Thinking like CCP NO WONDER THEY GET CONFUSED!

Look, leave scouts alone they just came from a real dark place and lets face it your NEVER GONNA PLEASE THOSE THAT CHOSE ASSAULT FROM THE BEGINING!

They are THOSE PEOPLE, the type that cheat with modded controllers, greedy non team players that jack your kills, camp spawn points, the ones that are responsible for everything in this game getting NERFED or abused, their the reason your invincible when you spawn, the reason scouts and shotguns got NERFED going into uprising, the faylock and mass driver nerfs, the constant defending of the old AR, the TAC AR and modded controllers, the scrambler pistol ROF NERF, tanked logis, tanks, militia heavies with proto rail rifles, heavies and drive bys, proto turrets with bpo cars parked, thale snipers whining an complaining.

Their cheap locusts that b!tch and moan until they get what they want then they divide amongst each other as the not as good complain about those that are better at these cheap tactics, things get NERFED they discard an move on while those of us that actually use things like scouts and logis as intended suffer the aftermath.

So I say, give them better assault suits, it will balance scouts and maintain order , cuz you know damn well scouts and cloaks are getting destroyed within 6 months, PC is gonna be spam city and basically assaults are in the same place scouts just got out of.

Maybe give them a 25% reduction to cloaks, and either a 2nd equip, 3rd grenade and or another slot, something ( not all) but something that will make them tuff to deal with and possibly crutch worthy, because that's the only way to keep them from destroying and having everything else NERFED into the ground and abandoned.

Us good players will destroy them no matter whattheyhide behind.

I F**KING SUCK AT SHOOTING AT SCOUTS NERF PL0X CCP!!!!!

Uhm.... Scouts should get reduction to speed penalty on plates.

Joke aside..

Can you guys stop telling others what to do, how to build their "true" scout. A hunter scout is also a scout. You are stuck in the classical role based FPS mentality, where you cannot fit your character the way you want.

Open your minds and accept that this is new eden, where the week ones perish, and the strong ones are thriving.

Edit: Scouts already have a bigger absolute penalty to speed, so no need to do anything about that.

5% of 5.45 > 5% of.5.0

The real problem is that assault suits suck.

Hypocrisy detected.

"Scouts can fit their suits however they want, but tanked scouts are OP, waaaaah, waaaaah!"

I'll be a tanked sensor scout in 1.8. I hope that fits with your ideal of what a scout is (truth is I dont give a damn about what you think. I play this game however I want, because it is a game)

Precision 5, Range 5, Dampening 5, Plates 5, Shield Extension 5. CR and possibly Ion Pistol for OHKing undertanked scouts.

Hypocrisy detected.

"Scouts can fit their suits however they want, but tanked scouts are OP, waaaaah, waaaaah!"

I'll be a tanked sensor scout in 1.8. I hope that fits with your ideal of what a scout is (truth is I dont give a damn about what you think. I play this game however I want, because it is a game)

Precision 5, Range 5, Dampening 5, Plates 5, Shield Extension 5. CR and possibly Ion Pistol for OHKing undertanked scouts.

If you give scouts a harsh penalty for armor tanking then what on earth will the Amarr scout be good at >.>

No

Over the last month I have seen nothing but Armor stacking Scouts pulling 500-600+ eHP for almost every match that I go into. I have see players use Proto Boundless CR & RR, Proto Scanners and an abundance of Armor plates with hardly any penalties. This month has been nothing but frustrating to say the least and that it doesn't even make ANY sense to run a Scout suit when you can just put that health/ weapons on a Medium. CCP, you need to make it where its more of a penalty for light suits to tank THAT much health, because whats the point in running a medium suit when you can just do Scouts? More upgrades for Biotics, more penalty for Armor.

This is why the Gallente Scout will be incredibly the strongest Scout. ON ALL CATEGORIES OF SCOUT.

Over the last month I have seen nothing but Armor stacking Scouts pulling 500-600+ eHP for almost every match that I go into. I have see players use Proto Boundless CR & RR, Proto Scanners and an abundance of Armor plates with hardly any penalties. This month has been nothing but frustrating to say the least and that it doesn't even make ANY sense to run a Scout suit when you can just put that health/ weapons on a Medium. CCP, you need to make it where its more of a penalty for light suits to tank THAT much health, because whats the point in running a medium suit when you can just do Scouts? More upgrades for Biotics, more penalty for Armor.

I'm in wait-and-see mode. Scouts being OP for a month isn't really a big deal to me considering how long they've had the **** end of the stick. If it becomes a problem, I'll be the first one to advocate changes (rest assured) but for now, let's just see what happens.

WHAT!!! ARE YOU HIGH??!! Everyone knows the Amarr scout will be the incredibly strongest suit.

I know Scouts are going to be big come 1.8, but you can't just make a Scout suit outclass a Medium? Then there would be NO POINT in even running one. It needs to be balanced in a hotfix, PRONTO before or during 1.8. Or else you will see a **** ton of Scouts armor stacking; being completely invisible on radar and on screen.

However I'm not sure exactly what we should do. If we punish armor stacking, shouldn't we punish shield stacking?

I just stuck 4 complex plates and 1 complex sheild extender on my gal scout, 756HP Armor 160HP sheild.A total of 916HP, sprint speed for superior to my GK.0 Assault when tanked, movement was fine, lower scan profile,better passive scans.
In 1.8 I will be able to do this but with a cloak.

So..my thoughts:
People will try defend the ability to fit a suit how you want, bringing personalization and diversity to the game. Great, if that was true. Reality is the game is falling into all classes running the same role and same set-ups. Out of all the classes medium assault will feel the hurt from this the most considering a scout, a heavy, a logi and a commando can all play the assault role better. This is called inbalance.
Longer TTK will only push people to boost survivabilty with max HP over trying new directions of playstyle(Stealth, speed,melee).

Assaults need help already,1.8 really does not help them either, that is a different discussion though.

Scout need to have some of the scout taken out of them, if they chose to play an assault role. A scouuts main set of traits are speed, agility and stealth.

Speed: Choosing an armor plate on a scout should have a worse penalty than other classes. A penalty to plates based on frame size could address this; (gunna post some example penalties here, don't take them as THE FIX, just the idea)

Complex plate penalties
Light frame (light/scout/pilot)
-5% to sprint, strafe and base movement speed

Medium Frame(medium/assault and logistics)
-3% to sprint, strafe and base movement speed

Heavy Frame (Heavy/sentinel/commando)
-1% to sprint, strafe and base movement speed

The idea here is that the larger the body is the better it will deal with the extra load from adding armor plates. As for shields, until the change their stats to be realistically balanced(STD 30, ADV 50, PRO 70) they should not get any more penalty.

Agility: An armor plate should fatigue scouts due to weight. Don't need example numbers for this. A reduction to total stamina and stamina regen per plate(a penalty that should seem insignificant to the mediums and heavies).

Stealth: The use of plates could also be penalized by attacking the scouts scan profile.

Armor: Use of armor makes you heavier, meaning your footsteps are louder. A % penalty per stack to Scan Profile db. This number should lower as the frame size increaseas the can better hold the weight.

Shield Shields should emit electronic frequencies that effect the suits scan profile, once again a
% penalty per stack to scan profile db.

Cloaks could also be affected by the weight of a plated scout. Maybe triggering a shimmer if an enemy is close to you when you are walking, more plates further the distance in which the shimmer can be triggered.



I am not saying that all these should be applied, just pointing out how we can allow players to run what ever, but make the act of being a HP monkey degrade as you move away from being a true HP monkey(heavy frame).

Or you could just buff the assult
Any tanked scout scout will get destroyed by a properly fit scout

doesn't appear that way. I've been gunning all frames down with ease tonight. 1complex shield, 4x complex armor plate, 1 boundless CR,TT aSP, compact hive.. easy easy

Lets make a mental leap and say that heavies are the ones that get bonuses to tanking, assaults to attack and scouts to stealth and speed and everything is penalized. I see ppl grumbling about tanked scouts but no one seems to mind over tanked mediums to the point where heavies make no sense.

Heavies will become better still in 1.8, so will scouts, I will soon have 900+ HP cloaked.

I just stuck 4 complex plates and 1 complex sheild extender on my gal scout, 756HP Armor 160HP sheild.A total of 916HP, sprint speed for superior to my GK.0 Assault when tanked, movement was fine, lower scan profile,better passive scans.
In 1.8 I will be able to do this but with a cloak.

So..my thoughts:
People will try defend the ability to fit a suit how you want, bringing personalization and diversity to the game. Great, if that was true. Reality is the game is falling into all classes running the same role and same set-ups. Out of all the classes medium assault will feel the hurt from this the most considering a scout, a heavy, a logi and a commando can all play the assault role better. This is called inbalance.
Longer TTK will only push people to boost survivabilty with max HP over trying new directions of playstyle(Stealth, speed,melee).

Assaults need help already,1.8 really does not help them either, that is a different discussion though.

Scout need to have some of the scout taken out of them, if they chose to play an assault role. A scouuts main set of traits are speed, agility and stealth.

Speed: Choosing an armor plate on a scout should have a worse penalty than other classes. A penalty to plates based on frame size could address this; (gunna post some example penalties here, don't take them as THE FIX, just the idea)

Complex plate penalties
Light frame (light/scout/pilot)
-5% to sprint, strafe and base movement speed

Medium Frame(medium/assault and logistics)
-3% to sprint, strafe and base movement speed

Heavy Frame (Heavy/sentinel/commando)
-1% to sprint, strafe and base movement speed

The idea here is that the larger the body is the better it will deal with the extra load from adding armor plates. As for shields, until the change their stats to be realistically balanced(STD 30, ADV 50, PRO 70) they should not get any more penalty.

Agility: An armor plate should fatigue scouts due to weight. Don't need example numbers for this. A reduction to total stamina and stamina regen per plate(a penalty that should seem insignificant to the mediums and heavies).

Stealth: The use of plates could also be penalized by attacking the scouts scan profile.

Armor: Use of armor makes you heavier, meaning your footsteps are louder. A % penalty per stack to Scan Profile db. This number should lower as the frame size increaseas the can better hold the weight.

Shield Shields should emit electronic frequencies that effect the suits scan profile, once again a
% penalty per stack to scan profile db.

Cloaks could also be affected by the weight of a plated scout. Maybe triggering a shimmer if an enemy is close to you when you are walking, more plates further the distance in which the shimmer can be triggered.



I am not saying that all these should be applied, just pointing out how we can allow players to run what ever, but make the act of being a HP monkey degrade as you move away from being a true HP monkey(heavy frame).