DUST Search - How many people here have played less than 5 games in pc?

BrotherofHavok wrote:

I've played maybe 4 or 5 PC matches total. Only in ONE match did I at all think this was a good game/game-mode and that was probably due to the fact that my entire team lacked the massive lag that we usually get. Did we win? No, I have never won a single match of PC. The reason? Outside of the one decent match against just better PC players, every match has been rife with lag.

Teamwork? Kind of hard to do when you when you "BrotherofHavok died()" while walking to a point. Tanks fall through the ground, LAVs explode before you even hit the accelerator, dropships have exploded mid-air so suddenly and powerfully that I have become a witness to the mystical god of Dust that is the Cube! It's rubix Cube glory is unlike any other.

Of course, this topic discussion isn't even the point of this is it? If CCP fixed every lag issue, fixed every suit and weapon so there were no such thing as FOTM would I choose to go back to PC? No.

The passive isk farming is a deterrent. It's exactly like Eve's SP gain where it encourages players not to play on a regular basis until enough SP (dust case is isk for PC districts) has been accumulated to perform the way you want.
Competitive? No more so then Pub matches or Faction Warfare.
Best of Corp versus Best of Corp? Why should my corp (extension through me from taxes) spend so much isk to get a couple of battles a month to do this? why not just q-sync on the Oceana servers? Why not just go to Faction Warfare? Send advance notice to another corp... a "declaration of war" if you would.
Competition is almost purely wallet wise. How much isk can one side afford to lose on this match? Generally current PC district holders or players who have no life have the bigger stick to beat me down with.
Winner takes all. You know what? It's just not worth it. PC is the greatest chance to lose isk with the lowest chance of making it back (unless of course you take the district and no one ever attacks you).

Conclusion? Even if PC is "fixed" I probably won't go back to it. Ever.

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lee corwood Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 737	Posted - 2014.04.16 18:26:00 - [91] - Quote A few, I don't think I've hit 5 yet but more than 3. I don't really have much appeal to get deeply invested right now until it actually means something for the game. Right now they have the donut. How is that affecting me or eve pilots in any way? It doesn't. Until it does, I don't think the population as a whole is going to care enough to want to be with the same small pool of people playing over and over again. Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Ping for video services.
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 1873	Posted - 2014.04.16 18:27:00 - [92] - Quote 5/6 not more and 1 corp battle back in chromo :D The unnamed new build it's so secret that nobody know what will be in it, even after patch notes.. \o/ summon me
HOWDIDHEKILLME Dying to Reload 18	Posted - 2014.04.16 18:28:00 - [93] - Quote Not even once. Lonewolf till I die
Thanjac PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 153	Posted - 2014.04.16 18:29:00 - [94] - Quote been in two(invited) crappy pc's. Minnando Lord, FEAR MY MD & CR "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends."
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 928	Posted - 2014.04.16 19:03:00 - [95] - Quote I suppose this thread is supposed to justify people who don't participate in PC not having a say in balance issues correct? Because I don't have time/just don't give a **** about PC doesn't mean I am not a logical thinking human being that can't grasp basic concepts of balancing different aspects of a game. Your game f'ing sucks, but I'll still play it.... damn you! Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12803	Posted - 2014.04.16 19:04:00 - [96] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: I suppose this thread is supposed to justify people who don't participate in PC not having a say in balance issues correct? Because I don't have time/just don't give a **** about PC doesn't mean I am not a logical thinking human being that can't grasp basic concepts of balancing different aspects of a game. Being elitist in DUST is like being the smartest special Olympian: at best, it's an adorable side show for the spectators. My DUST 514 Music Videos Solo Incubus pilot, superb expert of wallet depletion
General John Ripper 20082	Posted - 2014.04.16 19:19:00 - [97] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: I suppose this thread is supposed to justify people who don't participate in PC not having a say in balance issues correct? Because I don't have time/just don't give a **** about PC doesn't mean I am not a logical thinking human being that can't grasp basic concepts of balancing different aspects of a game. That is not the original intention of this thread. I am not trying to point out or call anyone a nonfactor in this thread.This thread is supposed to answer several questions. How many have never fought a match but are interested? How many have fought a couple of pc matches but are not currently because of big blue donut? I am glad I asked the active pc players to also answer because +1 howdidthattaste and +1 Tiberius. There are some peope who won't touch pc with a 10 foot stick but don't understand the fun and unprecedented level of cooperation that is involved. It is the only thing that has kept many vets interested in this game. I was also hoping ccp would read this thread and get some opinions of people who want to be in pc but have never tried it. Everytime I get a like, another bug is fixed. Everytime I get a like, Two more bugs are born.
General John Ripper 20084	Posted - 2014.04.16 20:04:00 - [98] - Quote howard sanchez wrote: Both of you have been around dust long enough to appreciate the frustrations most of the p,ayerbase has with the broken parts of the game. What comes through in your posts is the sense of hope and accomplishment involved in a good competition between two hard charging teams. I have played in 100's of pc's. Yes, the game is broken, pc is broken, every update creates a new fotm. However that is not why I play pc. I play mostly for the teamwork involved. Gathering up 16 friends that you know quite well. Knowing that no one on your team is a blueberry. Making a plan and working together is what makes this a teamwork based fps. Many pc players have put up with bad game mechanics and tried to make something good out of a bad situation. howard sanchez wrote: I just don't think that PC delivers on that competitive potential. Do you? I believe that PC, as currently implemented, keeps players away, prevents participation and is wracked by broken mechanics and poorly implemented processes. There is some competitive potential but it can be greatly improved upon. With every update, I see changes with how pc is played and I see players following the motto, adapt or die. Which is just players taking advantage of bad gameplay mechanics. How fair was the melee glitch? Or a forge gunner on top of the tower on the mushroom map that can guard several objectives making them nearly impossible to hack? Clone pack pricing that allows a person to lock a district and farm isk? I remember back when flaylocks were big that we setup pc matches banned flaylocks and cores from both sides to keep things more competitive and fun. Just because your enemy abuses a tactic, doesn't mean that your enemy also likes to use it in battle. They are just doing whatever it takes to win, it is ccp's fault in the first place for allowing these bad gameplay mechanics to exist. There are many vets who want to see pc changed and become more fair. Like me, I love pc, but I only want to see it grow and improve. I agree with what you say about pc. It does keep players away and prevent participation. Just look at some of the responses of this thread. But there is still also demand for a working pc experience. CCP needs to completely revamp pc. howard sanchez wrote: So, John, did this thread answer your question in the op? What are your interpretations of the collective responses. How do you two think things should change, if at all, to get more players involved in PC? My questions have been answered and is still being answered as new responses are still coming in. To those that have never played pc... I feel sorry for you guys. Your missing out on what I consider is the most fun I have on this game. I hope ccp doesn't forget about you guys in pc 2.0/ To those who wouldn't touch pc with a 10 foot stick. Yes the game is broken, but I am sorry you haven't been able to find the fun and cooperation that has kept me here for so long. This game can be frustratingly unfair and I can understand that. I am glad people have been good with posting detailed answers as to why they are not in pc or why they wouldn't try pc. It is my hopes that ccp might read this thread and come to understand their player base a little bit better. As far as what changes I feel needs to be made... Well that is a touchy subject. Everyone has their own opinions on how pc should be changed. 1. I personally want to see a sister game mode to pc that allows corps to challenge other corps to 16 vs 16 full team games but without the nonsense of district owning or rewards. Just call it a practice mode. This practice mode is what planet fight club has been trying to achieve since it began. Planet fight club can never successfully exist if it is player owned and controlled but it was created anyways because the demand is there. This is probably #1 on my list. 2. stop passive isk generation. I understand most people want some kind of passive bonus for owning a district but the passive isk generation is turning the game into farmville. I want the salvage system to be updated to take control of more of the rewards and the market place to be implemented to get rid of the salvage we cant use. Don't make it profitable to lock districts. Clone packs should be at 150 clones... never change that. Perhaps a passive "dropsuit material" bonus that you can use to create your own proto suits to give to your own corp members? We need to stop this isk generation. The economy will be beyond recovery if those few in control continue making billions like this. Check out kain speros thread. There are other good theories there on how pc should be changed and is probably the best thread to discuss that. I enjoyed thor's ideas on the subject as well. Everytime I get a like, another bug is fixed. Everytime I get a like, Two more bugs are born.
Moorian Flav 182	Posted - 2014.04.16 20:21:00 - [99] - Quote Kind of bad timing to ask now, isn't it? I don't troll; I tell the truth.
General John Ripper 20086	Posted - 2014.04.16 20:35:00 - [100] - Quote Moorian Flav wrote: Kind of bad timing to ask now, isn't it? lol probably that is why I also included 5 played matches to try and include previously active participants. Everytime I get a like, another bug is fixed. Everytime I get a like, Two more bugs are born.

Stile451 Red Star. EoN. 328	Posted - 2014.04.16 20:36:00 - [101] - Quote I'd say it's a pretty good time to ask. To answer the question, I've played in quite a few matches(I would think around if not over 100). The competition is quite enjoyable. I would still play PC if I could but with no corp districts and timer issues(no timers when I can play for the time being) means that I can't right now.
XANDER KAG WE ARE THE GHOSTS 640	Posted - 2014.04.16 20:38:00 - [102] - Quote I tried 3 times to get into one while I was in R* Unforunately my first attempt I lagged out 6 times before the warbarge time even expired, and just gave up. (I did get 500k or so ISK for a "battle win" though.) The second time I actually got to see the map before I completely crashed and had to wait 30 minutes because my PS "turned off improperly." The third time was the same as the fist but I only reconnected 3 times before giving up. All in all I'd say I'm done even trying unless it becomes much easier for weaker connections to connect.
Anarchide Greedy Bastards 1996	Posted - 2014.04.16 20:38:00 - [103] - Quote I've played less than 5 games in PC. My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Cat Merc, Long Evity, DeadlyAztec11 and Sinboto Simmons.
ishtellian SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 46	Posted - 2014.04.16 20:44:00 - [104] - Quote Never done PC before. My Heavy Never Dies. Logibro In training.
IR Scifi Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 145	Posted - 2014.04.16 21:11:00 - [105] - Quote I've done probably three. First one was a slideshow lagfest, second was during the melee glitch / core godlock days, and the third was such a disorganized mess that my corp actually left the alliance we were in over it. Most of my corp would like to get back in to pc again someday but the upfront costs and constantly having to defend it after just doesn't seem worth our time at the moment.
BrotherofHavok PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 45	Posted - 2014.04.16 21:54:00 - [106] - Quote I've played maybe 4 or 5 PC matches total. Only in ONE match did I at all think this was a good game/game-mode and that was probably due to the fact that my entire team lacked the massive lag that we usually get. Did we win? No, I have never won a single match of PC. The reason? Outside of the one decent match against just better PC players, every match has been rife with lag. Teamwork? Kind of hard to do when you when you "BrotherofHavok died()" while walking to a point. Tanks fall through the ground, LAVs explode before you even hit the accelerator, dropships have exploded mid-air so suddenly and powerfully that I have become a witness to the mystical god of Dust that is the Cube! It's rubix Cube glory is unlike any other. Of course, this topic discussion isn't even the point of this is it? If CCP fixed every lag issue, fixed every suit and weapon so there were no such thing as FOTM would I choose to go back to PC? No. The passive isk farming is a deterrent. It's exactly like Eve's SP gain where it encourages players not to play on a regular basis until enough SP (dust case is isk for PC districts) has been accumulated to perform the way you want. Competitive? No more so then Pub matches or Faction Warfare. Best of Corp versus Best of Corp? Why should my corp (extension through me from taxes) spend so much isk to get a couple of battles a month to do this? why not just q-sync on the Oceana servers? Why not just go to Faction Warfare? Send advance notice to another corp... a "declaration of war" if you would. Competition is almost purely wallet wise. How much isk can one side afford to lose on this match? Generally current PC district holders or players who have no life have the bigger stick to beat me down with. Winner takes all. You know what? It's just not worth it. PC is the greatest chance to lose isk with the lowest chance of making it back (unless of course you take the district and no one ever attacks you). Conclusion? Even if PC is "fixed" I probably won't go back to it. Ever. Sincerely, Your Multi-purpose Everything User
PLAYSTTION Universal Allies Inc. 91	Posted - 2014.04.16 21:57:00 - [107] - Quote played 1 PC, then the corp collapsed -Open Beta Vet 20 mil sp- Laser+Flaylock Dust 514 recruitment link here.
Bormir1r Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 294	Posted - 2014.04.16 21:58:00 - [108] - Quote Im an active player and have played more than 5 PC matches. "One does not simply" look for a scout, it looks for you.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 6791	Posted - 2014.04.16 21:59:00 - [109] - Quote I've played a total of 8 PC matches. If people would attack DNS, I'd be in even more. #LivingLikeLarry [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
General John Ripper 20100	Posted - 2014.04.16 22:05:00 - [110] - Quote BrotherofHavok wrote: I've played maybe 4 or 5 PC matches total. Only in ONE match did I at all think this was a good game/game-mode and that was probably due to the fact that my entire team lacked the massive lag that we usually get. Did we win? No, I have never won a single match of PC. The reason? Outside of the one decent match against just better PC players, every match has been rife with lag. Teamwork? Kind of hard to do when you when you "BrotherofHavok died()" while walking to a point. Tanks fall through the ground, LAVs explode before you even hit the accelerator, dropships have exploded mid-air so suddenly and powerfully that I have become a witness to the mystical god of Dust that is the Cube! It's rubix Cube glory is unlike any other. Of course, this topic discussion isn't even the point of this is it? If CCP fixed every lag issue, fixed every suit and weapon so there were no such thing as FOTM would I choose to go back to PC? No. The passive isk farming is a deterrent. It's exactly like Eve's SP gain where it encourages players not to play on a regular basis until enough SP (dust case is isk for PC districts) has been accumulated to perform the way you want. Competitive? No more so then Pub matches or Faction Warfare. Best of Corp versus Best of Corp? Why should my corp (extension through me from taxes) spend so much isk to get a couple of battles a month to do this? why not just q-sync on the Oceana servers? Why not just go to Faction Warfare? Send advance notice to another corp... a "declaration of war" if you would. Competition is almost purely wallet wise. How much isk can one side afford to lose on this match? Generally current PC district holders or players who have no life have the bigger stick to beat me down with. Winner takes all. You know what? It's just not worth it. PC is the greatest chance to lose isk with the lowest chance of making it back (unless of course you take the district and no one ever attacks you). Conclusion? Even if PC is "fixed" I probably won't go back to it. Ever. Thanks for your detailed answer. This is the kind of answer I was looking for. I wanted to see how mercs outside of pc feel about it. I am sorry you had a bad experience. What I try to do is close many of my channels before a pc battle to reduce the lag. Everytime I get a like, another bug is fixed. Everytime I get a like, Two more bugs are born.

KING CHECKMATE Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 5090	Posted - 2014.04.16 22:07:00 - [111] - Quote General John Ripper wrote: I have never seen anyone do an actual role call for this kind of thing before. What I want to do is gain some insight as to how much of this player base is missing out on dust's competitive side. Please say if you are an active pc player or have played more than 5 games of pc or if you have never played a game. I've done less than 5 PC's. 3 or 4. But never 5. altough i think my new corp is planning to use me extensivley in PC..... : \| Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 1799	Posted - 2014.04.16 22:08:00 - [112] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: I've played many many more than 5 but I stopped because losing protos over and over to a completely unplayably laggy mode made me stop playing it. Otherwise is great, you get a real good feeling after winning, but the ******* lag makes it completely unenjoyable for everyone. Most of nyain still does it though, the japanese are masochists I guess. Lag for the most part is gone... Its no more laggy then a FW battle.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2312	Posted - 2014.04.16 22:09:00 - [113] - Quote 0 Got offered to do a few, but they wouldn't pay me for my efforts. I don't work for free lol
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 6793	Posted - 2014.04.16 22:09:00 - [114] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: General John Ripper wrote: I have never seen anyone do an actual role call for this kind of thing before. What I want to do is gain some insight as to how much of this player base is missing out on dust's competitive side. Please say if you are an active pc player or have played more than 5 games of pc or if you have never played a game. I've done less than 5 PC's. 3 or 4. But never 5. although i think my new corp is planning to use me extensively in PC..... : \| We're going to be corp buddies tomorrow. #LivingLikeLarry [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
KING CHECKMATE Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 5091	Posted - 2014.04.16 22:12:00 - [115] - Quote Atiim wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: General John Ripper wrote: I have never seen anyone do an actual role call for this kind of thing before. What I want to do is gain some insight as to how much of this player base is missing out on dust's competitive side. Please say if you are an active pc player or have played more than 5 games of pc or if you have never played a game. I've done less than 5 PC's. 3 or 4. But never 5. although i think my new corp is planning to use me extensively in PC..... : \| We're going to be corp buddies tomorrow. So it seems. O.o Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread
Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns Dark Taboo 195	Posted - 2014.04.16 22:14:00 - [116] - Quote 0 My CEO is wanting me to hurry up and get PC-ready but it will be quite awhile before I consider myself PC-ready. Proud Federal Marine & Republic Commando / Do you even lift?
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 1111	Posted - 2014.04.16 22:20:00 - [117] - Quote Been playing dust since February, and have 0 PC games played, for a few reasons. 1) Not sure about joining a corp. Corps seem to change faster than FOTM fits. They may tax my pub matches (and for those relatively new to the game, they are losing money to begin with, and then they are taxed). Some corps get robbed, its just crazy. Plus, how would anyone get the context of my name if I applied to another corp? I can't go back to being double entendre man, I just can't. 2) The level of competition is nuts. I would say I am a better than average player, but there are still a ton of players much better than I, so much so, that it sounds like no fun whatsoever playing against them in a PC match, when they take that stuff serious. Its bad enough trying to find fun pub matches. 3) Given no 1, I see no incentive, being a solo player, to play pc. What benefit would I have to helping someone win? Maybe there are some, but they are certainly not clear. Looking for the scout hangout?
Rusty Shallows 1527	Posted - 2014.04.16 22:21:00 - [118] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: Nearly played a match as a ringer once but got kicked before it started because I hadn't played one before. Sounds like he did you a favor. If your CO has that kind of mindset then you're better off playing elsewhere. I've been in a couple. Not really impressed but that may be my fault for not socially networking better and finding the right Corp. Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>
Scheherazade VII 410	Posted - 2014.04.16 22:32:00 - [119] - Quote I played one, got beat around a bit by OH camping on roofs, then I couldn't spawn, there was no option to do so. From there I turned the PS3 off and turned a blind eye to PC completely. Through all the 1FPS PC videos to district locking to only playing the same team and never playing the corp who actually hold the district It's MAG special olympics all over again x10!
Erobthedude 0uter.Heaven Academy 76	Posted - 2014.04.16 23:18:00 - [120] - Quote I took part in a Corp Battle once, but never PC. The Corp Battle was epic. "Dear Lord, without you we are butt dust."



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