DUST Search - Whats changed for vehicles?

Monkey MAC wrote:

Ld Collins wrote:

Monkey MAC wrote:

CLONE ALPHA 001 wrote:

i see ppl crying because they can't take a tank out by themselves. ITS A TANK you shouldn't be able to kill it buy your self. get a friend in your squad.

How many people are driving and operating that tank? 1
How many people bought and paid for that tank? 1
How many people skilled into using the tank? 1

How many people should it take to kill 1 Scout? 1
How many people should it take to kill 1 Assault? 1
How many people should it take to kill 1 Sentinel? 1

How many people should it take to dispose of a LAV? 1
How many people should it take to disposs of a DS? 1
How many people should it take to dispose of a HAV? 3? And you don't see the mathematical conundrum that arises from that?

If this becomes true then make tanks dirt cheap. I'm a tanker and Aver and ive killed multiple tanks by myself by just using my brain. I've skilled into weapons that would assist me in my attempts Id lay traps and force tankers into them. People want to use 1 method to take out tanks and they want that 1 method to work and if it doesn't work its OP. Most tanks are fine as they are, I have had tankers shitting bricks when they see me on the field they would rather hop out of the tank to gun me down then to come after me.

Here are the problems with tanks Railguns are OP and Militia tanks are too effective if militia tanks were solo'ed then I'm ok with that maddys and gunnlogis though should take teamwork. You all want your God Mode solo tanking abilities of 1.6 back but its not going to happen. I've killed tanks with LAVs I've seen tanks killed with ADS I've killed tanks with other tanks I've killed tanks with swarms, proximity explosives and jihad jeeps. I've seen double forge gun teams rip tanks apart the lot of you are just running into unfortunate circumstances where the enemy team has a squad of tankers and your team doesn't.

If everyone wouldn't have been chasing FOTM in 1.7 then you would have more AVers on the field but no everyone is chasing KD/R and Sp. Its not impossible to Solo a tank in 1.8 I do it all the time. One day i decided to squad up with 1 other person who had demolition skills i destroyed 11 vehicles in that match killing 1 tanker 3 times in a row.

I'm not saying its impossible to solo a tank, infact its real easy, if reverse towards you with his hardners off, but then again how often does that happen.
The point your missing, the point that has been at the heart of this discussion since the dawn of time.

Your one man in a tank, what permits you as one man to be worth more than your infantry counterparts?

You can't say price anymore,
the price is right the strength is not.

You can't say SP,
everyone spends SP, spending more does not justify such strength

You can't say, because Im a tank
and I'm a genetically modified super soilder carrying a Assault Rifle that cannabalised from an fighter jet cannon

You can't say because its a HAV so it shouldn't be easy to kill with light weapons
otherwise heavies need another buff

So long as physically operating a tank does not require teamwork then neither should removing 1 from play.
It should be optional not compulsory.

Tanks should either be
1) Reletively simple destroy/suppress/deny
or
2) Indestructible but with limited firepower

Now you can say you do it all the time, but I can also say I speak swahili.
Spkr4thedead tried convincing me infantry AV was fine, with a HAV railgun.

I don't want AV god mode, Im just sick and tired of the current god mod tankers are trying to tell me doesn't exsist.
It's all well and good saying "you've been unlucky" but when so many people on the forums are saying the same thing, its not luck its maths.


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Eurydice Itzhak Providence Guard Templis CALSF 371	Posted - 2014.03.26 06:50:00 - [1] - Quote Quit playing for a few months because of the tank patch. Railguns stupid OP. LAVs worthless. 0 sp mlt tanks 100% as combat effective as 20m sp tanks. Have any of these been addressed?
Eurydice Itzhak Providence Guard Templis CALSF 371	Posted - 2014.03.26 06:53:00 - [2] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: No. I just ignore the immortal tanks. Vehicle specialist here. Quit playing dust due to the increased frailty of vehicles. Railgun OP.
Eurydice Itzhak Providence Guard Templis CALSF 371	Posted - 2014.03.26 06:59:00 - [3] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Eurydice Itzhak wrote: Quit playing for a few months because of the tank patch. Railguns stupid OP. LAVs worthless. 0 sp mlt tanks 100% as combat effective as 20m sp tanks. Have any of these been addressed? We're looking at running a hotfix (hopefully by the end of this week - but if not then next week) to address some concerns. Very surprised for a dev response haha. I know the community is screaming for infantry based AV to be more effective and I can dig it but vehicle based AV is hilariously strong. If railguns are nerfed in a large way and mlt vehicles have more drawbacks than just cooldowns you'll have two returning players on your hands. Any specifics on the hotfix? Or any general ideas? Or possibly cryptic haiku?
Eurydice Itzhak Providence Guard Templis CALSF 371	Posted - 2014.03.26 07:09:00 - [4] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: I can't elaborate more at this stage (simply because I'm not aware precisely what these fixes would entail yet), but I know that the guys are taking a look at it. Vague but hopefully something good will come out of it. I appreciate the replies and ill check back over the next few weeks for this hotfix. Have a good night/day. P.s. If it only addresses infantry AV ill cry and blame you for getting my hopes up
Eurydice Itzhak Providence Guard Templis CALSF 371	Posted - 2014.03.26 07:13:00 - [5] - Quote Zirzo Valcyn wrote: not true, the SP does pay off if spent well there's way less AV atm less tanks, dropships got good enough where people are crying nerf Also i dont want to make YET ANOTHER thread about this but not really. With my 15m sp spent I have better cooldowns and some small quality of life improvements but nothing that gives any edge over 0 sp tanks in a head on fight.
Eurydice Itzhak Providence Guard Templis CALSF 374	Posted - 2014.03.26 16:07:00 - [6] - Quote To everyone that came here to cry about tanks being OP, go make your own thread don't piggyback off my issues.
Eurydice Itzhak Providence Guard Templis CALSF 378	Posted - 2014.03.27 03:32:00 - [7] - Quote skippy678 wrote: skippy678 wrote: skippy678 wrote: Eurydice Itzhak wrote: To everyone that came here to cry about tanks being OP, go make your own thread don't piggyback off my issues. Considering nobody ever heard of you, or your Corp. ..we will leave your thread alone. Considering without out presence your thread would go Un noticed. Sorry buddy have fun continuing to be unknown. Newb And when you see me and my Corp mates chasing you in the red line and t bagging you you will know it's because of your lack of respect. Punk. We re trying to fix the game we love and you were just lucky enough to get a blue tag. Punk You want a bounty buddy? I only got half a billion to teach you a lesson about minding your own buisness Did you triple quote yourself to talk smack to an old player who hasnt played in months? Go ahead and put a "bounty" on me buddy. I dont play this game lol. Also I'm pretty sure most of the popular tankers know me if only for my old forum presence. Also REALLY mad Ccp saberwing had the nerve to get my hopes up when announced changes have nothing to do with anything i posted about. The railgun change is addressing a redline issue so don't bring that one up.
Eurydice Itzhak Providence Guard Templis CALSF 378	Posted - 2014.03.27 03:36:00 - [8] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Ld Collins wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: CLONE ALPHA 001 wrote: i see ppl crying because they can't take a tank out by themselves. ITS A TANK you shouldn't be able to kill it buy your self. get a friend in your squad. How many people are driving and operating that tank? 1 How many people bought and paid for that tank? 1 How many people skilled into using the tank? 1 How many people should it take to kill 1 Scout? 1 How many people should it take to kill 1 Assault? 1 How many people should it take to kill 1 Sentinel? 1 How many people should it take to dispose of a LAV? 1 How many people should it take to disposs of a DS? 1 How many people should it take to dispose of a HAV? 3? And you don't see the mathematical conundrum that arises from that? If this becomes true then make tanks dirt cheap. I'm a tanker and Aver and ive killed multiple tanks by myself by just using my brain. I've skilled into weapons that would assist me in my attempts Id lay traps and force tankers into them. People want to use 1 method to take out tanks and they want that 1 method to work and if it doesn't work its OP. Most tanks are fine as they are, I have had tankers shitting bricks when they see me on the field they would rather hop out of the tank to gun me down then to come after me. Here are the problems with tanks Railguns are OP and Militia tanks are too effective if militia tanks were solo'ed then I'm ok with that maddys and gunnlogis though should take teamwork. You all want your God Mode solo tanking abilities of 1.6 back but its not going to happen. I've killed tanks with LAVs I've seen tanks killed with ADS I've killed tanks with other tanks I've killed tanks with swarms, proximity explosives and jihad jeeps. I've seen double forge gun teams rip tanks apart the lot of you are just running into unfortunate circumstances where the enemy team has a squad of tankers and your team doesn't. If everyone wouldn't have been chasing FOTM in 1.7 then you would have more AVers on the field but no everyone is chasing KD/R and Sp. Its not impossible to Solo a tank in 1.8 I do it all the time. One day i decided to squad up with 1 other person who had demolition skills i destroyed 11 vehicles in that match killing 1 tanker 3 times in a row. I'm not saying its impossible to solo a tank, infact its real easy, if reverse towards you with his hardners off, but then again how often does that happen. The point your missing, the point that has been at the heart of this discussion since the dawn of time. Your one man in a tank, what permits you as one man to be worth more than your infantry counterparts? You can't say price anymore, the price is right the strength is not. You can't say SP, everyone spends SP, spending more does not justify such strength You can't say, because Im a tank and I'm a genetically modified super soilder carrying a Assault Rifle that cannabalised from an fighter jet cannon You can't say because its a HAV so it shouldn't be easy to kill with light weapons otherwise heavies need another buff So long as physically operating a tank does not require teamwork then neither should removing 1 from play. It should be optional not compulsory. Tanks should either be 1) Reletively simple destroy/suppress/deny or 2) Indestructible but with limited firepower Now you can say you do it all the time, but I can also say I speak swahili. Spkr4thedead tried convincing me infantry AV was fine, with a HAV railgun. I don't want AV god mode, Im just sick and tired of the current god mod tankers are trying to tell me doesn't exsist. It's all well and good saying "you've been unlucky" but when so many people on the forums are saying the same thing, its not luck its maths. I don't want to get into it about a game I dont play anymore but games are still won by uplink spam and capping points I'm guessing? A tank does neither. Killing power gained. Map control lost.