becuase most scouts dont brick tank...

My issue with the scout suit has always been the lack of CPU/PG and since that's been taken care of for 1.8 I have no complaints about it.

Oh, and if you're going to scout, why would you build it like a lower-health assault? What's the point of it?

Ignore the nonsense about brick scouts not being scouts - that's as bad as the saying logis that get high kill counts aren't logis.

Also, if you're actually managing to strafe dodge full-frontal, then I'm assuming you're using kb/m? Because I've never seen anyone using DS3 be able to strafe dodger face to face at all.

Most scouts don't run with an allotek nanohive
Most gallente scouts don't run with more than 300ish armor

Scouts are meant for being fast, being sneaky, and E-war.

Most scouts complain because they get killed way too quickly...mostly because high alpha weapons don't let them retaliate, and scanners can detect them sneaking up on players.

You can brick tank anything and do decent with it, especially if you have good weapons. If a scout can't scout because of broken weapons and mechanics, what's the point of the advantages it has?

This is why 1.8 will be the update scouts have been wanting forever.

Run PC and wait til someone you killed decides to be a **** and run permascans with the focused then all your advantages disappear lol. Thats really what I've found to be the worst thing for me in any match, especially PC.

Currently tha scanner takes 5 seconds to use, ample time to kill the user, and it will only show you on the map for 5 seconds, then the scanner has a 25 second cooldown. For this to be effective the other team needs 4-6 of these in action spread among 2-4 players.

Like many others I decided to put the events 3 M SP into another suit to get a new experience knowing that the SPs will be refunded shortly. So I got the Galente scout and I've been running it for 2 days.

I have various fits off course but lets focus on a more "assault fitted suit".
So I get 160 shields 470 armor with a 6.25 passive rep, and an Allotek hive to get that armor back when I'm in a tight spot. Its fast, semi stealthy and wields proto weapons.

Yes its obviously not a dual tanked logi fit with 1000 HP but it works very well, I've had many solid games with it, several with 30+ kills and 1-3 deaths. I also suppose the dampened speed tanked shotty fit I have is a great one with a little skillpoints invested in the shotty and a little time invested in playing that particular role.

Even though the shields are only 160, they still come back extremely fast. I often take 500 points of damage, go to cover, toss down an allotek hive and I'm ready to go. I've also noticed that people hit me way less in this suit. I've gone up against several tanky protosuits front to front and won cause they simply can't track my strafeing.

So I ask you, (mostly too) proud scouts of this community, Whats with all the QQ?

I've seen thread after thread from scouts claiming their suits, indeed their entire role is UP. I've held my tongue cause I haven't had a scout suit properly specced yet. But after running it for 2 days I just can't see what the big deal is about. Take away the 2 damage mods and the HP and rep speed is almost identical to my Amarr assault. Yes 2 damage mods or 2 shield extenders is more but the Amarr assault would be a much worse suit if I tried to match the scout suits speed and stealth....

What exactly is or soon to be "was" the big deal about scout suits being UP? I don't get it.....

Recently started Gall Scouting, mostly run Adv with Shotty, SMG and Scanner. It's so much fun but of course I have to learn to play completely different now, with just a little over 300 total HP.

I'm steadily improving my Scout playstyle, taking cover and flanking works like a charm, depending on the map, most of the time. My best run so far, just had a few ones in this role, was 16-3 in Dom.

Needless to say if I run around in the open, I get squashed in less than a sec of course :)

Thanks to everybody on the forum encouraging ppl to play the scout class

Btw. is there a channel to squad up with other Scouts?

Thats true but if your 20 meters out or so flanking on the enemy and they do their 360 spin your totally screwed. It happens more often than you'd think. At least it won't be a problem for me in 1.8 tho.

Ignore the nonsense about brick scouts not being scouts - that's as bad as the saying logis that get high kill counts aren't logis.

Also, if you're actually managing to strafe dodge full-frontal, then I'm assuming you're using kb/m? Because I've never seen anyone using DS3 be able to strafe dodger face to face at all.

But that's exactly what this community expect logis just doing logi stuff, scout are just there to die, heavies should be stationary turrets.....

Regarding the OP.

1. any brick tanked suit can do in pubs (ok you don't even need to brick tank). Most scouts don't think we need more hp because we wan't to SCOUT, not necessarily chasing the latest FOTM weapon and brick tank to be of any use.

What's the point of having different suits and roles if the only way to be of any use is stack armor and kill suff like assaults??

Right we could simply remove all but assault suits...what most (real) scouts want is to have a role apart from killing stuff because I can do this with other suits in a better way I don't need to use to lowest hp suit with a nimble speed advantage (that gets negated by armor plates) or a lower profile...

I want to actually play as scout sneaking behind enemy lines provide intel, and get rewarded for doing so. Unfortunately CCP forces us to be light slayers as this is the only way for scouts to get a reasonable amount of WP (independent from game modes)

And in that regard scouts gets simply outclassed.

And just because a good player can be good in that suit against weaker players doesn't change the underlying problem.

But that's exactly what this community expect logis just doing logi stuff, scout are just there to die, heavies should be stationary turrets.....

Regarding the OP.

1. any brick tanked suit can do in pubs (ok you don't even to brick tank). Most scouts don't think we need more hp because we wan't to SCOUT, not necessarily chasing the latest FOTM weapon and brick tank to be of any use.

What's the point of having different suits and roles if the only way to be of any use is stack armor and kill suff like assaults??

Right we could simply remove all but assault suits...what most (real) scouts want is to have a role apart from killing stuff because I can do this with other suits in a better way I don't need to use to lowest hp suit with a nimble speed advantage (that gets negated by armor plates) or a lower profile...

I want to actually play as scout sneaking behind enemy lines provide intel, and get rewarded for doing so. Unfortunately CCP forces us to be light slayers as this is the only way for scouts to get a reasonable amount of WP (independent from game modes)

And in that regard scouts gets simply outclassed.

And just because a good player can be good in that suit against weaker players doesn't change the underlying problem.

Well you sort of nailed it.

For winning a battle:
- Kill the enemy.
- Kill the enemy and take his point.
- Defend the point by killing the enemy.

I don't see the "scout" part of it, whats it supposed to be?

Gathering intelligence? I'd much rather take a sniper on top calling stuff out or indeed a post 1.8 Galente logi with dual scanners.
"Be sneaky"? to accomplish what? - Other than ninja hacking the enemy objectives making them strip their "frontline" to hold on to their more homely points, are there more things I can't think of? And in this role the scout far outshines any other suit, no one has the stelth/speed/stamina combo of the scouts.

The role of a "true scout" IMO would be to be a pest and plague to the other team. You'd normally stay between the enemy main spawn and the main area of fighting, if possible. Being sneaky you engage singe targets and get the drop on them before they can join the rest of their group making their main fotce comparably weaker than yours at the point of contestation. You shouldn't get any sort of WP just to be sneaky, but you do get WPs for all the sneaky kills you get and indeed al the sneaky hacks you pull off no?

Be it a logi, heavy, scout or Regnyums grandma, you're still all soldiers, the objective is to kill the enemy and gain map control due to dominating the other team and win the game. The scout is a slightly different take on how to achieve that goal compared to an Assault, you still have a gun, you can still hack and on top of it you can sneak around, going much faster and further than the other suits. I still don't get the massive amount of QQ the scouts have put on these forums for, well, its a whole year now isn't it?

Well you sort of nailed it.

For winning a battle:
- Kill the enemy.
- Kill the enemy and take his point.
- Defend the point by killing the enemy.

I don't see the "scout" part of it, whats it supposed to be?

Gathering intelligence? I'd much rather take a sniper on top calling stuff out or indeed a post 1.8 Galente logi with dual scanners.
"Be sneaky"? to accomplish what? - Other than ninja hacking the enemy objectives making them strip their "frontline" to hold on to their more homely points, are there more things I can't think of? And in this role the scout far outshines any other suit, no one has the stelth/speed/stamina combo of the scouts.

The role of a "true scout" IMO would be to be a pest and plague to the other team. You'd normally stay between the enemy main spawn and the main area of fighting, if possible. Being sneaky you engage singe targets and get the drop on them before they can join the rest of their group making their main fotce comparably weaker than yours at the point of contestation. You shouldn't get any sort of WP just to be sneaky, but you do get WPs for all the sneaky kills you get and indeed al the sneaky hacks you pull off no?

Be it a logi, heavy, scout or Regnyums grandma, you're still all soldiers, the objective is to kill the enemy and gain map control due to dominating the other team and win the game. The scout is a slightly different take on how to achieve that goal compared to an Assault, you still have a gun, you can still hack and on top of it you can sneak around, going much faster and further than the other suits. I still don't get the massive amount of QQ the scouts have put on these forums for, well, its a whole year now isn't it?