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DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5012	Posted - 2014.04.11 20:52:00 - [1] - Quote I actually want to know, because wearing a cloak in this game gives you about as much invisibility as wearing black clothes and laying in the middle of the street. If you think that's OP then you should rethink your Dust career, or get your eyes checked. Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat a¦Ñ_a¦Ñ
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 1041	Posted - 2014.04.11 21:02:00 - [2] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: I actually want to know, because wearing a cloak in this game gives you about as much invisibility as wearing black clothes and laying in the middle of the street. If you think that's OP then you should rethink your Dust career, or get your eyes checked. I die all the time while cloaked and standing still so as not to attract attention. Obviously some people in this game get it. Looking for the scout hangout?
DJINN Nukem Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 569	Posted - 2014.04.11 21:04:00 - [3] - Quote I agree man, after the first wave of cloak spam when it first came out, I learned to see them, kind of trained my eye ya know, yes I still loose track of them or get fooled by them, but most of the time I don't have problem with them Trample The Weak Hurdle the Dead
Travis Stanush GunFall Mobilization 93	Posted - 2014.04.11 21:07:00 - [4] - Quote Most of the time it's because you can't see them on your tacnet or you engaged in a firefight.
Sir Dukey KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 612	Posted - 2014.04.11 21:08:00 - [5] - Quote cloak makes it impossible to scan the person with your peripheral vision.
Forever ETC 703rd Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 232	Posted - 2014.04.11 21:11:00 - [6] - Quote They're easy to see but hard to call out for your teammates. It's like asking your kid if they can see the ladybug flying around a batch of raspberries. The best thing you can do is shoot at them so they panic. The ones I hate the most are the ones who sit near installations or Uplinks waiting for someone to hack/destroy it. Well, time to go Commando. Fill the Ranks at 703rd. Love,Hate, and everything in between.- ETC 2013 THIS IS AMARR!!!
Doctor Day THE SUPERHEROS 52	Posted - 2014.04.11 21:14:00 - [7] - Quote Assault rifle,plc,shotgun,massdriver cloaked scouts are annoying cloak made scouts to powafull Obvious troll is Obvious
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5019	Posted - 2014.04.11 21:21:00 - [8] - Quote Doctor Day wrote: Assault rifle,plc,shotgun,massdriver cloaked scouts are annoying cloak made scouts to powafull Shotgun cloaked scout isn't really anymore annoying than a shotgun scout without a cloak. The AR can't insta kill you. Also, Plasma Cannons and Mass Drivers leave a very noticeable trail back to the aggressor. The Cloak is just not good enough to be OP. Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat a¦Ñ_a¦Ñ
Rifter7 Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 389	Posted - 2014.04.11 21:22:00 - [9] - Quote vs good players i find they're good for either waiting in a strange spot, flanking them or for escaping when ** hits the fan. if they're looking your direction they'll almost always see you if you're moving, and you've got like a 25% chance that they'll miss you that first time if you're peaking out behind a corner. they're not that good tbh.. it just helps scouts sneak up on people and tanks in sahara desert 514 and hide behind a crate or some random ** when they run away in a city.\ vs everyone else... how can someone complain about scouts when they can't even see tanks?
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 389	Posted - 2014.04.11 21:24:00 - [10] - Quote they sprint to much they need to check the brightness on the tv set they dont use their crosshairs to check corners before hacking they dont have the ability to adapt Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make

Erobthedude 0uter.Heaven Academy 45	Posted - 2014.04.11 21:25:00 - [11] - Quote Sees shimmer 50m out, lines up LR sight, takes out his shields, loses track of cloaked scout...nervously runs away in the opposite direction in hysterical fear "Dear Lord, without you we are butt dust."
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2237	Posted - 2014.04.11 21:26:00 - [12] - Quote I cloaked, crouched, and stood still in the middle of a hallway and 2 guys ran past me lol
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 631	Posted - 2014.04.11 21:27:00 - [13] - Quote Forever ETC wrote: They're easy to see but hard to call out for your teammates. It's like asking your kid if they can see the ladybug flying around a batch of raspberries. The best thing you can do is shoot at them so they panic. The ones I hate the most are the ones who sit near installations or Uplinks waiting for someone to hack/destroy it. True, but that pretty much describes spawn camping. I equally hate it when you spawn in and there are 1 or heavies waiting. I usually die to cloaked players who have managed to flank or get behind me. The cloak is fairly easy to see but useful when used in conjunction with cover. A number of times scouts have managed to evade by using cover or jumping of the bridge etc.
Dimmu Borgir II The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 318	Posted - 2014.04.11 21:40:00 - [14] - Quote I simply can't see them, my eyes are very good and I've never needed glasses. I was running after a buddy today (we q'synced a public match and our squads were on opposite sides) and he ran around the corner, cloaked and then (unbeknownst to me) ran back out of cover and up the hill to the left of me, I didn't see him and ran behind the cover shooting like a mad man at every single damn pixel I could see on my screen, then he just shottified me in the back of the neck severing my spinal chord and rendering me terminated He told me i maybe need to turn up the brightness on my TV but I think i'm just really bad at picking them out when there's a lot of movement on-screen. Blue is good, red is bad, orange you glad you're not red?
Dimmu Borgir II The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 318	Posted - 2014.04.11 21:42:00 - [15] - Quote Erobthedude wrote: Sees shimmer 50m out, lines up LR sight, takes out his shields, loses track of cloaked scout...nervously runs away in the opposite direction in hysterical fear Hahhahaha too funny! This is where the commando and the MD comes in handy... I paranoically shoot the hell out of everything with my MD in this situation and it's awesome when it pays off and a recently invisible ragdoll scout comes flying out of the explosion... Blue is good, red is bad, orange you glad you're not red?
yep derrith again Shining Flame Amarr Empire 23	Posted - 2014.04.11 21:45:00 - [16] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: I actually want to know, because wearing a cloak in this game gives you about as much invisibility as wearing black clothes and laying in the middle of the street. If you think that's OP then you should rethink your Dust career, or get your eyes checked. I die all the time while cloaked and standing still so as not to attract attention. Obviously some people in this game get it. Plus 1 for the corp name, that was quality.
Black SlaverX Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 139	Posted - 2014.04.11 21:47:00 - [17] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: I actually want to know, because wearing a cloak in this game gives you about as much invisibility as wearing black clothes and laying in the middle of the street. If you think that's OP then you should rethink your Dust career, or get your eyes checked. Ok liar. Sure. Watch your back because I might be there.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1305	Posted - 2014.04.11 21:49:00 - [18] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: I actually want to know, because wearing a cloak in this game gives you about as much invisibility as wearing black clothes and laying in the middle of the street. If you think that's OP then you should rethink your Dust career, or get your eyes checked. You see, with age a human beings eyes get worse. The lens of the eye gets thicker making it less flexible and thus not able to focus clearly, especially with close up objects. Additionally we lose photoreceptors within the macula lutea (responsible for high acuity vision) over time. In other words, my old blind ass can't see cloaked scouts . I may try the brightness setting though and see if it helps but my vision is pretty crappy so I'll always be screwed, that doesn't explain for the rest of the player base though. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 894	Posted - 2014.04.11 21:49:00 - [19] - Quote If I am engaged in a fight there is a good chance I am not going to see the shimmer as they flank me. If I am on the move and on the look out odds are I'll see them. 1.8 because nothing says fun like getting shotgunned in the back. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
RINON114 B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance 586	Posted - 2014.04.11 21:56:00 - [20] - Quote Another responsibility for not being able to see scouts is the framerate issues. Sometimes just scanning the horizon gives me a headache so a lot of the time I don't bother. The other one is that they are behind you, and you can't possibly have seen them and given that they dampen an already hard to detect suit, that compounds the issue.

Christiphoros von Poe Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 317	Posted - 2014.04.11 22:00:00 - [21] - Quote There is always one mood that it is really difficult for me to see cloaked scouts. It's the desert mood in the midday. I have tried adjusting brightness, but I still have a very hard time seeing cloaks in that light. It's just my TV I guess. I literally cannot even see a shimmer of the cloak. I have no problem with cloaks still. (1) "Exile" Assault Rifle reserved for: Fire of Prometheus Uprising->Replication->E3->Codex->Chromosome->Uprising->???
Onesimus Tarsus 703rd Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 1888	Posted - 2014.04.11 22:06:00 - [22] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: I actually want to know, because wearing a cloak in this game gives you about as much invisibility as wearing black clothes and laying in the middle of the street. If you think that's OP then you should rethink your Dust career, or get your eyes checked. So... Cloaks aren't really that good, since anyone looking at the screen with their eyes can see them. They should be removed from the game until we get them to where they do what is advertised. 1.8 (!) forum warrior. SMG wielder. Mama's boy. 703rd for life! (or at least, for now).
Onesimus Tarsus 703rd Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 1888	Posted - 2014.04.11 22:07:00 - [23] - Quote Joel II X wrote: I cloaked, crouched, and stood still in the middle of a hallway and 2 guys ran past me lol Well, they obviously saw you, but they really didn't feel like fighting right then. Because cloaks don't hide you. We've covered this. 1.8 (!) forum warrior. SMG wielder. Mama's boy. 703rd for life! (or at least, for now).
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 419	Posted - 2014.04.11 22:12:00 - [24] - Quote Because a lot of people are stupid and don't pay attention to detail. I've stood still in the middle of up to and been surrounded by half the other team in a domination match and no one noticed me, even though I was right out in the open lol. Anyone that uses it just to go sit in a corner somewhere and wait until a red comes by to hack is dumb. The main things I use it for crossing wide open areas and avoiding vehicles. It is always fun though to be running along while cloaked and see another cloaked scout around you on your screen. If the other guy sees you it becomes a thing of who can get in better position first and fire quicker. Always kind of a rush. Always the last person to leave. Always the one cleaning up people's messes.
Black SlaverX Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 140	Posted - 2014.04.11 22:17:00 - [25] - Quote LEHON Xeon wrote: Because a lot of people are stupid and don't pay attention to detail. I've stood still in the middle of up to and been surrounded by half the other team in a domination match and no one noticed me, even though I was right out in the open lol. Anyone that uses it just to go sit in a corner somewhere and wait until a red comes by to hack is dumb. The main things I use it for crossing wide open areas and avoiding vehicles. It is always fun though to be running along while cloaked and see another cloaked scout around you on your screen. If the other guy sees you it becomes a thing of who can get in better position first and fire quicker. Always kind of a rush. Why even fit one, everyone can see you anyway right? you are just wasting a slot. Watch your back because I might be there.
Onesimus Tarsus 703rd Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 1890	Posted - 2014.04.11 22:33:00 - [26] - Quote Black SlaverX wrote: LEHON Xeon wrote: Because a lot of people are stupid and don't pay attention to detail. I've stood still in the middle of up to and been surrounded by half the other team in a domination match and no one noticed me, even though I was right out in the open lol. Anyone that uses it just to go sit in a corner somewhere and wait until a red comes by to hack is dumb. The main things I use it for crossing wide open areas and avoiding vehicles. It is always fun though to be running along while cloaked and see another cloaked scout around you on your screen. If the other guy sees you it becomes a thing of who can get in better position first and fire quicker. Always kind of a rush. Why even fit one, everyone can see you anyway right? you are just wasting a slot. Cloak threads before cloaking: "Oh, my deity! We're going to be silent, INVISIBLE assassins that can strike with no warning whatsoever! Mwa HAHAHAHAAA! Cloak threads after cloaking: "Aw, heck, you know you can see me. Quit telling me you can't!" 1.8 (!) forum warrior. SMG wielder. Mama's boy. 703rd for life! (or at least, for now).
Kierkegaard Soren Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 272	Posted - 2014.04.11 22:36:00 - [27] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: I actually want to know, because wearing a cloak in this game gives you about as much invisibility as wearing black clothes and laying in the middle of the street. If you think that's OP then you should rethink your Dust career, or get your eyes checked. If I'm actively looking for scouts, and that is to say, if I'm not dealing with anyone/thing else at any given moment, then yes, cloaks are not a real issue, although I'd like to say that between the shimmer and the tiny size of a light frame it can be hard to keep a consistent aim on them. The real issue is when I'm doing something. Anything. Scouts are so damned fast they can cover an exceptional amount of distance to get to you, and if you ADS in a firefight right now it's a flip of the coin as to whether you'll get a shotgun to the back of the head or not. I'm used to it now, but it still irritates me. Feels exceptionally arbitrary. Dedicated Commando. "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." -Paul Atreides.
General John Ripper 19710	Posted - 2014.04.11 22:38:00 - [28] - Quote When I got on to play, I just kept seeing blurs everywhere. a blur = not invisible. My like count = Nominate Ripper 4 cpm petition Sign it to let CCP know we are serious.
I-Shayz-I I-----I 2910	Posted - 2014.04.11 22:42:00 - [29] - Quote Muzzle flash on minmatar weapons makes it hard to keep track of the player. Dimmed Light blue chevrons/tanks/CRUs behind the scout make it hard to concentrate on the exact color of the cloak, making it hard to see as well. Honestly I think the main problem is the sound. If someone stands right next to you and de-cloaks, the sound is barely audible compared to gunfire, RDVs, heck even the background game ambience. The sound on de-cloak was supposed to be a balancing factor so that if a player decloaks right behind you, you'll know about it. Finally, it's disorienting to play a FPS where the only way to move your head is to move your entire body. Unless you're standing still, looking in the same direction, or have your sensitivity set to max in order to reduce the amount of time you spend "turning", it's almost impossible for your eyes to spot the difference between motion blur and a cloak shimmer. And to top it off, if I do end up seeing a scout, and I do shoot at them as they're coming at me, and I do manage to fire at them for 10 seconds, they still don't die because they also have 500-600 ehp. Trying to stay on target while your muzzle flash gets in the way, or while there's a huge group of blue dots in the background, or while the person runs right past you disorienting you because of the limits of a 2D perspective FPS...makes it so that unless I'm focusing REALLY hard, I will probably end up dying by the scout 50% of the time. Use my eyes? Get my eyes checked? Keep situational awareness? It's all excuses for the cloak creating an unfair fight and you/me/every other scout knows it. The disadvantage of the shotgun is range. The cloak eliminates that issue, and the main balancing factors for the cloak (i.e. sound and not firing from de-cloak) are currently broken, causing all of the problems that people keep complaining about. It's a fair fight if you sneak up behind me, de-cloak, and I see a red-dot blip on the radar because of my precision for about a second before you're able to start firing on me. It's a fair fight if you de-cloak too close to me and the sound made by the cloak gives me the chance to run around and face you. It's a fair fight if you have to use dampeners and you de-cloak 10+ meters away from me in order to insta-kill me with a suit that has almost no hp at all. It's a fair fight if I watch my back all the time and am able to kill you within seconds because I spotted you. Links: 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! I make logistics videos!
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 1652	Posted - 2014.04.12 00:02:00 - [30] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: I actually want to know, because wearing a cloak in this game gives you about as much invisibility as wearing black clothes and laying in the middle of the street. If you think that's OP then you should rethink your Dust career, or get your eyes checked. I think that the real benefit come in when your opponent isn't directly facing you. If you are far away and they are focused on near-term action, or you are cloaked but in their periphery the eyes are just not drawn as easily to you as they would be if you weren't cloaked. Double posting like a Kaiser.

DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5037	Posted - 2014.04.12 04:41:00 - [31] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Muzzle flash on minmatar weapons makes it hard to keep track of the player. Dimmed Light blue chevrons/tanks/CRUs behind the scout make it hard to concentrate on the exact color of the cloak, making it hard to see as well. Honestly I think the main problem is the sound. If someone stands right next to you and de-cloaks, the sound is barely audible compared to gunfire, RDVs, heck even the background game ambience. The sound on de-cloak was supposed to be a balancing factor so that if a player decloaks right behind you, you'll know about it. Finally, it's disorienting to play a FPS where the only way to move your head is to move your entire body. Unless you're standing still, looking in the same direction, or have your sensitivity set to max in order to reduce the amount of time you spend "turning", it's almost impossible for your eyes to spot the difference between motion blur and a cloak shimmer. And to top it off, if I do end up seeing a scout, and I do shoot at them as they're coming at me, and I do manage to fire at them for 10 seconds, they still don't die because they also have 500-600 ehp. Trying to stay on target while your muzzle flash gets in the way, or while he jumps around like crazy, or while there's a huge group of blue dots in the background, or while the person runs right past you disorienting you because of the limits of a 2D perspective FPS...makes it so that unless I'm focusing REALLY hard, I will probably end up dying by the scout 50% of the time. Use my eyes? Get my eyes checked? Keep situational awareness? It's all excuses for the cloak creating an unfair fight and you/me/every other scout knows it. The disadvantage of the shotgun is range. The cloak eliminates that issue, and the main balancing factors for the cloak (i.e. sound and not firing from de-cloak) are currently broken, causing all of the problems that people keep complaining about. It's a fair fight if you sneak up behind me, de-cloak, and I see a red-dot blip on the radar because of my precision for about a second before you're able to start firing on me. It's a fair fight if you de-cloak too close to me and the sound made by the cloak gives me the chance to run around and face you. It's a fair fight if you have to use dampeners and you de-cloak 10+ meters away from me in order to insta-kill me with a suit that has almost no hp at all. It's a fair fight if I watch my back all the time and am able to kill you within seconds because I spotted you. I only use the CR, SMG and Flaylock. I use the Minmatar Assault. I have never not been able to see a cloaked scout that was in my vision, and if I did then they did not attack me. I highly doubt the Cloak is OP. I have only been killed by people using the Cloak twice, and they were both from the back and so it could be done without a cloak. The entire "fair fight" perception is invalid because of the way the game works: unfair tactics are the name of the game. If I attack a heavy who has an HMG from 300m away with a Sniper Rifle, then it could be considered an unfair fight by your reasoning, because they never have the chance to kill me. There are countless examples like that where unfair tactics are simply the tactics that are used by default. Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat a¦Ñ_a¦Ñ
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 2778	Posted - 2014.04.12 04:48:00 - [32] - Quote It's usually me getting flanked while or getting out of a previous fight. And the occasional gallente scout playing Houdini. Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
THUNDERGROOVE Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 648	Posted - 2014.04.12 05:04:00 - [33] - Quote The same reason why I can sneak up on snipers and whack whack whack THUNDERGROOVE (Melee) SumRandumbN00b Mmmm Scout ak.0 Projects: TDBS \| SDETool
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Vanguard of the Phoenix 547	Posted - 2014.04.12 05:12:00 - [34] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: Muzzle flash on minmatar weapons makes it hard to keep track of the player. Dimmed Light blue chevrons/tanks/CRUs behind the scout make it hard to concentrate on the exact color of the cloak, making it hard to see as well. Honestly I think the main problem is the sound. If someone stands right next to you and de-cloaks, the sound is barely audible compared to gunfire, RDVs, heck even the background game ambience. The sound on de-cloak was supposed to be a balancing factor so that if a player decloaks right behind you, you'll know about it. Finally, it's disorienting to play a FPS where the only way to move your head is to move your entire body. Unless you're standing still, looking in the same direction, or have your sensitivity set to max in order to reduce the amount of time you spend "turning", it's almost impossible for your eyes to spot the difference between motion blur and a cloak shimmer. And to top it off, if I do end up seeing a scout, and I do shoot at them as they're coming at me, and I do manage to fire at them for 10 seconds, they still don't die because they also have 500-600 ehp. Trying to stay on target while your muzzle flash gets in the way, or while he jumps around like crazy, or while there's a huge group of blue dots in the background, or while the person runs right past you disorienting you because of the limits of a 2D perspective FPS...makes it so that unless I'm focusing REALLY hard, I will probably end up dying by the scout 50% of the time. Use my eyes? Get my eyes checked? Keep situational awareness? It's all excuses for the cloak creating an unfair fight and you/me/every other scout knows it. The disadvantage of the shotgun is range. The cloak eliminates that issue, and the main balancing factors for the cloak (i.e. sound and not firing from de-cloak) are currently broken, causing all of the problems that people keep complaining about. It's a fair fight if you sneak up behind me, de-cloak, and I see a red-dot blip on the radar because of my precision for about a second before you're able to start firing on me. It's a fair fight if you de-cloak too close to me and the sound made by the cloak gives me the chance to run around and face you. It's a fair fight if you have to use dampeners and you de-cloak 10+ meters away from me in order to insta-kill me with a suit that has almost no hp at all. It's a fair fight if I watch my back all the time and am able to kill you within seconds because I spotted you. I only use the CR, SMG and Flaylock. I use the Minmatar Assault. I have never not been able to see a cloaked scout that was in my vision, and if I did then they did not attack me. I highly doubt the Cloak is OP. I have only been killed by people using the Cloak twice, and they were both from the back and so it could be done without a cloak. The entire "fair fight" perception is invalid because of the way the game works: unfair tactics are the name of the game. If I attack a heavy who has an HMG from 300m away with a Sniper Rifle, then it could be considered an unfair fight by your reasoning, because they never have the chance to kill me. There are countless examples like that where unfair tactics are simply the tactics that are used by default. Hey look I can lie too. I can see cloaks easily from 100 meters away even when they are standing completely still. I have perfect situational awareness and am amazing. Only two people have ever snuck up on me because Of my eyes in the back of my head, and because yes I am that awesome. Did I tell you guys how awesome I am? So awesome. To tell the truth I LOVE MY FOTM SCOUT. I get to fire at people when they can't even see me, making me finally go positive on my KDR. LOL 1,000 free damage and you can do nothing... hahahahahahaha. "We are not ever going to respec weaponry and dropsuit command because the majority of our Aurum gear falls within those
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 117	Posted - 2014.04.12 05:13:00 - [35] - Quote LEHON Xeon wrote: Because a lot of people are stupid ... Out of curiosity, how stupid is your boss? Lots and lots of folks whine about cloaks and Scouts, but the Ydubb cloak tears are a special kind of salty. Kinda like "there's nothing I could ever possibly do to beat this darned cloak" salty. Or maybe like "this is all too much ... I'm gonna go biomass myself on Twitch" kinda salty. Bang?
Black SlaverX Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 146	Posted - 2014.04.12 05:16:00 - [36] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: LEHON Xeon wrote: Because a lot of people are stupid ... Out of curiosity, how stupid is your boss? Lots and lots of folks whine about cloaks and Scouts, but the Ydubb cloak tears are a special kind of salty. Kinda like "there's nothing I could ever possibly do to beat this darned cloak" salty. Or maybe like "this is all too much ... I'm gonna go biomass myself on Twitch" kinda salty. Oh I can't wait until CCP nerfs your FotM fit and you cry. Have fun being able to kill people while you can scrub. "boo hoo I can't get free kills anymore... boohoo" HTFU. Watch your back because I might be there.
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 898	Posted - 2014.04.12 05:21:00 - [37] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: Muzzle flash on minmatar weapons makes it hard to keep track of the player. Dimmed Light blue chevrons/tanks/CRUs behind the scout make it hard to concentrate on the exact color of the cloak, making it hard to see as well. Honestly I think the main problem is the sound. If someone stands right next to you and de-cloaks, the sound is barely audible compared to gunfire, RDVs, heck even the background game ambience. The sound on de-cloak was supposed to be a balancing factor so that if a player decloaks right behind you, you'll know about it. Finally, it's disorienting to play a FPS where the only way to move your head is to move your entire body. Unless you're standing still, looking in the same direction, or have your sensitivity set to max in order to reduce the amount of time you spend "turning", it's almost impossible for your eyes to spot the difference between motion blur and a cloak shimmer. And to top it off, if I do end up seeing a scout, and I do shoot at them as they're coming at me, and I do manage to fire at them for 10 seconds, they still don't die because they also have 500-600 ehp. Trying to stay on target while your muzzle flash gets in the way, or while he jumps around like crazy, or while there's a huge group of blue dots in the background, or while the person runs right past you disorienting you because of the limits of a 2D perspective FPS...makes it so that unless I'm focusing REALLY hard, I will probably end up dying by the scout 50% of the time. Use my eyes? Get my eyes checked? Keep situational awareness? It's all excuses for the cloak creating an unfair fight and you/me/every other scout knows it. The disadvantage of the shotgun is range. The cloak eliminates that issue, and the main balancing factors for the cloak (i.e. sound and not firing from de-cloak) are currently broken, causing all of the problems that people keep complaining about. It's a fair fight if you sneak up behind me, de-cloak, and I see a red-dot blip on the radar because of my precision for about a second before you're able to start firing on me. It's a fair fight if you de-cloak too close to me and the sound made by the cloak gives me the chance to run around and face you. It's a fair fight if you have to use dampeners and you de-cloak 10+ meters away from me in order to insta-kill me with a suit that has almost no hp at all. It's a fair fight if I watch my back all the time and am able to kill you within seconds because I spotted you. I only use the CR, SMG and Flaylock. I use the Minmatar Assault. I have never not been able to see a cloaked scout that was in my vision, and if I did then they did not attack me. I highly doubt the Cloak is OP. I have only been killed by people using the Cloak twice, and they were both from the back and so it could be done without a cloak. The entire "fair fight" perception is invalid because of the way the game works: unfair tactics are the name of the game. If I attack a heavy who has an HMG from 300m away with a Sniper Rifle, then it could be considered an unfair fight by your reasoning, because they never have the chance to kill me. There are countless examples like that where unfair tactics are simply the tactics that are used by default. There's fair and then there's CCP can't add anything to the game with out some aspect of it being game breaking fair. There is a difference. 1.8 because nothing says fun like getting shotgunned in the back. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 290	Posted - 2014.04.12 05:28:00 - [38] - Quote is there a problem when iam ina bpo scout suit that has no claok and somehow surives longer than my proto scout that is cloaked? *Elite Gallenten Soldier*
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 117	Posted - 2014.04.12 05:34:00 - [39] - Quote Black SlaverX wrote: Oh I can't wait until CCP nerfs your FotM fit and you cry. Have fun being able to kill people while you can scrub. "boo hoo I can't get free kills anymore... boohoo" HTFU. Lol. Been a Scout since Chrome. You're calling out the wrong guy. I'm afraid the onus of HTFU rests upon those whining unduly over cloak. Bang?
Jay Westen Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 122	Posted - 2014.04.12 05:37:00 - [40] - Quote I noticed if I charge at someone while cloaked might as well go ahead and decloak it doesn't matter.

General John Ripper 20018	Posted - 2014.04.12 05:39:00 - [41] - Quote Sometimes I feel like posts like this one should be reposted in the war room. That way we can compare opinions of pubbers, lower tiered players to the opinions of the most competitive semi talented people in the game. I only say semi because not even the war room is immune from stupidity. Everytime I get a like, another bug is fixed. 20k bugs fixed. :)
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5044	Posted - 2014.04.14 02:37:00 - [42] - Quote Black SlaverX wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: I actually want to know, because wearing a cloak in this game gives you about as much invisibility as wearing black clothes and laying in the middle of the street. If you think that's OP then you should rethink your Dust career, or get your eyes checked. Ok liar. Sure. Killing scouts at 50m+ by looking at their blue outline is very much possible. Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat a¦Ñ_a¦Ñ
Athena Sentinel SOE Knights Templar 260	Posted - 2014.04.14 02:57:00 - [43] - Quote I am tagged by snipers cloaked all the time now. It only took them a week.. and now cloak limits brick scouts so I bet the snipers are loving the 1 shot (not even head shot) kills LOL If they do any nerfing to the cloak - at least make it real cloak INVISABLE! because all the QQ and the fact its not a real cloak will make it useless and nerf scouts back to 1.7 which is 100% bad in the new world of 1.8 heavy suits!
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1016	Posted - 2014.04.14 03:51:00 - [44] - Quote Travis Stanush wrote: Most of the time it's because you can't see them on your tacnet or you engaged in a firefight. yeah, but that's hardly worth qqing about. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
TODDSTER024 Revive Repair Resupply 198	Posted - 2014.04.14 03:59:00 - [45] - Quote Crosshair still turns orange
Je-NOVA ZionTCD 5	Posted - 2014.04.14 04:01:00 - [46] - Quote I think it's the profile reduction that makes them too strong.
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1282	Posted - 2014.04.14 04:03:00 - [47] - Quote I've been abusing the cloak + SG combo lately and what I can tell is that it makes shotgunning easymode. In 1.7 there were beast shotgun scouts who relied on tactics and flanking an enemy from behind or else if they were seen they were dead so they played smart. in 1.8 with a cloak all that is needed is about a 30-40 degree angle on an enemy to remain unseen. Sure if you run head on at an enemy while cloaked they'll see you but with the cloak its just a joke. Before you had to actually come in from behind or at the side of an enemy so you stayed off their screen giving you about 180 degrees to work with, now with a cloak its more like 300 degrees to work with especially since people are focused on the center of the screen not the edges which takes out all of the skill required in tactically flanking. Cloaks do nothing really for actual shotgunners from 1.7 who learned how to properly flank, but it does is make it easy for bad players who would get destroyed trying to run a SG in 1.7 which is why its OP, trust me I sucked with a SG pre 1.8 but with a cloak I put up 30-40 kills a match... easymode . STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Water Pipe Aficionado, Cannabis Sativa Connoisseur
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 2763	Posted - 2014.04.14 04:03:00 - [48] - Quote The cloak shimmer while moving is at medium-long range still a huge advantage. When you are much harder to spot then your chance of survival is much higher. And i use it at its full potential if im closing in at enemys and they are about to turn their point of view into my direction i stop moving. Knowing when to move is key but knowing biology is aswell handy. In real life we dont have such super cloaking technology yet so we use camouflage to blend in with the enviroment. You would be surprised how many people would walk past a guy who is perfectly hidden with a gun ready to fire. A player who has high situational awareness and knowledge of the game mechanics can get great results with a cloaked scout. You have to play as predator, attack the weakest link in a party and do hit and runs. No direct confrontation which means you should attack from the side or from behind. Or if you see a group coming your way then you stand still and chill till they got past you, afterwards you do cherry picking on the guys from behind. Sure there are aswell moronic players who just jump on you with remote explosives but usually they fail 8 out of 10 times. Head of public relations from The Rainbow Effect.
Doshneil Antaro Dem Durrty Boyz Dirt Nap Squad. 273	Posted - 2014.04.14 04:31:00 - [49] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: I actually want to know, because wearing a cloak in this game gives you about as much invisibility as wearing black clothes and laying in the middle of the street. If you think that's OP then you should rethink your Dust career, or get your eyes checked. I did, I'm color blind. I don't see the cloak shimmer, only the player outline when he is in my face. That means to late. Sage /thread
NEO Arbiter Red Hand Syndicate 109	Posted - 2014.04.14 05:27:00 - [50] - Quote It can be hard for a heavy to see, we can't see squat on our radar as is, then add in the HMG muzzle flash when firing and your gonna have a bad time. Tears4Life

Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1899	Posted - 2014.04.14 05:43:00 - [51] - Quote human peripheral vision is weak, and so if your not directly focused on the edge of your screen the scouts blue profile cant be detected by the human eye. aka you get folled by cloaks because science. and if you do happen to seee them, there is a split second delay while your brain trys to figure out if it really was a cloaky or weather or not it was the flickering of your tv screen. that delay is what gets you killed. the cloak is camoflauge, and camoflauge works. i wish people would stop saying that the camoflauge isnt an advantage becuase it most certainly is, hence why its so heavyly used in actual warfare.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 2226	Posted - 2014.04.14 05:46:00 - [52] - Quote I only use cloaks for the active complex dampener. Allows me to fit more range amps/plates! The invisibility is not that good, unless your enemies have no situational awareness. If someone manage to sneak up on you from behind as a scout, he should have the upper hand, especially with a shotty (shortest range weapon in the game). Cloaked or not.
Magnus Amadeuss Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 788	Posted - 2014.04.14 06:05:00 - [53] - Quote cloak vs dark background = dead cloaker cloak vs super bright or sky background = invisible That's how it goes.... Cloak just needs the free non-stacking-penalized complex dampener removed, it messes up the ewar meta. Fixing swarms
Lynn Beck Wake N' Bake Inc Top Men. 1153	Posted - 2014.04.14 07:01:00 - [54] - Quote Quick hint for cloaky cloaks. Contrast. Turn it up a few notches. Cloaks are hard to see for some becuase it's a blue shade, ln a blue shade. They're different, but not far enough for factiry contrast settings to discern those colors(unless of course you're in Movie mode, nut then you get problems with bleeding and other stuff) General John Ripper is my 2nd best friend!
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 435	Posted - 2014.04.14 07:18:00 - [55] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Black SlaverX wrote: Oh I can't wait until CCP nerfs your FotM fit and you cry. Have fun being able to kill people while you can scrub. "boo hoo I can't get free kills anymore... boohoo" HTFU. Lol. Been a Scout since Chrome. You're calling out the wrong guy. I'm afraid the onus of HTFU rests upon those whining unduly over cloak. Originally ran a shotgun scout when I first started this game in 1.2 So I'll still be scouting away even when cloak gets the nerfbat. Always the last person to leave. Always the one cleaning up people's messes.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5053	Posted - 2014.04.14 09:49:00 - [56] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: cloak vs dark background = dead cloaker cloak vs super bright or sky background = invisible That's how it goes.... Cloak just needs the free non-stacking-penalized complex dampener removed, it messes up the ewar meta. I disagree, that's the only thing keeping it from being UP. Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat a¦Ñ_a¦Ñ
tander09 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 91	Posted - 2014.04.14 10:08:00 - [57] - Quote I can see cloakers, but I can't even aim at them at all! even the aim assist doesn't help me kill the cloaks using a smg WITHOUT using ADS(ADS is for wimps. HIP FIRE FTW!!!). Recruiter link here: https://dust514.com/recruit/FepTs1/ Try and steal my BPOs. I dare ya. AMARRIAN4LYFE
Gelan Corbaine Gladiators Vanguard 391	Posted - 2014.04.14 13:10:00 - [58] - Quote I like to imagine that an exclamation point appears above my head when I spot a scout and start filling the area with MD rounds . ! No job is worth doing if you don't get paid in the end .
Symbioticforks Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 113	Posted - 2014.04.14 13:14:00 - [59] - Quote I have a big tv. I sit point blank on it. I snipe all the time. You're invisible if you stop moving from long range. If you're sprinting you're fast enough, with no discernible body movement, I miss a lot more. Cloaking vs. Ranged works really well. ^^CCP IGNORES ALL SNIPER RELATED ISSUES^^
Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2068	Posted - 2014.04.14 13:25:00 - [60] - Quote What it's like shooting at a cloaky scout: http://a.gifb.in/1232550737_predator%20duck%20hunt1.gif

NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1445	Posted - 2014.04.14 14:29:00 - [61] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: I actually want to know, because wearing a cloak in this game gives you about as much invisibility as wearing black clothes and laying in the middle of the street. If you think that's OP then you should rethink your Dust career, or get your eyes checked. Eyesight is OP... Nerf it... I want more threads on it...
GLOBAL RAGE Consolidated Dust 42	Posted - 2014.04.14 14:35:00 - [62] - Quote It takes 0% talent or thought to engage cloake run 70 meters parallel to hostiles flank and drop uplinks. You used to have to uses "cover to cover" now it's just sprint though an open area to flank. Flank514 100% of the time-my question is why are there any other roles other than scouts?
Aszazel R 0 N 1 N 173	Posted - 2014.04.14 16:06:00 - [63] - Quote Standard definition televisions make the cloak OP, actually it makes every other guy in the game OP to you. Its actually DUST 514 Legendary Mode. If you can go 20/0 on a standard def TV, when you switch to 1080 ... well. first your brain would melt... then you would be unstoppable.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 912	Posted - 2014.04.14 16:27:00 - [64] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: human peripheral vision is weak, and so if your not directly focused on the edge of your screen the scouts blue profile cant be detected by the human eye. aka you get folled by cloaks because science. and if you do happen to seee them, there is a split second delay while your brain trys to figure out if it really was a cloaky or weather or not it was the flickering of your tv screen. that delay is what gets you killed. the cloak is camoflauge, and camoflauge works. i wish people would stop saying that the camoflauge isnt an advantage becuase it most certainly is, hence why its so heavyly used in actual warfare. Oh I never said it is not an advantage it surely is (if cloaks won't give a advantage what wold be the point of them). But I said they are far from OP...and easy to counter as long as you know what your are doing. And even snipers can find cloaked scouts... As you said we are not invisible we are camouflaged and in this regard the cloaks works as intended... BTW anyone using a cloak without using cover is rather stupid and easy prey, I have killed quite a lot of cloaked suits that believed no one can see them and no they didn't appear on my tac net but I could see their shimmer and started shooting. There is not much a scout can do when this happens to him while cloaked...
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5058	Posted - 2014.04.14 16:33:00 - [65] - Quote Aszazel wrote: Standard definition televisions make the cloak OP, actually it makes every other guy in the game OP to you. Its actually DUST 514 Legendary Mode. If you can go 20/0 on a standard def TV, when you switch to 1080 ... well. first your brain would melt... then you would be unstoppable. 480p on a Stadard CRT looks cleaner than 1080p on a high definition flat screen. The textures look crisper in 720-1080 but it also looks worse when the frames drop. I used a standard TV until late last year. It really isn't bad at all Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat a¦Ñ_a¦Ñ
Magnus Amadeuss Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 793	Posted - 2014.04.14 17:17:00 - [66] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: cloak vs dark background = dead cloaker cloak vs super bright or sky background = invisible That's how it goes.... Cloak just needs the free non-stacking-penalized complex dampener removed, it messes up the ewar meta. I disagree, that's the only thing keeping it from being UP. Oh right, because being invisible is so not worth it. Fixing swarms
Finn Colman Immortal Guides 2	Posted - 2014.04.14 17:27:00 - [67] - Quote Crimson Cerberes wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: Muzzle flash on minmatar weapons makes it hard to keep track of the player. Dimmed Light blue chevrons/tanks/CRUs behind the scout make it hard to concentrate on the exact color of the cloak, making it hard to see as well. Honestly I think the main problem is the sound. If someone stands right next to you and de-cloaks, the sound is barely audible compared to gunfire, RDVs, heck even the background game ambience. The sound on de-cloak was supposed to be a balancing factor so that if a player decloaks right behind you, you'll know about it. Finally, it's disorienting to play a FPS where the only way to move your head is to move your entire body. Unless you're standing still, looking in the same direction, or have your sensitivity set to max in order to reduce the amount of time you spend "turning", it's almost impossible for your eyes to spot the difference between motion blur and a cloak shimmer. And to top it off, if I do end up seeing a scout, and I do shoot at them as they're coming at me, and I do manage to fire at them for 10 seconds, they still don't die because they also have 500-600 ehp. Trying to stay on target while your muzzle flash gets in the way, or while he jumps around like crazy, or while there's a huge group of blue dots in the background, or while the person runs right past you disorienting you because of the limits of a 2D perspective FPS...makes it so that unless I'm focusing REALLY hard, I will probably end up dying by the scout 50% of the time. Use my eyes? Get my eyes checked? Keep situational awareness? It's all excuses for the cloak creating an unfair fight and you/me/every other scout knows it. The disadvantage of the shotgun is range. The cloak eliminates that issue, and the main balancing factors for the cloak (i.e. sound and not firing from de-cloak) are currently broken, causing all of the problems that people keep complaining about. It's a fair fight if you sneak up behind me, de-cloak, and I see a red-dot blip on the radar because of my precision for about a second before you're able to start firing on me. It's a fair fight if you de-cloak too close to me and the sound made by the cloak gives me the chance to run around and face you. It's a fair fight if you have to use dampeners and you de-cloak 10+ meters away from me in order to insta-kill me with a suit that has almost no hp at all. It's a fair fight if I watch my back all the time and am able to kill you within seconds because I spotted you. I only use the CR, SMG and Flaylock. I use the Minmatar Assault. I have never not been able to see a cloaked scout that was in my vision, and if I did then they did not attack me. I highly doubt the Cloak is OP. I have only been killed by people using the Cloak twice, and they were both from the back and so it could be done without a cloak. The entire "fair fight" perception is invalid because of the way the game works: unfair tactics are the name of the game. If I attack a heavy who has an HMG from 300m away with a Sniper Rifle, then it could be considered an unfair fight by your reasoning, because they never have the chance to kill me. There are countless examples like that where unfair tactics are simply the tactics that are used by default. Hey look I can lie too. I can see cloaks easily from 100 meters away even when they are standing completely still. I have perfect situational awareness and am amazing. Only two people have ever snuck up on me because Of my eyes in the back of my head, and because yes I am that awesome. Did I tell you guys how awesome I am? So awesome. To tell the truth I LOVE MY FOTM SCOUT. I get to fire at people when they can't even see me, You can't fire while cloaked Quote: making me finally go positive on my KDR. my KDR is still negative when using cloak Quote: LOL 1,000 free damage and you can do nothing... hahahahahahaha. It's probably because I run a basic Minie Knife/ScP(sometimes a rail rifle instead) scout, but I can't fit both Shield Extenders/Armor plates, AND a Cloak. I can tell you that almost every time I try to use cloak to approach someone, I die. The only thing I can use cloak for is to run across an open area without getting hit by a sniper. I play with my music (also includes BG sounds that do not make sense in exchange for a more lonely feeling game) slider at 2/100, effectively making most of what I hear just what I need to hear. I if another scout de-cloaks anywhere near me, I'll hear him, but my gun game is just awful so I'll shoot at him and maybe hit him once (admittedly my accuracy is so awful that even if they were an Assault I'd miss). I can also see most cloaks that cross my sight, but my gun game again prevents me from hitting, and as someone else said it tends to be a race to cover followed by a duel with whatever med-range weapons we each have available. Really, I'm better off just equipping some modules and better weapons instead. So turn down your music slider if you can't hear a scout de-cloak (seriously it is pretty loud with the music down). Come back if that doesn't work, and we can see if we can find out why it worked for me and not someone else.
Aria Gomes R 0 N 1 N 384	Posted - 2014.04.14 17:29:00 - [68] - Quote Only thing OP about the cloak is when shots are fired before the person is decloaked.
The Terminator T-1000 Skynet Incorporated 397	Posted - 2014.04.14 17:44:00 - [69] - Quote Are you scouts worried about being nerfed?
Leonid Tybalt Inner.Hell 456	Posted - 2014.04.14 17:47:00 - [70] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: I actually want to know, because wearing a cloak in this game gives you about as much invisibility as wearing black clothes and laying in the middle of the street. If you think that's OP then you sserethink your Dust career, or get your eyes checked. Erm that depends completely on how big of a firefight the cloak is used in, lighting conditions on the map (certain lighting makes the blue shimmer less visible than during others), range, how much the scout is moving around etc. Also, it's an undeniable fact that countering people who use cloaks require a heck of a lot more player skill, than using a cloak requires. Any scrub can cloak up and use shotguns in peoples backs, but knowing what to look for and anticipate how a cloaked scout is going to move isn't something anyone picks up after a minute...

Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2928	Posted - 2014.04.14 17:51:00 - [71] - Quote Travis Stanush wrote: Most of the time it's because you can't see them on your tacnet or you engaged in a firefight. As a heavy I canGÇÖt see anything on my Tacnet, so it makes me more reliant on visual scans. I have been able to see Cloaked Scouts from day 1, and can often even spot the slight ripple in the air of a Cloaked Scout standing still. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Onesimus Tarsus 703rd Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 1923	Posted - 2014.04.14 17:54:00 - [72] - Quote The Terminator T-1000 wrote: Are you scouts worried about being nerfed? Nope. Dump the cloak. We can take it. 1.9 forum warrior. SMG wielder. Mama's boy. I'm right, you're wrong. Adjust.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7936	Posted - 2014.04.14 17:55:00 - [73] - Quote The Terminator T-1000 wrote: Are you scouts worried about being nerfed? Wouldn't you feel the same way if your favorite class/role finally got up to par only to have nearly half the community come down against it and want it nerfed again? Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2928	Posted - 2014.04.14 18:03:00 - [74] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: I actually want to know, because wearing a cloak in this game gives you about as much invisibility as wearing black clothes and laying in the middle of the street. If you think that's OP then you should rethink your Dust career, or get your eyes checked. So... Cloaks aren't really that good, since anyone looking at the screen with their eyes can see them. They should be removed from the game until we get them to where they do what is advertised. They are still a lot better than crouching in a corner, and you are less likely to be noticed when crossing open ground, particularly if people are distracted. Cloaks are not OP, but that does not mean they are not useful. And the reduction to your signature does help when sneaking up behind people. Think of Cloaks as camouflage rather than invisibility. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2929	Posted - 2014.04.14 18:48:00 - [75] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: I only use cloaks for the active complex dampener. Allows me to fit more range amps/plates! The invisibility is not that good, unless your enemies have no situational awareness. If someone manage to sneak up on you from behind as a scout, he should have the upper hand, especially with a shotty (shortest range weapon in the game). Cloaked or not. Spectral Clone is the perfect name for a Cloaked Scout. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 316	Posted - 2014.04.14 18:58:00 - [76] - Quote Since 1.8 I can only remember one time being bamboozled by a cloak. I was engaged in a fight with a cloaked minmatar scout who was busy stabbing blue dots around the objective, and I killed him twice. He came back and I saw him come up the steps, I backed up a bit to broaden my field of view, somehow he managed to slip out of ny sight and stab me from the side of the wall I was hugging. Now I watched predator maybe 1000 times as a kid, so the mind of the average cloaked is beneath my situational awareness, but that's the one scout who made me jump. The rest of them I'm like or they were insomuch a position they would have killed me cloaked or not. Observe the public trust. Protect the innocent. Uphold the law.
Onesimus Tarsus 703rd Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 1923	Posted - 2014.04.14 19:57:00 - [77] - Quote I particularly enjoyed the comment that "even snipers can see the cloaks!" If i had all day to stare at the open parts of the map like a diamond broker, I'd see cloaks too. However, I'm to busy trying to actually get work done to gaze fixedly looking for blue blurs and ripples. 1.9 forum warrior. SMG wielder. Mama's boy. I'm right, you're wrong. Adjust.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5103	Posted - 2014.04.14 20:09:00 - [78] - Quote There are two possible problems with cloakers being invisible. It's not always bad eyesight. This provides a solution to the more common problem.
Heavenly Daughter the Aurum Grinder and Company 367	Posted - 2014.04.14 20:15:00 - [79] - Quote Just curious, I wonder if CCP would give us numbers of Gallente Scouts before 1.8 and now lol. Probably not The Organ Grinder & Co. EVE Heavenly Daughter-Merc Records
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5103	Posted - 2014.04.14 20:35:00 - [80] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: Oh right, because being invisible is so not worth it. Right, because posting pics of what was actually implemented instead of the original concept that got nerfed before they implemented it into 1.8 didn't support your argument.

Roxas Shin Hikaru 63	Posted - 2014.04.14 20:36:00 - [81] - Quote As Cyrus Li Moody says, It's only a tool that is used to take advantage of mercs who are unaware. But yes. It's very silly to hear people complain. "I hear dorks, but I can't see dorks." ~ Cul-De-Sac Jerk
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 2816	Posted - 2014.04.25 03:40:00 - [82] - Quote General John Ripper wrote: Sometimes I feel like posts like this one should be reposted in the war room. That way we can compare opinions of pubbers, lower tiered players to the opinions of the most competitive semi talented people in the game. I only say semi because not even the war room is immune from stupidity. I agree..... cause I find it funny arguing with guys that give you advice on how to play but when you look their stats up or see them in game...it's another story. Guys with less than 2KDRs from pubbing all day telling you to "get gud". weRideNDie2getha since 2010
DEZKA DIABLO THE FOOTCLAN 672	Posted - 2014.04.25 03:46:00 - [83] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: I actually want to know, because wearing a cloak in this game gives you about as much invisibility as wearing black clothes and laying in the middle of the street. If you think that's OP then you should rethink your Dust career, or get your eyes checked. The problem is when a guy cloaks right Infront of you then gets the head start with a six kin cr, all he has to do is lose you for a second and he wins My remotes got NERFED cuz you whine like a B!+Gé¼[-]!
ishtellian SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 54	Posted - 2014.04.25 04:09:00 - [84] - Quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSBICx2yyZo Judge explains this amazingly well. My Heavy Never Dies. Logibro In training.
The Eristic Sad Panda Solutions 424	Posted - 2014.04.25 04:17:00 - [85] - Quote I'm generally fine with them, but they are occasionally completely invisible at full sprint on certain moods/maps. Chalk it up to poor testing or optimization, but they are. No shimmer, sometimes not even the transparent ripple of non-sprint. Then again, I've had rocks and crates fail to render when aiming down sights 30m away, watched them pop in when in hipfire, then watched them DE-render when ads'ing again. Stuff sometimes not working is Dust working as intended.
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2940	Posted - 2014.04.25 05:23:00 - [86] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: The Terminator T-1000 wrote: Are you scouts worried about being nerfed? Wouldn't you feel the same way if your favorite class/role finally got up to par only to have nearly half the community come down against it and want it nerfed again? We want cloaks nerfed and assaults buffed. Scouts are fine. ak.0 4 LYFE I am the Lorhak. I speak for the trees.
nelo kazuma Da Short Buss Driving School 32	Posted - 2014.04.25 05:34:00 - [87] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: I actually want to know, because wearing a cloak in this game gives you about as much invisibility as wearing black clothes and laying in the middle of the street. If you think that's OP then you should rethink your Dust career, or get your eyes checked. honestly have no issue with cloak except u should decloak the moment u switch to another weapon other than that its fair
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 2816	Posted - 2014.04.25 05:54:00 - [88] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: The Terminator T-1000 wrote: Are you scouts worried about being nerfed? Wouldn't you feel the same way if your favorite class/role finally got up to par only to have nearly half the community come down against it and want it nerfed again? Noone is asking for a nerf to scout suits......only the cloak equipment. weRideNDie2getha since 2010
G Torq ALTA B2O 721	Posted - 2014.04.25 07:28:00 - [89] - Quote People are ... not smart. Cloaks work as intended - they sort-of hide you, if you play smart. Someone standing perfectly still is visible, if you know to look for them. Someone walking is visible. Someone sprinting is visible. Meanwhile, people don't look, people are too busy shooting (and getting shot at), and people are too focused on whatever they intend to do next - Are the same reasons I could run around inside a group of enemies, with my scout BEFORE 1.8 was released, and pick them off 1-by-1, same reasons people get RE'd both at installations and in the middle of the field, and same reason you can fly a dropship up next to an enemy nest and kill them all with missiles. All that said, the idiot bluedot yesterday, who was running around the Domination objective, while it was being hacked by a cloaked scout, not shooting the scout, but getting in the way of my shots ... that is just being useless! Team Fairy DUST HTTP://Dust.Thang.DK/ - DUST514 Fitting Tool based on DUST SDE
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 2817	Posted - 2014.04.25 07:32:00 - [90] - Quote G Torq wrote: People are ... not smart. Cloaks work as intended - they sort-of hide you, if you play smart. Someone standing perfectly still is visible, if you know to look for them. Someone walking is visible. Someone sprinting is visible. Meanwhile, people don't look, people are too busy shooting (and getting shot at), and people are too focused on whatever they intend to do next - Are the same reasons I could run around inside a group of enemies, with my scout BEFORE 1.8 was released, and pick them off 1-by-1, same reasons people get RE'd both at installations and in the middle of the field, and same reason you can fly a dropship up next to an enemy nest and kill them all with missiles. All that said, the idiot bluedot yesterday, who was running around the Domination objective, while it was being hacked by a cloaked scout, not shooting the scout, but getting in the way of my shots ... that is just being useless! Do you run around the map looking for cloaked scouts standing still? I mean, when an objective is being taken or needs to be taken, are you running aroudn the area looking for claked scouts standing still? Every time you turn a corner, are you looking for them as well? weRideNDie2getha since 2010

Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1358	Posted - 2014.04.25 08:09:00 - [91] - Quote on some maps you cant even see the shimmer of the walking scout 20m in front of you because of the bright light level, just saying if you are unaware of this fact, well then you are a scrub
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 965	Posted - 2014.04.25 10:50:00 - [92] - Quote At the risk of stating the obvious... because it lowers profile so they disappear from tacnet.
G Torq ALTA B2O 721	Posted - 2014.04.25 12:24:00 - [93] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: G Torq wrote: People are ... not smart. Cloaks work as intended - they sort-of hide you, if you play smart. Someone standing perfectly still is visible, if you know to look for them. Someone walking is visible. Someone sprinting is visible. Meanwhile, people don't look, people are too busy shooting (and getting shot at), and people are too focused on whatever they intend to do next - Are the same reasons I could run around inside a group of enemies, with my scout BEFORE 1.8 was released, and pick them off 1-by-1, same reasons people get RE'd both at installations and in the middle of the field, and same reason you can fly a dropship up next to an enemy nest and kill them all with missiles. All that said, the idiot bluedot yesterday, who was running around the Domination objective, while it was being hacked by a cloaked scout, not shooting the scout, but getting in the way of my shots ... that is just being useless! Do you run around the map looking for cloaked scouts standing still? I mean, when an objective is being taken or needs to be taken, are you running aroudn the area looking for claked scouts standing still? Every time you turn a corner, are you looking for them as well? If the objective is blinking and being hacked, no, I shoot and kill the cloaked scout by spreading bullets. Do I take an extra look, if the cloaked-scout-effect (yes, there is one for perfectly-still cloakers) shows up, or something similar catches my eye? yes. Do I just run blindly at the objective and start hacking? Some times, but just as often I stop and look around for REs and scouts - and occasionally I catch a hiding scout and murder him/her. Do I look carefully *every* time I turn a corner? No, but if I have reason to suspect there being a cloaker, I'll be careful.... I guess what I'm saying, mr Ydubbs81 RND, is some of us don't run around mad and blind. Team Fairy DUST HTTP://Dust.Thang.DK/ - DUST514 Fitting Tool based on DUST SDE
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5207	Posted - 2014.04.25 12:31:00 - [94] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: on some maps you cant even see the shimmer of the walking scout 20m in front of you because of the bright light level, just saying if you are unaware of this fact, well then you are a scrub On some maps, in the right lighting AND with either bad eyesight or your TV set up wrong, you can't see the shimmer of a walking Scout at 20m. If you have good eyesight and your TV is actually set up properly for gaming, the closest I've had an actually invisible Scout - EVEN WHEN THEY'RE STANDING STILL - is closer to 50m than 40m.
Asha Starwind 829	Posted - 2014.04.25 12:33:00 - [95] - Quote Peeps just depend on their Tacnet/chevron crutch too much. Many times I'll just turn the corner cloak up and then they come after me like 'where'd they go?' an often bump right into as they walk past. Some I dunno if desperate or just smarter than usual will start spraying in possible spots I could be hiding, but unfortunately for them I'm like the ghost in Mario and will go hide in the spots they've just checked. Mad Bomber - 50% less profile Return dumbfire to Swarms
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1359	Posted - 2014.04.25 13:31:00 - [96] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: the closest I've had an actually invisible Scout - EVEN WHEN THEY'RE STANDING STILL - is closer to 50m than 40m. cool story bro. everyone knows this is a lie. I dont even need evidence as anyone can just go into match and check it himself. but anyway, just to reveal your true form Garrett Blacktroll https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3Lfy7J1c4I => non moving scout, invisible at 14m, slightly visible at full sprint 15m away on a darker area. then he sprints further 15m away and you could not see him anymore till he jumped into a different light level where the transition revealed him. yeah your "EVEN WHEN THEY'RE STANDING STILL - is closer to 50m than 40m" story is very realistic and credible another one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSBICx2yyZo => full sprint cloaked scouts, invisible at around 50m ranges, the range you claim you can "see" scouts standing still. fun fact: you would not even notice them if there were no shadow thrown on the ground by terrain for a color transition or when you would not see them cloaking beforehand. I am not saying to change that, I am just saying that this is something you cannot see and your brightness and color depth setting on the TV will not change that. personally I would just remove the extra dampening on cloaks because this makes the profile damps scale through the roof. damps already give a bigger bonus than enhancers thus the counter is already inherently weaker. a caldari scout needs 4 proto precision enchancers to see a cloaked scout with 2 proto damps.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5214	Posted - 2014.04.25 13:44:00 - [97] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3Lfy7J1c4I => non moving scout, invisible at 14m, slightly visible at full sprint 15m away on a darker area. then he sprints further 15m away and you could not see him anymore till he jumped into a different light level where the transition revealed him. yeah your "EVEN WHEN THEY'RE STANDING STILL - is closer to 50m than 40m" story is very realistic and credible Both Scouts in that video - even though the video doesn't look like it was recorded in 720p and is grainy when you set it to HD - are visible if you know what you're looking for. Even on my laptop screen where I can't adjust the colour and contrast settings to where I'd have them on my TV, they're visible. Quote: another one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSBICx2yyZo => full sprint cloaked scouts, invisible at around 50m ranges, the range you claim you can "see" scouts standing still. fun fact: you would not even notice them if there were no shadow thrown on the ground by terrain for a color transition or when you would not see them cloaking beforehand. There's one example in Judge's video where at around 50m, a sprinting cloaked Scout is in an absolutely perfect environment for the cloak to be as hard to see as possible, and is really hard to see with intermittent periods of actual invisibility, and that appears to be a bug which occasionally occurs with sprinting Scouts where the shimmer effect doesn't register. Since, as I keep saying, BUGS AREN'T RELEVANT TO A BALANCE DISCUSSION, that "point" you're trying to make is pointless. I've so far been fortunate enough not to run into anyone exploiting that glitch outside of point-blank range, by which point I'm already close enough to see them quite easily even without the shimmer. But yes, I am willing to accept that - WHEN EXPLOITING GLITCHES, some cloaked players are doing things they shouldn't be able to do within the confines of the cloak's intended operation. Judge's video also shows him referring to his 4th screenshot at the end, pointing out how the cloaked Scout is "completely invisible" while pointing an arrow to the wrong part of the screen when the ACTUAL Scout is plainly visible to someone who knows what they're looking for on the opposite side of the crosshairs to where he's pointing.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1359	Posted - 2014.04.25 14:02:00 - [98] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Scout is plainly visible to someone who knows what they're looking for on the opposite side of the crosshairs to where he's pointing. yeah plainly visible "aka" you watched the whole video revealing it http://imgur.com/qw63j3c
soulreaper73 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 822	Posted - 2014.04.25 14:19:00 - [99] - Quote I always teabag any cloaked scout I kill. Be a man! Don't use cloaks!
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5220	Posted - 2014.04.25 14:48:00 - [100] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Scout is plainly visible to someone who knows what they're looking for on the opposite side of the crosshairs to where he's pointing. yeah plainly visible "aka" you watched the whole video revealing it http://imgur.com/qw63j3c Nice pic. Without referring back to the video, Scout's on the right. Problem?



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