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Charlotte O'Dell Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 2336	Posted - 2014.04.10 05:22:00 - [1] - Quote CCP Saberwing, I only pick your name because you recently posted today. The community is whiny. Like, really whiny. Don't spend the next few builds balancing for people who won't be happy either way. Spend time adding content- PLAYER MARKET - I have 40 Thales; let me sell them. PVE - Vastly improved NPE INTEGRATION WITH EVE ECONOMY - Dust gear manufactured in Eve; Eve resources procured [significantly more efficiently] through Dust players Like, those 3 things right there would bring this game to the next level. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 4109	Posted - 2014.04.10 05:23:00 - [2] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: CCP Saberwing, I only pick your name because you recently posted today. The community is whiny. Like, really whiny. Don't spend the next few builds balancing for people who won't be happy either way. Spend time adding content- PLAYER MARKET PVE Like, those two things right there would bring this game to the next level. Preach it Charlotte! I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost I hack at Mach V
Defy Gravity Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 378	Posted - 2014.04.10 05:23:00 - [3] - Quote +1 ?pGêÇWGê¬ ...u-ìop ¦¥p-¦sdn s-¦ OIq -Ä+í s¦¥-Ä
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1272	Posted - 2014.04.10 05:34:00 - [4] - Quote If CCP has strictly been focused on balance and getting this latest content out I will be vastly disappointed. I had hopes that it was a smallish team doing this stuff while most of the team has been working on the next iteration of Dust worthy a new expansion name and that includes all that stuff. However, I think I hope for too much. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7868	Posted - 2014.04.10 05:49:00 - [5] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: INTEGRATION WITH EVE ECONOMY - Dust gear manufactured in Eve; Eve resources procured [significantly more efficiently] through Dust players According to the Dust 514 Keynote at Fanfest 2013 (it's posted on CCP Games YouTube channel), this is actually part of the road map. So be confident that this will happen. Just don't expect it in 1.9 although the earlier the better. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor

CCP Saberwing C C P C C P Alliance 3387	Posted - 2014.04.10 06:03:00 - [6] - Quote Ultimately, it all stems from people wanting this game to be awesome and fulfilling it's vision, so I'm happy to listen. However, I (and the team) agree that kneejerk reactions aren't the way forward to make that happen, and I assure you that a longer-term plan is in place. Particularly since the arrival of CCP Rouge. He'll be getting on stage at Fanfest and sharing some of that with you and I'll also be around to try and answer some of the questions you may have. I want to reiterate what I've stated in other posts before...we definitely don't intend to overhype this year and will try to keep things realistic and honest from the get-go. CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian

Aeon Amadi Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 5510	Posted - 2014.04.10 06:12:00 - [7] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Ultimately, it all stems from people wanting this game to be awesome and fulfilling it's vision, so I'm happy to listen. However, I (and the team) agree that kneejerk reactions aren't the way forward to make that happen, and I assure you that a longer-term plan is in place. Particularly since the arrival of CCP Rouge. He'll be getting on stage at Fanfest and sharing some of that with you and I'll also be around to try and answer some of the questions you may have. I want to reiterate what I've stated in other posts before...we definitely don't intend to overhype this year and will try to keep things realistic and honest from the get-go. OBJECTION! Reducing Railguns from 600m to 300m was about as kneejerk as it gets, Saberwing Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12210	Posted - 2014.04.10 06:16:00 - [8] - Quote Saberwing, would I be correct in thinking that it's misguided to suggest that CCP 'shouldn't balance and should make new content instead' because Wolfman/Remnant can't simply be repurposed to building, say, a new map? You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. EUrobro

CCP Saberwing C C P C C P Alliance 3391	Posted - 2014.04.10 06:23:00 - [9] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Saberwing, would I be correct in thinking that it's misguided to suggest that CCP 'shouldn't balance and should make new content instead' because Wolfman/Remnant can't simply be repurposed to building, say, a new map? Well as neither of them are Level Designers...that would be a fairly accurate statement. :) CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian

Boot Booter Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 422	Posted - 2014.04.10 06:28:00 - [10] - Quote When that happens it'll finally make this game a true fps mmo. The sooner the better.

Obodiah Garro Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 846	Posted - 2014.04.10 06:31:00 - [11] - Quote PVE should be given the highest priority Nemo me impune lacessit
Lucrezia LeGrand 447	Posted - 2014.04.10 06:38:00 - [12] - Quote as a whiny player, yes, we whine too much. -_- will you ever forgive us? btw, I think the server is down right now. can't login. I'm not whining. I swear, I'm not. o_O Thale groupie (not the gun, but the man).
RKKR The Southern Legion League of Infamy 899	Posted - 2014.04.10 07:12:00 - [13] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Ultimately, it all stems from people wanting this game to be awesome and fulfilling it's vision, so I'm happy to listen. However, I (and the team) agree that kneejerk reactions aren't the way forward to make that happen, and I assure you that a longer-term plan is in place. Particularly since the arrival of CCP Rouge. He'll be getting on stage at Fanfest and sharing some of that with you and I'll also be around to try and answer some of the questions you may have. I want to reiterate what I've stated in other posts before...we definitely don't intend to overhype this year and will try to keep things realistic and honest from the get-go. I know a solution to decrease kneejerk reactions... Communicate! I don't mean those troll-posts...listening is a bit one-sided...and judging from feedback threads...not really true. You're welcome.
VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 125	Posted - 2014.04.10 07:49:00 - [14] - Quote when the market is added you know you all will have to isk wipe everybody and all corps to make a even start right loo
Maximos Forcus G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 8	Posted - 2014.04.10 08:05:00 - [15] - Quote VALCORE72 wrote: when the market is added you know you all will have to isk wipe everybody and all corps to make a even start right loo Why? What does an "even start" mean in this context, anyway? Because you would have to remove all assets as well, to actually achieve that. ISK or assets are the same thing, financially speaking (at least, once there's a market).
COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 891	Posted - 2014.04.10 08:39:00 - [16] - Quote Oh you poor whiners and your precious first world problems. Boo ***** hoo, this piece of entertainment software hasn't progressed in the way your precious little desires and expectations wish they had. Now let us berate, on and belittle these people who are just ordinary people doing their job. Maybe one day when you've moved out of your parents house, when you go into the real world...the null sec of real life where you get dealt ****/rough/difficult hands--you'll learn just how pathetic it is get so frustrated at a game and so negative and rude to the people who make it. Enjoy life's high sec while it lasts lil carebears. CCP, you guys are doing a great job in my books. I know there have been massive internal changes and challenges facing the company that us forum dwellers couldn't possibly understand. 1.8 is an awesome milestone and I personally have full faith in Rouge's ability to turn things around given his pedigree and I look forward to seeing the future direction in a few weeks. Y'all get COVERT's seal of approval. Proud Minmatar scout - Republic Merc 7/10 Immune to bitter/jaded vet syndrome Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL - eWar Merc
anaboop NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 26	Posted - 2014.04.10 08:48:00 - [17] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: CCP Saberwing, I only pick your name because you recently posted today. The community is whiny. Like, really whiny. Don't spend the next few builds balancing for people who won't be happy either way. Spend time adding content- PLAYER MARKET - I have 40 Thales; let me sell them. A S&D system will make it quite obvious to everyone what gear is the best and what is not being used because it is the worst. In this build, I doubt you could sell an Assault mk.0 for more than 20,000 ISK. PVE - Vastly improved NPE INTEGRATION WITH EVE ECONOMY - Dust gear manufactured in Eve; Eve resources procured [significantly more efficiently] through Dust players Like, those 3 things right there would bring this game to the next level. As hated as this idea will be isk wipe before player market Otherwise only a number of rich players will grab everything and noone else will have a chance. Only rich people are going to dislike that too. In the moment when I understand my enemy, well enough to defeat him, I also love him. And then I destroy him.
Rhydra L Wong POISION ROSES Caps and Mercs 12	Posted - 2014.04.10 08:55:00 - [18] - Quote A few ideas for improving NPE. Arms Control: My view of New Eden there certain populated areas under govenment/corporation/police(concord) jurisdiction. In these areas Proto weapons and gear should be banned. Like an assault weapons ban IRL. Besides that, think about it, how many prototype supercars do you see driving around public streets IRL? Choose where you fight: I guess this is happening in PC and somewhat FW, but there is a huge starmap and I should have a choice where and whom I fight. (unless I'm being ambushed). Not ready to go against the hardest of the hard then chill in a higher security area. Also, how do I get around the universe? I'm magically being transported everywhere? But ya know what, maybe my choices should be limited: Perhaps new players are "employed" by an NPC corp in a more realistic fashion. Does "Lai Dai Protection Services" actually protect anything? Doesn't seem like it. Also, any new job that forces me to purchase my first uniform is not a job I'd be taking.
VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 125	Posted - 2014.04.10 08:59:00 - [19] - Quote Maximos Forcus wrote: VALCORE72 wrote: when the market is added you know you all will have to isk wipe everybody and all corps to make a even start right loo Why? What does an "even start" mean in this context, anyway? Because you would have to remove all assets as well, to actually achieve that. ISK or assets are the same thing, financially speaking (at least, once there's a market). land lock for one . pc was a mess for months .
Maximos Forcus G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 8	Posted - 2014.04.10 09:01:00 - [20] - Quote anaboop wrote: As hated as this idea will be isk wipe before player market Otherwise only a number of rich players will grab everything and noone else will have a chance. Only rich people are going to dislike that too. Assets and ISK are interchangeable, once there is an open market. Will you require an asset wipe as well? How about a complete reset? Wipe everything! Skills, assets, and ISK. Your concern is only relevant in the initial stages of the market. And "rich people getting everything" means their wealth becomes more distributed. Assets will continue to be generated, and the market will stabilize. If it won't, then even an ISK wipe won't. So, please expand on the motivation for this request, preferably using some real principles of economics. Because from where I am standing (a poor merc in New Eden, but with a IRL degree in economics) this doesn't make sense.

Maximos Forcus G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 8	Posted - 2014.04.10 09:04:00 - [21] - Quote VALCORE72 wrote: Maximos Forcus wrote: VALCORE72 wrote: when the market is added you know you all will have to isk wipe everybody and all corps to make a even start right loo Why? What does an "even start" mean in this context, anyway? Because you would have to remove all assets as well, to actually achieve that. ISK or assets are the same thing, financially speaking (at least, once there's a market). land lock for one . pc was a mess for months . Not been around for long enough to know what this means. Could you explain the situation in more detail, or link to a post that does?
Rhydra L Wong POISION ROSES Caps and Mercs 12	Posted - 2014.04.10 09:04:00 - [22] - Quote I'll expand .... THIS IS A FANTASY UNIVERSE AND A VIDEO GAME and your remark about rich people grabbing up everything actually spreads recources is ridiculous. Fight your class war somewhere else please.
Maximos Forcus G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 8	Posted - 2014.04.10 09:07:00 - [23] - Quote Rhydra L Wong wrote: I'll expand .... THIS IS A FANTASY UNIVERSE AND A VIDEO GAME and your remark about rich people grabbing up everything actually spreads recources is ridiculous. Fight your class war somewhere else please. Idiot, **** off. Do you even know what "class war" means?
VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 125	Posted - 2014.04.10 09:16:00 - [24] - Quote dont care if you were a mathematician . this is a GAME where balance is need for growth . so your sayn for the higher corps it was ok to lock districts for 4 months ? never use real life in a online game will make you grey headed fast . isk and items wipe should put the market on good start . pubs and pc would be up and coming from ppl trying to farm . farming is what makes mmos and since i was told this a mmo makes sense a fresh start from a isk , item wipe wouldnt hurt . ccp let it go for far to long and when a market is added it pay for it . you do know there are corps waitn for a market just so they can buy all the officer gear for pc ? few corps are settn on over 200billion . isk wipe all the way . i would take it even when im setn on 215 mil my self
anaboop NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 27	Posted - 2014.04.10 09:21:00 - [25] - Quote Maximos Forcus wrote: anaboop wrote: As hated as this idea will be isk wipe before player market Otherwise only a number of rich players will grab everything and noone else will have a chance. Only rich people are going to dislike that too. Assets and ISK are interchangeable, once there is an open market. Will you require an asset wipe as well? How about a complete reset? Wipe everything! Skills, assets, and ISK. Your concern is only relevant in the initial stages of the market. And "rich people getting everything" means their wealth becomes more distributed. Assets will continue to be generated, and the market will stabilize. If it won't, then even an ISK wipe won't. So, please expand on the motivation for this request, preferably using some real principles of economics. Because from where I am standing (a poor merc in New Eden, but with a IRL degree in economics) this doesn't make sense. I would be up for an asset wipe as well. Wouldnt bother me one bit So you think a certzin number of people should have all the rare stuff people sell bpo etc etc just to share some isk that u can make from games running militia fits? Now that doesnt make sense. In the moment when I understand my enemy, well enough to defeat him, I also love him. And then I destroy him.
Rhydra L Wong POISION ROSES Caps and Mercs 12	Posted - 2014.04.10 09:23:00 - [26] - Quote pfft
VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 125	Posted - 2014.04.10 09:23:00 - [27] - Quote Maximos Forcus wrote: VALCORE72 wrote: Maximos Forcus wrote: VALCORE72 wrote: when the market is added you know you all will have to isk wipe everybody and all corps to make a even start right loo Why? What does an "even start" mean in this context, anyway? Because you would have to remove all assets as well, to actually achieve that. ISK or assets are the same thing, financially speaking (at least, once there's a market). land lock for one . pc was a mess for months . Not been around for long enough to know what this means. Could you explain the situation in more detail, or link to a post that does? in pc a corp could lock there land and it couldn't be attacked and you would still get paid from it . knights of the round i think was the frist to find it . and that was in 1.4 . was a very bad glitch that ccp let go for way to long . but hell what do i know , im the dumbest guy on the planet ccp will never take blame for this mess . only hope is ccp rouge if any
Rhydra L Wong POISION ROSES Caps and Mercs 12	Posted - 2014.04.10 09:26:00 - [28] - Quote Maximos Forcus wrote: Rhydra L Wong wrote: I'll expand .... THIS IS A FANTASY UNIVERSE AND A VIDEO GAME and your remark about rich people grabbing up everything actually spreads recources is ridiculous. Fight your class war somewhere else please. Idiot, **** off. Do you even know what "class war" means? I understand very well it's what the wealthy wage against the "poor" on daily basis and you should save it for the communities you are gentrifying IRL. The reason it won't work is because there is no functioning working class in New Eden to create the wealth for the rest of the universe. Don't you have a google bus to catch somewhere?
anaboop NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 27	Posted - 2014.04.10 09:28:00 - [29] - Quote I would gladly give up my I think im on 315 million isk atm, to give all the poor players a better chance, also prices would be set at a reasonable price when it did come out instead of this million billion crap. Rich get richer poor get butt f**ked by bananas thats not on. In the moment when I understand my enemy, well enough to defeat him, I also love him. And then I destroy him.
The Robot Devil Brave Bunnies Brave Collective 2293	Posted - 2014.04.10 09:47:00 - [30] - Quote The rich get richer, the fat get fatter and the poor gets poorer because they keep doing g the same thing that made them that way. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke

Maximos Forcus G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 10	Posted - 2014.04.10 09:51:00 - [31] - Quote Asking for an ISK and asset reset is the same as asking for a complete restart of the game, as they are the principal element of the game-environment, the "EVE-DUST universe". Not wiping it will not make the rich richer, nor the poor poorer. It will actually allow the poor to make some ISK out of weapons that will not significantly help them make more ISK or be more than marginally better on the battlefield. This is effectively the same discussion as PRO vs. STD/MLT. Not fun maybe, but part of the game. If the market domination is beneficial to the "rich few", which is what I gather fro your responses, then a reset will not help "the poor" at all. Corporations will hold districts, making money faster than any corp only running battles. Lone mercs will suffer even more. In the end, it is about the ability to make ISK. So you would need a full reset of everything. Then, once DUST gets connected to EVE, allowing for player-exchange, do you reset EVE? You think that makes sense?
Rhydra L Wong POISION ROSES Caps and Mercs 12	Posted - 2014.04.10 09:53:00 - [32] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: The rich get richer, the fat get fatter and the poor gets poorer because they keep doing g the same thing that made them that way. Something tells me any Minmatar would take issue with that statement pretty severly. One might say the fat rich Amarr are going to continue to be bled out because they keep doing the same things that made them that way.......by that I mean a corpse :)
SirManBoy Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 486	Posted - 2014.04.10 09:59:00 - [33] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: CCP Saberwing, I only pick your name because you recently posted today. The community is whiny. Like, really whiny. Don't spend the next few builds balancing for people who won't be happy either way. Spend time adding content- PLAYER MARKET - I have 40 Thales; let me sell them. A S&D system will make it quite obvious to everyone what gear is the best and what is not being used because it is the worst. In this build, I doubt you could sell an Assault mk.0 for more than 20,000 ISK. PVE - Vastly improved NPE INTEGRATION WITH EVE ECONOMY - Dust gear manufactured in Eve; Eve resources procured [significantly more efficiently] through Dust players Like, those 3 things right there would bring this game to the next level. And team deploy, bro. Trust me on this one. It would make signing into this game everyday positively orgasmic. Contrary to popular belief, I believe that team deploys would result in fewer pub stomps. Sure, the ones that occur would be more severe but much fewer in number. You have not experienced fun until you have deployed with an entire side of guys you know and can communicate with. It's absolutely exhilarating and it alone would make the game experience function much closer to its potential for greatness.
Rhydra L Wong POISION ROSES Caps and Mercs 13	Posted - 2014.04.10 10:01:00 - [34] - Quote Maximos Forcus wrote: Asking for an ISK and asset reset is the same as asking for a complete restart of the game, as they are the principal element of the game-environment, the "EVE-DUST universe". Not wiping it will not make the rich richer, nor the poor poorer. It will actually allow the poor to make some ISK out of weapons that will not significantly help them make more ISK or be more than marginally better on the battlefield. This is effectively the same discussion as PRO vs. STD/MLT. Not fun maybe, but part of the game. If the market domination is beneficial to the "rich few", which is what I gather fro your responses, then a reset will not help "the poor" at all. Corporations will hold districts, making money faster than any corp only running battles. Lone mercs will suffer even more. In the end, it is about the ability to make ISK. So you would need a full reset of everything. Then, once DUST gets connected to EVE, allowing for player-exchange, do you reset EVE? You think that makes sense? My main issue with a market is that there is no crafting. I can't speak for the how things work EVE side, and perhaps this would be solved when dust meets space and we're all starstuff, but right now with my boots firmly on the ground and we aren't creating anything. Right now all assets are generated by magic out of nowhere. "cept maybe salvage. but that's not enough to keep any kind of market going. We are major intergalactic corporations with a whole universe of workers to exploit and/or enslave. We can produce goods at a much larger scale then some blacksmith in a hut somewhere chowing down on spider legs. When the production facilites actually start producing things.....then we'll have an actual marketplace.
VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 125	Posted - 2014.04.10 10:23:00 - [35] - Quote max no matter what i say will ever make any impact on you or anyone . bottom line is ccp has let some stuff go that will affect lots more then others . changing words around or tip toeing around truth for personal gain does not change the fact that bugs in the game are ignored and the few that abuse them get paid from it knowing ccp wll not do anything about it . plz dont take offence ,my tac can come off gruff at times . i do like this game , it has a spark that could change fps games forever .ppl are just pissed off at what is happening . expl scouts are better then assaults . dont they ask them selfs how will ppl play this 'what will ppl do . nother expl modded controlers . they know there in game yet all they need to do is add some sort of limiter switch in the program to not fire over set amout . like i said im not very smart to began with so what do i know right
VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 125	Posted - 2014.04.10 10:25:00 - [36] - Quote [quote=Rhydra L Wong][quote=Maximos Forcus]Asking for an ISK and asset reset is the same as asking for a complete restart of the game, as they are the principal element of the game-environment, the "EVE-DUST universe". Not wiping it will not make the rich richer, nor the poor poorer. It will actually allow the poor to make some ISK out of weapons that will not significantly help them make more ISK or be more than marginally better on the battlefield. This is effectively the same discussion as PRO vs. STD/MLT. Not fun maybe, but part of the game. If the market domination is beneficial to the "rich few", which is what I gather fro your responses, then a reset will not help "the poor" at all. Corporations will hold districts, making money faster than any corp only running battles. Lone mercs will suffer even more. In the end, it is about the ability to make ISK. So you would need a full reset of everything. would love a star wars galaxy craft style . best i ever seen
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2445	Posted - 2014.04.10 10:31:00 - [37] - Quote To all those asking for an isk wipe in here... Lol. Only if it includes an SP wipe too. Some players have more SP than others too you know, it's only.. "Fair" It should probably also included a temporary suspension of accounts for people who play too much. I say we should suspend accounts by the differential someone has played over the average of active players. So if the average play time since release is like a 1 hour per day or so and some one has played an average of 6 hours per day... Then they should be suspended for 5 hours per day x the number of days between 5/14/13 and the player market patch. You know, just to keep it all fair... Can't have some people playing more hours than others and all.
VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 125	Posted - 2014.04.10 10:33:00 - [38] - Quote you have a nice smiley day there .
anaboop NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 29	Posted - 2014.04.10 10:42:00 - [39] - Quote Maximos Forcus wrote: Asking for an ISK and asset reset is the same as asking for a complete restart of the game, as they are the principal element of the game-environment, the "EVE-DUST universe". Not wiping it will not make the rich richer, nor the poor poorer. It will actually allow the poor to make some ISK out of weapons that will not significantly help them make more ISK or be more than marginally better on the battlefield. This is effectively the same discussion as PRO vs. STD/MLT. Not fun maybe, but part of the game. If the market domination is beneficial to the "rich few", which is what I gather fro your responses, then a reset will not help "the poor" at all. Corporations will hold districts, making money faster than any corp only running battles. Lone mercs will suffer even more. In the end, it is about the ability to make ISK. So you would need a full reset of everything. Then, once DUST gets connected to EVE, allowing for player-exchange, do you reset EVE? You think that makes sense? We never asked for asset reset you suggested it in an attempt to deter us which didnt work so now your just grasping at straws. If you want to spread the wealth, then take everyones isk pool it together and spread it out evenly to each ip address or whatever. In the moment when I understand my enemy, well enough to defeat him, I also love him. And then I destroy him.
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 649	Posted - 2014.04.10 11:12:00 - [40] - Quote VALCORE72 wrote: dont care if you were a mathematician . this is a GAME where balance is need for growth . so your sayn for the higher corps it was ok to lock districts for 4 months ? never use real life in a online game will make you grey headed fast . isk and items wipe should put the market on good start . pubs and pc would be up and coming from ppl trying to farm . farming is what makes mmos and since i was told this a mmo makes sense a fresh start from a isk , item wipe wouldnt hurt . ccp let it go for far to long and when a market is added it pay for it . you do know there are corps waitn for a market just so they can buy all the officer gear for pc ? few corps are settn on over 200billion . isk wipe all the way . i would take it even when im setn on 215 mil my self well thatll put officer weapons in high demand then right? so i could charge a lot of isk for mine right? and then those corps give me wealth for my items. boom! wealth redistributed. It'll help define roles, i promise:)

deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 649	Posted - 2014.04.10 11:14:00 - [41] - Quote anaboop wrote: Maximos Forcus wrote: Asking for an ISK and asset reset is the same as asking for a complete restart of the game, as they are the principal element of the game-environment, the "EVE-DUST universe". Not wiping it will not make the rich richer, nor the poor poorer. It will actually allow the poor to make some ISK out of weapons that will not significantly help them make more ISK or be more than marginally better on the battlefield. This is effectively the same discussion as PRO vs. STD/MLT. Not fun maybe, but part of the game. If the market domination is beneficial to the "rich few", which is what I gather fro your responses, then a reset will not help "the poor" at all. Corporations will hold districts, making money faster than any corp only running battles. Lone mercs will suffer even more. In the end, it is about the ability to make ISK. So you would need a full reset of everything. Then, once DUST gets connected to EVE, allowing for player-exchange, do you reset EVE? You think that makes sense? We never asked for asset reset you suggested it in an attempt to deter us which didnt work so now your just grasping at straws. If you want to spread the wealth, then take everyones isk pool it together and spread it out evenly to each ip address or whatever. well if you isk wipe with no asset wipe, ill just buy all the proto gear i can afford and then im still more wealth than others and plus any sort of wipe would halt the growth of the player market It'll help define roles, i promise:)
Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2061	Posted - 2014.04.10 11:25:00 - [42] - Quote anaboop wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: CCP Saberwing, I only pick your name because you recently posted today. The community is whiny. Like, really whiny. Don't spend the next few builds balancing for people who won't be happy either way. Spend time adding content- PLAYER MARKET - I have 40 Thales; let me sell them. A S&D system will make it quite obvious to everyone what gear is the best and what is not being used because it is the worst. In this build, I doubt you could sell an Assault mk.0 for more than 20,000 ISK. PVE - Vastly improved NPE INTEGRATION WITH EVE ECONOMY - Dust gear manufactured in Eve; Eve resources procured [significantly more efficiently] through Dust players Like, those 3 things right there would bring this game to the next level. As hated as this idea will be isk wipe before player market Otherwise only a number of rich players will grab everything and noone else will have a chance. Only rich people are going to dislike that too. As a DUST 514 billionaire I think. . . Oh, right. I don't care. I stopped playing PC for 2 weeks and my ISK balance rose higher than when I was in a corp with paychecks. And I never played past the SP cap. Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
Drapedup Drippedout 0uter.Heaven 702	Posted - 2014.04.10 11:32:00 - [43] - Quote Maximos Forcus wrote: Asking for an ISK and asset reset is the same as asking for a complete restart of the game, as they are the principal element of the game-environment, the "EVE-DUST universe". Not wiping it will not make the rich richer, nor the poor poorer. It will actually allow the poor to make some ISK out of weapons that will not significantly help them make more ISK or be more than marginally better on the battlefield. This is effectively the same discussion as PRO vs. STD/MLT. Not fun maybe, but part of the game. If the market domination is beneficial to the "rich few", which is what I gather fro your responses, then a reset will not help "the poor" at all. Corporations will hold districts, making money faster than any corp only running battles. Lone mercs will suffer even more. In the end, it is about the ability to make ISK. So you would need a full reset of everything. Then, once DUST gets connected to EVE, allowing for player-exchange, do you reset EVE? You think that makes sense? You must be really new here. This princely element you refer to is SP as far as dust goes, not ISK. An ISK wipe is absolutely necessary due to exploits ongoing for the past 5 months. Asset wipe? Again? No. If you've been here for a while then you've earned a lot, and should keep them. Everyone has the same chance to earn assets, they are a reward for playing a match as intended whether it be PC or pub. The ill gotten ISK gains are what warrant an ISK wipe. Judging from your response you really have no knowledge of new Eden history nor grasp the lack of connection between dust and eve. If there was no ISK wipe, when officer gear or BPO's hit the market, who do you think will monopolize those assets? Please stop condemning solid ideas with ignorance. The Pro-fit Prophet AKA Mr. Gimme-yo-lunch-money AKA Dat Nikka
Maximos Forcus G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 11	Posted - 2014.04.10 11:32:00 - [44] - Quote anaboop wrote: Maximos Forcus wrote: Asking for an ISK and asset reset is the same as asking for a complete restart of the game, as they are the principal element of the game-environment, the "EVE-DUST universe". Not wiping it will not make the rich richer, nor the poor poorer. It will actually allow the poor to make some ISK out of weapons that will not significantly help them make more ISK or be more than marginally better on the battlefield. This is effectively the same discussion as PRO vs. STD/MLT. Not fun maybe, but part of the game. If the market domination is beneficial to the "rich few", which is what I gather fro your responses, then a reset will not help "the poor" at all. Corporations will hold districts, making money faster than any corp only running battles. Lone mercs will suffer even more. In the end, it is about the ability to make ISK. So you would need a full reset of everything. Then, once DUST gets connected to EVE, allowing for player-exchange, do you reset EVE? You think that makes sense? We never asked for asset reset you suggested it in an attempt to deter us which didnt work so now your just grasping at straws. If you want to spread the wealth, then take everyones isk pool it together and spread it out evenly to each ip address or whatever. I am not sure what you think my agenda is, but I did not try and deter anyone. I inferred that suggesting an ISK reset must also include an asset reset. To which you agreed. I also inferred that resetting that, will still leave a situation that has others in better, more advantageous, positions than others. So if the actual idea is to create a level playing field, you will need to go even further. And that will ultimately lead to a situation that is going to have to impact EVE, which is never going to happen. Now, if I understand Valcore correctly, the actual issue is that an open market would allow corporations (and members) that benefitted from game abuse to actually really start benefiting from it on a large scale. That sounds like a bad thing to me, too. The approach is what I have an issue with, I think your treatment to the ailment is wrong. If there are corporations that benefited from game abuse, they need to be held accountable. If CCP thinks that wasn't abuse, a reset shouldn't be executed either, as it fixes something CCP think isn't broken. So maybe you should put your alliance energy into getting that addressed directly, and not through these cloak-and-daggery ideas that actually harm honest players. Oh, and Valcore, sharing information helps people understand the issue. So for sure what you say can and will change the way I think about (certain) things.
Maximos Forcus G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 11	Posted - 2014.04.10 11:47:00 - [45] - Quote Drapedup Drippedout wrote: You must be really new here. This princely element you refer to is SP as far as dust goes, not ISK. An ISK wipe is absolutely necessary due to exploits ongoing for the past 5 months. Asset wipe? Again? No. If you've been here for a while then you've earned a lot, and should keep them. Everyone has the same chance to earn assets, they are a reward for playing a match as intended whether it be PC or pub. The ill gotten ISK gains are what warrant an ISK wipe. Judging from your response you really have no knowledge of new Eden history nor grasp the lack of connection between dust and eve. If there was no ISK wipe, when officer gear or BPO's hit the market, who do you think will monopolize those assets? Please stop condemning solid ideas with ignorance. Really new is relative, I'm sure. And I disagree with you. It is a lot about ISK. ISK allows you to get proto equipment. It allows you to play the game. Otherwise there wouldn't be so many people asking for donations, or there wouldn't be lotteries and other ISK scheme related activities,meta or otherwise. Sure, SP is important too, but not the only relevant thing by far. Rejecting an asset wipe means that you expect the market to only be available for officer's stuff, right? Or do you think that once a wipe would be announced, people wouldn't buy certain suits and weapons, hold on to them until after the reset, and sell them at maybe a 10% loss? Your reset means feck all without an asset reset. As to your other statements: the roadmap discussions are all about the EVE-DUST connection. Trying to show a deep understanding of this game and not know this seems unlikely, and if it is, you overassessed yourself. Either way, you come up short there. And if there is an issue with ISK gains because of game abuse, address it directly. See also my other post earlier (in response to anaboop).
anaboop NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 30	Posted - 2014.04.10 11:47:00 - [46] - Quote Maximos Forcus wrote: anaboop wrote: Maximos Forcus wrote: Asking for an ISK and asset reset is the same as asking for a complete restart of the game, as they are the principal element of the game-environment, the "EVE-DUST universe". Not wiping it will not make the rich richer, nor the poor poorer. It will actually allow the poor to make some ISK out of weapons that will not significantly help them make more ISK or be more than marginally better on the battlefield. This is effectively the same discussion as PRO vs. STD/MLT. Not fun maybe, but part of the game. If the market domination is beneficial to the "rich few", which is what I gather fro your responses, then a reset will not help "the poor" at all. Corporations will hold districts, making money faster than any corp only running battles. Lone mercs will suffer even more. In the end, it is about the ability to make ISK. So you would need a full reset of everything. Then, once DUST gets connected to EVE, allowing for player-exchange, do you reset EVE? You think that makes sense? We never asked for asset reset you suggested it in an attempt to deter us which didnt work so now your just grasping at straws. If you want to spread the wealth, then take everyones isk pool it together and spread it out evenly to each ip address or whatever. I am not sure what you think my agenda is, but I did not try and deter anyone. I inferred that suggesting an ISK reset must also include an asset reset. To which you agreed. I also inferred that resetting that, will still leave a situation that has others in better, more advantageous, positions than others. So if the actual idea is to create a level playing field, you will need to go even further. And that will ultimately lead to a situation that is going to have to impact EVE, which is never going to happen. Now, if I understand Valcore correctly, the actual issue is that an open market would allow corporations (and members) that benefitted from game abuse to actually really start benefiting from it on a large scale. That sounds like a bad thing to me, too. The approach is what I have an issue with, I think your treatment to the ailment is wrong. If there are corporations that benefited from game abuse, they need to be held accountable. If CCP thinks that wasn't abuse, a reset shouldn't be executed either, as it fixes something CCP think isn't broken. So maybe you should put your alliance energy into getting that addressed directly, and not through these cloak-and-daggery ideas that actually harm honest players. Oh, and Valcore, sharing information helps people understand the issue. So for sure what you say can and will change the way I think about (certain) things. Its to late to hold them accountable though, the damage is already done. The asset reset should apply only to purchased gear with isk. Remove the hoard of protogear they purchased with the ill gotten isk. It doesnt matter what u do honest players will have to get hurt in the process in order to restore a fair playing field. In the moment when I understand my enemy, well enough to defeat him, I also love him. And then I destroy him.
Rhydra L Wong POISION ROSES Caps and Mercs 17	Posted - 2014.04.10 11:55:00 - [47] - Quote Redistributing wealth is more than just passing money around. It's about putting the means/abilities of production into the hands of everyone. There are no means of production in Dust outside of clone farming and those facilities are definitely in the hands of an elite few. No amount of isk transfering will remedy that until more areas of space are opened up and everyone is given a chance at production and to sink or swim on their own after that. It's just a lack of functionality in the game that I'm sure will be greatly imrpoved upon when both worlds merge.
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Dirt Nap Squad. 784	Posted - 2014.04.10 11:57:00 - [48] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Ultimately, it all stems from people wanting this game to be awesome and fulfilling it's vision, so I'm happy to listen. However, I (and the team) agree that kneejerk reactions aren't the way forward to make that happen, and I assure you that a longer-term plan is in place. Particularly since the arrival of CCP Rouge. He'll be getting on stage at Fanfest and sharing some of that with you and I'll also be around to try and answer some of the questions you may have. I want to reiterate what I've stated in other posts before...we definitely don't intend to overhype this year and will try to keep things realistic and honest from the get-go. I look forward to some tank variety. More turrets, more playstyles, more fun. More importantly, no more soonGäó. Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2161	Posted - 2014.04.10 12:07:00 - [49] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Ultimately, it all stems from people wanting this game to be awesome and fulfilling it's vision, so I'm happy to listen. However, I (and the team) agree that kneejerk reactions aren't the way forward to make that happen, and I assure you that a longer-term plan is in place. Particularly since the arrival of CCP Rouge. He'll be getting on stage at Fanfest and sharing some of that with you and I'll also be around to try and answer some of the questions you may have. I want to reiterate what I've stated in other posts before...we definitely don't intend to overhype this year and will try to keep things realistic and honest from the get-go. A shame you have to cut back on what you can tell us because the community is so quick to jump on everything. But still understandable. I'm looking forward to fanfest. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1402	Posted - 2014.04.10 12:45:00 - [50] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: CCP Saberwing, I only pick your name because you recently posted today. The community is whiny. Like, really whiny. Don't spend the next few builds balancing for people who won't be happy either way. Spend time adding content- PLAYER MARKET - I have 40 Thales; let me sell them. A S&D system will make it quite obvious to everyone what gear is the best and what is not being used because it is the worst. In this build, I doubt you could sell an Assault mk.0 for more than 20,000 ISK. PVE - Vastly improved NPE INTEGRATION WITH EVE ECONOMY - Dust gear manufactured in Eve; Eve resources procured [significantly more efficiently] through Dust players Like, those 3 things right there would bring this game to the next level. Common sense from you lol + 1

Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 745	Posted - 2014.04.10 12:52:00 - [51] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Saberwing, would I be correct in thinking that it's misguided to suggest that CCP 'shouldn't balance and should make new content instead' because Wolfman/Remnant can't simply be repurposed to building, say, a new map? Well as neither of them are Level Designers...that would be a fairly accurate statement. :) You mean to say that 'Developers' don't just develop everything and that they instead have not only specific roles and responsibilities, but a specific talent and skill set outside of which they can't really do much of anything? ... Madness! DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Drapedup Drippedout 0uter.Heaven 703	Posted - 2014.04.10 13:42:00 - [52] - Quote Maximos Forcus wrote: Really new is relative, I'm sure. And I disagree with you. It is a lot about ISK. ISK allows you to get proto equipment. It allows you to play the game. Otherwise there wouldn't be so many people asking for donations, or there wouldn't be lotteries and other ISK scheme related activities,meta or otherwise. Sure, SP is important too, but not the only relevant thing by far. Rejecting an asset wipe means that you expect the market to only be available for officer's stuff, right? Or do you think that once a wipe would be announced, people wouldn't buy certain suits and weapons, hold on to them until after the reset, and sell them at maybe a 10% loss? Your reset means feck all without an asset reset. As to your other statements: the roadmap discussions are all about the EVE-DUST connection. Trying to show a deep understanding of this game and not know this seems unlikely, and if it is, you overassessed yourself. Either way, you come up short there. And if there is an issue with ISK gains because of game abuse, address it directly. See also my other post earlier (in response to anaboop). So much stupid, where to start....ISK does not allow you to get proto gear, SP allows you to get proto gear. ISK allows you to purchase proto gear. Correct me if I'm wrong, but starter fits "allow you to play the game" and cost no ISK. I do not expect the market to be limited to officer gear? Where did that come from? If people were smart, when an ISK wipe is announced, yes they will stockpile VAST reserves of gear. I'm ok with that, in order to get ISK back, they would still have to sell that gear. If you are familiar with economics, then a simple supply v demand explains that theory. In order to liquidate assets they would have to undercut every other seller on the market. To curb the amount of proto gear you can purchase in bulk, it wouldn't be too hard for CCP to implement a hard cap of all assets at no more than 500 of one item in any given player's inventory. An ISK wipe without an asset wipe is not a "Feck all without an asset reset", simply if you have been here and stockpiled quafe suits/officer weapons/etc...you deserve the opportunity to sell them. You cannot obtain salvage from ill gotten means, if you've been around longer you will have more. They wiped assets for uprising, so it's not like people are stockpiling from day 1 of closed beta. You talk of a road-map like CCP has a pristine track record of delivering ANYTHING they have had on the "road-map" for almost 2 years. As to your, "Trying to show a deep understanding of this game and not know this seems unlikely"...please, open mouth, insert foot. You preach at us like you are aware of the COUNTLESS threads that have been made in regards to the PC DISTRICT LOCKING (AKA Ill gotten ISK gains). And in true CCP fashion, they have remained silent on the issue, putting a band aid on the district locking. With the release of PC 2.0 SoonTM, I fully expect them to issue a statement whether anything will be done about the prior district locking, and the current (speculative) blue donut and Kane somehow abusing his CPM position. Because of the silence of CCP on this issue, it SEEMS they have brushed it under the rug, but without a statement one way or the other, there still seems to be the possibility to rectify the situation. I.E. Ask for an ISK wipe. Knowledge is power. The Pro-fit Prophet AKA Mr. Gimme-yo-lunch-money AKA Dat Nikka
VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 129	Posted - 2014.04.10 14:13:00 - [53] - Quote wouldn't have been as harsh lol but what he said lol . let them stock pile . cheapest seller will always win . like i said ccp has a spark on this game that could change fps forever . they just need to find the balance in it and they have gotten better .
Maximos Forcus G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 15	Posted - 2014.04.10 14:33:00 - [54] - Quote Drapedup Drippedout wrote: Maximos Forcus wrote: Really new is relative, I'm sure. And I disagree with you. It is a lot about ISK. ISK allows you to get proto equipment. It allows you to play the game. Otherwise there wouldn't be so many people asking for donations, or there wouldn't be lotteries and other ISK scheme related activities,meta or otherwise. Sure, SP is important too, but not the only relevant thing by far. Rejecting an asset wipe means that you expect the market to only be available for officer's stuff, right? Or do you think that once a wipe would be announced, people wouldn't buy certain suits and weapons, hold on to them until after the reset, and sell them at maybe a 10% loss? Your reset means feck all without an asset reset. As to your other statements: the roadmap discussions are all about the EVE-DUST connection. Trying to show a deep understanding of this game and not know this seems unlikely, and if it is, you overassessed yourself. Either way, you come up short there. And if there is an issue with ISK gains because of game abuse, address it directly. See also my other post earlier (in response to anaboop). So much stupid, where to start....ISK does not allow you to get proto gear, SP allows you to get proto gear. ISK allows you to purchase proto gear. Correct me if I'm wrong, but starter fits "allow you to play the game" and cost no ISK. I do not expect the market to be limited to officer gear? Where did that come from? If people were smart, when an ISK wipe is announced, yes they will stockpile VAST reserves of gear. I'm ok with that, in order to get ISK back, they would still have to sell that gear. If you are familiar with economics, then a simple supply v demand explains that theory. In order to liquidate assets they would have to undercut every other seller on the market. To curb the amount of proto gear you can purchase in bulk, it wouldn't be too hard for CCP to implement a hard cap of all assets at no more than 500 of one item in any given player's inventory. An ISK wipe without an asset wipe is not a "Feck all without an asset reset", simply if you have been here and stockpiled quafe suits/officer weapons/etc...you deserve the opportunity to sell them. You cannot obtain salvage from ill gotten means, if you've been around longer you will have more. They wiped assets for uprising, so it's not like people are stockpiling from day 1 of closed beta. You talk of a road-map like CCP has a pristine track record of delivering ANYTHING they have had on the "road-map" for almost 2 years. As to your, "Trying to show a deep understanding of this game and not know this seems unlikely"...please, open mouth, insert foot. You preach at us like you are aware of the COUNTLESS threads that have been made in regards to the PC DISTRICT LOCKING (AKA Ill gotten ISK gains). And in true CCP fashion, they have remained silent on the issue, putting a band aid on the district locking. With the release of PC 2.0 SoonTM, I fully expect them to issue a statement whether anything will be done about the prior district locking, and the current (speculative) blue donut and Kane somehow abusing his CPM position. Because of the silence of CCP on this issue, it SEEMS they have brushed it under the rug, but without a statement one way or the other, there still seems to be the possibility to rectify the situation. I.E. Ask for an ISK wipe. Knowledge is power. Edit: You've played dust for 3 mos, so I don't expect you to know most of this. And judging by your number of likes do not frequent the forums. http://dustboard.com/global/merc/Maximos_Forcus You are the funny one, right? Calling my response stupid, yet being very inconsistent in yours. 1. SP allows you to equip proto gear, ISK allows you to purchase it. Purchasing is "getting". So, ISK allows you to get proto gear. If you have 40M SP but no ISK, you're not able to get any proto gear. Hope that clears it up for you. 2. "Playing the game" is not "playing a game of Dust". Creating fits, and finding the right combination of things is a large part or the game, strongly related to the SP component. This requires ISK. Running starter fits will allow you to play a game, not the game. 3. Selling on an open market does not require anyone to undercut prices. It is a supply and demand process. Every match people lose gear, and need to replenish. If they can at a minor discount to the current NPC market they will. No need to take a hugh loss at all. Additionally, you are now also proposing a cap on inventory. Further limitations to prevent people benefiiting from a situation that wasn't addressed where it should have been, if CCP considers it a fault to begin with. And others would suffer because of it. 4. I talk of a roadmap as a roadmap, a list of things that are intended to be included, at some point. Based on a certain concept of what the game is, and where it should sit in the greater scheme of things. Pretending it doesn't exist, or isn't/won't be executed against at all is a convenient dismissal of a serious issue to consider. 5. I am aware of PC district locking, providing corps with an abundance of ISK with limited to no risk and at no cost. And I will repeat my question here, for you, to make it easier for you: does CCP consider this abuse? If not, asking for an ISK wipe is unwarrented. If so, it needs to be addressed in the context of PC district abuse. If it were abuse, it already impacted the game for months, allowing certain corps to have their people run proto in pub matches. Nothing new there... 6. My time on these forums, in the game or anywhere else for that matter is irrelevant. Asking for a wipe because of perceived abuse somewhere at some point in the game's history is completely misaligned. It will make everyone suffer more than the perceived community gain from certain corps and players getting to outbid everyone for a while.
Charlotte O'Dell Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 2357	Posted - 2014.04.10 14:39:00 - [55] - Quote If y'all think that an isk/asset reset will set vets back, you are wrong. We only stuck around this long BC we were OP enough not to go broke and not to get protostomped every game. We cannot be nerfed, I've got 34m so and 3 specializations- 3! I have several million wasted in equipment and it hasn't even set ms back. There are guys with 45m so and 6 specializations! I'd be pissed if I lost my isk, but i run cheap gear in pubs anyway, so I really wouldn't be affected... Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 130	Posted - 2014.04.10 14:55:00 - [56] - Quote wasnt trying to **** anyone off . just with the market coming soon and that 4 months of district locking make for a bad day . look we all have eough bs to put up with . hit detect . tank spawn . proto stomp. errors out the waazoo . op weapons . why add a nother head ache when its so easly fixed . this was never about makn vets upset its was about ccp responsibility to the mess they let pc become . to add a market with out a fresh isk start is just bad news . doesnt really matter lol aint like there listen to ppl anyway or at least it doesnt feel like they are . i know this is a free game ......but i want to spend money on it lol i want it to explode with awesomeness .
VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 130	Posted - 2014.04.10 14:58:00 - [57] - Quote max they did say isp gained through district locking was never intended .
Maximos Forcus G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 16	Posted - 2014.04.10 15:02:00 - [58] - Quote VALCORE72 wrote: max they did say isp gained through district locking was never intended . Thanks Val, didn't know that. Do you know if they only consider it "unintended" or abusive? I know they changed it, or are going to soon.
The Headless Horseman Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 177	Posted - 2014.04.10 15:04:00 - [59] - Quote anaboop wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: CCP Saberwing, I only pick your name because you recently posted today. The community is whiny. Like, really whiny. Don't spend the next few builds balancing for people who won't be happy either way. Spend time adding content- PLAYER MARKET - I have 40 Thales; let me sell them. A S&D system will make it quite obvious to everyone what gear is the best and what is not being used because it is the worst. In this build, I doubt you could sell an Assault mk.0 for more than 20,000 ISK. PVE - Vastly improved NPE INTEGRATION WITH EVE ECONOMY - Dust gear manufactured in Eve; Eve resources procured [significantly more efficiently] through Dust players Like, those 3 things right there would bring this game to the next level. As hated as this idea will be isk wipe before player market Otherwise only a number of rich players will grab everything and noone else will have a chance. Only rich people are going to dislike that too. FYI, the rich people have all the thales. I have over 700 officer weapons. Do an isk wipe and you can get them from my biomassed cloan. As for buying more......... I can't lose the ones I have. Been on the same thale for 6 months. If they did an isk wipe, they would have to do a FULL reset and refund all my AUR that I've spent instead of isk. NEVER gonna happen. Signed, Sealed, Delivered
VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 130	Posted - 2014.04.10 15:15:00 - [60] - Quote Maximos Forcus wrote: VALCORE72 wrote: max they did say isp gained through district locking was never intended . Thanks Val, didn't know that. Do you know if they only consider it "unintended" or abusive? I know they changed it, or are going to soon. not sure . but the road to hel is paved with good intentions .

VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 130	Posted - 2014.04.10 15:17:00 - [61] - Quote btw atim stole our post lol its on general . why cant ppl keep hush . im going to be hunted cause of this i just know it loo
Jadd Hatchen The Phoenix Federation 474	Posted - 2014.04.10 15:19:00 - [62] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: CCP Saberwing, I only pick your name because you recently posted today. The community is whiny. Like, really whiny. Don't spend the next few builds balancing for people who won't be happy either way. Spend time adding content- PLAYER MARKET - I have 40 Thales; let me sell them. A S&D system will make it quite obvious to everyone what gear is the best and what is not being used because it is the worst. In this build, I doubt you could sell an Assault mk.0 for more than 20,000 ISK. PVE - Vastly improved NPE INTEGRATION WITH EVE ECONOMY - Dust gear manufactured in Eve; Eve resources procured [significantly more efficiently] through Dust players Like, those 3 things right there would bring this game to the next level. Honestly, most of the "whining" isn't caused by the nerfs so much as by the frustration of the interfaces in this game making it so difficult to begin with that people are already in a bad mood and THEN you take away the only joyful thing that they had... even if legitimately so for balancing purpose. I agree whole-heartedly that the EVE to DUST connection needs to happen in order for this game to become anything more than it is now. That is the SINGLE hurdle to why this game is not as successful as it could be right now. But I must also re-iterate that once that is done, you need to also fix the broken interfaces. Because frustrated players are not gonna recruit friends to the game as they will have a chip on their shoulders and no one wants to do what the angy player is telling them to do.
TrueXer0z DUST University Ivy League 343	Posted - 2014.04.10 15:22:00 - [63] - Quote @CCP Saberwing - Whatever happens, don't burn out!! We are an unforgiving bunch of jerks. One way or another we will find a way to get under someone's skin because that is what we are good at. Bunch of game nerds with nothing better to do then blame everything on everyone else. This of course, doesn't take away from any of my posts outside of this thread. Director, Dust University *~Kevall Longstride for CPM1~*
Drapedup Drippedout 0uter.Heaven 706	Posted - 2014.04.10 15:58:00 - [64] - Quote TrueXer0z wrote: @CCP Saberwing - Whatever happens, don't burn out!! We are an unforgiving bunch of jerks. One way or another we will find a way to get under someone's skin because that is what we are good at. Bunch of game nerds with nothing better to do then blame everything on everyone else. This of course, doesn't take away from any of my posts outside of this thread. Why else visit the forums? My meta always on swol The Pro-fit Prophet AKA Mr. Gimme-yo-lunch-money AKA Dat Nikka
Charlotte O'Dell Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 2364	Posted - 2014.04.10 17:21:00 - [65] - Quote The rich are rich be they played the game that existed at the time. Punishing the wealthy for CCP's market design is bad business. Keep in mind I'm not rich. Rich is megacorp CEOs with billions of isk. I have 300,000,000 which is the average for moderately active PC guys. I'm middle class if anything. If you're poor in Dust, it's BC you're a kdr ***** who refuses to run anything but proto. Also, a free market will help poor players and non-fotmers. Competition will drive down the prices of everything and unpopular gear will sell for less than it does now. Yes, the rich will get richer, but the poor will end up saving money. Honestly, who cares if one corp has 2000 Thales stockpiled? Not I. I want an open market to sell the gear I don't need anymore. Face it, the rich are rich BC we are better than those who are not at playing the entire game. New guys cry BC they don't have 40mil SP. Next year 80mil won't be uncommon. Then what? You want an SP reset too? It's an RPG; I don't have 45m sp BC I don't want to play this game for 6 hours a day. Maybe 2 hours if my wife ain't around. Do y'all see me crying BC I don't have 6 proto suits? How about crying BC I have millions of isk in cal logi suits and equipment I'll never touch again. I don't care. I got what I paid for. All of you need to play the game that we have or leave; it's what the rest of us did. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
The Infected One Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 1292	Posted - 2014.04.10 17:24:00 - [66] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: The rich are rich be they played the game that existed at the time. Punishing the wealthy for CCP's market design is bad business. Keep in mind I'm not rich. Rich is megacorp CEOs with billions of isk. I have 300,000,000 which is the average for moderately active PC guys. I'm middle class if anything. If you're poor in Dust, it's BC you're a kdr ***** who refuses to run anything but proto. Also, a free market will help poor players and non-fotmers. Competition will drive down the prices of everything and unpopular gear will sell for less than it does now. Yes, the rich will get richer, but the poor will end up saving money. Honestly, who cares if one corp has 2000 Thales stockpiled? Not I. I want an open market to sell the gear I don't need anymore. Face it, the rich are rich BC we are better than those who are not at playing the entire game. New guys cry BC they don't have 40mil SP. Next year 80mil won't be uncommon. Then what? You want an SP reset too? It's an RPG; I don't have 45m sp BC I don't want to play this game for 6 hours a day. Maybe 2 hours if my wife ain't around. Do y'all see me crying BC I don't have 6 proto suits? How about crying BC I have millions of isk in cal logi suits and equipment I'll never touch again. I don't care. I got what I paid for. All of you need to play the game that we have or leave; it's what the rest of us did. Agreed. I'll post this here as well since it has the blue tag and more people will see it. Consider the following: I'm planning on spending 150 million isk on my favorite proto fits tonight. Should end up with just under 1000 of the ones I regularly run, with 160 million left in the bank. Give the players a wallet reset, give us a full asset refund while you're at it. There will always be players with millions more ISK than you. Consider this, I have 310 million ISK sitting in my wallet, 150 mill of that from farming pubs in STD and ADV gear. In the grand scheme of things among the "Rich" players I'm a broke ass chump. I am here to ask you one question, and one question only: EXPLOSIONS? --. . - + ..-. ..- -.-. -.- . -..
Rhydra L Wong POISION ROSES Caps and Mercs 18	Posted - 2014.04.10 17:41:00 - [67] - Quote One of my main problems isn't that players are "rich" ( equals constant proto in my mind) ... it's that they're EVERYWHERE and in almost every match! Stop slumming it with the rest of us. I realize top corps remain on top because of the tight squads they run and the tactics they use. It's frustrating, but also cool to see that type of play, even if it's from who is about to kill you. I'm just confused as to why you want to drive your Ferarri down my pothole riddled street in the slums of Molden Heath. I'm forced to be around a bunch of yuppie/rich pricks in my real neighborhood who "do what they want 'cuz they can" over the last few years and I sure don't need to see any more in my fantasy life. ISK wipe for sure, but a market really means nothing until crafting and recourse managment comes into play.
Charlotte O'Dell Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 2365	Posted - 2014.04.10 17:47:00 - [68] - Quote Rhydra L Wong wrote: One of my main problems isn't that players are "rich" ( equals constant proto in my mind) ... it's that they're EVERYWHERE and in almost every match! Stop slumming it with the rest of us. I realize top corps remain on top because of the tight squads they run and the tactics they use. It's frustrating, but also cool to see that type of play, even if it's from who is about to kill you. I'm just confused as to why you want to drive your Ferarri down my pothole riddled street in the slums of Molden Heath. I'm forced to be around a bunch of yuppie/rich pricks in my real neighborhood who "do what they want 'cuz they can" over the last few years and I sure don't need to see any more in my fantasy life. ISK wipe for sure, but a market really means nothing until crafting and recourse managment comes into play. I see your point, but where else do we go? PC battles are far from constant and FW reward is with LP. Those are useless. Perhaps if we got rewarded with ISK instead of LP and having a good rating with a certain faction reduced the isk cost of racial items AND we got team deploy AND the rewards for winning were always in the millions. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
lDocHollidayl Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 535	Posted - 2014.04.10 17:53:00 - [69] - Quote The balance attempt is successful. Look at the kill feeds. All kinds of weapons grace the screen. Tanks are manageable with the swarm fix. The rail nerf is not that bad...Great solution to the redline. Life is good. Honestly, nice job. Balancing all the aspects of a game this large is not easy. Thank you. If you have the time, the scanning of mines and REs...where did that come from?
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1276	Posted - 2014.04.10 17:54:00 - [70] - Quote COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: Oh you poor whiners and your precious first world problems. Boo ***** hoo, this piece of entertainment software hasn't progressed in the way your precious little desires and expectations wish they had. Now let us berate, on and belittle these people who are just ordinary people doing their job. Maybe one day when you've moved out of your parents house, when you go into the real world...the null sec of real life where you get dealt ****/rough/difficult hands--you'll learn just how pathetic it is get so frustrated at a game and so negative and rude to the people who make it. Enjoy life's high sec while it lasts lil carebears. CCP, you guys are doing a great job in my books. I know there have been massive internal changes and challenges facing the company that us forum dwellers couldn't possibly understand. 1.8 is an awesome milestone and I personally have full faith in Rouge's ability to turn things around given his pedigree and I look forward to seeing the future direction in a few weeks. Y'all get COVERT's seal of approval. First of all you can take your assumptions and shove them up your ass you condescending prick. I'm a grown man with real problems and hardships like everyone has, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to complain when I don't get what I have been promised as a paying customer. Are you the sort of person that wouldn't send an overdone steak back because "the chef tried their best"? When you are unsatisfied with a product you have purchased (and I have spent over $200 on this product) then you have a right to complain. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.

Rhydra L Wong POISION ROSES Caps and Mercs 18	Posted - 2014.04.10 18:04:00 - [71] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: I see your point, but where else do we go? PC battles are far from constant and FW reward is with LP. Those are useless. Perhaps if we got rewarded with ISK instead of LP and having a good rating with a certain faction reduced the isk cost of racial items AND we got team deploy AND the rewards for winning were always in the millions. I never really understood the need for LP either. It seemed like a way to give us a push toward FW, but the actual benefits of LP are minor. I agree that making ISK discounted items available and maintaining some sort of loyalty standings that grant different benefits over time is important to FW. Maybe no LP style discount but much larger payouts for FW would be more encouraging? Something in the current PC range. Different match types and the types of enemies killed should offer greater ISK rewards as well. I continue to reiterate that a maket without* a means of production is inherently flawed and meaningless. It will really be just another menu screen to navigate without any real imact on anyone's pocketbook. After the initial flood of rare items is over we'll be back to the same cycle we are in now.
Rhydra L Wong POISION ROSES Caps and Mercs 18	Posted - 2014.04.10 18:13:00 - [72] - Quote I forgot to answer you. Where should you go? Once the universe is expanded to the rest of the EVE universe .... anywhere you want :) .....even if it's to come back and give me a friendly kick to the teeth
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7875	Posted - 2014.04.10 18:21:00 - [73] - Quote lDocHollidayl wrote: The balance attempt is successful. Look at the kill feeds. All kinds of weapons grace the screen. Tanks are manageable with the swarm fix. The rail nerf is not that bad...Great solution to the redline. Life is good. Honestly, nice job. Balancing all the aspects of a game this large is not easy. Thank you. If you have the time, the scanning of mines and REs...where did that come from? I agree that balance wise we are much better off then before despite the multitude of bugs. I'm no longer dying to just one weapon constantly. Now I'm dying to every kind of weapon out there (mass drivers included). I'm seeing all kinds of suits being used, and skirmishes being relatively even with the uncommon lopsided match here and there. Unfortunately, it seems that Domination is starting to be lopsided again but I think that has more to do with my team sucking in general as in not wanting to contribute to the capture of the objective and holding it. Also, ambush is no longer dominated by tanks. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Leonid Tybalt Inner.Hell 453	Posted - 2014.04.10 20:27:00 - [74] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Ultimately, it all stems from people wanting this game to be awesome and fulfilling it's vision, so I'm happy to listen. However, I (and the team) agree that kneejerk reactions aren't the way forward to make that happen, and I assure you that a longer-term plan is in place. Particularly since the arrival of CCP Rouge. He'll be getting on stage at Fanfest and sharing some of that with you and I'll also be around to try and answer some of the questions you may have. I want to reiterate what I've stated in other posts before...we definitely don't intend to overhype this year and will try to keep things realistic and honest from the get-go. Avoiding overhype would be prudent. Also I think most of the players have enough imagination to realize what the ultimate vision of Dust and Eve would be like, so there's really no reason to make too much "commercial" about it. We get the potential of what can be done when these games can be fully joined. What we want to know the most right now is what we can expect in the most immediate future (I think I can speak for almost the entire playerbase with this statement).
T8R Raid BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 200	Posted - 2014.04.10 20:56:00 - [75] - Quote Maximos Forcus wrote: anaboop wrote: As hated as this idea will be isk wipe before player market Otherwise only a number of rich players will grab everything and noone else will have a chance. Only rich people are going to dislike that too. Assets and ISK are interchangeable, once there is an open market. Will you require an asset wipe as well? How about a complete reset? Wipe everything! Skills, assets, and ISK. Your concern is only relevant in the initial stages of the market. And "rich people getting everything" means their wealth becomes more distributed. Assets will continue to be generated, and the market will stabilize. If it won't, then even an ISK wipe won't. So, please expand on the motivation for this request, preferably using some real principles of economics. Because from where I am standing (a poor merc in New Eden, but with a IRL degree in economics) this doesn't make sense. I fully support the complete reset. Unchecked dishonesty can promote the perception that one must cheat to remain competitive.
anaboop NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 32	Posted - 2014.04.10 21:04:00 - [76] - Quote The Headless Horseman wrote: anaboop wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: CCP Saberwing, I only pick your name because you recently posted today. The community is whiny. Like, really whiny. Don't spend the next few builds balancing for people who won't be happy either way. Spend time adding content- PLAYER MARKET - I have 40 Thales; let me sell them. A S&D system will make it quite obvious to everyone what gear is the best and what is not being used because it is the worst. In this build, I doubt you could sell an Assault mk.0 for more than 20,000 ISK. PVE - Vastly improved NPE INTEGRATION WITH EVE ECONOMY - Dust gear manufactured in Eve; Eve resources procured [significantly more efficiently] through Dust players Like, those 3 things right there would bring this game to the next level. As hated as this idea will be isk wipe before player market Otherwise only a number of rich players will grab everything and noone else will have a chance. Only rich people are going to dislike that too. FYI, the rich people have all the thales. I have over 700 officer weapons. Do an isk wipe and you can get them from my biomassed cloan. As for buying more......... I can't lose the ones I have. Been on the same thale for 6 months. If they did an isk wipe, they would have to do a FULL reset and refund all my AUR that I've spent instead of isk. NEVER gonna happen. They at least earned them unlike the isk. I have a fair few officers weapons as well. I dont seem to understand your point, never mentioned AUR biomassed clone ? Again where that come from. It just sounds like u want your AUR back cause u wasted it. In the moment when I understand my enemy, well enough to defeat him, I also love him. And then I destroy him.
keno trader FACTION WARFARE ARMY FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 15	Posted - 2014.04.10 21:09:00 - [77] - Quote Please add the player market. I don't care if it is iinked to eve or not. In fact, just release the dust only market and worry about the eve side later. Please don't take another year to releases this (like 1.8 took).......
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3097	Posted - 2014.04.10 21:16:00 - [78] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: Ultimately, it all stems from people wanting this game to be awesome and fulfilling it's vision, so I'm happy to listen. However, I (and the team) agree that kneejerk reactions aren't the way forward to make that happen, and I assure you that a longer-term plan is in place. Particularly since the arrival of CCP Rouge. He'll be getting on stage at Fanfest and sharing some of that with you and I'll also be around to try and answer some of the questions you may have. I want to reiterate what I've stated in other posts before...we definitely don't intend to overhype this year and will try to keep things realistic and honest from the get-go. OBJECTION! Reducing Railguns from 600m to 300m was about as kneejerk as it gets, Saberwing One of the single best changes they've made in the last 6 months. A simple fix to a major problem, hard to complain when the "kneejerk reaction" actually has good results and likely required very little work in terms of dev time. Hale Satin
Glass Zeraki The Phoenix Federation 46	Posted - 2014.04.10 21:26:00 - [79] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: CCP Saberwing, I only pick your name because you recently posted today. The community is whiny. Like, really whiny. Don't spend the next few builds balancing for people who won't be happy either way. Spend time adding content- PLAYER MARKET - I have 40 Thales; let me sell them. A S&D system will make it quite obvious to everyone what gear is the best and what is not being used because it is the worst. In this build, I doubt you could sell an Assault mk.0 for more than 20,000 ISK. PVE - Vastly improved NPE INTEGRATION WITH EVE ECONOMY - Dust gear manufactured in Eve; Eve resources procured [significantly more efficiently] through Dust players Like, those 3 things right there would bring this game to the next level. +1 Sub-Director of The Phoenix Federation. Shut up or I'll mute you.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7884	Posted - 2014.04.10 21:37:00 - [80] - Quote Doing a complete ISK/asset reset will require the approval of CCP's in-house economist who knows what's best for the economy. Considering the nature of an ISK/asset wipe, I have my extreme doubts that would ever happen especially when you have to consider the amount of AUR already spent on this game by many players not just currently but also since the "official" launch of the game back in May 14 of 2013. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor

Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Dirt Nap Squad. 786	Posted - 2014.04.10 21:39:00 - [81] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: CCP Saberwing, I only pick your name because you recently posted today. The community is whiny. Like, really whiny. Don't spend the next few builds balancing for people who won't be happy either way. Spend time adding content- PLAYER MARKET - I have 40 Thales; let me sell them. A S&D system will make it quite obvious to everyone what gear is the best and what is not being used because it is the worst. In this build, I doubt you could sell an Assault mk.0 for more than 20,000 ISK. PVE - Vastly improved NPE INTEGRATION WITH EVE ECONOMY - Dust gear manufactured in Eve; Eve resources procured [significantly more efficiently] through Dust players Like, those 3 things right there would bring this game to the next level. Most of my feedback threads have been calling for this, namly the tanks. The balance problems, I think, exist because of the lack of content associated with them. It's not that the railgun is OP, but that they lack variety. They tried to give it ONE role, and that was kill anything tank(vehicles) at extreme range, and they do it VERY fast. I think the range nerf is a good indication of what is possible when it comes to railgun variety. 300M isn't so unfair to blaster and missile types, given the damage output. But increasing range makes it OP, so my opinion, drop damage significantly when increasing range beyond 300M, and increasing fire of rate. Or alternatively, decrease the rate of fire significantly. But boom, 3 railgun variants, one assault, 2 support, right there. More things for the OODA loop. Tanks - Balancing Turrets
anaboop NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 33	Posted - 2014.04.10 21:44:00 - [82] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Doing a complete ISK/asset reset will require the approval of CCP's in-house economist who knows what's best for the economy. Considering the nature of an ISK/asset wipe, I have my extreme doubts that would ever happen especially when you have to consider the amount of AUR already spent on this game by many players not just currently but also since the "official" launch of the game back in May 14 of 2013. Leave AUR assets alone, problem solved. In the moment when I understand my enemy, well enough to defeat him, I also love him. And then I destroy him.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1282	Posted - 2014.04.10 23:08:00 - [83] - Quote anaboop wrote: Maximos Forcus wrote: anaboop wrote: As hated as this idea will be isk wipe before player market Otherwise only a number of rich players will grab everything and noone else will have a chance. Only rich people are going to dislike that too. Assets and ISK are interchangeable, once there is an open market. Will you require an asset wipe as well? How about a complete reset? Wipe everything! Skills, assets, and ISK. Your concern is only relevant in the initial stages of the market. And "rich people getting everything" means their wealth becomes more distributed. Assets will continue to be generated, and the market will stabilize. If it won't, then even an ISK wipe won't. So, please expand on the motivation for this request, preferably using some real principles of economics. Because from where I am standing (a poor merc in New Eden, but with a IRL degree in economics) this doesn't make sense. I would be up for an asset wipe as well. Wouldnt bother me one bit So you think a certzin number of people should have all the rare stuff people sell bpo etc etc just to share some isk that u can make from games running militia fits? Now that doesnt make sense. Yes, sorry you weren't playing this game early on, you could have been, but you didn't. Many of us spent RL cash for aurum and BPO items. CCP better not think of even touching those items. With us beta vets holding on to these resources that we paid for we will always hold an advantage even if you wiped all the ISK and normal items from our inventory. Life is tough like that kid, invest in the ground floor of something and you make more than someone who hops on the bandwagon later. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
anaboop NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 35	Posted - 2014.04.10 23:12:00 - [84] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: anaboop wrote: Maximos Forcus wrote: anaboop wrote: As hated as this idea will be isk wipe before player market Otherwise only a number of rich players will grab everything and noone else will have a chance. Only rich people are going to dislike that too. Assets and ISK are interchangeable, once there is an open market. Will you require an asset wipe as well? How about a complete reset? Wipe everything! Skills, assets, and ISK. Your concern is only relevant in the initial stages of the market. And "rich people getting everything" means their wealth becomes more distributed. Assets will continue to be generated, and the market will stabilize. If it won't, then even an ISK wipe won't. So, please expand on the motivation for this request, preferably using some real principles of economics. Because from where I am standing (a poor merc in New Eden, but with a IRL degree in economics) this doesn't make sense. I would be up for an asset wipe as well. Wouldnt bother me one bit So you think a certzin number of people should have all the rare stuff people sell bpo etc etc just to share some isk that u can make from games running militia fits? Now that doesnt make sense. Yes, sorry you weren't playing this game early on, you could have been, but you didn't. Many of us spent RL cash for aurum and BPO items. CCP better not think of even touching those items. With us beta vets holding on to these resources that we paid for we will always hold an advantage even if you wiped all the ISK and normal items from our inventory. Life is tough like that kid, invest in the ground floor of something and you make more than someone who hops on the bandwagon later. Read on further In the thread, I stated that they leave AUR and LP purchased items alone.plus I have bpos and aur assets as well, please dont assume stuff In the moment when I understand my enemy, well enough to defeat him, I also love him. And then I destroy him.
End is Near Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 87	Posted - 2014.05.25 18:22:00 - [85] - Quote I want jets!


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