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Eurydice Itzhak Providence Guard Templis CALSF 371	Posted - 2014.03.26 06:50:00 - [1] - Quote Quit playing for a few months because of the tank patch. Railguns stupid OP. LAVs worthless. 0 sp mlt tanks 100% as combat effective as 20m sp tanks. Have any of these been addressed?
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 865	Posted - 2014.03.26 06:51:00 - [2] - Quote No. I just ignore the immortal tanks. I don't need luck, I have ammo. Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep. CEO of We Who Walk Alone
Eurydice Itzhak Providence Guard Templis CALSF 371	Posted - 2014.03.26 06:53:00 - [3] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: No. I just ignore the immortal tanks. Vehicle specialist here. Quit playing dust due to the increased frailty of vehicles. Railgun OP.

CCP Saberwing C C P C C P Alliance 2825	Posted - 2014.03.26 06:53:00 - [4] - Quote Eurydice Itzhak wrote: Quit playing for a few months because of the tank patch. Railguns stupid OP. LAVs worthless. 0 sp mlt tanks 100% as combat effective as 20m sp tanks. Have any of these been addressed? We're looking at running a hotfix (hopefully by the end of this week - but if not then next week) to address some concerns. CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian

Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 303	Posted - 2014.03.26 06:54:00 - [5] - Quote not true, the SP does pay off if spent well there's way less AV atm less tanks, dropships got good enough where people are crying nerf u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 2430	Posted - 2014.03.26 06:57:00 - [6] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Eurydice Itzhak wrote: Quit playing for a few months because of the tank patch. Railguns stupid OP. LAVs worthless. 0 sp mlt tanks 100% as combat effective as 20m sp tanks. Have any of these been addressed? We're looking at running a hotfix (hopefully by the end of this week - but if not then next week) to address some concerns. Are you addressing the issue that vehicle users are receiving war points for vehicle damage. This creates a payout disparity which enourages greater tank spam. Video: I don't always fight dropships, but when I do...
Eurydice Itzhak Providence Guard Templis CALSF 371	Posted - 2014.03.26 06:59:00 - [7] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Eurydice Itzhak wrote: Quit playing for a few months because of the tank patch. Railguns stupid OP. LAVs worthless. 0 sp mlt tanks 100% as combat effective as 20m sp tanks. Have any of these been addressed? We're looking at running a hotfix (hopefully by the end of this week - but if not then next week) to address some concerns. Very surprised for a dev response haha. I know the community is screaming for infantry based AV to be more effective and I can dig it but vehicle based AV is hilariously strong. If railguns are nerfed in a large way and mlt vehicles have more drawbacks than just cooldowns you'll have two returning players on your hands. Any specifics on the hotfix? Or any general ideas? Or possibly cryptic haiku?
Emerald Bellerophon Nenikekamen 114	Posted - 2014.03.26 07:03:00 - [8] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Eurydice Itzhak wrote: Quit playing for a few months because of the tank patch. Railguns stupid OP. LAVs worthless. 0 sp mlt tanks 100% as combat effective as 20m sp tanks. Have any of these been addressed? We're looking at running a hotfix (hopefully by the end of this week - but if not then next week) to address some concerns. People have been complaining about this for more than three months, and now you're thinking about a hotfix sometime in the next week? Seriously? Don't tell me you've been on vacation this entire time.

CCP Saberwing C C P C C P Alliance 2825	Posted - 2014.03.26 07:03:00 - [9] - Quote I can't elaborate more at this stage (simply because I'm not aware precisely what these fixes would entail yet), but I know that the guys are taking a look at it. CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian


CCP Saberwing C C P C C P Alliance 2825	Posted - 2014.03.26 07:04:00 - [10] - Quote Emerald Bellerophon wrote: Seriously? Don't tell me you've been on vacation this entire time. These kinds of statements aren't really constructive, we've been working at pulling together the content for 1.8 too (of which there is a lot). CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian


Eurydice Itzhak Providence Guard Templis CALSF 371	Posted - 2014.03.26 07:09:00 - [11] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: I can't elaborate more at this stage (simply because I'm not aware precisely what these fixes would entail yet), but I know that the guys are taking a look at it. Vague but hopefully something good will come out of it. I appreciate the replies and ill check back over the next few weeks for this hotfix. Have a good night/day. P.s. If it only addresses infantry AV ill cry and blame you for getting my hopes up
Eurydice Itzhak Providence Guard Templis CALSF 371	Posted - 2014.03.26 07:13:00 - [12] - Quote Zirzo Valcyn wrote: not true, the SP does pay off if spent well there's way less AV atm less tanks, dropships got good enough where people are crying nerf Also i dont want to make YET ANOTHER thread about this but not really. With my 15m sp spent I have better cooldowns and some small quality of life improvements but nothing that gives any edge over 0 sp tanks in a head on fight.
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 689	Posted - 2014.03.26 07:43:00 - [13] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Emerald Bellerophon wrote: Seriously? Don't tell me you've been on vacation this entire time. These kinds of statements aren't really constructive, we've been working at pulling together the content for 1.8 too (of which there is a lot). If they're not working toward making webifiers function, then the only other thing I could think of would be to reduce vehicle speed by about 10-15% and eliminate the ADV and PRO variants of tank turrets, instead having the damage scale as a reflection of skill level in the respective gear... the maximum would have to be below ADV level of power, as currently the PRO level weaponry is just absurd and unnecessary... But that would in turn create problems with fitting vs power and cost. Hardeners are also a terse area, but if tank weaponry is reduced as mentioned above, the need for 2 hardeners at the same time just to survive a barrage would be removed, and would allow infantry a bit of a comeback without fully stomping down the tanks. Also, the WP for damaging tanks may cause a shift in favor of AV over the next few weeks. If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming
Emerald Bellerophon Nenikekamen 114	Posted - 2014.03.26 07:44:00 - [14] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Emerald Bellerophon wrote: Seriously? Don't tell me you've been on vacation this entire time. These kinds of statements aren't really constructive, we've been working at pulling together the content for 1.8 too (of which there is a lot). I've been calling you out for non-responsiveness and a tin-ear toward the community for more than 10 months. Don't give me your crap about being not constructive. Many more forum-posters than myself have been abundantly constructive on this issue, and you've managed to do jack ****. Get your house together already. You've had plenty time to do it, but you've failed abjectly. Personally, I'd rather keep playing Chromosome than try out 1.8 for all the one-step-forward two-steps-back treatment you've given this game.
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 689	Posted - 2014.03.26 07:46:00 - [15] - Quote Emerald Bellerophon wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: Emerald Bellerophon wrote: Seriously? Don't tell me you've been on vacation this entire time. These kinds of statements aren't really constructive, we've been working at pulling together the content for 1.8 too (of which there is a lot). I've been calling you out for non-responsiveness and a tin-ear toward the community for more than 10 months. Don't give me your crap about being not constructive. Many more forum-posters than myself have been abundantly constructive on this issue, and you've managed to do jack ***. Get your house together already. You've had plenty time to do it, but you've failed abjectly. Personally, I'd rather keep playing Chromosome than try out 1.8 for all the one-step-forward two-steps-back treatment you've given this game. Not being constructive means your post has no suggestions or solutions presented. If you can read this, it means you are reading.* Unless you are skimming
Emerald Bellerophon Nenikekamen 114	Posted - 2014.03.26 07:51:00 - [16] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Emerald Bellerophon wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: Emerald Bellerophon wrote: Seriously? Don't tell me you've been on vacation this entire time. These kinds of statements aren't really constructive, we've been working at pulling together the content for 1.8 too (of which there is a lot). I've been calling you out for non-responsiveness and a tin-ear toward the community for more than 10 months. Don't give me your crap about being not constructive. Many more forum-posters than myself have been abundantly constructive on this issue, and you've managed to do jack ****. Get your house together already. You've had plenty time to do it, but you've failed abjectly. Personally, I'd rather keep playing Chromosome than try out 1.8 for all the one-step-forward two-steps-back treatment you've given this game. Not being constructive means your post has no suggestions or solutions presented. Then look at my previous posts, or any well-esteemed posts from the last year. Otherwise, tell me and any other of the half-brained likely-drunken irrational rage-QQs since the beginning of December why they should type out the same thing that has been said over and over and over again for your personal satisfaction.
Martin0 Brancaleone Maphia Clan Corporation 503	Posted - 2014.03.26 07:55:00 - [17] - Quote I've returned recently to dust and tried out tanks to see if they really are so broken. IMO there are 2 things that are broken about tanks. Large railguns. High alpha damage AND high dps is just too good. Overdrive booster-thingie. I tried it and Loled. It's stupidly powerful. Is this module that makes tank invincible as they can just turn it on and run at ridiculous speed. Cut the overdrive speed bonus by 30-40% (maybe even 50%) and tanks will be fine, good tankers will plan ahead their escape and scrubs will just die.
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 305	Posted - 2014.03.26 08:00:00 - [18] - Quote Eurydice Itzhak wrote: Zirzo Valcyn wrote: not true, the SP does pay off if spent well there's way less AV atm less tanks, dropships got good enough where people are crying nerf Also i dont want to make YET ANOTHER thread about this but not really. With my 15m sp spent I have better cooldowns and some small quality of life improvements but nothing that gives any edge over 0 sp tanks in a head on fight. well thats the trick tho is to not go head on with a rail tank. it's really the only counter to a 15m DS.. this guy ran out of swarms on my hovering grimness so i landed and massholed him if you get over the tank then you can own it especially with a gunner. there hasn't been much tank tonight u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189
Emerald Bellerophon Nenikekamen 114	Posted - 2014.03.26 08:53:00 - [19] - Quote Martin0 Brancaleone wrote: I've returned recently to dust and tried out tanks to see if they really are so broken. IMO there are 2 things that are broken about tanks. Large railguns. High alpha damage AND high dps is just too good. Overdrive booster-thingie. I tried it and Loled. It's stupidly powerful. Is this module that makes tank invincible as they can just turn it on and run at ridiculous speed. Cut the overdrive speed bonus by 30-40% (maybe even 50%) and tanks will be fine, good tankers will plan ahead their escape and scrubs will just die. THANK YOU. You've said pretty much the only thing I've seen rationally said about vehicles being OP for months; no more, no less. Evidently our dear Saberwing has yet to bother to listen to these things in their now-quite-historical contest, and after an extended period of barely-disguised overt laziness on the part of the CCP devs, decides to try to assuage our eminently-reasonable fears with obviously-empty platitudes to the contrary. I might hope that this could serve as a wake-up call about the incompetence among the devs at CCP (which extends well beyond the glaringly-persistent imbalance-into-ridiculous recent apologies by an oft-quoted but questionally-revered individual sometimes known as "IWS"), but apparently multiple months of "vacation" have done stunningly little to establish the reality of this much-vaunted balance, or any other signs that this is other than a half-bit FPS perpetuated by a group of morons, except for those moments that "IWS" and others continue to defend it on substantive grounds beyond their own self-aggrandizement, which just so happen not t exist as far as I've been able to tell. I suppose I shouldn't aggrandize myself just now, but I do feel some entitlement so far as I have been a player whose patience has already exceeded that of the 'normal' gamer upon which you (CCP!) might expand your revenues to a reasonable level, and so far as someone who might or might not have funneled similar revenues to your doorstop in the belief that you don't entirely suck at your jobs: You suck at your jobs. I can't possibly be the least invested in the fate of DUST 514, considering the hours I have given to it, and I can't possibly be the only one out of patience with how the development of this game has gone, considering the tenor of the forums in general since I decided to stop playing, and in consideration of those two things, I can tell you that I have no future even nearly-comparable to that of EVE's, and that you'd likely be better-off listening to anyone other than the members of your vaunted CPM and their respective sycophants than you would a community calling for other obvious changes and not massaging your undeserved egoes.

CCP Saberwing C C P C C P Alliance 2830	Posted - 2014.03.26 09:02:00 - [20] - Quote Martin0 Brancaleone wrote: I've returned recently to dust and tried out tanks to see if they really are so broken. IMO there are 2 things that are broken about tanks. Large railguns. High alpha damage AND high dps is just too good. Overdrive booster-thingie. I tried it and Loled. It's stupidly powerful. Is this module that makes tank invincible as they can just turn it on and run at ridiculous speed. Cut the overdrive speed bonus by 30-40% (maybe even 50%) and tanks will be fine, good tankers will plan ahead their escape and scrubs will just die. As I mentioned, we'll be looking at rolling out a hotfix for Vehicles over the next week or so. :) CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian


Jastad D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 658	Posted - 2014.03.26 09:06:00 - [21] - Quote The first hot fix is give AV the 1,6 DMG. Give me back my old forge charge time. Seeing a Madrugar FULL rep between shot is real bullshit. Amarr SCR user. Believe in the FORGE, young padawans C'èSoloDoloreSuCharlie
Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 760	Posted - 2014.03.26 09:14:00 - [22] - Quote Jastad wrote: The first hot fix is give AV the 1,6 DMG. Give me back my old forge charge time. Seeing a Madrugar FULL rep between shot is real bullshit. This would be a start yes. Also removing the vehicle recall functionality outside the redline, so that when you're taking tremendous fire and think you can't escape you can just step out of your tank and make it disappear.
Emerald Bellerophon Nenikekamen 114	Posted - 2014.03.26 09:16:00 - [23] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Martin0 Brancaleone wrote: I've returned recently to dust and tried out tanks to see if they really are so broken. IMO there are 2 things that are broken about tanks. Large railguns. High alpha damage AND high dps is just too good. Overdrive booster-thingie. I tried it and Loled. It's stupidly powerful. Is this module that makes tank invincible as they can just turn it on and run at ridiculous speed. Cut the overdrive speed bonus by 30-40% (maybe even 50%) and tanks will be fine, good tankers will plan ahead their escape and scrubs will just die. As I mentioned, we'll be looking at rolling out a hotfix for Vehicles over the next week or so. :) We? Who is we? Would that be happen to be the same people who've been bungling this game for almost a year now, or does "we" happen to include some prodigious newcomers whose efforts will (beyoud the awareness of the community?) miraculously come to pass? Jastad wrote: The first hot fix is give AV the 1,6 DMG. Give me back my old forge charge time. Seeing a Madrugar FULL rep between shot is real bullshit. This should be the first evidence that you really can't bother reassuring myself or anyone else. We've been there for your changes and we've been there for your neglect, and we're tired of the fact that the former has also included the latter. Don't bother to give me smileyfaces until I can be arsed to smileyface myself, and you are just aboui 12 months too late for that.
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone 1011	Posted - 2014.03.26 09:16:00 - [24] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Eurydice Itzhak wrote: Quit playing for a few months because of the tank patch. Railguns stupid OP. LAVs worthless. 0 sp mlt tanks 100% as combat effective as 20m sp tanks. Have any of these been addressed? We're looking at running a hotfix (hopefully by the end of this week - but if not then next week) to address some concerns. Can we have some info on what y'all are considering? Best PVE idea I've seen. Fixed link.
The Robot Devil Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 2157	Posted - 2014.03.26 09:22:00 - [25] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Eurydice Itzhak wrote: Quit playing for a few months because of the tank patch. Railguns stupid OP. LAVs worthless. 0 sp mlt tanks 100% as combat effective as 20m sp tanks. Have any of these been addressed? We're looking at running a hotfix (hopefully by the end of this week - but if not then next week) to address some concerns. Sweet zombie Jesus please work it out this week, the QQ is making the battlefield all muddy and I am tired of getting mud on my rep tool! #logilove "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
Jastad D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 661	Posted - 2014.03.26 09:29:00 - [26] - Quote Justicar Karnellia wrote: Jastad wrote: The first hot fix is give AV the 1,6 DMG. Give me back my old forge charge time. Seeing a Madrugar FULL rep between shot is real bullshit. This would be a start yes. Also removing the vehicle recall functionality outside the redline, so that when you're taking tremendous fire and think you can't escape you can just step out of your tank and make it disappear. i'm also for removing the recall function, let's people recall Tanks only near a depot. Amarr SCR user. Believe in the FORGE, young padawans C'èSoloDoloreSuCharlie
The Robot Devil Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 2157	Posted - 2014.03.26 09:33:00 - [27] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: I can't elaborate more at this stage (simply because I'm not aware precisely what these fixes would entail yet), but I know that the guys are taking a look at it. To me, the best way to do it would be to change the fitting costs on vehicle modules and make it where the pilots have to choose between speed, DPS or EHP. I am not all in for the speed change idea because vehicles should be able to run and hide just like infantry. A small nerf may be in order for speed mods but too much of a nerf to them wouldn't allow good pilots to escape destruction. I am not a pilot but I don't want good pilots to be overly punished because people don't work together to achieve their desired goals. Thanks for posting, every blue tag we see shows the community that you are here and listening to us. Thanks for the hard work and I am really enjoying 1.8. I have heard more laughing and giggling over coms today because of the cloak than I have in over a year. It is in a good spot. Scouts feel empowered and non scouts are nervous. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 1731	Posted - 2014.03.26 09:43:00 - [28] - Quote Emerald Bellerophon wrote: Would that be happen to be the same people who've been bungling this game for almost a year now, or does "we" happen to include some prodigious newcomers whose efforts will (beyondthe awareness of the community?) miraculously come to pass?..................This should be the first evidence that you really can't bother reassuring myself or anyone else. We've been there for your changes and we've been there for your neglect, and we're tired of the fact that the former has also included the latter. I feel your frustration too, but when I saw Sabrewings post; I saw an opportunity to give feedback, where you saw an opportunity to give abuse. One of these approaches has a better chance to improve things. Do you want to fix tanks or upset people? Everything Dropship youtube channel my Community Spotlight
Fyra Yacile Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 48	Posted - 2014.03.26 10:53:00 - [29] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Eurydice Itzhak wrote: Quit playing for a few months because of the tank patch. Railguns stupid OP. LAVs worthless. 0 sp mlt tanks 100% as combat effective as 20m sp tanks. Have any of these been addressed? We're looking at running a hotfix (hopefully by the end of this week - but if not then next week) to address some concerns. **** off 4 months ... it should've been sorted in Jan .. go back on holiday
CLONE ALPHA 001 Ultramarine Corp 15	Posted - 2014.03.26 10:54:00 - [30] - Quote i see ppl crying because they can't take a tank out by themselves. ITS A TANK you shouldn't be able to kill it buy your self. get a friend in your squad.

Fyra Yacile Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 48	Posted - 2014.03.26 10:55:00 - [31] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Emerald Bellerophon wrote: Would that be happen to be the same people who've been bungling this game for almost a year now, or does "we" happen to include some prodigious newcomers whose efforts will (beyondthe awareness of the community?) miraculously come to pass?..................This should be the first evidence that you really can't bother reassuring myself or anyone else. We've been there for your changes and we've been there for your neglect, and we're tired of the fact that the former has also included the latter. I feel your frustration too, but when I saw Sabrewings post; I saw an opportunity to give feedback, where you saw an opportunity to give abuse. One of these approaches has a better chance to improve things. Do you want to fix tanks or upset people? Theyve had 4 months of feedback so actually neither way is best as CCP don't do anything either way
Fyra Yacile Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 48	Posted - 2014.03.26 10:57:00 - [32] - Quote CLONE ALPHA 001 wrote: i see ppl crying because they can't take a tank out by themselves. ITS A TANK you shouldn't be able to kill it buy your self. get a friend in your squad. Tanks should need teamwork to kill 1 infantryman then coz THEY ARE INFANTRY
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 272	Posted - 2014.03.26 11:08:00 - [33] - Quote Jastad wrote: The first hot fix is give AV the 1,6 DMG. Give me back my old forge charge time. Seeing a Madrugar FULL rep between shot is real bullshit. This would make every vehicle that isn't double or triple hardened completely useless, and it would not affect double or triple hardened vehicles in any way, so how is that any sort of balancing? R.I.P. Pre-1.7 tanks, you will be missed.
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 272	Posted - 2014.03.26 11:09:00 - [34] - Quote Jastad wrote: Justicar Karnellia wrote: Jastad wrote: The first hot fix is give AV the 1,6 DMG. Give me back my old forge charge time. Seeing a Madrugar FULL rep between shot is real bullshit. This would be a start yes. Also removing the vehicle recall functionality outside the redline, so that when you're taking tremendous fire and think you can't escape you can just step out of your tank and make it disappear. i'm also for removing the recall function, let's people recall Tanks only near a depot. First make depots available to tanks. R.I.P. Pre-1.7 tanks, you will be missed.
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 272	Posted - 2014.03.26 11:12:00 - [35] - Quote CLONE ALPHA 001 wrote: i see ppl crying because they can't take a tank out by themselves. ITS A TANK you shouldn't be able to kill it buy your self. get a friend in your squad. Sorry about possible triple post (on my phone) but you are fcking stupid. 1v1 should always be fair and about skill and gear level. R.I.P. Pre-1.7 tanks, you will be missed.
Martin0 Brancaleone Maphia Clan Corporation 507	Posted - 2014.03.26 11:28:00 - [36] - Quote CLONE ALPHA 001 wrote: i see ppl crying because they can't take a tank out by themselves. ITS A TANK you shouldn't be able to kill it buy your self. get a friend in your squad. I laugh every time someone thinks that he should be able to destry a tank alone while the hardeners are on. The problem NOW is that 2-3 people working toghether can't kill a tank because of the ridiculous speed boost from overdrives, once your health is low activate the overdrive and enter the plaid zone, no brain required. That's what pisses off people. I want tanks and infantry to be balanced and FUN, i joined Dust514 on 25/5/2012 and played since then. I played a both a Blaster Surya (when missiles were so op that they oneshotted infantry with SPALSH) and proto forgeguns. and I WANT THIS GAME TO BE FUN AND BALANCED, fotm chasers can go **** themselves.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1953	Posted - 2014.03.26 11:30:00 - [37] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Eurydice Itzhak wrote: Quit playing for a few months because of the tank patch. Railguns stupid OP. LAVs worthless. 0 sp mlt tanks 100% as combat effective as 20m sp tanks. Have any of these been addressed? We're looking at running a hotfix (hopefully by the end of this week - but if not then next week) to address some concerns. There aren't many concerns. Just that it seems a Sica is as good as my Madrugar with a PRO rail at destroying other tanks. Makes my blood boil to see some slob in a MLT tank nearly destroy me in as many shots as I'm throwing at him. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1953	Posted - 2014.03.26 11:31:00 - [38] - Quote Martin0 Brancaleone wrote: CLONE ALPHA 001 wrote: i see ppl crying because they can't take a tank out by themselves. ITS A TANK you shouldn't be able to kill it buy your self. get a friend in your squad. I laugh every time someone thinks that he should be able to destry a tank alone while the hardeners are on. The problem NOW is that 2-3 people working toghether can't kill a tank because of the ridiculous speed boost from overdrives, once your health is low activate the overdrive and enter the plaid zone, no brain required. That's what pisses off people. I want tanks and infantry to be balanced and FUN, i joined Dust514 on 25/5/2012 and played since then. I played a both a Blaster Surya (when missiles were so op that they oneshotted infantry with SPALSH) and proto forgeguns. and I WANT THIS GAME TO BE FUN AND BALANCED, fotm chasers can go **** themselves. So tanks should lose their nuclear power plant and get an environmentally-friendly electric drive? Oh, and missiles haven't been OP since before Chrome. I think even the build before that one. So we're talking about well over a year ago. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2260	Posted - 2014.03.26 11:42:00 - [39] - Quote CLONE ALPHA 001 wrote: i see ppl crying because they can't take a tank out by themselves. ITS A TANK you shouldn't be able to kill it buy your self. get a friend in your squad. How many people are driving and operating that tank? 1 How many people bought and paid for that tank? 1 How many people skilled into using the tank? 1 How many people should it take to kill 1 Scout? 1 How many people should it take to kill 1 Assault? 1 How many people should it take to kill 1 Sentinel? 1 How many people should it take to dispose of a LAV? 1 How many people should it take to disposs of a DS? 1 How many people should it take to dispose of a HAV? 3? And you don't see the mathematical conundrum that arises from that? Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Paran Tadec The Hetairoi 2053	Posted - 2014.03.26 11:54:00 - [40] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Martin0 Brancaleone wrote: I've returned recently to dust and tried out tanks to see if they really are so broken. IMO there are 2 things that are broken about tanks. Large railguns. High alpha damage AND high dps is just too good. Overdrive booster-thingie. I tried it and Loled. It's stupidly powerful. Is this module that makes tank invincible as they can just turn it on and run at ridiculous speed. Cut the overdrive speed bonus by 30-40% (maybe even 50%) and tanks will be fine, good tankers will plan ahead their escape and scrubs will just die. As I mentioned, we'll be looking at rolling out a hotfix for Vehicles over the next week or so. :) Just ^^^(^%^$^$ fix swarms already. Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!

Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Dirt Nap Squad. 676	Posted - 2014.03.26 12:30:00 - [41] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Eurydice Itzhak wrote: Quit playing for a few months because of the tank patch. Railguns stupid OP. LAVs worthless. 0 sp mlt tanks 100% as combat effective as 20m sp tanks. Have any of these been addressed? We're looking at running a hotfix (hopefully by the end of this week - but if not then next week) to address some concerns. I wish us vehicle users could get a heads up BEFORE you go fuckin **** up. I would very much like to know what's being "nerfed" before hand so I can prepare for it appropriately. Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Dirt Nap Squad. 676	Posted - 2014.03.26 12:32:00 - [42] - Quote MarasdF Loron wrote: Jastad wrote: Justicar Karnellia wrote: Jastad wrote: The first hot fix is give AV the 1,6 DMG. Give me back my old forge charge time. Seeing a Madrugar FULL rep between shot is real bullshit. This would be a start yes. Also removing the vehicle recall functionality outside the redline, so that when you're taking tremendous fire and think you can't escape you can just step out of your tank and make it disappear. i'm also for removing the recall function, let's people recall Tanks only near a depot. First make depots available to tanks. Agreed, this is something no non tank user ever considers. I can't reach half the damn depots! Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 347	Posted - 2014.03.26 12:42:00 - [43] - Quote Buff AV. My swarms with 3 complex damage mods are actually useless. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 4929	Posted - 2014.03.26 12:46:00 - [44] - Quote Justicar Karnellia wrote: Jastad wrote: The first hot fix is give AV the 1,6 DMG. Give me back my old forge charge time. Seeing a Madrugar FULL rep between shot is real bullshit. This would be a start yes. Also removing the vehicle recall functionality outside the redline, so that when you're taking tremendous fire and think you can't escape you can just step out of your tank and make it disappear. Again, we are almost unanimous (meaning even vehicle users as well) that an RDV should actually have to pick up the vehicle, redline or not. There should be NO means of making your vehicle magically disappear under any circumstances. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 830	Posted - 2014.03.26 12:56:00 - [45] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Justicar Karnellia wrote: Jastad wrote: The first hot fix is give AV the 1,6 DMG. Give me back my old forge charge time. Seeing a Madrugar FULL rep between shot is real bullshit. This would be a start yes. Also removing the vehicle recall functionality outside the redline, so that when you're taking tremendous fire and think you can't escape you can just step out of your tank and make it disappear. Again, we are almost unanimous (meaning even vehicle users as well) that an RDV should actually have to pick up the vehicle, redline or not. There should be NO means of making your vehicle magically disappear under any circumstances. I would be happy if a the recall would deny ordering a new vehicle for a longer time. I can live with the recall itself but what bugs me is that you can recall you damaged vehicle and call in a fresh one short after that should not be possible.
Davy Headhunter Pradox One Proficiency V. 28	Posted - 2014.03.26 12:56:00 - [46] - Quote The final fix for the tank problem This is a long term plan but will fix most of the issues: Make a medium class vehicle (between the light and the heavy): This vehicle would have no spare sits, the pilot will also be the gunner; It would works similar to the tank now, but with 1/3 of the EHP; Same price as the tanks are now; Guns will have smaller size than current (same tracking, 1/3 of the damage from now); Speed should be the same as now; Make the HAV role different: Change it so it needs AT LEAST 2 guys to make it effective: 1 driver, 1 gunner at the heavy gun, 2 gunners at the light gun; Same EHP as now; Same DPS as now; Slower tracking (1/2 of what it is now) so it have hard time killing light infantry (there is just no way a tank should be able to kill a scout or a fast medium suit); This changes will end the issue of the 1 man army that is currently the main problem of the HAV QQ.
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 273	Posted - 2014.03.26 13:12:00 - [47] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Justicar Karnellia wrote: Jastad wrote: The first hot fix is give AV the 1,6 DMG. Give me back my old forge charge time. Seeing a Madrugar FULL rep between shot is real bullshit. This would be a start yes. Also removing the vehicle recall functionality outside the redline, so that when you're taking tremendous fire and think you can't escape you can just step out of your tank and make it disappear. Again, we are almost unanimous (meaning even vehicle users as well) that an RDV should actually have to pick up the vehicle, redline or not. There should be NO means of making your vehicle magically disappear under any circumstances. I would be happy if a the recall would deny ordering a new vehicle for a longer time. I can live with the recall itself but what bugs me is that you can recall you damaged vehicle and call in a fresh one short after that should not be possible. Then switching suits needs to take a lot longer too, and you need to be killable the whole time. You don't realize that some people are actually using it how it's meant to be used, adapting to the current situation on the battlefield. Your suggestion makes it a lot harder to use it for the intended use. It would not affect those wishing to recall damaged vehicles as they have no desire of calling in a new one in the heat of battle. Instead recall time should be linked to armor % lost on the vehicle. And recall should have a cooldown of 1-2 mins to stop people avoiding cooldowns on rail tanks. R.I.P. Pre-1.7 tanks, you will be missed.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1647	Posted - 2014.03.26 13:20:00 - [48] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Martin0 Brancaleone wrote: I've returned recently to dust and tried out tanks to see if they really are so broken. IMO there are 2 things that are broken about tanks. Large railguns. High alpha damage AND high dps is just too good. Overdrive booster-thingie. I tried it and Loled. It's stupidly powerful. Is this module that makes tank invincible as they can just turn it on and run at ridiculous speed. Cut the overdrive speed bonus by 30-40% (maybe even 50%) and tanks will be fine, good tankers will plan ahead their escape and scrubs will just die. As I mentioned, we'll be looking at rolling out a hotfix for Vehicles over the next week or so. :) Yay Dev and thanks for a response! "Stay stealthy scouts." GÇô Ron Burgundy
skippy678 The Phoenix Federation 2465	Posted - 2014.03.26 13:58:00 - [49] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Emerald Bellerophon wrote: Seriously? Don't tell me you've been on vacation this entire time. These kinds of statements aren't really constructive, we've been working at pulling together the content for 1.8 too (of which there is a lot). After ignoring the community for months you wanna talk about constructive? Whatever man Level 2 Forum Warrior
GVGMODE WorstPlayersEver 151	Posted - 2014.03.26 13:58:00 - [50] - Quote I can foresee the Rail tanks nerfed into oblivion, the last barrier against evil must fall. Missiles will fall from the sky and the blasterization will take place bringing terror to everybody in the field. I like. Pilot: (Tanks / Assault Dropships) Skype: GVGMODE

Raz Sidona Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 76	Posted - 2014.03.26 14:01:00 - [51] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: Eurydice Itzhak wrote: Quit playing for a few months because of the tank patch. Railguns stupid OP. LAVs worthless. 0 sp mlt tanks 100% as combat effective as 20m sp tanks. Have any of these been addressed? We're looking at running a hotfix (hopefully by the end of this week - but if not then next week) to address some concerns. Are you addressing the issue that vehicle users are receiving war points for vehicle damage. This creates a payout disparity which enourages greater tank spam. Can a Dev please comment on this? It's already becoming a frequent issue. I went into 5 matches and watched tanks trade fire the entire match earning 5k+ wp. The payout for that amount of wp only will encourage greater abuse by players
skippy678 The Phoenix Federation 2465	Posted - 2014.03.26 14:08:00 - [52] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Emerald Bellerophon wrote: Would that be happen to be the same people who've been bungling this game for almost a year now, or does "we" happen to include some prodigious newcomers whose efforts will (beyondthe awareness of the community?) miraculously come to pass?..................This should be the first evidence that you really can't bother reassuring myself or anyone else. We've been there for your changes and we've been there for your neglect, and we're tired of the fact that the former has also included the latter. I feel your frustration too, but when I saw Sabrewings post; I saw an opportunity to give feedback, where you saw an opportunity to give abuse. One of these approaches has a better chance to improve things. Do you want to fix tanks or upset people? Hey judge...iI respect you and your opinion more than anyone in the game...but I have a question for you....your Ok with the fact that CCP ignored the community and your videos for months without even commenting? I just find it convenient that hat after the 3rd worst patch in the history of gaming all of a sudden they have something to say. That's all...thanks for the videos judge...they are the thing that convinced me that even when shown flaws within the game..they are not a dressed. When you dropped the video about the swarms...There should have been an Immediate response. When they did not it showed me that perhaps it was time for me to move on cut the players care about the game then they do. Level 2 Forum Warrior
LudiKure ninda MostlyHarmless. 71	Posted - 2014.03.26 14:12:00 - [53] - Quote Rail OP. Reduce damage by 50% and 40% range on Rail Turrents. Solo player..
theR3Dknight the.R3D.kings 92	Posted - 2014.03.26 14:39:00 - [54] - Quote Luk Manag wrote: Buff AV. My swarms with 3 complex damage mods are actually useless. 100 percent agreed. If they gave a full repel with 1.8 swarm launchers would be extinct. the.R3D.kings is looking for Directors
Sam Booty Valor Coalition Red Whines. 61	Posted - 2014.03.26 14:50:00 - [55] - Quote Make all tanks slower (like much slower even with injectors) and swarm missiles faster like 2x than the fastest possible dropship. I bet CCP will do nothing of this. They will just make militia tanks more expensive to keep tankers with high SP happy and make them even more OP.
NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 312	Posted - 2014.03.26 15:00:00 - [56] - Quote What changed.. AV was nerfed again in 1.8. Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1. Original ROF needs to return!
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 1737	Posted - 2014.03.26 15:05:00 - [57] - Quote skippy678 wrote: Hey judge...iI respect you and your opinion more than anyone in the game...but I have a question for you....your Ok with the fact that CCP ignored the community and your videos for months without even commenting? I just find it convenient that hat after the 3rd worst patch in the history of gaming all of a sudden they have something to say. That's all...thanks for the videos judge...they are the thing that convinced me that even when shown flaws within the game..they are not a dressed. When you dropped the video about the swarms...There should have been an Immediate response. When they did not it showed me that perhaps it was time for me to move on cut the players care about the game then they do. I agree that they should have responded. And it does anger me that thread after thread about my videos most of which were fair and respectful in nature were just ignored. The people that took time to care about the game are not treated well. When an issue is negatively impacting large numbers of players, and they take the time to use the tools CCP put in place to express this, then it is a poor reaction to not even respond with the simplest acknowledgement. If you have a community team then they should be here for their community when it cries out. Their lack of response was a black mark against them. My strongest worded opinions on the matter hit their inboxes, not the forums. Everything Dropship youtube channel my Community Spotlight
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12576	Posted - 2014.03.26 15:10:00 - [58] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: skippy678 wrote: Hey judge...iI respect you and your opinion more than anyone in the game...but I have a question for you....your Ok with the fact that CCP ignored the community and your videos for months without even commenting? I just find it convenient that hat after the 3rd worst patch in the history of gaming all of a sudden they have something to say. That's all...thanks for the videos judge...they are the thing that convinced me that even when shown flaws within the game..they are not a dressed. When you dropped the video about the swarms...There should have been an Immediate response. When they did not it showed me that perhaps it was time for me to move on cut the players care about the game then they do. I agree that they should have responded. And it does anger me that thread after thread about my videos most of which were fair and respectful in nature were just ignored. The people that took time to care about the game are not treated well. When an issue is negatively impacting large numbers of players, and they take the time to use the tools CCP put in place to express this, then it is a poor reaction to not even respond with the simplest acknowledgement. If you have a community team then they should be here for their community when it cries out. Their lack of response was a black mark against them. My strongest worded opinions on the matter hit their inboxes, not the forums. This is why I've decided to just induce rage in pubs to get my point across. Tanks OP, and now they get paid more WP and ISK ^_^ "It seems you've mistaken me for someone who cares"
Derpty Derp It's All Gone Derp 180	Posted - 2014.03.26 15:17:00 - [59] - Quote Justicar Karnellia wrote: Jastad wrote: The first hot fix is give AV the 1,6 DMG. Give me back my old forge charge time. Seeing a Madrugar FULL rep between shot is real bullshit. This would be a start yes. Also removing the vehicle recall functionality outside the redline, so that when you're taking tremendous fire and think you can't escape you can just step out of your tank and make it disappear. Yes the big problem of vehicle vs av is when someone is recalling it... /sarcasm. If you were going to blow up the tank, then when the person gets out you're still going to blow it up... Failing that you could just shoot the guy who's recalling it. The problems are mostly module stacking, hardeners need to have their active time halved when more than 1 is equipped... Armour rep needs a severe stacking nerf since it doesn't stop repairing when being shot... Damage mods should just be removed because the damage output from even small turrets is fine, large turrets just get stupid. The other thing is large turrets, need to deal a lot less dps... slow the fire rate &/ refire rate of them add some real recoil to the rails and make missiles viable rather than a "haha I got close to you and mashed the fire button so you died, but if I wasn't next to you I wouldn't deal any damage" make it actually usable at range where it should be getting use from.
Devilish Killzone Butt Hurt Try Hards Primus Federation 0	Posted - 2014.03.26 15:18:00 - [60] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Eurydice Itzhak wrote: Quit playing for a few months because of the tank patch. Railguns stupid OP. LAVs worthless. 0 sp mlt tanks 100% as combat effective as 20m sp tanks. Have any of these been addressed? We're looking at running a hotfix (hopefully by the end of this week - but if not then next week) to address some concerns. The only thing Dev's need to do with tanks is increase the price tag. Militia tank frames should be 250,000 ISK. Standard should be 500,000 ISK. advanced should be 1,000,000, and proto should be 1.5 mill. That would stop spam. Also reduce the number of tanks able to be placed to 2. Also I don't agree with getting 2 AV or flux grenades. Locus grenades were okay with than nerf. Any other type of AV should be buffed as well. I hope you guys take thes into consideration. From a players perspective I think veryone would agree. Tanks aren't over powered AV is under powered.

Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 920	Posted - 2014.03.26 15:27:00 - [61] - Quote Emerald Bellerophon wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: Martin0 Brancaleone wrote: I've returned recently to dust and tried out tanks to see if they really are so broken. IMO there are 2 things that are broken about tanks. Large railguns. High alpha damage AND high dps is just too good. Overdrive booster-thingie. I tried it and Loled. It's stupidly powerful. Is this module that makes tank invincible as they can just turn it on and run at ridiculous speed. Cut the overdrive speed bonus by 30-40% (maybe even 50%) and tanks will be fine, good tankers will plan ahead their escape and scrubs will just die. As I mentioned, we'll be looking at rolling out a hotfix for Vehicles over the next week or so. :) We? Who is we? Would that be happen to be the same people who've been bungling this game for almost a year now, or does "we" happen to include some prodigious newcomers whose efforts will (beyoud the awareness of the community?) miraculously come to pass? Jastad wrote: The first hot fix is give AV the 1,6 DMG. Give me back my old forge charge time. Seeing a Madrugar FULL rep between shot is real bullshit. This should be the first evidence that you really can't bother reassuring myself or anyone else. We've been there for your changes and we've been there for your neglect, and we're tired of the fact that the former has also included the latter. Don't bother to give me smileyfaces until I can be arsed to smileyface myself, and you are just aboui 12 months too late for that. Are you always an ass, or do you only play one on this forum? Here's your smiley face:
boba's fetta Dead Man's Game 417	Posted - 2014.03.26 15:33:00 - [62] - Quote Devilish Killzone wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: Eurydice Itzhak wrote: Quit playing for a few months because of the tank patch. Railguns stupid OP. LAVs worthless. 0 sp mlt tanks 100% as combat effective as 20m sp tanks. Have any of these been addressed? We're looking at running a hotfix (hopefully by the end of this week - but if not then next week) to address some concerns. The only thing Dev's need to do with tanks is increase the price tag. Militia tank frames should be 250,000 ISK. Standard should be 500,000 ISK. advanced should be 1,000,000, and proto should be 1.5 mill. That would stop spam. Also reduce the number of tanks able to be placed to 2. Also I don't agree with getting 2 AV or flux grenades. Locus grenades were okay with than nerf. Any other type of AV should be buffed as well. I hope you guys take thes into consideration. From a players perspective I think veryone would agree. Tanks aren't over powered AV is under powered. placing a hard cap just hurts the real tankers. so no... also thosse price tags on the lower end tank are to much though i do agree with the price rise. ive solo'ed several tanks the past few days using a 12.9k isk advanced forge gun fit. inculding the std type's. shoot them in the arse goddamit. even with a hardner up a mlt tank cant stand up to that. also dont throw av nades at shields it does NOTHING useful. i want proxie chat so i can run around in the gall heavy saying GET IN MAH BELLY. nah just kidding trade window please=)
skippy678 The Phoenix Federation 2466	Posted - 2014.03.26 15:36:00 - [63] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: skippy678 wrote: Hey judge...iI respect you and your opinion more than anyone in the game...but I have a question for you....your Ok with the fact that CCP ignored the community and your videos for months without even commenting? I just find it convenient that hat after the 3rd worst patch in the history of gaming all of a sudden they have something to say. That's all...thanks for the videos judge...they are the thing that convinced me that even when shown flaws within the game..they are not a dressed. When you dropped the video about the swarms...There should have been an Immediate response. When they did not it showed me that perhaps it was time for me to move on cut the players care about the game then they do. I agree that they should have responded. And it does anger me that thread after thread about my videos most of which were fair and respectful in nature were just ignored. The people that took time to care about the game are not treated well. When an issue is negatively impacting large numbers of players, and they take the time to use the tools CCP put in place to express this, then it is a poor reaction to not even respond with the simplest acknowledgement. If you have a community team then they should be here for their community when it cries out. Their lack of response was a black mark against them. My strongest worded opinions on the matter hit their inboxes, not the forums. You are a gentleman and a scholar. Level 2 Forum Warrior
Second Cerberus Tested In Production 116	Posted - 2014.03.26 15:58:00 - [64] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Eurydice Itzhak wrote: Quit playing for a few months because of the tank patch. Railguns stupid OP. LAVs worthless. 0 sp mlt tanks 100% as combat effective as 20m sp tanks. Have any of these been addressed? We're looking at running a hotfix (hopefully by the end of this week - but if not then next week) to address some concerns. Thanks for the update. Adding this to the top of your 1.8 hotfix sticky might help assauge some community angst. "I don't always test my code, but when I do, I do it in production." - *CCP*
Eurydice Itzhak Providence Guard Templis CALSF 374	Posted - 2014.03.26 16:07:00 - [65] - Quote To everyone that came here to cry about tanks being OP, go make your own thread don't piggyback off my issues.
Skihids Bullet Cluster 3139	Posted - 2014.03.26 16:54:00 - [66] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: CLONE ALPHA 001 wrote: i see ppl crying because they can't take a tank out by themselves. ITS A TANK you shouldn't be able to kill it buy your self. get a friend in your squad. How many people are driving and operating that tank? 1 How many people bought and paid for that tank? 1 How many people skilled into using the tank? 1 How many people should it take to kill 1 Scout? 1 How many people should it take to kill 1 Assault? 1 How many people should it take to kill 1 Sentinel? 1 How many people should it take to dispose of a LAV? 1 How many people should it take to disposs of a DS? 1 How many people should it take to dispose of a HAV? 3? And you don't see the mathematical conundrum that arises from that? That means everything because tanks and infantry share the same role on the same battlefield. The tank and the infantry player are doing the same thing and competing in the same role.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2264	Posted - 2014.03.26 17:18:00 - [67] - Quote Skihids wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: CLONE ALPHA 001 wrote: i see ppl crying because they can't take a tank out by themselves. ITS A TANK you shouldn't be able to kill it buy your self. get a friend in your squad. How many people are driving and operating that tank? 1 How many people bought and paid for that tank? 1 How many people skilled into using the tank? 1 How many people should it take to kill 1 Scout? 1 How many people should it take to kill 1 Assault? 1 How many people should it take to kill 1 Sentinel? 1 How many people should it take to dispose of a LAV? 1 How many people should it take to disposs of a DS? 1 How many people should it take to dispose of a HAV? 3? And you don't see the mathematical conundrum that arises from that? That means everything because tanks and infantry share the same role on the same battlefield. The tank and the infantry player are doing the same thing and competing in the same role. If the role is killing people, then yes, yes it is! Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1480	Posted - 2014.03.26 17:45:00 - [68] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Eurydice Itzhak wrote: Quit playing for a few months because of the tank patch. Railguns stupid OP. LAVs worthless. 0 sp mlt tanks 100% as combat effective as 20m sp tanks. Have any of these been addressed? We're looking at running a hotfix (hopefully by the end of this week - but if not then next week) to address some concerns. hopefully your fix also includes broken vehicle scanners tick, tock, tick, tock, we are hopeing for Dust 514 fixes as we see more and more PS4 games calling out to us. thank you. Hey CCP get a PS4 client Planetside 2 in June on PS4 Dust Deserters Alliance
Villanor Aquarius WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 164	Posted - 2014.03.26 19:06:00 - [69] - Quote Recipe for killing tanks, PLC with AV nades. Destroys shield tanks no problems. Two people doing this can handle armour tanks easily too. 1v1 tanks win 3 infantry can kill 3 tanks 4 infantry can kill every tank that gets dropped in. Numerically it is balanced, there is a critical mass of AV needed as massed AV increases effectiveness faster than massed Tanks do. Try a game with 4 dedicated tankers and 4 dedicated AV players, you'll see that those AV players can keep the tanks from ever becoming significantly effective. A swarm launcher or just a plasma cannon is not AV, you need 1 plus AV nades. (swarms are broken currently which is a separate issue) Running forge without AV nades is also foolish
Jastad D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 670	Posted - 2014.03.26 21:16:00 - [70] - Quote MarasdF Loron wrote: Then switching suits needs to take a lot longer too, and you need to be killable the whole time. You don't realize that some people are actually using it how it's meant to be used, adapting to the current situation on the battlefield. Your suggestion makes it a lot harder to use it for the intended use. It would not affect those wishing to recall damaged vehicles as they have no desire of calling in a new one in the heat of battle. Instead recall time should be linked to armor % lost on the vehicle. And recall should have a cooldown of 1-2 mins to stop people avoiding cooldowns on rail tanks. The main flow in your argument is that YOU couldn't adapt in the middle of the field. That negate the WINDOW of opportunity thing that ccP want for tanks. Recall was an useful feature when Tanks where blowing up like soap bubble. (Again part of it was also V-driver fault. Many back in beta tasted the invincibility mode that the Sagaris and the Surya. If you play like you ae in god mode, when you leave god mode you tendo to play like you still have it.) Right now Recall for TANKS ( 'cause LAV and Dropship can still transport people.) is simply a way to negate window of opportunity. i'm not talking about recalling under fire, that is like a glitch. I'm talking about the role that DEPOT are for tanks right know. Imagine that depot now matter for tanker: You can't recall outside the Depot area, so now supply depot are to an easy +100 wp but are important. With this also have ammo count, 'cause you can't recall you tank and bring a full ammo. That mean that or you defend the depot in battle area or you are going deep in base, leaving the battle for enough time to give infantry a breathe. For AV that mean that they have for sure a place where you must go. That mean ambush and traps on the road to the depot. With that having INF support for a tank become useful. Many issue needed a look into: Swarms where too powerful for a fire and forget weapon, auto-seeking AV nade where an issue too. But you can't buff a thing and in the same time nerf the other. That become a double buff. Amarr SCR user. Believe in the FORGE, young padawans C'èSoloDoloreSuCharlie

skippy678 The Phoenix Federation 2466	Posted - 2014.03.26 21:45:00 - [71] - Quote Eurydice Itzhak wrote: To everyone that came here to cry about tanks being OP, go make your own thread don't piggyback off my issues. Considering nobody ever heard of you, or your Corp. ..we will leave your thread alone. Considering without out presence your thread would go Un noticed. Sorry buddy have fun continuing to be unknown. Newb Level 2 Forum Warrior
skippy678 The Phoenix Federation 2466	Posted - 2014.03.26 21:48:00 - [72] - Quote skippy678 wrote: Eurydice Itzhak wrote: To everyone that came here to cry about tanks being OP, go make your own thread don't piggyback off my issues. Considering nobody ever heard of you, or your Corp. ..we will leave your thread alone. Considering without out presence your thread would go Un noticed. Sorry buddy have fun continuing to be unknown. Newb And when you see me and my Corp mates chasing you in the red line and t bagging you you will know it's because of your lack of respect. Punk. We re trying to fix the game we love and you were just lucky enough to get a blue tag. Punk Level 2 Forum Warrior
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8939	Posted - 2014.03.26 21:51:00 - [73] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Eurydice Itzhak wrote: Quit playing for a few months because of the tank patch. Railguns stupid OP. LAVs worthless. 0 sp mlt tanks 100% as combat effective as 20m sp tanks. Have any of these been addressed? We're looking at running a hotfix (hopefully by the end of this week - but if not then next week) to address some concerns. In term of the hot fix..... can you supply any information regarding the "fixes" I am heavily concerned with the level of QQ HAV and vehicles by extension will receive a crippling nerf to temporarily release community pressure..... until the HAV band wagon gets in full swing again.....then its around and around we go. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
RINON114 B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance 548	Posted - 2014.03.26 21:51:00 - [74] - Quote I honestly hate all the ** that people are giving CCP Saberwing here for responding with what appears to be the best news of the year with regards to vehicle balance, why are you reacting like this? Yes they should have responded sooner. No you shouldn't be a prick when they finally give you what you want. CCP has had some major changes since 1.7, and I'm sure they don't live entirely for the benefit of this community (I wouldn't if I was treated the way these guys are). Developing Dust is a job, and it is probably a lot harder than we give CCP credit for. Think about it like this: Remember when you were in college or university and you had a job as a bartender or worked in some kind of grocery or convenience store? Remember those customers that came in and gave you ** because you didn't have what they wanted right then and there? Remember how that made you feel? Now think about that abuse 1000x greater and put yourself in CCP's shoes. Next time: don't be a jerk.
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 367	Posted - 2014.03.26 21:51:00 - [75] - Quote CCP just need to take a few lessons from DICE / Battlefield 4 when it comes to vehicle balance. The balance is in the skill of the driver and his ability to perceive threats and use countermeasures accordingly. In BF4 a tank can still roll all over the battlefield getting lots of kills but it still only takes one smart person to take that tank out. CCP should say 1 of 2 things. 1. "Ok players we are making tanks easier to kill but there price will be vastly reduced to compensate, we are reworking a few things yadda yadda - THINK BATTLEFIELD in terms of how tanks die a lot" 2. "Ok players this is the ~EVE~ universe so some vehicles will be pimped out and very hard to kill, however the price will go up drastically and we will re-do tanks so that while they are so so strong they are no where near as offensive as they are currently" Something like that.
skippy678 The Phoenix Federation 2466	Posted - 2014.03.26 21:52:00 - [76] - Quote skippy678 wrote: skippy678 wrote: Eurydice Itzhak wrote: To everyone that came here to cry about tanks being OP, go make your own thread don't piggyback off my issues. Considering nobody ever heard of you, or your Corp. ..we will leave your thread alone. Considering without out presence your thread would go Un noticed. Sorry buddy have fun continuing to be unknown. Newb And when you see me and my Corp mates chasing you in the red line and t bagging you you will know it's because of your lack of respect. Punk. We re trying to fix the game we love and you were just lucky enough to get a blue tag. Punk You want a bounty buddy? I only got half a billion to teach you a lesson about minding your own buisness Level 2 Forum Warrior
skippy678 The Phoenix Federation 2466	Posted - 2014.03.26 22:01:00 - [77] - Quote Eurydice Itzhak wrote: To everyone that came here to cry about tanks being OP, go make your own thread don't piggyback off my issues. Not that you have any planets to take anyway...hey? Your not aloud to post in this thread anymore. Go ahead try....and then switch to minecraft because that will be all you got left. Level 2 Forum Warrior
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8940	Posted - 2014.03.26 22:16:00 - [78] - Quote skippy678 wrote: Eurydice Itzhak wrote: To everyone that came here to cry about tanks being OP, go make your own thread don't piggyback off my issues. Not that you have any planets to take anyway...hey? Your not aloud to post in this thread anymore. Go ahead try....and then switch to minecraft because that will be all you got left. The fact that you actually believe PC has meaning or value makes me laugh...... "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 315	Posted - 2014.03.26 22:22:00 - [79] - Quote Emerald Bellerophon wrote: Martin0 Brancaleone wrote: I've returned recently to dust and tried out tanks to see if they really are so broken. IMO there are 2 things that are broken about tanks. Large railguns. High alpha damage AND high dps is just too good. Overdrive booster-thingie. I tried it and Loled. It's stupidly powerful. Is this module that makes tank invincible as they can just turn it on and run at ridiculous speed. Cut the overdrive speed bonus by 30-40% (maybe even 50%) and tanks will be fine, good tankers will plan ahead their escape and scrubs will just die. THANK YOU. You've said pretty much the only thing I've seen rationally said about vehicles being OP for months; no more, no less. Evidently, our dear Saberwing has yet to bother to listen to these things in (sh)he's- now-historical contest, and after an extended period of barely-disguised overt laziness on the part of the CCP devs, now decides to try to assuage our ("casual gamers''") eminently-reasonable fears regarding any obviously-empty platitudes to the contrary. I might hope that this could serve as a wake-up call about the incompetence among the devs at CCP (which extends well beyond the glaringly-persistent imbalance-into-ridiculous-recent-apologies by an oft-quoted and questionally-revered elite sometimes known as "IWS"), but, apparently, multiple months of "vacation" have done-little to establish the reality of this anything known as balance,, except that those moments in which "IWS" and others continue to defer toward a defense of a depend on substantive grounds beyond their own self-aggrandizement, which just so happen not to exist as far as I've been able to tell in scientific trans. I suppose I shouldn't aggrandize myself just now, but I do feel some entitlement so far as I have been a player whose patience has already exceeded that of the 'normal' gamer upon which you (CCP!) might expand your revenues to a reasonable level, and so far as someone who might or might not have funneled similar revenues to your doorstop in the belief that you don't entirely suck at your jobs: You suck at your jobs. I can't possibly be the least invested in the fate of DUST 514, considering the hours I have given to it, and I can't possibly be the only one out of patience with how the development of this game has gone, considering the tenor of the forums in general since I decided to stop playing, and in consideration of those two things, I can tell you that I have no future even nearly-comparable to that of EVE's, and that you'd likely be better-off listening to anyone other than the members of your vaunted CPM and their respective sycophants than you would a community calling for other obvious changes and not massaging your undeserved egoes. you don't speak for everyone tho, the DS AB was already nerfed a year ago. if your fitting an AB on a dropship your loosing a high slot mod. it's a tradeoff. not everyone is into brick tanking everything and double hardeners. fix swarms, plasma cannons, forge gun misfires and then you can discuss a nerf to dropships u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189
skippy678 The Phoenix Federation 2466	Posted - 2014.03.26 22:59:00 - [80] - Quote True Adamance wrote: skippy678 wrote: Eurydice Itzhak wrote: To everyone that came here to cry about tanks being OP, go make your own thread don't piggyback off my issues. Not that you have any planets to take anyway...hey? Your not aloud to post in this thread anymore. Go ahead try....and then switch to minecraft because that will be all you got left. The fact that you actually believe PC has meaning or value makes me laugh...... Never said that... just say I g that constructive shot was hopping in this thread because of the blue tag and we don't have to watch him try to play martyr kiss in some dev ass.... As well I only PFC and ring here and there with the higher tiers of my Corp. ..and honestly when me ..(34 million Sp) and judge Rad...wanna have a talk about balance we could do so if we pleas and he should be honored if we get a good convo out of it.......it's the same reason why you don't see me mouthing off to Regeny um. ..it's not my place and it will have conicquinces. ..just like no name buddy shouldn't mouth of to me...I know my roll. ..so should he. If the patch came our decent then maybe they would have an argument but it came out horrible and we are calling them out on what they were doing for that time....tthey were probably working out the bugs for 1.8...hahahaha Level 2 Forum Warrior

skippy678 The Phoenix Federation 2466	Posted - 2014.03.26 23:19:00 - [81] - Quote True Adamance wrote: skippy678 wrote: Eurydice Itzhak wrote: To everyone that came here to cry about tanks being OP, go make your own thread don't piggyback off my issues. Not that you have any planets to take anyway...hey? Your not aloud to post in this thread anymore. Go ahead try....and then switch to minecraft because that will be all you got left. The fact that you actually believe PC has meaning or value makes me laugh...... I have played you many times before and I respect your play, however...gotta say..the state of Pc is definitely something I could care less about And ...well ...I guess I'm not here telling you to mind your own buisness because It's probably not my place to say to you....but I'm thinking it a little..just sayin Level 2 Forum Warrior
Ld Collins Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 123	Posted - 2014.03.26 23:26:00 - [82] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: CLONE ALPHA 001 wrote: i see ppl crying because they can't take a tank out by themselves. ITS A TANK you shouldn't be able to kill it buy your self. get a friend in your squad. How many people are driving and operating that tank? 1 How many people bought and paid for that tank? 1 How many people skilled into using the tank? 1 How many people should it take to kill 1 Scout? 1 How many people should it take to kill 1 Assault? 1 How many people should it take to kill 1 Sentinel? 1 How many people should it take to dispose of a LAV? 1 How many people should it take to disposs of a DS? 1 How many people should it take to dispose of a HAV? 3? And you don't see the mathematical conundrum that arises from that? If this becomes true then make tanks dirt cheap. I'm a tanker and Aver and ive killed multiple tanks by myself by just using my brain. I've skilled into weapons that would assist me in my attempts Id lay traps and force tankers into them. People want to use 1 method to take out tanks and they want that 1 method to work and if it doesn't work its OP. Most tanks are fine as they are, I have had tankers shitting bricks when they see me on the field they would rather hop out of the tank to gun me down then to come after me. Here are the problems with tanks Railguns are OP and Militia tanks are too effective if militia tanks were solo'ed then I'm ok with that maddys and gunnlogis though should take teamwork. You all want your God Mode solo tanking abilities of 1.6 back but its not going to happen. I've killed tanks with LAVs I've seen tanks killed with ADS I've killed tanks with other tanks I've killed tanks with swarms, proximity explosives and jihad jeeps. I've seen double forge gun teams rip tanks apart the lot of you are just running into unfortunate circumstances where the enemy team has a squad of tankers and your team doesn't. If everyone wouldn't have been chasing FOTM in 1.7 then you would have more AVers on the field but no everyone is chasing KD/R and Sp. Its not impossible to Solo a tank in 1.8 I do it all the time. One day i decided to squad up with 1 other person who had demolition skills i destroyed 11 vehicles in that match killing 1 tanker 3 times in a row.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2269	Posted - 2014.03.27 02:19:00 - [83] - Quote Ld Collins wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: CLONE ALPHA 001 wrote: i see ppl crying because they can't take a tank out by themselves. ITS A TANK you shouldn't be able to kill it buy your self. get a friend in your squad. How many people are driving and operating that tank? 1 How many people bought and paid for that tank? 1 How many people skilled into using the tank? 1 How many people should it take to kill 1 Scout? 1 How many people should it take to kill 1 Assault? 1 How many people should it take to kill 1 Sentinel? 1 How many people should it take to dispose of a LAV? 1 How many people should it take to disposs of a DS? 1 How many people should it take to dispose of a HAV? 3? And you don't see the mathematical conundrum that arises from that? If this becomes true then make tanks dirt cheap. I'm a tanker and Aver and ive killed multiple tanks by myself by just using my brain. I've skilled into weapons that would assist me in my attempts Id lay traps and force tankers into them. People want to use 1 method to take out tanks and they want that 1 method to work and if it doesn't work its OP. Most tanks are fine as they are, I have had tankers shitting bricks when they see me on the field they would rather hop out of the tank to gun me down then to come after me. Here are the problems with tanks Railguns are OP and Militia tanks are too effective if militia tanks were solo'ed then I'm ok with that maddys and gunnlogis though should take teamwork. You all want your God Mode solo tanking abilities of 1.6 back but its not going to happen. I've killed tanks with LAVs I've seen tanks killed with ADS I've killed tanks with other tanks I've killed tanks with swarms, proximity explosives and jihad jeeps. I've seen double forge gun teams rip tanks apart the lot of you are just running into unfortunate circumstances where the enemy team has a squad of tankers and your team doesn't. If everyone wouldn't have been chasing FOTM in 1.7 then you would have more AVers on the field but no everyone is chasing KD/R and Sp. Its not impossible to Solo a tank in 1.8 I do it all the time. One day i decided to squad up with 1 other person who had demolition skills i destroyed 11 vehicles in that match killing 1 tanker 3 times in a row. I'm not saying its impossible to solo a tank, infact its real easy, if reverse towards you with his hardners off, but then again how often does that happen. The point your missing, the point that has been at the heart of this discussion since the dawn of time. Your one man in a tank, what permits you as one man to be worth more than your infantry counterparts? You can't say price anymore, the price is right the strength is not. You can't say SP, everyone spends SP, spending more does not justify such strength You can't say, because Im a tank and I'm a genetically modified super soilder carrying a Assault Rifle that cannabalised from an fighter jet cannon You can't say because its a HAV so it shouldn't be easy to kill with light weapons otherwise heavies need another buff So long as physically operating a tank does not require teamwork then neither should removing 1 from play. It should be optional not compulsory. Tanks should either be 1) Reletively simple destroy/suppress/deny or 2) Indestructible but with limited firepower Now you can say you do it all the time, but I can also say I speak swahili. Spkr4thedead tried convincing me infantry AV was fine, with a HAV railgun. I don't want AV god mode, Im just sick and tired of the current god mod tankers are trying to tell me doesn't exsist. It's all well and good saying "you've been unlucky" but when so many people on the forums are saying the same thing, its not luck its maths. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Eurydice Itzhak Providence Guard Templis CALSF 378	Posted - 2014.03.27 03:32:00 - [84] - Quote skippy678 wrote: skippy678 wrote: skippy678 wrote: Eurydice Itzhak wrote: To everyone that came here to cry about tanks being OP, go make your own thread don't piggyback off my issues. Considering nobody ever heard of you, or your Corp. ..we will leave your thread alone. Considering without out presence your thread would go Un noticed. Sorry buddy have fun continuing to be unknown. Newb And when you see me and my Corp mates chasing you in the red line and t bagging you you will know it's because of your lack of respect. Punk. We re trying to fix the game we love and you were just lucky enough to get a blue tag. Punk You want a bounty buddy? I only got half a billion to teach you a lesson about minding your own buisness Did you triple quote yourself to talk smack to an old player who hasnt played in months? Go ahead and put a "bounty" on me buddy. I dont play this game lol. Also I'm pretty sure most of the popular tankers know me if only for my old forum presence. Also REALLY mad Ccp saberwing had the nerve to get my hopes up when announced changes have nothing to do with anything i posted about. The railgun change is addressing a redline issue so don't bring that one up.
Eurydice Itzhak Providence Guard Templis CALSF 378	Posted - 2014.03.27 03:36:00 - [85] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Ld Collins wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: CLONE ALPHA 001 wrote: i see ppl crying because they can't take a tank out by themselves. ITS A TANK you shouldn't be able to kill it buy your self. get a friend in your squad. How many people are driving and operating that tank? 1 How many people bought and paid for that tank? 1 How many people skilled into using the tank? 1 How many people should it take to kill 1 Scout? 1 How many people should it take to kill 1 Assault? 1 How many people should it take to kill 1 Sentinel? 1 How many people should it take to dispose of a LAV? 1 How many people should it take to disposs of a DS? 1 How many people should it take to dispose of a HAV? 3? And you don't see the mathematical conundrum that arises from that? If this becomes true then make tanks dirt cheap. I'm a tanker and Aver and ive killed multiple tanks by myself by just using my brain. I've skilled into weapons that would assist me in my attempts Id lay traps and force tankers into them. People want to use 1 method to take out tanks and they want that 1 method to work and if it doesn't work its OP. Most tanks are fine as they are, I have had tankers shitting bricks when they see me on the field they would rather hop out of the tank to gun me down then to come after me. Here are the problems with tanks Railguns are OP and Militia tanks are too effective if militia tanks were solo'ed then I'm ok with that maddys and gunnlogis though should take teamwork. You all want your God Mode solo tanking abilities of 1.6 back but its not going to happen. I've killed tanks with LAVs I've seen tanks killed with ADS I've killed tanks with other tanks I've killed tanks with swarms, proximity explosives and jihad jeeps. I've seen double forge gun teams rip tanks apart the lot of you are just running into unfortunate circumstances where the enemy team has a squad of tankers and your team doesn't. If everyone wouldn't have been chasing FOTM in 1.7 then you would have more AVers on the field but no everyone is chasing KD/R and Sp. Its not impossible to Solo a tank in 1.8 I do it all the time. One day i decided to squad up with 1 other person who had demolition skills i destroyed 11 vehicles in that match killing 1 tanker 3 times in a row. I'm not saying its impossible to solo a tank, infact its real easy, if reverse towards you with his hardners off, but then again how often does that happen. The point your missing, the point that has been at the heart of this discussion since the dawn of time. Your one man in a tank, what permits you as one man to be worth more than your infantry counterparts? You can't say price anymore, the price is right the strength is not. You can't say SP, everyone spends SP, spending more does not justify such strength You can't say, because Im a tank and I'm a genetically modified super soilder carrying a Assault Rifle that cannabalised from an fighter jet cannon You can't say because its a HAV so it shouldn't be easy to kill with light weapons otherwise heavies need another buff So long as physically operating a tank does not require teamwork then neither should removing 1 from play. It should be optional not compulsory. Tanks should either be 1) Reletively simple destroy/suppress/deny or 2) Indestructible but with limited firepower Now you can say you do it all the time, but I can also say I speak swahili. Spkr4thedead tried convincing me infantry AV was fine, with a HAV railgun. I don't want AV god mode, Im just sick and tired of the current god mod tankers are trying to tell me doesn't exsist. It's all well and good saying "you've been unlucky" but when so many people on the forums are saying the same thing, its not luck its maths. I don't want to get into it about a game I dont play anymore but games are still won by uplink spam and capping points I'm guessing? A tank does neither. Killing power gained. Map control lost.
LUKE ANDREWS1 Valor Coalition Red Whines. 2	Posted - 2014.03.27 09:00:00 - [86] - Quote Look ccp ur really starting to ***** me off here now are tanks have been nerfed so much u have to have everything 5 just to get a decent tank and it only has one gun now instead of 3.. and the go is ect.. and now ur saying ur giving back av as 1.6? Ur *** mad and everyone who can't take out a tank spend ur *** sp on a forge and then u can u crying mother *** if u change tanks anymore people will up and leave u have to take that into consideration u have just put cloak out.. if they don't wanna die by a tank become a heavy forge gunner and nobhead.I mean proto not militia half these guys are moaning a militia forge won't take out my 13million sp madruger? Yeah because the day u do bring back 1.6 av lots.. of people are going to leave me being one if they have wirokomis they hurt like and I have to run even with hardner on same to proto forge and if u actually *** played the game u would realise that to.. I drive around in a full proto madruger right and these guys are moaning their militia to adv swarms don't do anything to me yeah skill into it more for the damage *! And ccp on another note if ur gonna ** anymore with the tanks I'd like a full vehicle respec and so will everyone else who is a tanker Peace ccp and all u crying about tanks being Op
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2272	Posted - 2014.03.27 11:36:00 - [87] - Quote Eurydice Itzhak wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Ld Collins wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: CLONE ALPHA 001 wrote: i see ppl crying because they can't take a tank out by themselves. ITS A TANK you shouldn't be able to kill it buy your self. get a friend in your squad. How many people are driving and operating that tank? 1 How many people bought and paid for that tank? 1 How many people skilled into using the tank? 1 How many people should it take to kill 1 Scout? 1 How many people should it take to kill 1 Assault? 1 How many people should it take to kill 1 Sentinel? 1 How many people should it take to dispose of a LAV? 1 How many people should it take to disposs of a DS? 1 How many people should it take to dispose of a HAV? 3? And you don't see the mathematical conundrum that arises from that? If this becomes true then make tanks dirt cheap. I'm a tanker and Aver and ive killed multiple tanks by myself by just using my brain. I've skilled into weapons that would assist me in my attempts Id lay traps and force tankers into them. People want to use 1 method to take out tanks and they want that 1 method to work and if it doesn't work its OP. Most tanks are fine as they are, I have had tankers shitting bricks when they see me on the field they would rather hop out of the tank to gun me down then to come after me. Here are the problems with tanks Railguns are OP and Militia tanks are too effective if militia tanks were solo'ed then I'm ok with that maddys and gunnlogis though should take teamwork. You all want your God Mode solo tanking abilities of 1.6 back but its not going to happen. I've killed tanks with LAVs I've seen tanks killed with ADS I've killed tanks with other tanks I've killed tanks with swarms, proximity explosives and jihad jeeps. I've seen double forge gun teams rip tanks apart the lot of you are just running into unfortunate circumstances where the enemy team has a squad of tankers and your team doesn't. If everyone wouldn't have been chasing FOTM in 1.7 then you would have more AVers on the field but no everyone is chasing KD/R and Sp. Its not impossible to Solo a tank in 1.8 I do it all the time. One day i decided to squad up with 1 other person who had demolition skills i destroyed 11 vehicles in that match killing 1 tanker 3 times in a row. I'm not saying its impossible to solo a tank, infact its real easy, if reverse towards you with his hardners off, but then again how often does that happen. The point your missing, the point that has been at the heart of this discussion since the dawn of time. Your one man in a tank, what permits you as one man to be worth more than your infantry counterparts? You can't say price anymore, the price is right the strength is not. You can't say SP, everyone spends SP, spending more does not justify such strength You can't say, because Im a tank and I'm a genetically modified super soilder carrying a Assault Rifle that cannabalised from an fighter jet cannon You can't say because its a HAV so it shouldn't be easy to kill with light weapons otherwise heavies need another buff So long as physically operating a tank does not require teamwork then neither should removing 1 from play. It should be optional not compulsory. Tanks should either be 1) Reletively simple destroy/suppress/deny or 2) Indestructible but with limited firepower Now you can say you do it all the time, but I can also say I speak swahili. Spkr4thedead tried convincing me infantry AV was fine, with a HAV railgun. I don't want AV god mode, Im just sick and tired of the current god mod tankers are trying to tell me doesn't exsist. It's all well and good saying "you've been unlucky" but when so many people on the forums are saying the same thing, its not luck its maths. I don't want to get into it about a game I dont play anymore but games are still won by uplink spam and capping points I'm guessing? A tank does neither. Killing power gained. Map control lost. Nah the tanks just camp the points, then 1 infantry guy caps it. The only maps where tanks don't guarantee a win are urban maps, of which there are about 3 and that's only on skirmish. Dom amd Ambush are won with tanks no matter the map. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2272	Posted - 2014.03.27 11:44:00 - [88] - Quote LUKE ANDREWS1 wrote: Look ccp ur really starting to ***** me off here now are tanks have been nerfed so much u have to have everything 5 just to get a decent tank and it only has one gun now instead of 3.. and the go is ect.. and now ur saying ur giving back av as 1.6? Ur *** mad and everyone who can't take out a tank spend ur *** sp on a forge and then u can u crying mother *** if u change tanks anymore people will up and leave u have to take that into consideration u have just put cloak out.. if they don't wanna die by a tank become a heavy forge gunner and nobhead.I mean proto not militia half these guys are moaning a militia forge won't take out my 13million sp madruger? Yeah because the day u do bring back 1.6 av lots.. of people are going to leave me being one if they have wirokomis they hurt like and I have to run even with hardner on same to proto forge and if u actually *** played the game u would realise that to.. I drive around in a full proto madruger right and these guys are moaning their militia to adv swarms don't do anything to me yeah skill into it more for the damage *! And ccp on another note if ur gonna ** anymore with the tanks I'd like a full vehicle respec and so will everyone else who is a tanker Peace ccp and all u crying about tanks being Op Heh, try more like we are complaining about proto swarms doing nothing to an std tank. But you do raise a good question why should a hardener grant you invincibility? It is waves of OPPORTUNITY after all. opportunity: a time or set of circumstances that makes it possible to do something. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.


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