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Maximos Forcus G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 10	Posted - 2014.04.10 09:51:00 - [31] - Quote Asking for an ISK and asset reset is the same as asking for a complete restart of the game, as they are the principal element of the game-environment, the "EVE-DUST universe". Not wiping it will not make the rich richer, nor the poor poorer. It will actually allow the poor to make some ISK out of weapons that will not significantly help them make more ISK or be more than marginally better on the battlefield. This is effectively the same discussion as PRO vs. STD/MLT. Not fun maybe, but part of the game. If the market domination is beneficial to the "rich few", which is what I gather fro your responses, then a reset will not help "the poor" at all. Corporations will hold districts, making money faster than any corp only running battles. Lone mercs will suffer even more. In the end, it is about the ability to make ISK. So you would need a full reset of everything. Then, once DUST gets connected to EVE, allowing for player-exchange, do you reset EVE? You think that makes sense?
Rhydra L Wong POISION ROSES Caps and Mercs 12	Posted - 2014.04.10 09:53:00 - [32] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: The rich get richer, the fat get fatter and the poor gets poorer because they keep doing g the same thing that made them that way. Something tells me any Minmatar would take issue with that statement pretty severly. One might say the fat rich Amarr are going to continue to be bled out because they keep doing the same things that made them that way.......by that I mean a corpse :)
SirManBoy Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 486	Posted - 2014.04.10 09:59:00 - [33] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: CCP Saberwing, I only pick your name because you recently posted today. The community is whiny. Like, really whiny. Don't spend the next few builds balancing for people who won't be happy either way. Spend time adding content- PLAYER MARKET - I have 40 Thales; let me sell them. A S&D system will make it quite obvious to everyone what gear is the best and what is not being used because it is the worst. In this build, I doubt you could sell an Assault mk.0 for more than 20,000 ISK. PVE - Vastly improved NPE INTEGRATION WITH EVE ECONOMY - Dust gear manufactured in Eve; Eve resources procured [significantly more efficiently] through Dust players Like, those 3 things right there would bring this game to the next level. And team deploy, bro. Trust me on this one. It would make signing into this game everyday positively orgasmic. Contrary to popular belief, I believe that team deploys would result in fewer pub stomps. Sure, the ones that occur would be more severe but much fewer in number. You have not experienced fun until you have deployed with an entire side of guys you know and can communicate with. It's absolutely exhilarating and it alone would make the game experience function much closer to its potential for greatness.
Rhydra L Wong POISION ROSES Caps and Mercs 13	Posted - 2014.04.10 10:01:00 - [34] - Quote Maximos Forcus wrote: Asking for an ISK and asset reset is the same as asking for a complete restart of the game, as they are the principal element of the game-environment, the "EVE-DUST universe". Not wiping it will not make the rich richer, nor the poor poorer. It will actually allow the poor to make some ISK out of weapons that will not significantly help them make more ISK or be more than marginally better on the battlefield. This is effectively the same discussion as PRO vs. STD/MLT. Not fun maybe, but part of the game. If the market domination is beneficial to the "rich few", which is what I gather fro your responses, then a reset will not help "the poor" at all. Corporations will hold districts, making money faster than any corp only running battles. Lone mercs will suffer even more. In the end, it is about the ability to make ISK. So you would need a full reset of everything. Then, once DUST gets connected to EVE, allowing for player-exchange, do you reset EVE? You think that makes sense? My main issue with a market is that there is no crafting. I can't speak for the how things work EVE side, and perhaps this would be solved when dust meets space and we're all starstuff, but right now with my boots firmly on the ground and we aren't creating anything. Right now all assets are generated by magic out of nowhere. "cept maybe salvage. but that's not enough to keep any kind of market going. We are major intergalactic corporations with a whole universe of workers to exploit and/or enslave. We can produce goods at a much larger scale then some blacksmith in a hut somewhere chowing down on spider legs. When the production facilites actually start producing things.....then we'll have an actual marketplace.
VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 125	Posted - 2014.04.10 10:23:00 - [35] - Quote max no matter what i say will ever make any impact on you or anyone . bottom line is ccp has let some stuff go that will affect lots more then others . changing words around or tip toeing around truth for personal gain does not change the fact that bugs in the game are ignored and the few that abuse them get paid from it knowing ccp wll not do anything about it . plz dont take offence ,my tac can come off gruff at times . i do like this game , it has a spark that could change fps games forever .ppl are just pissed off at what is happening . expl scouts are better then assaults . dont they ask them selfs how will ppl play this 'what will ppl do . nother expl modded controlers . they know there in game yet all they need to do is add some sort of limiter switch in the program to not fire over set amout . like i said im not very smart to began with so what do i know right
VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 125	Posted - 2014.04.10 10:25:00 - [36] - Quote [quote=Rhydra L Wong][quote=Maximos Forcus]Asking for an ISK and asset reset is the same as asking for a complete restart of the game, as they are the principal element of the game-environment, the "EVE-DUST universe". Not wiping it will not make the rich richer, nor the poor poorer. It will actually allow the poor to make some ISK out of weapons that will not significantly help them make more ISK or be more than marginally better on the battlefield. This is effectively the same discussion as PRO vs. STD/MLT. Not fun maybe, but part of the game. If the market domination is beneficial to the "rich few", which is what I gather fro your responses, then a reset will not help "the poor" at all. Corporations will hold districts, making money faster than any corp only running battles. Lone mercs will suffer even more. In the end, it is about the ability to make ISK. So you would need a full reset of everything. would love a star wars galaxy craft style . best i ever seen
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2445	Posted - 2014.04.10 10:31:00 - [37] - Quote To all those asking for an isk wipe in here... Lol. Only if it includes an SP wipe too. Some players have more SP than others too you know, it's only.. "Fair" It should probably also included a temporary suspension of accounts for people who play too much. I say we should suspend accounts by the differential someone has played over the average of active players. So if the average play time since release is like a 1 hour per day or so and some one has played an average of 6 hours per day... Then they should be suspended for 5 hours per day x the number of days between 5/14/13 and the player market patch. You know, just to keep it all fair... Can't have some people playing more hours than others and all.
VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 125	Posted - 2014.04.10 10:33:00 - [38] - Quote you have a nice smiley day there .
anaboop NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 29	Posted - 2014.04.10 10:42:00 - [39] - Quote Maximos Forcus wrote: Asking for an ISK and asset reset is the same as asking for a complete restart of the game, as they are the principal element of the game-environment, the "EVE-DUST universe". Not wiping it will not make the rich richer, nor the poor poorer. It will actually allow the poor to make some ISK out of weapons that will not significantly help them make more ISK or be more than marginally better on the battlefield. This is effectively the same discussion as PRO vs. STD/MLT. Not fun maybe, but part of the game. If the market domination is beneficial to the "rich few", which is what I gather fro your responses, then a reset will not help "the poor" at all. Corporations will hold districts, making money faster than any corp only running battles. Lone mercs will suffer even more. In the end, it is about the ability to make ISK. So you would need a full reset of everything. Then, once DUST gets connected to EVE, allowing for player-exchange, do you reset EVE? You think that makes sense? We never asked for asset reset you suggested it in an attempt to deter us which didnt work so now your just grasping at straws. If you want to spread the wealth, then take everyones isk pool it together and spread it out evenly to each ip address or whatever. In the moment when I understand my enemy, well enough to defeat him, I also love him. And then I destroy him.
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 649	Posted - 2014.04.10 11:12:00 - [40] - Quote VALCORE72 wrote: dont care if you were a mathematician . this is a GAME where balance is need for growth . so your sayn for the higher corps it was ok to lock districts for 4 months ? never use real life in a online game will make you grey headed fast . isk and items wipe should put the market on good start . pubs and pc would be up and coming from ppl trying to farm . farming is what makes mmos and since i was told this a mmo makes sense a fresh start from a isk , item wipe wouldnt hurt . ccp let it go for far to long and when a market is added it pay for it . you do know there are corps waitn for a market just so they can buy all the officer gear for pc ? few corps are settn on over 200billion . isk wipe all the way . i would take it even when im setn on 215 mil my self well thatll put officer weapons in high demand then right? so i could charge a lot of isk for mine right? and then those corps give me wealth for my items. boom! wealth redistributed. It'll help define roles, i promise:)

deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 649	Posted - 2014.04.10 11:14:00 - [41] - Quote anaboop wrote: Maximos Forcus wrote: Asking for an ISK and asset reset is the same as asking for a complete restart of the game, as they are the principal element of the game-environment, the "EVE-DUST universe". Not wiping it will not make the rich richer, nor the poor poorer. It will actually allow the poor to make some ISK out of weapons that will not significantly help them make more ISK or be more than marginally better on the battlefield. This is effectively the same discussion as PRO vs. STD/MLT. Not fun maybe, but part of the game. If the market domination is beneficial to the "rich few", which is what I gather fro your responses, then a reset will not help "the poor" at all. Corporations will hold districts, making money faster than any corp only running battles. Lone mercs will suffer even more. In the end, it is about the ability to make ISK. So you would need a full reset of everything. Then, once DUST gets connected to EVE, allowing for player-exchange, do you reset EVE? You think that makes sense? We never asked for asset reset you suggested it in an attempt to deter us which didnt work so now your just grasping at straws. If you want to spread the wealth, then take everyones isk pool it together and spread it out evenly to each ip address or whatever. well if you isk wipe with no asset wipe, ill just buy all the proto gear i can afford and then im still more wealth than others and plus any sort of wipe would halt the growth of the player market It'll help define roles, i promise:)
Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2061	Posted - 2014.04.10 11:25:00 - [42] - Quote anaboop wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: CCP Saberwing, I only pick your name because you recently posted today. The community is whiny. Like, really whiny. Don't spend the next few builds balancing for people who won't be happy either way. Spend time adding content- PLAYER MARKET - I have 40 Thales; let me sell them. A S&D system will make it quite obvious to everyone what gear is the best and what is not being used because it is the worst. In this build, I doubt you could sell an Assault mk.0 for more than 20,000 ISK. PVE - Vastly improved NPE INTEGRATION WITH EVE ECONOMY - Dust gear manufactured in Eve; Eve resources procured [significantly more efficiently] through Dust players Like, those 3 things right there would bring this game to the next level. As hated as this idea will be isk wipe before player market Otherwise only a number of rich players will grab everything and noone else will have a chance. Only rich people are going to dislike that too. As a DUST 514 billionaire I think. . . Oh, right. I don't care. I stopped playing PC for 2 weeks and my ISK balance rose higher than when I was in a corp with paychecks. And I never played past the SP cap. Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
Drapedup Drippedout 0uter.Heaven 702	Posted - 2014.04.10 11:32:00 - [43] - Quote Maximos Forcus wrote: Asking for an ISK and asset reset is the same as asking for a complete restart of the game, as they are the principal element of the game-environment, the "EVE-DUST universe". Not wiping it will not make the rich richer, nor the poor poorer. It will actually allow the poor to make some ISK out of weapons that will not significantly help them make more ISK or be more than marginally better on the battlefield. This is effectively the same discussion as PRO vs. STD/MLT. Not fun maybe, but part of the game. If the market domination is beneficial to the "rich few", which is what I gather fro your responses, then a reset will not help "the poor" at all. Corporations will hold districts, making money faster than any corp only running battles. Lone mercs will suffer even more. In the end, it is about the ability to make ISK. So you would need a full reset of everything. Then, once DUST gets connected to EVE, allowing for player-exchange, do you reset EVE? You think that makes sense? You must be really new here. This princely element you refer to is SP as far as dust goes, not ISK. An ISK wipe is absolutely necessary due to exploits ongoing for the past 5 months. Asset wipe? Again? No. If you've been here for a while then you've earned a lot, and should keep them. Everyone has the same chance to earn assets, they are a reward for playing a match as intended whether it be PC or pub. The ill gotten ISK gains are what warrant an ISK wipe. Judging from your response you really have no knowledge of new Eden history nor grasp the lack of connection between dust and eve. If there was no ISK wipe, when officer gear or BPO's hit the market, who do you think will monopolize those assets? Please stop condemning solid ideas with ignorance. The Pro-fit Prophet AKA Mr. Gimme-yo-lunch-money AKA Dat Nikka
Maximos Forcus G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 11	Posted - 2014.04.10 11:32:00 - [44] - Quote anaboop wrote: Maximos Forcus wrote: Asking for an ISK and asset reset is the same as asking for a complete restart of the game, as they are the principal element of the game-environment, the "EVE-DUST universe". Not wiping it will not make the rich richer, nor the poor poorer. It will actually allow the poor to make some ISK out of weapons that will not significantly help them make more ISK or be more than marginally better on the battlefield. This is effectively the same discussion as PRO vs. STD/MLT. Not fun maybe, but part of the game. If the market domination is beneficial to the "rich few", which is what I gather fro your responses, then a reset will not help "the poor" at all. Corporations will hold districts, making money faster than any corp only running battles. Lone mercs will suffer even more. In the end, it is about the ability to make ISK. So you would need a full reset of everything. Then, once DUST gets connected to EVE, allowing for player-exchange, do you reset EVE? You think that makes sense? We never asked for asset reset you suggested it in an attempt to deter us which didnt work so now your just grasping at straws. If you want to spread the wealth, then take everyones isk pool it together and spread it out evenly to each ip address or whatever. I am not sure what you think my agenda is, but I did not try and deter anyone. I inferred that suggesting an ISK reset must also include an asset reset. To which you agreed. I also inferred that resetting that, will still leave a situation that has others in better, more advantageous, positions than others. So if the actual idea is to create a level playing field, you will need to go even further. And that will ultimately lead to a situation that is going to have to impact EVE, which is never going to happen. Now, if I understand Valcore correctly, the actual issue is that an open market would allow corporations (and members) that benefitted from game abuse to actually really start benefiting from it on a large scale. That sounds like a bad thing to me, too. The approach is what I have an issue with, I think your treatment to the ailment is wrong. If there are corporations that benefited from game abuse, they need to be held accountable. If CCP thinks that wasn't abuse, a reset shouldn't be executed either, as it fixes something CCP think isn't broken. So maybe you should put your alliance energy into getting that addressed directly, and not through these cloak-and-daggery ideas that actually harm honest players. Oh, and Valcore, sharing information helps people understand the issue. So for sure what you say can and will change the way I think about (certain) things.
Maximos Forcus G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 11	Posted - 2014.04.10 11:47:00 - [45] - Quote Drapedup Drippedout wrote: You must be really new here. This princely element you refer to is SP as far as dust goes, not ISK. An ISK wipe is absolutely necessary due to exploits ongoing for the past 5 months. Asset wipe? Again? No. If you've been here for a while then you've earned a lot, and should keep them. Everyone has the same chance to earn assets, they are a reward for playing a match as intended whether it be PC or pub. The ill gotten ISK gains are what warrant an ISK wipe. Judging from your response you really have no knowledge of new Eden history nor grasp the lack of connection between dust and eve. If there was no ISK wipe, when officer gear or BPO's hit the market, who do you think will monopolize those assets? Please stop condemning solid ideas with ignorance. Really new is relative, I'm sure. And I disagree with you. It is a lot about ISK. ISK allows you to get proto equipment. It allows you to play the game. Otherwise there wouldn't be so many people asking for donations, or there wouldn't be lotteries and other ISK scheme related activities,meta or otherwise. Sure, SP is important too, but not the only relevant thing by far. Rejecting an asset wipe means that you expect the market to only be available for officer's stuff, right? Or do you think that once a wipe would be announced, people wouldn't buy certain suits and weapons, hold on to them until after the reset, and sell them at maybe a 10% loss? Your reset means feck all without an asset reset. As to your other statements: the roadmap discussions are all about the EVE-DUST connection. Trying to show a deep understanding of this game and not know this seems unlikely, and if it is, you overassessed yourself. Either way, you come up short there. And if there is an issue with ISK gains because of game abuse, address it directly. See also my other post earlier (in response to anaboop).
anaboop NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 30	Posted - 2014.04.10 11:47:00 - [46] - Quote Maximos Forcus wrote: anaboop wrote: Maximos Forcus wrote: Asking for an ISK and asset reset is the same as asking for a complete restart of the game, as they are the principal element of the game-environment, the "EVE-DUST universe". Not wiping it will not make the rich richer, nor the poor poorer. It will actually allow the poor to make some ISK out of weapons that will not significantly help them make more ISK or be more than marginally better on the battlefield. This is effectively the same discussion as PRO vs. STD/MLT. Not fun maybe, but part of the game. If the market domination is beneficial to the "rich few", which is what I gather fro your responses, then a reset will not help "the poor" at all. Corporations will hold districts, making money faster than any corp only running battles. Lone mercs will suffer even more. In the end, it is about the ability to make ISK. So you would need a full reset of everything. Then, once DUST gets connected to EVE, allowing for player-exchange, do you reset EVE? You think that makes sense? We never asked for asset reset you suggested it in an attempt to deter us which didnt work so now your just grasping at straws. If you want to spread the wealth, then take everyones isk pool it together and spread it out evenly to each ip address or whatever. I am not sure what you think my agenda is, but I did not try and deter anyone. I inferred that suggesting an ISK reset must also include an asset reset. To which you agreed. I also inferred that resetting that, will still leave a situation that has others in better, more advantageous, positions than others. So if the actual idea is to create a level playing field, you will need to go even further. And that will ultimately lead to a situation that is going to have to impact EVE, which is never going to happen. Now, if I understand Valcore correctly, the actual issue is that an open market would allow corporations (and members) that benefitted from game abuse to actually really start benefiting from it on a large scale. That sounds like a bad thing to me, too. The approach is what I have an issue with, I think your treatment to the ailment is wrong. If there are corporations that benefited from game abuse, they need to be held accountable. If CCP thinks that wasn't abuse, a reset shouldn't be executed either, as it fixes something CCP think isn't broken. So maybe you should put your alliance energy into getting that addressed directly, and not through these cloak-and-daggery ideas that actually harm honest players. Oh, and Valcore, sharing information helps people understand the issue. So for sure what you say can and will change the way I think about (certain) things. Its to late to hold them accountable though, the damage is already done. The asset reset should apply only to purchased gear with isk. Remove the hoard of protogear they purchased with the ill gotten isk. It doesnt matter what u do honest players will have to get hurt in the process in order to restore a fair playing field. In the moment when I understand my enemy, well enough to defeat him, I also love him. And then I destroy him.
Rhydra L Wong POISION ROSES Caps and Mercs 17	Posted - 2014.04.10 11:55:00 - [47] - Quote Redistributing wealth is more than just passing money around. It's about putting the means/abilities of production into the hands of everyone. There are no means of production in Dust outside of clone farming and those facilities are definitely in the hands of an elite few. No amount of isk transfering will remedy that until more areas of space are opened up and everyone is given a chance at production and to sink or swim on their own after that. It's just a lack of functionality in the game that I'm sure will be greatly imrpoved upon when both worlds merge.
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Dirt Nap Squad. 784	Posted - 2014.04.10 11:57:00 - [48] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Ultimately, it all stems from people wanting this game to be awesome and fulfilling it's vision, so I'm happy to listen. However, I (and the team) agree that kneejerk reactions aren't the way forward to make that happen, and I assure you that a longer-term plan is in place. Particularly since the arrival of CCP Rouge. He'll be getting on stage at Fanfest and sharing some of that with you and I'll also be around to try and answer some of the questions you may have. I want to reiterate what I've stated in other posts before...we definitely don't intend to overhype this year and will try to keep things realistic and honest from the get-go. I look forward to some tank variety. More turrets, more playstyles, more fun. More importantly, no more soonGäó. Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2161	Posted - 2014.04.10 12:07:00 - [49] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Ultimately, it all stems from people wanting this game to be awesome and fulfilling it's vision, so I'm happy to listen. However, I (and the team) agree that kneejerk reactions aren't the way forward to make that happen, and I assure you that a longer-term plan is in place. Particularly since the arrival of CCP Rouge. He'll be getting on stage at Fanfest and sharing some of that with you and I'll also be around to try and answer some of the questions you may have. I want to reiterate what I've stated in other posts before...we definitely don't intend to overhype this year and will try to keep things realistic and honest from the get-go. A shame you have to cut back on what you can tell us because the community is so quick to jump on everything. But still understandable. I'm looking forward to fanfest. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1402	Posted - 2014.04.10 12:45:00 - [50] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: CCP Saberwing, I only pick your name because you recently posted today. The community is whiny. Like, really whiny. Don't spend the next few builds balancing for people who won't be happy either way. Spend time adding content- PLAYER MARKET - I have 40 Thales; let me sell them. A S&D system will make it quite obvious to everyone what gear is the best and what is not being used because it is the worst. In this build, I doubt you could sell an Assault mk.0 for more than 20,000 ISK. PVE - Vastly improved NPE INTEGRATION WITH EVE ECONOMY - Dust gear manufactured in Eve; Eve resources procured [significantly more efficiently] through Dust players Like, those 3 things right there would bring this game to the next level. Common sense from you lol + 1

Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 745	Posted - 2014.04.10 12:52:00 - [51] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Saberwing, would I be correct in thinking that it's misguided to suggest that CCP 'shouldn't balance and should make new content instead' because Wolfman/Remnant can't simply be repurposed to building, say, a new map? Well as neither of them are Level Designers...that would be a fairly accurate statement. :) You mean to say that 'Developers' don't just develop everything and that they instead have not only specific roles and responsibilities, but a specific talent and skill set outside of which they can't really do much of anything? ... Madness! DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Drapedup Drippedout 0uter.Heaven 703	Posted - 2014.04.10 13:42:00 - [52] - Quote Maximos Forcus wrote: Really new is relative, I'm sure. And I disagree with you. It is a lot about ISK. ISK allows you to get proto equipment. It allows you to play the game. Otherwise there wouldn't be so many people asking for donations, or there wouldn't be lotteries and other ISK scheme related activities,meta or otherwise. Sure, SP is important too, but not the only relevant thing by far. Rejecting an asset wipe means that you expect the market to only be available for officer's stuff, right? Or do you think that once a wipe would be announced, people wouldn't buy certain suits and weapons, hold on to them until after the reset, and sell them at maybe a 10% loss? Your reset means feck all without an asset reset. As to your other statements: the roadmap discussions are all about the EVE-DUST connection. Trying to show a deep understanding of this game and not know this seems unlikely, and if it is, you overassessed yourself. Either way, you come up short there. And if there is an issue with ISK gains because of game abuse, address it directly. See also my other post earlier (in response to anaboop). So much stupid, where to start....ISK does not allow you to get proto gear, SP allows you to get proto gear. ISK allows you to purchase proto gear. Correct me if I'm wrong, but starter fits "allow you to play the game" and cost no ISK. I do not expect the market to be limited to officer gear? Where did that come from? If people were smart, when an ISK wipe is announced, yes they will stockpile VAST reserves of gear. I'm ok with that, in order to get ISK back, they would still have to sell that gear. If you are familiar with economics, then a simple supply v demand explains that theory. In order to liquidate assets they would have to undercut every other seller on the market. To curb the amount of proto gear you can purchase in bulk, it wouldn't be too hard for CCP to implement a hard cap of all assets at no more than 500 of one item in any given player's inventory. An ISK wipe without an asset wipe is not a "Feck all without an asset reset", simply if you have been here and stockpiled quafe suits/officer weapons/etc...you deserve the opportunity to sell them. You cannot obtain salvage from ill gotten means, if you've been around longer you will have more. They wiped assets for uprising, so it's not like people are stockpiling from day 1 of closed beta. You talk of a road-map like CCP has a pristine track record of delivering ANYTHING they have had on the "road-map" for almost 2 years. As to your, "Trying to show a deep understanding of this game and not know this seems unlikely"...please, open mouth, insert foot. You preach at us like you are aware of the COUNTLESS threads that have been made in regards to the PC DISTRICT LOCKING (AKA Ill gotten ISK gains). And in true CCP fashion, they have remained silent on the issue, putting a band aid on the district locking. With the release of PC 2.0 SoonTM, I fully expect them to issue a statement whether anything will be done about the prior district locking, and the current (speculative) blue donut and Kane somehow abusing his CPM position. Because of the silence of CCP on this issue, it SEEMS they have brushed it under the rug, but without a statement one way or the other, there still seems to be the possibility to rectify the situation. I.E. Ask for an ISK wipe. Knowledge is power. The Pro-fit Prophet AKA Mr. Gimme-yo-lunch-money AKA Dat Nikka
VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 129	Posted - 2014.04.10 14:13:00 - [53] - Quote wouldn't have been as harsh lol but what he said lol . let them stock pile . cheapest seller will always win . like i said ccp has a spark on this game that could change fps forever . they just need to find the balance in it and they have gotten better .
Maximos Forcus G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 15	Posted - 2014.04.10 14:33:00 - [54] - Quote Drapedup Drippedout wrote: Maximos Forcus wrote: Really new is relative, I'm sure. And I disagree with you. It is a lot about ISK. ISK allows you to get proto equipment. It allows you to play the game. Otherwise there wouldn't be so many people asking for donations, or there wouldn't be lotteries and other ISK scheme related activities,meta or otherwise. Sure, SP is important too, but not the only relevant thing by far. Rejecting an asset wipe means that you expect the market to only be available for officer's stuff, right? Or do you think that once a wipe would be announced, people wouldn't buy certain suits and weapons, hold on to them until after the reset, and sell them at maybe a 10% loss? Your reset means feck all without an asset reset. As to your other statements: the roadmap discussions are all about the EVE-DUST connection. Trying to show a deep understanding of this game and not know this seems unlikely, and if it is, you overassessed yourself. Either way, you come up short there. And if there is an issue with ISK gains because of game abuse, address it directly. See also my other post earlier (in response to anaboop). So much stupid, where to start....ISK does not allow you to get proto gear, SP allows you to get proto gear. ISK allows you to purchase proto gear. Correct me if I'm wrong, but starter fits "allow you to play the game" and cost no ISK. I do not expect the market to be limited to officer gear? Where did that come from? If people were smart, when an ISK wipe is announced, yes they will stockpile VAST reserves of gear. I'm ok with that, in order to get ISK back, they would still have to sell that gear. If you are familiar with economics, then a simple supply v demand explains that theory. In order to liquidate assets they would have to undercut every other seller on the market. To curb the amount of proto gear you can purchase in bulk, it wouldn't be too hard for CCP to implement a hard cap of all assets at no more than 500 of one item in any given player's inventory. An ISK wipe without an asset wipe is not a "Feck all without an asset reset", simply if you have been here and stockpiled quafe suits/officer weapons/etc...you deserve the opportunity to sell them. You cannot obtain salvage from ill gotten means, if you've been around longer you will have more. They wiped assets for uprising, so it's not like people are stockpiling from day 1 of closed beta. You talk of a road-map like CCP has a pristine track record of delivering ANYTHING they have had on the "road-map" for almost 2 years. As to your, "Trying to show a deep understanding of this game and not know this seems unlikely"...please, open mouth, insert foot. You preach at us like you are aware of the COUNTLESS threads that have been made in regards to the PC DISTRICT LOCKING (AKA Ill gotten ISK gains). And in true CCP fashion, they have remained silent on the issue, putting a band aid on the district locking. With the release of PC 2.0 SoonTM, I fully expect them to issue a statement whether anything will be done about the prior district locking, and the current (speculative) blue donut and Kane somehow abusing his CPM position. Because of the silence of CCP on this issue, it SEEMS they have brushed it under the rug, but without a statement one way or the other, there still seems to be the possibility to rectify the situation. I.E. Ask for an ISK wipe. Knowledge is power. Edit: You've played dust for 3 mos, so I don't expect you to know most of this. And judging by your number of likes do not frequent the forums. http://dustboard.com/global/merc/Maximos_Forcus You are the funny one, right? Calling my response stupid, yet being very inconsistent in yours. 1. SP allows you to equip proto gear, ISK allows you to purchase it. Purchasing is "getting". So, ISK allows you to get proto gear. If you have 40M SP but no ISK, you're not able to get any proto gear. Hope that clears it up for you. 2. "Playing the game" is not "playing a game of Dust". Creating fits, and finding the right combination of things is a large part or the game, strongly related to the SP component. This requires ISK. Running starter fits will allow you to play a game, not the game. 3. Selling on an open market does not require anyone to undercut prices. It is a supply and demand process. Every match people lose gear, and need to replenish. If they can at a minor discount to the current NPC market they will. No need to take a hugh loss at all. Additionally, you are now also proposing a cap on inventory. Further limitations to prevent people benefiiting from a situation that wasn't addressed where it should have been, if CCP considers it a fault to begin with. And others would suffer because of it. 4. I talk of a roadmap as a roadmap, a list of things that are intended to be included, at some point. Based on a certain concept of what the game is, and where it should sit in the greater scheme of things. Pretending it doesn't exist, or isn't/won't be executed against at all is a convenient dismissal of a serious issue to consider. 5. I am aware of PC district locking, providing corps with an abundance of ISK with limited to no risk and at no cost. And I will repeat my question here, for you, to make it easier for you: does CCP consider this abuse? If not, asking for an ISK wipe is unwarrented. If so, it needs to be addressed in the context of PC district abuse. If it were abuse, it already impacted the game for months, allowing certain corps to have their people run proto in pub matches. Nothing new there... 6. My time on these forums, in the game or anywhere else for that matter is irrelevant. Asking for a wipe because of perceived abuse somewhere at some point in the game's history is completely misaligned. It will make everyone suffer more than the perceived community gain from certain corps and players getting to outbid everyone for a while.
Charlotte O'Dell Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 2357	Posted - 2014.04.10 14:39:00 - [55] - Quote If y'all think that an isk/asset reset will set vets back, you are wrong. We only stuck around this long BC we were OP enough not to go broke and not to get protostomped every game. We cannot be nerfed, I've got 34m so and 3 specializations- 3! I have several million wasted in equipment and it hasn't even set ms back. There are guys with 45m so and 6 specializations! I'd be pissed if I lost my isk, but i run cheap gear in pubs anyway, so I really wouldn't be affected... Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 130	Posted - 2014.04.10 14:55:00 - [56] - Quote wasnt trying to **** anyone off . just with the market coming soon and that 4 months of district locking make for a bad day . look we all have eough bs to put up with . hit detect . tank spawn . proto stomp. errors out the waazoo . op weapons . why add a nother head ache when its so easly fixed . this was never about makn vets upset its was about ccp responsibility to the mess they let pc become . to add a market with out a fresh isk start is just bad news . doesnt really matter lol aint like there listen to ppl anyway or at least it doesnt feel like they are . i know this is a free game ......but i want to spend money on it lol i want it to explode with awesomeness .
VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 130	Posted - 2014.04.10 14:58:00 - [57] - Quote max they did say isp gained through district locking was never intended .
Maximos Forcus G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 16	Posted - 2014.04.10 15:02:00 - [58] - Quote VALCORE72 wrote: max they did say isp gained through district locking was never intended . Thanks Val, didn't know that. Do you know if they only consider it "unintended" or abusive? I know they changed it, or are going to soon.
The Headless Horseman Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 177	Posted - 2014.04.10 15:04:00 - [59] - Quote anaboop wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: CCP Saberwing, I only pick your name because you recently posted today. The community is whiny. Like, really whiny. Don't spend the next few builds balancing for people who won't be happy either way. Spend time adding content- PLAYER MARKET - I have 40 Thales; let me sell them. A S&D system will make it quite obvious to everyone what gear is the best and what is not being used because it is the worst. In this build, I doubt you could sell an Assault mk.0 for more than 20,000 ISK. PVE - Vastly improved NPE INTEGRATION WITH EVE ECONOMY - Dust gear manufactured in Eve; Eve resources procured [significantly more efficiently] through Dust players Like, those 3 things right there would bring this game to the next level. As hated as this idea will be isk wipe before player market Otherwise only a number of rich players will grab everything and noone else will have a chance. Only rich people are going to dislike that too. FYI, the rich people have all the thales. I have over 700 officer weapons. Do an isk wipe and you can get them from my biomassed cloan. As for buying more......... I can't lose the ones I have. Been on the same thale for 6 months. If they did an isk wipe, they would have to do a FULL reset and refund all my AUR that I've spent instead of isk. NEVER gonna happen. Signed, Sealed, Delivered
VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 130	Posted - 2014.04.10 15:15:00 - [60] - Quote Maximos Forcus wrote: VALCORE72 wrote: max they did say isp gained through district locking was never intended . Thanks Val, didn't know that. Do you know if they only consider it "unintended" or abusive? I know they changed it, or are going to soon. not sure . but the road to hel is paved with good intentions .



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