DUST Search - How are people fooled by the Cloak?

Ydubbs81 RND wrote:

G Torq wrote:

People are ... not smart.

Cloaks work as intended - they sort-of hide you, if you play smart.

Someone standing perfectly still is visible, if you know to look for them. Someone walking is visible. Someone sprinting is visible.

Meanwhile, people don't look, people are too busy shooting (and getting shot at), and people are too focused on whatever they intend to do next - Are the same reasons I could run around inside a group of enemies, with my scout BEFORE 1.8 was released, and pick them off 1-by-1, same reasons people get RE'd both at installations and in the middle of the field, and same reason you can fly a dropship up next to an enemy nest and kill them all with missiles.

All that said, the idiot bluedot yesterday, who was running around the Domination objective, while it was being hacked by a cloaked scout, not shooting the scout, but getting in the way of my shots ... that is just being useless!

Do you run around the map looking for cloaked scouts standing still? I mean, when an objective is being taken or needs to be taken, are you running aroudn the area looking for claked scouts standing still? Every time you turn a corner, are you looking for them as well?

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Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1358	Posted - 2014.04.25 08:09:00 - [91] - Quote on some maps you cant even see the shimmer of the walking scout 20m in front of you because of the bright light level, just saying if you are unaware of this fact, well then you are a scrub
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 965	Posted - 2014.04.25 10:50:00 - [92] - Quote At the risk of stating the obvious... because it lowers profile so they disappear from tacnet.
G Torq ALTA B2O 721	Posted - 2014.04.25 12:24:00 - [93] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: G Torq wrote: People are ... not smart. Cloaks work as intended - they sort-of hide you, if you play smart. Someone standing perfectly still is visible, if you know to look for them. Someone walking is visible. Someone sprinting is visible. Meanwhile, people don't look, people are too busy shooting (and getting shot at), and people are too focused on whatever they intend to do next - Are the same reasons I could run around inside a group of enemies, with my scout BEFORE 1.8 was released, and pick them off 1-by-1, same reasons people get RE'd both at installations and in the middle of the field, and same reason you can fly a dropship up next to an enemy nest and kill them all with missiles. All that said, the idiot bluedot yesterday, who was running around the Domination objective, while it was being hacked by a cloaked scout, not shooting the scout, but getting in the way of my shots ... that is just being useless! Do you run around the map looking for cloaked scouts standing still? I mean, when an objective is being taken or needs to be taken, are you running aroudn the area looking for claked scouts standing still? Every time you turn a corner, are you looking for them as well? If the objective is blinking and being hacked, no, I shoot and kill the cloaked scout by spreading bullets. Do I take an extra look, if the cloaked-scout-effect (yes, there is one for perfectly-still cloakers) shows up, or something similar catches my eye? yes. Do I just run blindly at the objective and start hacking? Some times, but just as often I stop and look around for REs and scouts - and occasionally I catch a hiding scout and murder him/her. Do I look carefully *every* time I turn a corner? No, but if I have reason to suspect there being a cloaker, I'll be careful.... I guess what I'm saying, mr Ydubbs81 RND, is some of us don't run around mad and blind. Team Fairy DUST HTTP://Dust.Thang.DK/ - DUST514 Fitting Tool based on DUST SDE
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5207	Posted - 2014.04.25 12:31:00 - [94] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: on some maps you cant even see the shimmer of the walking scout 20m in front of you because of the bright light level, just saying if you are unaware of this fact, well then you are a scrub On some maps, in the right lighting AND with either bad eyesight or your TV set up wrong, you can't see the shimmer of a walking Scout at 20m. If you have good eyesight and your TV is actually set up properly for gaming, the closest I've had an actually invisible Scout - EVEN WHEN THEY'RE STANDING STILL - is closer to 50m than 40m.
Asha Starwind 829	Posted - 2014.04.25 12:33:00 - [95] - Quote Peeps just depend on their Tacnet/chevron crutch too much. Many times I'll just turn the corner cloak up and then they come after me like 'where'd they go?' an often bump right into as they walk past. Some I dunno if desperate or just smarter than usual will start spraying in possible spots I could be hiding, but unfortunately for them I'm like the ghost in Mario and will go hide in the spots they've just checked. Mad Bomber - 50% less profile Return dumbfire to Swarms
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1359	Posted - 2014.04.25 13:31:00 - [96] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: the closest I've had an actually invisible Scout - EVEN WHEN THEY'RE STANDING STILL - is closer to 50m than 40m. cool story bro. everyone knows this is a lie. I dont even need evidence as anyone can just go into match and check it himself. but anyway, just to reveal your true form Garrett Blacktroll https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3Lfy7J1c4I => non moving scout, invisible at 14m, slightly visible at full sprint 15m away on a darker area. then he sprints further 15m away and you could not see him anymore till he jumped into a different light level where the transition revealed him. yeah your "EVEN WHEN THEY'RE STANDING STILL - is closer to 50m than 40m" story is very realistic and credible another one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSBICx2yyZo => full sprint cloaked scouts, invisible at around 50m ranges, the range you claim you can "see" scouts standing still. fun fact: you would not even notice them if there were no shadow thrown on the ground by terrain for a color transition or when you would not see them cloaking beforehand. I am not saying to change that, I am just saying that this is something you cannot see and your brightness and color depth setting on the TV will not change that. personally I would just remove the extra dampening on cloaks because this makes the profile damps scale through the roof. damps already give a bigger bonus than enhancers thus the counter is already inherently weaker. a caldari scout needs 4 proto precision enchancers to see a cloaked scout with 2 proto damps.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5214	Posted - 2014.04.25 13:44:00 - [97] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3Lfy7J1c4I => non moving scout, invisible at 14m, slightly visible at full sprint 15m away on a darker area. then he sprints further 15m away and you could not see him anymore till he jumped into a different light level where the transition revealed him. yeah your "EVEN WHEN THEY'RE STANDING STILL - is closer to 50m than 40m" story is very realistic and credible Both Scouts in that video - even though the video doesn't look like it was recorded in 720p and is grainy when you set it to HD - are visible if you know what you're looking for. Even on my laptop screen where I can't adjust the colour and contrast settings to where I'd have them on my TV, they're visible. Quote: another one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSBICx2yyZo => full sprint cloaked scouts, invisible at around 50m ranges, the range you claim you can "see" scouts standing still. fun fact: you would not even notice them if there were no shadow thrown on the ground by terrain for a color transition or when you would not see them cloaking beforehand. There's one example in Judge's video where at around 50m, a sprinting cloaked Scout is in an absolutely perfect environment for the cloak to be as hard to see as possible, and is really hard to see with intermittent periods of actual invisibility, and that appears to be a bug which occasionally occurs with sprinting Scouts where the shimmer effect doesn't register. Since, as I keep saying, BUGS AREN'T RELEVANT TO A BALANCE DISCUSSION, that "point" you're trying to make is pointless. I've so far been fortunate enough not to run into anyone exploiting that glitch outside of point-blank range, by which point I'm already close enough to see them quite easily even without the shimmer. But yes, I am willing to accept that - WHEN EXPLOITING GLITCHES, some cloaked players are doing things they shouldn't be able to do within the confines of the cloak's intended operation. Judge's video also shows him referring to his 4th screenshot at the end, pointing out how the cloaked Scout is "completely invisible" while pointing an arrow to the wrong part of the screen when the ACTUAL Scout is plainly visible to someone who knows what they're looking for on the opposite side of the crosshairs to where he's pointing.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1359	Posted - 2014.04.25 14:02:00 - [98] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Scout is plainly visible to someone who knows what they're looking for on the opposite side of the crosshairs to where he's pointing. yeah plainly visible "aka" you watched the whole video revealing it http://imgur.com/qw63j3c
soulreaper73 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 822	Posted - 2014.04.25 14:19:00 - [99] - Quote I always teabag any cloaked scout I kill. Be a man! Don't use cloaks!
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5220	Posted - 2014.04.25 14:48:00 - [100] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Scout is plainly visible to someone who knows what they're looking for on the opposite side of the crosshairs to where he's pointing. yeah plainly visible "aka" you watched the whole video revealing it http://imgur.com/qw63j3c Nice pic. Without referring back to the video, Scout's on the right. Problem?



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