DUST Search - How many people here have played less than 5 games in pc?

BrotherofHavok wrote:

I've played maybe 4 or 5 PC matches total. Only in ONE match did I at all think this was a good game/game-mode and that was probably due to the fact that my entire team lacked the massive lag that we usually get. Did we win? No, I have never won a single match of PC. The reason? Outside of the one decent match against just better PC players, every match has been rife with lag.

Teamwork? Kind of hard to do when you when you "BrotherofHavok died()" while walking to a point. Tanks fall through the ground, LAVs explode before you even hit the accelerator, dropships have exploded mid-air so suddenly and powerfully that I have become a witness to the mystical god of Dust that is the Cube! It's rubix Cube glory is unlike any other.

Of course, this topic discussion isn't even the point of this is it? If CCP fixed every lag issue, fixed every suit and weapon so there were no such thing as FOTM would I choose to go back to PC? No.

The passive isk farming is a deterrent. It's exactly like Eve's SP gain where it encourages players not to play on a regular basis until enough SP (dust case is isk for PC districts) has been accumulated to perform the way you want.
Competitive? No more so then Pub matches or Faction Warfare.
Best of Corp versus Best of Corp? Why should my corp (extension through me from taxes) spend so much isk to get a couple of battles a month to do this? why not just q-sync on the Oceana servers? Why not just go to Faction Warfare? Send advance notice to another corp... a "declaration of war" if you would.
Competition is almost purely wallet wise. How much isk can one side afford to lose on this match? Generally current PC district holders or players who have no life have the bigger stick to beat me down with.
Winner takes all. You know what? It's just not worth it. PC is the greatest chance to lose isk with the lowest chance of making it back (unless of course you take the district and no one ever attacks you).

Conclusion? Even if PC is "fixed" I probably won't go back to it. Ever.


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General John Ripper 20070	Posted - 2014.04.16 04:22:00 - [1] - Quote I have never seen anyone do an actual role call for this kind of thing before. What I want to do is gain some insight as to how much of this player base is missing out on dust's competitive side. Please say if you are an active pc player or have played more than 5 games of pc or if you have never played a game. Everytime I get a like, another bug is fixed. Everytime I get a like, Two more bugs are born.
General John Ripper 20071	Posted - 2014.04.16 05:07:00 - [2] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: This makes me sad for this game. So many of you are missing out on the most competitive side of dust. Yes there are a lot of problems with PC at the moment, but if you ask anyone who has played with a full 16 of friends/corpmates and had to work together to win a match their is no better dust experience. Squads working together are fun but a whole group of 16 calling out locations renfrcing each other at the different points, coordinating tank movements with drop ship pilots while attainting high ground. Keeping a close eye on the MCC ticks watching the clone count dwindle into unsafe numbers for a battle to be decided by one tick on the MCC by either side, not knowing who won until that victory screen comes up! If any of you have not made a serious effort to get involved in these competitive battles you are really missing out on a great side of dust. As soon as the blue donut comes to an end I'm pretty sure their will be places were equal corps can battler against each other. Spend this time building your core team and make some alliances with other corps you find along the way. Your time is coming +1 agreed. Everytime I get a like, another bug is fixed. Everytime I get a like, Two more bugs are born.
General John Ripper 20082	Posted - 2014.04.16 19:19:00 - [3] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: I suppose this thread is supposed to justify people who don't participate in PC not having a say in balance issues correct? Because I don't have time/just don't give a **** about PC doesn't mean I am not a logical thinking human being that can't grasp basic concepts of balancing different aspects of a game. That is not the original intention of this thread. I am not trying to point out or call anyone a nonfactor in this thread.This thread is supposed to answer several questions. How many have never fought a match but are interested? How many have fought a couple of pc matches but are not currently because of big blue donut? I am glad I asked the active pc players to also answer because +1 howdidthattaste and +1 Tiberius. There are some peope who won't touch pc with a 10 foot stick but don't understand the fun and unprecedented level of cooperation that is involved. It is the only thing that has kept many vets interested in this game. I was also hoping ccp would read this thread and get some opinions of people who want to be in pc but have never tried it. Everytime I get a like, another bug is fixed. Everytime I get a like, Two more bugs are born.
General John Ripper 20084	Posted - 2014.04.16 20:04:00 - [4] - Quote howard sanchez wrote: Both of you have been around dust long enough to appreciate the frustrations most of the p,ayerbase has with the broken parts of the game. What comes through in your posts is the sense of hope and accomplishment involved in a good competition between two hard charging teams. I have played in 100's of pc's. Yes, the game is broken, pc is broken, every update creates a new fotm. However that is not why I play pc. I play mostly for the teamwork involved. Gathering up 16 friends that you know quite well. Knowing that no one on your team is a blueberry. Making a plan and working together is what makes this a teamwork based fps. Many pc players have put up with bad game mechanics and tried to make something good out of a bad situation. howard sanchez wrote: I just don't think that PC delivers on that competitive potential. Do you? I believe that PC, as currently implemented, keeps players away, prevents participation and is wracked by broken mechanics and poorly implemented processes. There is some competitive potential but it can be greatly improved upon. With every update, I see changes with how pc is played and I see players following the motto, adapt or die. Which is just players taking advantage of bad gameplay mechanics. How fair was the melee glitch? Or a forge gunner on top of the tower on the mushroom map that can guard several objectives making them nearly impossible to hack? Clone pack pricing that allows a person to lock a district and farm isk? I remember back when flaylocks were big that we setup pc matches banned flaylocks and cores from both sides to keep things more competitive and fun. Just because your enemy abuses a tactic, doesn't mean that your enemy also likes to use it in battle. They are just doing whatever it takes to win, it is ccp's fault in the first place for allowing these bad gameplay mechanics to exist. There are many vets who want to see pc changed and become more fair. Like me, I love pc, but I only want to see it grow and improve. I agree with what you say about pc. It does keep players away and prevent participation. Just look at some of the responses of this thread. But there is still also demand for a working pc experience. CCP needs to completely revamp pc. howard sanchez wrote: So, John, did this thread answer your question in the op? What are your interpretations of the collective responses. How do you two think things should change, if at all, to get more players involved in PC? My questions have been answered and is still being answered as new responses are still coming in. To those that have never played pc... I feel sorry for you guys. Your missing out on what I consider is the most fun I have on this game. I hope ccp doesn't forget about you guys in pc 2.0/ To those who wouldn't touch pc with a 10 foot stick. Yes the game is broken, but I am sorry you haven't been able to find the fun and cooperation that has kept me here for so long. This game can be frustratingly unfair and I can understand that. I am glad people have been good with posting detailed answers as to why they are not in pc or why they wouldn't try pc. It is my hopes that ccp might read this thread and come to understand their player base a little bit better. As far as what changes I feel needs to be made... Well that is a touchy subject. Everyone has their own opinions on how pc should be changed. 1. I personally want to see a sister game mode to pc that allows corps to challenge other corps to 16 vs 16 full team games but without the nonsense of district owning or rewards. Just call it a practice mode. This practice mode is what planet fight club has been trying to achieve since it began. Planet fight club can never successfully exist if it is player owned and controlled but it was created anyways because the demand is there. This is probably #1 on my list. 2. stop passive isk generation. I understand most people want some kind of passive bonus for owning a district but the passive isk generation is turning the game into farmville. I want the salvage system to be updated to take control of more of the rewards and the market place to be implemented to get rid of the salvage we cant use. Don't make it profitable to lock districts. Clone packs should be at 150 clones... never change that. Perhaps a passive "dropsuit material" bonus that you can use to create your own proto suits to give to your own corp members? We need to stop this isk generation. The economy will be beyond recovery if those few in control continue making billions like this. Check out kain speros thread. There are other good theories there on how pc should be changed and is probably the best thread to discuss that. I enjoyed thor's ideas on the subject as well. Everytime I get a like, another bug is fixed. Everytime I get a like, Two more bugs are born.
General John Ripper 20086	Posted - 2014.04.16 20:35:00 - [5] - Quote Moorian Flav wrote: Kind of bad timing to ask now, isn't it? lol probably that is why I also included 5 played matches to try and include previously active participants. Everytime I get a like, another bug is fixed. Everytime I get a like, Two more bugs are born.
General John Ripper 20100	Posted - 2014.04.16 22:05:00 - [6] - Quote BrotherofHavok wrote: I've played maybe 4 or 5 PC matches total. Only in ONE match did I at all think this was a good game/game-mode and that was probably due to the fact that my entire team lacked the massive lag that we usually get. Did we win? No, I have never won a single match of PC. The reason? Outside of the one decent match against just better PC players, every match has been rife with lag. Teamwork? Kind of hard to do when you when you "BrotherofHavok died()" while walking to a point. Tanks fall through the ground, LAVs explode before you even hit the accelerator, dropships have exploded mid-air so suddenly and powerfully that I have become a witness to the mystical god of Dust that is the Cube! It's rubix Cube glory is unlike any other. Of course, this topic discussion isn't even the point of this is it? If CCP fixed every lag issue, fixed every suit and weapon so there were no such thing as FOTM would I choose to go back to PC? No. The passive isk farming is a deterrent. It's exactly like Eve's SP gain where it encourages players not to play on a regular basis until enough SP (dust case is isk for PC districts) has been accumulated to perform the way you want. Competitive? No more so then Pub matches or Faction Warfare. Best of Corp versus Best of Corp? Why should my corp (extension through me from taxes) spend so much isk to get a couple of battles a month to do this? why not just q-sync on the Oceana servers? Why not just go to Faction Warfare? Send advance notice to another corp... a "declaration of war" if you would. Competition is almost purely wallet wise. How much isk can one side afford to lose on this match? Generally current PC district holders or players who have no life have the bigger stick to beat me down with. Winner takes all. You know what? It's just not worth it. PC is the greatest chance to lose isk with the lowest chance of making it back (unless of course you take the district and no one ever attacks you). Conclusion? Even if PC is "fixed" I probably won't go back to it. Ever. Thanks for your detailed answer. This is the kind of answer I was looking for. I wanted to see how mercs outside of pc feel about it. I am sorry you had a bad experience. What I try to do is close many of my channels before a pc battle to reduce the lag. Everytime I get a like, another bug is fixed. Everytime I get a like, Two more bugs are born.
General John Ripper 20135	Posted - 2014.04.17 20:12:00 - [7] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: General John Ripper wrote: I have never seen anyone do an actual role call for this kind of thing before. What I want to do is gain some insight as to how much of this player base is missing out on dust's competitive side. Please say if you are an active pc player or have played more than 5 games of pc or if you have never played a game. I have never played a game get good nav. Everytime I get a like, another bug is fixed. Everytime I get a like, Two more bugs are born.