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anaboop
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Posted - 2014.04.10 08:48:00 -
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Charlotte O'Dell wrote:CCP Saberwing, I only pick your name because you recently posted today.
The community is whiny. Like, really whiny.
Don't spend the next few builds balancing for people who won't be happy either way.
Spend time adding content-
PLAYER MARKET - I have 40 Thales; let me sell them. A S&D system will make it quite obvious to everyone what gear is the best and what is not being used because it is the worst. In this build, I doubt you could sell an Assault mk.0 for more than 20,000 ISK.
PVE - Vastly improved NPE
INTEGRATION WITH EVE ECONOMY - Dust gear manufactured in Eve; Eve resources procured [significantly more efficiently] through Dust players
Like, those 3 things right there would bring this game to the next level.
As hated as this idea will be
isk wipe before player market
Otherwise only a number of rich players will grab everything and noone else will have a chance.
Only rich people are going to dislike that too.
In the moment when I understand my enemy, well enough to defeat him, I also love him. And then I destroy him.
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anaboop
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Posted - 2014.04.10 09:21:00 -
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Maximos Forcus wrote:anaboop wrote: As hated as this idea will be
isk wipe before player market
Otherwise only a number of rich players will grab everything and noone else will have a chance.
Only rich people are going to dislike that too.
Assets and ISK are interchangeable, once there is an open market. Will you require an asset wipe as well? How about a complete reset? Wipe everything! Skills, assets, and ISK. Your concern is only relevant in the initial stages of the market. And "rich people getting everything" means their wealth becomes more distributed. Assets will continue to be generated, and the market will stabilize. If it won't, then even an ISK wipe won't. So, please expand on the motivation for this request, preferably using some real principles of economics. Because from where I am standing (a poor merc in New Eden, but with a IRL degree in economics) this doesn't make sense.
I would be up for an asset wipe as well.
Wouldnt bother me one bit
So you think a certzin number of people should have all the rare stuff people sell bpo etc etc just to share some isk that u can make from games running militia fits? Now that doesnt make sense.
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anaboop
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Posted - 2014.04.10 09:28:00 -
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I would gladly give up my I think im on 315 million isk atm, to give all the poor players a better chance, also prices would be set at a reasonable price when it did come out instead of this million billion crap. Rich get richer poor get butt f**ked by bananas thats not on.
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anaboop
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Posted - 2014.04.10 10:42:00 -
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Maximos Forcus wrote:Asking for an ISK and asset reset is the same as asking for a complete restart of the game, as they are the principal element of the game-environment, the "EVE-DUST universe".
Not wiping it will not make the rich richer, nor the poor poorer. It will actually allow the poor to make some ISK out of weapons that will not significantly help them make more ISK or be more than marginally better on the battlefield. This is effectively the same discussion as PRO vs. STD/MLT. Not fun maybe, but part of the game.
If the market domination is beneficial to the "rich few", which is what I gather fro your responses, then a reset will not help "the poor" at all. Corporations will hold districts, making money faster than any corp only running battles. Lone mercs will suffer even more. In the end, it is about the ability to make ISK. So you would need a full reset of everything.
Then, once DUST gets connected to EVE, allowing for player-exchange, do you reset EVE? You think that makes sense?
We never asked for asset reset you suggested it in an attempt to deter us which didnt work so now your just grasping at straws.
If you want to spread the wealth, then take everyones isk pool it together and spread it out evenly to each ip address or whatever.
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anaboop
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Posted - 2014.04.10 11:47:00 -
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Maximos Forcus wrote:anaboop wrote:Maximos Forcus wrote:Asking for an ISK and asset reset is the same as asking for a complete restart of the game, as they are the principal element of the game-environment, the "EVE-DUST universe".
Not wiping it will not make the rich richer, nor the poor poorer. It will actually allow the poor to make some ISK out of weapons that will not significantly help them make more ISK or be more than marginally better on the battlefield. This is effectively the same discussion as PRO vs. STD/MLT. Not fun maybe, but part of the game.
If the market domination is beneficial to the "rich few", which is what I gather fro your responses, then a reset will not help "the poor" at all. Corporations will hold districts, making money faster than any corp only running battles. Lone mercs will suffer even more. In the end, it is about the ability to make ISK. So you would need a full reset of everything.
Then, once DUST gets connected to EVE, allowing for player-exchange, do you reset EVE? You think that makes sense? We never asked for asset reset you suggested it in an attempt to deter us which didnt work so now your just grasping at straws. If you want to spread the wealth, then take everyones isk pool it together and spread it out evenly to each ip address or whatever. I am not sure what you think my agenda is, but I did not try and deter anyone. I inferred that suggesting an ISK reset must also include an asset reset. To which you agreed. I also inferred that resetting that, will still leave a situation that has others in better, more advantageous, positions than others. So if the actual idea is to create a level playing field, you will need to go even further. And that will ultimately lead to a situation that is going to have to impact EVE, which is never going to happen. Now, if I understand Valcore correctly, the actual issue is that an open market would allow corporations (and members) that benefitted from game abuse to actually really start benefiting from it on a large scale. That sounds like a bad thing to me, too. The approach is what I have an issue with, I think your treatment to the ailment is wrong. If there are corporations that benefited from game abuse, they need to be held accountable. If CCP thinks that wasn't abuse, a reset shouldn't be executed either, as it fixes something CCP think isn't broken. So maybe you should put your alliance energy into getting that addressed directly, and not through these cloak-and-daggery ideas that actually harm honest players. Oh, and Valcore, sharing information helps people understand the issue. So for sure what you say can and will change the way I think about (certain) things.
Its to late to hold them accountable though, the damage is already done. The asset reset should apply only to purchased gear with isk. Remove the hoard of protogear they purchased with the ill gotten isk. It doesnt matter what u do honest players will have to get hurt in the process in order to restore a fair playing field.
In the moment when I understand my enemy, well enough to defeat him, I also love him. And then I destroy him.
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anaboop
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Posted - 2014.04.10 21:04:00 -
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The Headless Horseman wrote:anaboop wrote:Charlotte O'Dell wrote:CCP Saberwing, I only pick your name because you recently posted today.
The community is whiny. Like, really whiny.
Don't spend the next few builds balancing for people who won't be happy either way.
Spend time adding content-
PLAYER MARKET - I have 40 Thales; let me sell them. A S&D system will make it quite obvious to everyone what gear is the best and what is not being used because it is the worst. In this build, I doubt you could sell an Assault mk.0 for more than 20,000 ISK.
PVE - Vastly improved NPE
INTEGRATION WITH EVE ECONOMY - Dust gear manufactured in Eve; Eve resources procured [significantly more efficiently] through Dust players
Like, those 3 things right there would bring this game to the next level. As hated as this idea will be isk wipe before player marketOtherwise only a number of rich players will grab everything and noone else will have a chance. Only rich people are going to dislike that too. FYI, the rich people have all the thales. I have over 700 officer weapons. Do an isk wipe and you can get them from my biomassed cloan. As for buying more......... I can't lose the ones I have. Been on the same thale for 6 months. If they did an isk wipe, they would have to do a FULL reset and refund all my AUR that I've spent instead of isk. NEVER gonna happen.
They at least earned them unlike the isk. I have a fair few officers weapons as well. I dont seem to understand your point, never mentioned AUR biomassed clone ? Again where that come from.
It just sounds like u want your AUR back cause u wasted it.
In the moment when I understand my enemy, well enough to defeat him, I also love him. And then I destroy him.
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anaboop
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Posted - 2014.04.10 21:44:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Doing a complete ISK/asset reset will require the approval of CCP's in-house economist who knows what's best for the economy. Considering the nature of an ISK/asset wipe, I have my extreme doubts that would ever happen especially when you have to consider the amount of AUR already spent on this game by many players not just currently but also since the "official" launch of the game back in May 14 of 2013.
Leave AUR assets alone, problem solved.
In the moment when I understand my enemy, well enough to defeat him, I also love him. And then I destroy him.
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anaboop
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Posted - 2014.04.10 23:12:00 -
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Zahle Undt wrote:anaboop wrote:Maximos Forcus wrote:anaboop wrote: As hated as this idea will be
isk wipe before player market
Otherwise only a number of rich players will grab everything and noone else will have a chance.
Only rich people are going to dislike that too.
Assets and ISK are interchangeable, once there is an open market. Will you require an asset wipe as well? How about a complete reset? Wipe everything! Skills, assets, and ISK. Your concern is only relevant in the initial stages of the market. And "rich people getting everything" means their wealth becomes more distributed. Assets will continue to be generated, and the market will stabilize. If it won't, then even an ISK wipe won't. So, please expand on the motivation for this request, preferably using some real principles of economics. Because from where I am standing (a poor merc in New Eden, but with a IRL degree in economics) this doesn't make sense. I would be up for an asset wipe as well. Wouldnt bother me one bit So you think a certzin number of people should have all the rare stuff people sell bpo etc etc just to share some isk that u can make from games running militia fits? Now that doesnt make sense. Yes, sorry you weren't playing this game early on, you could have been, but you didn't. Many of us spent RL cash for aurum and BPO items. CCP better not think of even touching those items. With us beta vets holding on to these resources that we paid for we will always hold an advantage even if you wiped all the ISK and normal items from our inventory. Life is tough like that kid, invest in the ground floor of something and you make more than someone who hops on the bandwagon later.
Read on further In the thread, I stated that they leave AUR and LP purchased items alone.plus I have bpos and aur assets as well, please dont assume stuff
In the moment when I understand my enemy, well enough to defeat him, I also love him. And then I destroy him.
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