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DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5012	Posted - 2014.04.11 20:52:00 - [1] - Quote I actually want to know, because wearing a cloak in this game gives you about as much invisibility as wearing black clothes and laying in the middle of the street. If you think that's OP then you should rethink your Dust career, or get your eyes checked. Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat a¦Ñ_a¦Ñ
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 1041	Posted - 2014.04.11 21:02:00 - [2] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: I actually want to know, because wearing a cloak in this game gives you about as much invisibility as wearing black clothes and laying in the middle of the street. If you think that's OP then you should rethink your Dust career, or get your eyes checked. I die all the time while cloaked and standing still so as not to attract attention. Obviously some people in this game get it. Looking for the scout hangout?
DJINN Nukem Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 569	Posted - 2014.04.11 21:04:00 - [3] - Quote I agree man, after the first wave of cloak spam when it first came out, I learned to see them, kind of trained my eye ya know, yes I still loose track of them or get fooled by them, but most of the time I don't have problem with them Trample The Weak Hurdle the Dead
Travis Stanush GunFall Mobilization 93	Posted - 2014.04.11 21:07:00 - [4] - Quote Most of the time it's because you can't see them on your tacnet or you engaged in a firefight.
Sir Dukey KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 612	Posted - 2014.04.11 21:08:00 - [5] - Quote cloak makes it impossible to scan the person with your peripheral vision.
Forever ETC 703rd Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 232	Posted - 2014.04.11 21:11:00 - [6] - Quote They're easy to see but hard to call out for your teammates. It's like asking your kid if they can see the ladybug flying around a batch of raspberries. The best thing you can do is shoot at them so they panic. The ones I hate the most are the ones who sit near installations or Uplinks waiting for someone to hack/destroy it. Well, time to go Commando. Fill the Ranks at 703rd. Love,Hate, and everything in between.- ETC 2013 THIS IS AMARR!!!
Doctor Day THE SUPERHEROS 52	Posted - 2014.04.11 21:14:00 - [7] - Quote Assault rifle,plc,shotgun,massdriver cloaked scouts are annoying cloak made scouts to powafull Obvious troll is Obvious
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5019	Posted - 2014.04.11 21:21:00 - [8] - Quote Doctor Day wrote: Assault rifle,plc,shotgun,massdriver cloaked scouts are annoying cloak made scouts to powafull Shotgun cloaked scout isn't really anymore annoying than a shotgun scout without a cloak. The AR can't insta kill you. Also, Plasma Cannons and Mass Drivers leave a very noticeable trail back to the aggressor. The Cloak is just not good enough to be OP. Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat a¦Ñ_a¦Ñ
Rifter7 Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 389	Posted - 2014.04.11 21:22:00 - [9] - Quote vs good players i find they're good for either waiting in a strange spot, flanking them or for escaping when ** hits the fan. if they're looking your direction they'll almost always see you if you're moving, and you've got like a 25% chance that they'll miss you that first time if you're peaking out behind a corner. they're not that good tbh.. it just helps scouts sneak up on people and tanks in sahara desert 514 and hide behind a crate or some random ** when they run away in a city.\ vs everyone else... how can someone complain about scouts when they can't even see tanks?
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 389	Posted - 2014.04.11 21:24:00 - [10] - Quote they sprint to much they need to check the brightness on the tv set they dont use their crosshairs to check corners before hacking they dont have the ability to adapt Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make

Erobthedude 0uter.Heaven Academy 45	Posted - 2014.04.11 21:25:00 - [11] - Quote Sees shimmer 50m out, lines up LR sight, takes out his shields, loses track of cloaked scout...nervously runs away in the opposite direction in hysterical fear "Dear Lord, without you we are butt dust."
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2237	Posted - 2014.04.11 21:26:00 - [12] - Quote I cloaked, crouched, and stood still in the middle of a hallway and 2 guys ran past me lol
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 631	Posted - 2014.04.11 21:27:00 - [13] - Quote Forever ETC wrote: They're easy to see but hard to call out for your teammates. It's like asking your kid if they can see the ladybug flying around a batch of raspberries. The best thing you can do is shoot at them so they panic. The ones I hate the most are the ones who sit near installations or Uplinks waiting for someone to hack/destroy it. True, but that pretty much describes spawn camping. I equally hate it when you spawn in and there are 1 or heavies waiting. I usually die to cloaked players who have managed to flank or get behind me. The cloak is fairly easy to see but useful when used in conjunction with cover. A number of times scouts have managed to evade by using cover or jumping of the bridge etc.
Dimmu Borgir II The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 318	Posted - 2014.04.11 21:40:00 - [14] - Quote I simply can't see them, my eyes are very good and I've never needed glasses. I was running after a buddy today (we q'synced a public match and our squads were on opposite sides) and he ran around the corner, cloaked and then (unbeknownst to me) ran back out of cover and up the hill to the left of me, I didn't see him and ran behind the cover shooting like a mad man at every single damn pixel I could see on my screen, then he just shottified me in the back of the neck severing my spinal chord and rendering me terminated He told me i maybe need to turn up the brightness on my TV but I think i'm just really bad at picking them out when there's a lot of movement on-screen. Blue is good, red is bad, orange you glad you're not red?
Dimmu Borgir II The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 318	Posted - 2014.04.11 21:42:00 - [15] - Quote Erobthedude wrote: Sees shimmer 50m out, lines up LR sight, takes out his shields, loses track of cloaked scout...nervously runs away in the opposite direction in hysterical fear Hahhahaha too funny! This is where the commando and the MD comes in handy... I paranoically shoot the hell out of everything with my MD in this situation and it's awesome when it pays off and a recently invisible ragdoll scout comes flying out of the explosion... Blue is good, red is bad, orange you glad you're not red?
yep derrith again Shining Flame Amarr Empire 23	Posted - 2014.04.11 21:45:00 - [16] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: I actually want to know, because wearing a cloak in this game gives you about as much invisibility as wearing black clothes and laying in the middle of the street. If you think that's OP then you should rethink your Dust career, or get your eyes checked. I die all the time while cloaked and standing still so as not to attract attention. Obviously some people in this game get it. Plus 1 for the corp name, that was quality.
Black SlaverX Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 139	Posted - 2014.04.11 21:47:00 - [17] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: I actually want to know, because wearing a cloak in this game gives you about as much invisibility as wearing black clothes and laying in the middle of the street. If you think that's OP then you should rethink your Dust career, or get your eyes checked. Ok liar. Sure. Watch your back because I might be there.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1305	Posted - 2014.04.11 21:49:00 - [18] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: I actually want to know, because wearing a cloak in this game gives you about as much invisibility as wearing black clothes and laying in the middle of the street. If you think that's OP then you should rethink your Dust career, or get your eyes checked. You see, with age a human beings eyes get worse. The lens of the eye gets thicker making it less flexible and thus not able to focus clearly, especially with close up objects. Additionally we lose photoreceptors within the macula lutea (responsible for high acuity vision) over time. In other words, my old blind ass can't see cloaked scouts . I may try the brightness setting though and see if it helps but my vision is pretty crappy so I'll always be screwed, that doesn't explain for the rest of the player base though. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 894	Posted - 2014.04.11 21:49:00 - [19] - Quote If I am engaged in a fight there is a good chance I am not going to see the shimmer as they flank me. If I am on the move and on the look out odds are I'll see them. 1.8 because nothing says fun like getting shotgunned in the back. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
RINON114 B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance 586	Posted - 2014.04.11 21:56:00 - [20] - Quote Another responsibility for not being able to see scouts is the framerate issues. Sometimes just scanning the horizon gives me a headache so a lot of the time I don't bother. The other one is that they are behind you, and you can't possibly have seen them and given that they dampen an already hard to detect suit, that compounds the issue.

Christiphoros von Poe Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 317	Posted - 2014.04.11 22:00:00 - [21] - Quote There is always one mood that it is really difficult for me to see cloaked scouts. It's the desert mood in the midday. I have tried adjusting brightness, but I still have a very hard time seeing cloaks in that light. It's just my TV I guess. I literally cannot even see a shimmer of the cloak. I have no problem with cloaks still. (1) "Exile" Assault Rifle reserved for: Fire of Prometheus Uprising->Replication->E3->Codex->Chromosome->Uprising->???
Onesimus Tarsus 703rd Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 1888	Posted - 2014.04.11 22:06:00 - [22] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: I actually want to know, because wearing a cloak in this game gives you about as much invisibility as wearing black clothes and laying in the middle of the street. If you think that's OP then you should rethink your Dust career, or get your eyes checked. So... Cloaks aren't really that good, since anyone looking at the screen with their eyes can see them. They should be removed from the game until we get them to where they do what is advertised. 1.8 (!) forum warrior. SMG wielder. Mama's boy. 703rd for life! (or at least, for now).
Onesimus Tarsus 703rd Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 1888	Posted - 2014.04.11 22:07:00 - [23] - Quote Joel II X wrote: I cloaked, crouched, and stood still in the middle of a hallway and 2 guys ran past me lol Well, they obviously saw you, but they really didn't feel like fighting right then. Because cloaks don't hide you. We've covered this. 1.8 (!) forum warrior. SMG wielder. Mama's boy. 703rd for life! (or at least, for now).
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 419	Posted - 2014.04.11 22:12:00 - [24] - Quote Because a lot of people are stupid and don't pay attention to detail. I've stood still in the middle of up to and been surrounded by half the other team in a domination match and no one noticed me, even though I was right out in the open lol. Anyone that uses it just to go sit in a corner somewhere and wait until a red comes by to hack is dumb. The main things I use it for crossing wide open areas and avoiding vehicles. It is always fun though to be running along while cloaked and see another cloaked scout around you on your screen. If the other guy sees you it becomes a thing of who can get in better position first and fire quicker. Always kind of a rush. Always the last person to leave. Always the one cleaning up people's messes.
Black SlaverX Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 140	Posted - 2014.04.11 22:17:00 - [25] - Quote LEHON Xeon wrote: Because a lot of people are stupid and don't pay attention to detail. I've stood still in the middle of up to and been surrounded by half the other team in a domination match and no one noticed me, even though I was right out in the open lol. Anyone that uses it just to go sit in a corner somewhere and wait until a red comes by to hack is dumb. The main things I use it for crossing wide open areas and avoiding vehicles. It is always fun though to be running along while cloaked and see another cloaked scout around you on your screen. If the other guy sees you it becomes a thing of who can get in better position first and fire quicker. Always kind of a rush. Why even fit one, everyone can see you anyway right? you are just wasting a slot. Watch your back because I might be there.
Onesimus Tarsus 703rd Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 1890	Posted - 2014.04.11 22:33:00 - [26] - Quote Black SlaverX wrote: LEHON Xeon wrote: Because a lot of people are stupid and don't pay attention to detail. I've stood still in the middle of up to and been surrounded by half the other team in a domination match and no one noticed me, even though I was right out in the open lol. Anyone that uses it just to go sit in a corner somewhere and wait until a red comes by to hack is dumb. The main things I use it for crossing wide open areas and avoiding vehicles. It is always fun though to be running along while cloaked and see another cloaked scout around you on your screen. If the other guy sees you it becomes a thing of who can get in better position first and fire quicker. Always kind of a rush. Why even fit one, everyone can see you anyway right? you are just wasting a slot. Cloak threads before cloaking: "Oh, my deity! We're going to be silent, INVISIBLE assassins that can strike with no warning whatsoever! Mwa HAHAHAHAAA! Cloak threads after cloaking: "Aw, heck, you know you can see me. Quit telling me you can't!" 1.8 (!) forum warrior. SMG wielder. Mama's boy. 703rd for life! (or at least, for now).
Kierkegaard Soren Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 272	Posted - 2014.04.11 22:36:00 - [27] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: I actually want to know, because wearing a cloak in this game gives you about as much invisibility as wearing black clothes and laying in the middle of the street. If you think that's OP then you should rethink your Dust career, or get your eyes checked. If I'm actively looking for scouts, and that is to say, if I'm not dealing with anyone/thing else at any given moment, then yes, cloaks are not a real issue, although I'd like to say that between the shimmer and the tiny size of a light frame it can be hard to keep a consistent aim on them. The real issue is when I'm doing something. Anything. Scouts are so damned fast they can cover an exceptional amount of distance to get to you, and if you ADS in a firefight right now it's a flip of the coin as to whether you'll get a shotgun to the back of the head or not. I'm used to it now, but it still irritates me. Feels exceptionally arbitrary. Dedicated Commando. "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." -Paul Atreides.
General John Ripper 19710	Posted - 2014.04.11 22:38:00 - [28] - Quote When I got on to play, I just kept seeing blurs everywhere. a blur = not invisible. My like count = Nominate Ripper 4 cpm petition Sign it to let CCP know we are serious.
I-Shayz-I I-----I 2910	Posted - 2014.04.11 22:42:00 - [29] - Quote Muzzle flash on minmatar weapons makes it hard to keep track of the player. Dimmed Light blue chevrons/tanks/CRUs behind the scout make it hard to concentrate on the exact color of the cloak, making it hard to see as well. Honestly I think the main problem is the sound. If someone stands right next to you and de-cloaks, the sound is barely audible compared to gunfire, RDVs, heck even the background game ambience. The sound on de-cloak was supposed to be a balancing factor so that if a player decloaks right behind you, you'll know about it. Finally, it's disorienting to play a FPS where the only way to move your head is to move your entire body. Unless you're standing still, looking in the same direction, or have your sensitivity set to max in order to reduce the amount of time you spend "turning", it's almost impossible for your eyes to spot the difference between motion blur and a cloak shimmer. And to top it off, if I do end up seeing a scout, and I do shoot at them as they're coming at me, and I do manage to fire at them for 10 seconds, they still don't die because they also have 500-600 ehp. Trying to stay on target while your muzzle flash gets in the way, or while there's a huge group of blue dots in the background, or while the person runs right past you disorienting you because of the limits of a 2D perspective FPS...makes it so that unless I'm focusing REALLY hard, I will probably end up dying by the scout 50% of the time. Use my eyes? Get my eyes checked? Keep situational awareness? It's all excuses for the cloak creating an unfair fight and you/me/every other scout knows it. The disadvantage of the shotgun is range. The cloak eliminates that issue, and the main balancing factors for the cloak (i.e. sound and not firing from de-cloak) are currently broken, causing all of the problems that people keep complaining about. It's a fair fight if you sneak up behind me, de-cloak, and I see a red-dot blip on the radar because of my precision for about a second before you're able to start firing on me. It's a fair fight if you de-cloak too close to me and the sound made by the cloak gives me the chance to run around and face you. It's a fair fight if you have to use dampeners and you de-cloak 10+ meters away from me in order to insta-kill me with a suit that has almost no hp at all. It's a fair fight if I watch my back all the time and am able to kill you within seconds because I spotted you. Links: 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! I make logistics videos!
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 1652	Posted - 2014.04.12 00:02:00 - [30] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: I actually want to know, because wearing a cloak in this game gives you about as much invisibility as wearing black clothes and laying in the middle of the street. If you think that's OP then you should rethink your Dust career, or get your eyes checked. I think that the real benefit come in when your opponent isn't directly facing you. If you are far away and they are focused on near-term action, or you are cloaked but in their periphery the eyes are just not drawn as easily to you as they would be if you weren't cloaked. Double posting like a Kaiser.



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