yeah. light frames need to receive a huge speed penalty from plates, to the point where you'll be faster running assault. Maybe add a dampening nerf as well. But then you would also need to reduce ferroscale cpu/pg costs to make them viable for g/a scouts to use to gain small amounts of HP

no. mediums are fine atm, scouts just need to be scouts, not some 900 hp gallente with a rifle

Nooooo!

How else will my amarr scout be viable if I'm not attaining 600+ hp?!

LOL just wait the GAL scout is going to be a beast. think armor tanking scout with a passive self rep of 3 look at lokk the gal suit they all are getting self rep here are the rep rate. (remember this is passive build into the suit) heavies/commando reps 1, assaults/logis reps 2, scout reps 3.

Outcome A - Suits are balanced. Folks stick to what they know. Nothing happens.
Outcome B - Scouts and Heavies are OP. Everyone skills into 'em then they get nerfed.
Outcome C - Scouts and Heavies are OP. Everyone skills into 'em, then CCP buffs Med Frames.

Think we'll get another Respec anytime soon?
I say let them come and sink their SP. It's Tourist Season.

Think 1.8 Amarr scouts will be any better. They can stack some serious serious armor at no loss to speed and a cloak, potentially very dangerous set up.

The game is designed that players will use what works the best, if tanks can use 3 hardeners and Gal Sents will be 1400 eHP why cant scouts make the most of what is available to them? Just because its not how you see a scout doesnt mean its a wrong set up to use. Speed and eHP is a nice combination only to me made deadlier in 1.8

yeah it sux that minmitar, amarr, and even caldari are outclassed by it. My suggestion would be to nerf scouts abilities to plate stack, nerf the pg on the caldari scout so that it uses pretty much just e-war mods, make shield extenders cost less pg at the same time, and more CPU as well, and just make it so that scouts can't tank armor wise. 1 plate should be fine, and 2 plates should be the limit before you are gimping urself

Essentially, the 1.8 gallente scout will be the 1.6-7 new Gallente Logi.... Armor tanked up the ass with proto weapons and Wirkyomi triage hives (no **** it can actually fit all that. I tested it)

However I'm not sure exactly what we should do. If we punish armor stacking, shouldn't we punish shield stacking?

If they're bad scouts, you'll be able to kill them easily. I've done it multiple times.

Also, how are you going to punish shield stacking? They already have the penalty.

Also, I was Gallente Scout before it was cool. Just letting you guys know ;) lol

http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/0/1329 a¦á_a¦á

Have fun moving at the speed of a heavy and showing up on every other scouts radar
*Breach shotgun to the back of the head*

This is scarier -

http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/181/1170

Its not invisible to any of my scout fittings,mand thats not fast at all

Last night I had to use 3 sg blasts an a smg to take out a adv min scout with presumably 2xcomp plates an 2xcomp shields an a toxin AR I don't like these new scout jerks

Ive never had a problem killing tanked scouts. There easy kills to me.
No problem here, no changes needed.
My breach shotgun has never needed more than 2 shots to kill a light or medium suit. Even proto tanked gal logis drop in 2 shots most of the time.

This is going to be my gk.0 shotgunner fit if anyone is interested

Though I am nervous how the change in proficiency will impact the shotgun... I'm going to miss my high RoF

Hypocrisy detected.

"Scouts can fit their suits however they want, but tanked scouts are OP, waaaaah, waaaaah!"

I'll be a tanked sensor scout in 1.8. I hope that fits with your ideal of what a scout is (truth is I dont give a damn about what you think. I play this game however I want, because it is a game)

Precision 5, Range 5, Dampening 5, Plates 5, Shield Extension 5. CR and possibly Ion Pistol for OHKing undertanked scouts.

If you give scouts a harsh penalty for armor tanking then what on earth will the Amarr scout be good at >.>

No

WHAT!!! ARE YOU HIGH??!! Everyone knows the Amarr scout will be the incredibly strongest suit.

I just stuck 4 complex plates and 1 complex sheild extender on my gal scout, 756HP Armor 160HP sheild.A total of 916HP, sprint speed for superior to my GK.0 Assault when tanked, movement was fine, lower scan profile,better passive scans.
In 1.8 I will be able to do this but with a cloak.

So..my thoughts:
People will try defend the ability to fit a suit how you want, bringing personalization and diversity to the game. Great, if that was true. Reality is the game is falling into all classes running the same role and same set-ups. Out of all the classes medium assault will feel the hurt from this the most considering a scout, a heavy, a logi and a commando can all play the assault role better. This is called inbalance.
Longer TTK will only push people to boost survivabilty with max HP over trying new directions of playstyle(Stealth, speed,melee).

Assaults need help already,1.8 really does not help them either, that is a different discussion though.

Scout need to have some of the scout taken out of them, if they chose to play an assault role. A scouuts main set of traits are speed, agility and stealth.

Speed: Choosing an armor plate on a scout should have a worse penalty than other classes. A penalty to plates based on frame size could address this; (gunna post some example penalties here, don't take them as THE FIX, just the idea)

Complex plate penalties
Light frame (light/scout/pilot)
-5% to sprint, strafe and base movement speed

Medium Frame(medium/assault and logistics)
-3% to sprint, strafe and base movement speed

Heavy Frame (Heavy/sentinel/commando)
-1% to sprint, strafe and base movement speed

The idea here is that the larger the body is the better it will deal with the extra load from adding armor plates. As for shields, until the change their stats to be realistically balanced(STD 30, ADV 50, PRO 70) they should not get any more penalty.

Agility: An armor plate should fatigue scouts due to weight. Don't need example numbers for this. A reduction to total stamina and stamina regen per plate(a penalty that should seem insignificant to the mediums and heavies).

Stealth: The use of plates could also be penalized by attacking the scouts scan profile.

Armor: Use of armor makes you heavier, meaning your footsteps are louder. A % penalty per stack to Scan Profile db. This number should lower as the frame size increaseas the can better hold the weight.

Shield Shields should emit electronic frequencies that effect the suits scan profile, once again a
% penalty per stack to scan profile db.

Cloaks could also be affected by the weight of a plated scout. Maybe triggering a shimmer if an enemy is close to you when you are walking, more plates further the distance in which the shimmer can be triggered.



I am not saying that all these should be applied, just pointing out how we can allow players to run what ever, but make the act of being a HP monkey degrade as you move away from being a true HP monkey(heavy frame).

Well I really don't see any major problems with brick tanked scouts. The will be slow, barely able to out strafe a heavy. They will lack mobility and the cloak won't help them in direct combat that much.

Personal I liked the idea of speed penalty based by frame size, this could be a good model to still allow all sandbox play will still limiting unintended fits by some way.

The funny thing is every is complaining about a gal scout with 900hp and 3hp/s selfrepair...whle no one complains about the cal scout with 50hp/s shield repair.



I am way more afraid of a cal scout than a tanked gal (or amarr scout yes they can tank just as good) sure the amount of HP will be drastically lower but he will be back with full shields in seconds, once you hit the gal scout he will have to retreat for minutes...

(unless he has logi support which would 8slow him further down, or is sitting in a rep hive what will make him an even easier target for nades or bullets)

Hmm I don't know the SG will fire slower allowing to react more quickly also the cal scout will most probably know where you are. Armor makes users not only slow in movement (with double the effect to strafing) but also hinder you jumping abilities.
Also ist rather easy to out strafe a SG if you are faster moving than the SG user....

And with two regs the cal suit get get down to roughly 1.6 recharge delay or he could simply add some armor to be more resistant when his shield are down.

You mentioned the flux, sure it will strip his shield but when he uses a core you are dead...

Ok well... hmm where to start? 1. You shall not can not will not nerf my gal scout nor my minja. I agree I see scouts that have way too much hp. The salution is not to nerf my slots. Maybe hmmm I have no idea how to solve this but my gal scout has always had 1 reactive plate and no more hp mods ( the rest of my mods are secret ) with the new bonus I run 2 complex sheild extenders and sometimes 1complex 1 basic ( giving me about 240ish sheild I think and about 120armour ) now no matter what minja gets no nerf ever only buffs. The cal scout needs only percision bonus. I geuss the only way is to nerf pg/cpu on scout or to buff all scout bonuses by abit then take a slot away. Well I have made a completely useless post :D

Ok well if this ha9pens and it effects my heavy im UNSUBSCRIBED AND I WILL HATE YOU. Because anyone who gets my heavy stuff nerfed (or my mods ) deserves to die.