DUST Search - Whats changed for vehicles?

Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:

skippy678 wrote:

Hey judge...iI respect you and your opinion more than anyone in the game...but I have a question for you....your Ok with the fact that CCP ignored the community and your videos for months without even commenting? I just find it convenient that hat after the 3rd worst patch in the history of gaming all of a sudden they have something to say. That's all...thanks for the videos judge...they are the thing that convinced me that even when shown flaws within the game..they are not a dressed.

When you dropped the video about the swarms...There should have been an Immediate response. When they did not it showed me that perhaps it was time for me to move on cut the players care about the game then they do.

I agree that they should have responded. And it does anger me that thread after thread about my videos most of which were fair and respectful in nature were just ignored. The people that took time to care about the game are not treated well. When an issue is negatively impacting large numbers of players, and they take the time to use the tools CCP put in place to express this, then it is a poor reaction to not even respond with the simplest acknowledgement.

If you have a community team then they should be here for their community when it cries out. Their lack of response was a black mark against them.

My strongest worded opinions on the matter hit their inboxes, not the forums.

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Fyra Yacile Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 48	Posted - 2014.03.26 10:55:00 - [31] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Emerald Bellerophon wrote: Would that be happen to be the same people who've been bungling this game for almost a year now, or does "we" happen to include some prodigious newcomers whose efforts will (beyondthe awareness of the community?) miraculously come to pass?..................This should be the first evidence that you really can't bother reassuring myself or anyone else. We've been there for your changes and we've been there for your neglect, and we're tired of the fact that the former has also included the latter. I feel your frustration too, but when I saw Sabrewings post; I saw an opportunity to give feedback, where you saw an opportunity to give abuse. One of these approaches has a better chance to improve things. Do you want to fix tanks or upset people? Theyve had 4 months of feedback so actually neither way is best as CCP don't do anything either way
Fyra Yacile Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 48	Posted - 2014.03.26 10:57:00 - [32] - Quote CLONE ALPHA 001 wrote: i see ppl crying because they can't take a tank out by themselves. ITS A TANK you shouldn't be able to kill it buy your self. get a friend in your squad. Tanks should need teamwork to kill 1 infantryman then coz THEY ARE INFANTRY
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 272	Posted - 2014.03.26 11:08:00 - [33] - Quote Jastad wrote: The first hot fix is give AV the 1,6 DMG. Give me back my old forge charge time. Seeing a Madrugar FULL rep between shot is real bullshit. This would make every vehicle that isn't double or triple hardened completely useless, and it would not affect double or triple hardened vehicles in any way, so how is that any sort of balancing? R.I.P. Pre-1.7 tanks, you will be missed.
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 272	Posted - 2014.03.26 11:09:00 - [34] - Quote Jastad wrote: Justicar Karnellia wrote: Jastad wrote: The first hot fix is give AV the 1,6 DMG. Give me back my old forge charge time. Seeing a Madrugar FULL rep between shot is real bullshit. This would be a start yes. Also removing the vehicle recall functionality outside the redline, so that when you're taking tremendous fire and think you can't escape you can just step out of your tank and make it disappear. i'm also for removing the recall function, let's people recall Tanks only near a depot. First make depots available to tanks. R.I.P. Pre-1.7 tanks, you will be missed.
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 272	Posted - 2014.03.26 11:12:00 - [35] - Quote CLONE ALPHA 001 wrote: i see ppl crying because they can't take a tank out by themselves. ITS A TANK you shouldn't be able to kill it buy your self. get a friend in your squad. Sorry about possible triple post (on my phone) but you are fcking stupid. 1v1 should always be fair and about skill and gear level. R.I.P. Pre-1.7 tanks, you will be missed.
Martin0 Brancaleone Maphia Clan Corporation 507	Posted - 2014.03.26 11:28:00 - [36] - Quote CLONE ALPHA 001 wrote: i see ppl crying because they can't take a tank out by themselves. ITS A TANK you shouldn't be able to kill it buy your self. get a friend in your squad. I laugh every time someone thinks that he should be able to destry a tank alone while the hardeners are on. The problem NOW is that 2-3 people working toghether can't kill a tank because of the ridiculous speed boost from overdrives, once your health is low activate the overdrive and enter the plaid zone, no brain required. That's what pisses off people. I want tanks and infantry to be balanced and FUN, i joined Dust514 on 25/5/2012 and played since then. I played a both a Blaster Surya (when missiles were so op that they oneshotted infantry with SPALSH) and proto forgeguns. and I WANT THIS GAME TO BE FUN AND BALANCED, fotm chasers can go **** themselves.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1953	Posted - 2014.03.26 11:30:00 - [37] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Eurydice Itzhak wrote: Quit playing for a few months because of the tank patch. Railguns stupid OP. LAVs worthless. 0 sp mlt tanks 100% as combat effective as 20m sp tanks. Have any of these been addressed? We're looking at running a hotfix (hopefully by the end of this week - but if not then next week) to address some concerns. There aren't many concerns. Just that it seems a Sica is as good as my Madrugar with a PRO rail at destroying other tanks. Makes my blood boil to see some slob in a MLT tank nearly destroy me in as many shots as I'm throwing at him. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1953	Posted - 2014.03.26 11:31:00 - [38] - Quote Martin0 Brancaleone wrote: CLONE ALPHA 001 wrote: i see ppl crying because they can't take a tank out by themselves. ITS A TANK you shouldn't be able to kill it buy your self. get a friend in your squad. I laugh every time someone thinks that he should be able to destry a tank alone while the hardeners are on. The problem NOW is that 2-3 people working toghether can't kill a tank because of the ridiculous speed boost from overdrives, once your health is low activate the overdrive and enter the plaid zone, no brain required. That's what pisses off people. I want tanks and infantry to be balanced and FUN, i joined Dust514 on 25/5/2012 and played since then. I played a both a Blaster Surya (when missiles were so op that they oneshotted infantry with SPALSH) and proto forgeguns. and I WANT THIS GAME TO BE FUN AND BALANCED, fotm chasers can go **** themselves. So tanks should lose their nuclear power plant and get an environmentally-friendly electric drive? Oh, and missiles haven't been OP since before Chrome. I think even the build before that one. So we're talking about well over a year ago. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2260	Posted - 2014.03.26 11:42:00 - [39] - Quote CLONE ALPHA 001 wrote: i see ppl crying because they can't take a tank out by themselves. ITS A TANK you shouldn't be able to kill it buy your self. get a friend in your squad. How many people are driving and operating that tank? 1 How many people bought and paid for that tank? 1 How many people skilled into using the tank? 1 How many people should it take to kill 1 Scout? 1 How many people should it take to kill 1 Assault? 1 How many people should it take to kill 1 Sentinel? 1 How many people should it take to dispose of a LAV? 1 How many people should it take to disposs of a DS? 1 How many people should it take to dispose of a HAV? 3? And you don't see the mathematical conundrum that arises from that? Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Paran Tadec The Hetairoi 2053	Posted - 2014.03.26 11:54:00 - [40] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Martin0 Brancaleone wrote: I've returned recently to dust and tried out tanks to see if they really are so broken. IMO there are 2 things that are broken about tanks. Large railguns. High alpha damage AND high dps is just too good. Overdrive booster-thingie. I tried it and Loled. It's stupidly powerful. Is this module that makes tank invincible as they can just turn it on and run at ridiculous speed. Cut the overdrive speed bonus by 30-40% (maybe even 50%) and tanks will be fine, good tankers will plan ahead their escape and scrubs will just die. As I mentioned, we'll be looking at rolling out a hotfix for Vehicles over the next week or so. :) Just ^^^(^%^$^$ fix swarms already. Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!

Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Dirt Nap Squad. 676	Posted - 2014.03.26 12:30:00 - [41] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Eurydice Itzhak wrote: Quit playing for a few months because of the tank patch. Railguns stupid OP. LAVs worthless. 0 sp mlt tanks 100% as combat effective as 20m sp tanks. Have any of these been addressed? We're looking at running a hotfix (hopefully by the end of this week - but if not then next week) to address some concerns. I wish us vehicle users could get a heads up BEFORE you go fuckin **** up. I would very much like to know what's being "nerfed" before hand so I can prepare for it appropriately. Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Dirt Nap Squad. 676	Posted - 2014.03.26 12:32:00 - [42] - Quote MarasdF Loron wrote: Jastad wrote: Justicar Karnellia wrote: Jastad wrote: The first hot fix is give AV the 1,6 DMG. Give me back my old forge charge time. Seeing a Madrugar FULL rep between shot is real bullshit. This would be a start yes. Also removing the vehicle recall functionality outside the redline, so that when you're taking tremendous fire and think you can't escape you can just step out of your tank and make it disappear. i'm also for removing the recall function, let's people recall Tanks only near a depot. First make depots available to tanks. Agreed, this is something no non tank user ever considers. I can't reach half the damn depots! Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 347	Posted - 2014.03.26 12:42:00 - [43] - Quote Buff AV. My swarms with 3 complex damage mods are actually useless. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 4929	Posted - 2014.03.26 12:46:00 - [44] - Quote Justicar Karnellia wrote: Jastad wrote: The first hot fix is give AV the 1,6 DMG. Give me back my old forge charge time. Seeing a Madrugar FULL rep between shot is real bullshit. This would be a start yes. Also removing the vehicle recall functionality outside the redline, so that when you're taking tremendous fire and think you can't escape you can just step out of your tank and make it disappear. Again, we are almost unanimous (meaning even vehicle users as well) that an RDV should actually have to pick up the vehicle, redline or not. There should be NO means of making your vehicle magically disappear under any circumstances. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 830	Posted - 2014.03.26 12:56:00 - [45] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Justicar Karnellia wrote: Jastad wrote: The first hot fix is give AV the 1,6 DMG. Give me back my old forge charge time. Seeing a Madrugar FULL rep between shot is real bullshit. This would be a start yes. Also removing the vehicle recall functionality outside the redline, so that when you're taking tremendous fire and think you can't escape you can just step out of your tank and make it disappear. Again, we are almost unanimous (meaning even vehicle users as well) that an RDV should actually have to pick up the vehicle, redline or not. There should be NO means of making your vehicle magically disappear under any circumstances. I would be happy if a the recall would deny ordering a new vehicle for a longer time. I can live with the recall itself but what bugs me is that you can recall you damaged vehicle and call in a fresh one short after that should not be possible.
Davy Headhunter Pradox One Proficiency V. 28	Posted - 2014.03.26 12:56:00 - [46] - Quote The final fix for the tank problem This is a long term plan but will fix most of the issues: Make a medium class vehicle (between the light and the heavy): This vehicle would have no spare sits, the pilot will also be the gunner; It would works similar to the tank now, but with 1/3 of the EHP; Same price as the tanks are now; Guns will have smaller size than current (same tracking, 1/3 of the damage from now); Speed should be the same as now; Make the HAV role different: Change it so it needs AT LEAST 2 guys to make it effective: 1 driver, 1 gunner at the heavy gun, 2 gunners at the light gun; Same EHP as now; Same DPS as now; Slower tracking (1/2 of what it is now) so it have hard time killing light infantry (there is just no way a tank should be able to kill a scout or a fast medium suit); This changes will end the issue of the 1 man army that is currently the main problem of the HAV QQ.
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 273	Posted - 2014.03.26 13:12:00 - [47] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Justicar Karnellia wrote: Jastad wrote: The first hot fix is give AV the 1,6 DMG. Give me back my old forge charge time. Seeing a Madrugar FULL rep between shot is real bullshit. This would be a start yes. Also removing the vehicle recall functionality outside the redline, so that when you're taking tremendous fire and think you can't escape you can just step out of your tank and make it disappear. Again, we are almost unanimous (meaning even vehicle users as well) that an RDV should actually have to pick up the vehicle, redline or not. There should be NO means of making your vehicle magically disappear under any circumstances. I would be happy if a the recall would deny ordering a new vehicle for a longer time. I can live with the recall itself but what bugs me is that you can recall you damaged vehicle and call in a fresh one short after that should not be possible. Then switching suits needs to take a lot longer too, and you need to be killable the whole time. You don't realize that some people are actually using it how it's meant to be used, adapting to the current situation on the battlefield. Your suggestion makes it a lot harder to use it for the intended use. It would not affect those wishing to recall damaged vehicles as they have no desire of calling in a new one in the heat of battle. Instead recall time should be linked to armor % lost on the vehicle. And recall should have a cooldown of 1-2 mins to stop people avoiding cooldowns on rail tanks. R.I.P. Pre-1.7 tanks, you will be missed.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1647	Posted - 2014.03.26 13:20:00 - [48] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Martin0 Brancaleone wrote: I've returned recently to dust and tried out tanks to see if they really are so broken. IMO there are 2 things that are broken about tanks. Large railguns. High alpha damage AND high dps is just too good. Overdrive booster-thingie. I tried it and Loled. It's stupidly powerful. Is this module that makes tank invincible as they can just turn it on and run at ridiculous speed. Cut the overdrive speed bonus by 30-40% (maybe even 50%) and tanks will be fine, good tankers will plan ahead their escape and scrubs will just die. As I mentioned, we'll be looking at rolling out a hotfix for Vehicles over the next week or so. :) Yay Dev and thanks for a response! "Stay stealthy scouts." GÇô Ron Burgundy
skippy678 The Phoenix Federation 2465	Posted - 2014.03.26 13:58:00 - [49] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Emerald Bellerophon wrote: Seriously? Don't tell me you've been on vacation this entire time. These kinds of statements aren't really constructive, we've been working at pulling together the content for 1.8 too (of which there is a lot). After ignoring the community for months you wanna talk about constructive? Whatever man Level 2 Forum Warrior
GVGMODE WorstPlayersEver 151	Posted - 2014.03.26 13:58:00 - [50] - Quote I can foresee the Rail tanks nerfed into oblivion, the last barrier against evil must fall. Missiles will fall from the sky and the blasterization will take place bringing terror to everybody in the field. I like. Pilot: (Tanks / Assault Dropships) Skype: GVGMODE

Raz Sidona Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 76	Posted - 2014.03.26 14:01:00 - [51] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: Eurydice Itzhak wrote: Quit playing for a few months because of the tank patch. Railguns stupid OP. LAVs worthless. 0 sp mlt tanks 100% as combat effective as 20m sp tanks. Have any of these been addressed? We're looking at running a hotfix (hopefully by the end of this week - but if not then next week) to address some concerns. Are you addressing the issue that vehicle users are receiving war points for vehicle damage. This creates a payout disparity which enourages greater tank spam. Can a Dev please comment on this? It's already becoming a frequent issue. I went into 5 matches and watched tanks trade fire the entire match earning 5k+ wp. The payout for that amount of wp only will encourage greater abuse by players
skippy678 The Phoenix Federation 2465	Posted - 2014.03.26 14:08:00 - [52] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Emerald Bellerophon wrote: Would that be happen to be the same people who've been bungling this game for almost a year now, or does "we" happen to include some prodigious newcomers whose efforts will (beyondthe awareness of the community?) miraculously come to pass?..................This should be the first evidence that you really can't bother reassuring myself or anyone else. We've been there for your changes and we've been there for your neglect, and we're tired of the fact that the former has also included the latter. I feel your frustration too, but when I saw Sabrewings post; I saw an opportunity to give feedback, where you saw an opportunity to give abuse. One of these approaches has a better chance to improve things. Do you want to fix tanks or upset people? Hey judge...iI respect you and your opinion more than anyone in the game...but I have a question for you....your Ok with the fact that CCP ignored the community and your videos for months without even commenting? I just find it convenient that hat after the 3rd worst patch in the history of gaming all of a sudden they have something to say. That's all...thanks for the videos judge...they are the thing that convinced me that even when shown flaws within the game..they are not a dressed. When you dropped the video about the swarms...There should have been an Immediate response. When they did not it showed me that perhaps it was time for me to move on cut the players care about the game then they do. Level 2 Forum Warrior
LudiKure ninda MostlyHarmless. 71	Posted - 2014.03.26 14:12:00 - [53] - Quote Rail OP. Reduce damage by 50% and 40% range on Rail Turrents. Solo player..
theR3Dknight the.R3D.kings 92	Posted - 2014.03.26 14:39:00 - [54] - Quote Luk Manag wrote: Buff AV. My swarms with 3 complex damage mods are actually useless. 100 percent agreed. If they gave a full repel with 1.8 swarm launchers would be extinct. the.R3D.kings is looking for Directors
Sam Booty Valor Coalition Red Whines. 61	Posted - 2014.03.26 14:50:00 - [55] - Quote Make all tanks slower (like much slower even with injectors) and swarm missiles faster like 2x than the fastest possible dropship. I bet CCP will do nothing of this. They will just make militia tanks more expensive to keep tankers with high SP happy and make them even more OP.
NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 312	Posted - 2014.03.26 15:00:00 - [56] - Quote What changed.. AV was nerfed again in 1.8. Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1. Original ROF needs to return!
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 1737	Posted - 2014.03.26 15:05:00 - [57] - Quote skippy678 wrote: Hey judge...iI respect you and your opinion more than anyone in the game...but I have a question for you....your Ok with the fact that CCP ignored the community and your videos for months without even commenting? I just find it convenient that hat after the 3rd worst patch in the history of gaming all of a sudden they have something to say. That's all...thanks for the videos judge...they are the thing that convinced me that even when shown flaws within the game..they are not a dressed. When you dropped the video about the swarms...There should have been an Immediate response. When they did not it showed me that perhaps it was time for me to move on cut the players care about the game then they do. I agree that they should have responded. And it does anger me that thread after thread about my videos most of which were fair and respectful in nature were just ignored. The people that took time to care about the game are not treated well. When an issue is negatively impacting large numbers of players, and they take the time to use the tools CCP put in place to express this, then it is a poor reaction to not even respond with the simplest acknowledgement. If you have a community team then they should be here for their community when it cries out. Their lack of response was a black mark against them. My strongest worded opinions on the matter hit their inboxes, not the forums. Everything Dropship youtube channel my Community Spotlight
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12576	Posted - 2014.03.26 15:10:00 - [58] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: skippy678 wrote: Hey judge...iI respect you and your opinion more than anyone in the game...but I have a question for you....your Ok with the fact that CCP ignored the community and your videos for months without even commenting? I just find it convenient that hat after the 3rd worst patch in the history of gaming all of a sudden they have something to say. That's all...thanks for the videos judge...they are the thing that convinced me that even when shown flaws within the game..they are not a dressed. When you dropped the video about the swarms...There should have been an Immediate response. When they did not it showed me that perhaps it was time for me to move on cut the players care about the game then they do. I agree that they should have responded. And it does anger me that thread after thread about my videos most of which were fair and respectful in nature were just ignored. The people that took time to care about the game are not treated well. When an issue is negatively impacting large numbers of players, and they take the time to use the tools CCP put in place to express this, then it is a poor reaction to not even respond with the simplest acknowledgement. If you have a community team then they should be here for their community when it cries out. Their lack of response was a black mark against them. My strongest worded opinions on the matter hit their inboxes, not the forums. This is why I've decided to just induce rage in pubs to get my point across. Tanks OP, and now they get paid more WP and ISK ^_^ "It seems you've mistaken me for someone who cares"
Derpty Derp It's All Gone Derp 180	Posted - 2014.03.26 15:17:00 - [59] - Quote Justicar Karnellia wrote: Jastad wrote: The first hot fix is give AV the 1,6 DMG. Give me back my old forge charge time. Seeing a Madrugar FULL rep between shot is real bullshit. This would be a start yes. Also removing the vehicle recall functionality outside the redline, so that when you're taking tremendous fire and think you can't escape you can just step out of your tank and make it disappear. Yes the big problem of vehicle vs av is when someone is recalling it... /sarcasm. If you were going to blow up the tank, then when the person gets out you're still going to blow it up... Failing that you could just shoot the guy who's recalling it. The problems are mostly module stacking, hardeners need to have their active time halved when more than 1 is equipped... Armour rep needs a severe stacking nerf since it doesn't stop repairing when being shot... Damage mods should just be removed because the damage output from even small turrets is fine, large turrets just get stupid. The other thing is large turrets, need to deal a lot less dps... slow the fire rate &/ refire rate of them add some real recoil to the rails and make missiles viable rather than a "haha I got close to you and mashed the fire button so you died, but if I wasn't next to you I wouldn't deal any damage" make it actually usable at range where it should be getting use from.
Devilish Killzone Butt Hurt Try Hards Primus Federation 0	Posted - 2014.03.26 15:18:00 - [60] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Eurydice Itzhak wrote: Quit playing for a few months because of the tank patch. Railguns stupid OP. LAVs worthless. 0 sp mlt tanks 100% as combat effective as 20m sp tanks. Have any of these been addressed? We're looking at running a hotfix (hopefully by the end of this week - but if not then next week) to address some concerns. The only thing Dev's need to do with tanks is increase the price tag. Militia tank frames should be 250,000 ISK. Standard should be 500,000 ISK. advanced should be 1,000,000, and proto should be 1.5 mill. That would stop spam. Also reduce the number of tanks able to be placed to 2. Also I don't agree with getting 2 AV or flux grenades. Locus grenades were okay with than nerf. Any other type of AV should be buffed as well. I hope you guys take thes into consideration. From a players perspective I think veryone would agree. Tanks aren't over powered AV is under powered.



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