DUST Search - Why all us "old guys" always talk about Skirmish 1.0 and R...

KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:

Spkr4theDead wrote:

Faquira Bleuetta wrote:

Mobius Wyvern wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVZILONI45U&list=UU3GKUr_1HWTLqNnQZRhOhkw

Take a bit of your time and watch this all the way through. Forget the sub-par graphics and the occasional frame-drop, and just look at things like how the character moves, the way the HUD responds to movement, and how the weapons look as they fire.

Also take some time to listen to the sound of your character's movement, and the sound of the weapons and other aspects of the environment.

In the case of these elements, the love we profess is NOT just nostalgia. Look at this footage and tell me that many aspects of it aren't better than what we have now.

those Swarm launcher are so op, now with over multiple nerf patch , their are useless and weak why ccp dont give them back the dumb fire ability again (maybe a new weapon for the cal heavy Twisted

Swarms were the FOTM when they were dumbfire. As such, that ability was promptly removed.

Fun fact: CCP handled the swarm launcher room clearing issue by removing BOTH the dumb fire AND the swarm missiles ability hurt infantry.

Why the both?
No one can tell a good reason.

(EDIT: may be true that dumb fire was removed later on, I have vague memory of dumb firing tanks between Line Harvest warehouses.)

Sees prototompers... Sees blueberries start to snipe... Pulls out commando suit with laser rifle and swarm launcher...

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Aisha Ctarl Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3871	Posted - 2014.03.10 17:19:00 - [121] - Quote God I miss the closed beta. They took away the simple things that made it feel FAR more immerse than current DUST. I could list the ways how we Amarr are better than you, but your lesser mind wouldn't comprehend it.
Lanius Pulvis Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 165	Posted - 2014.03.10 17:37:00 - [122] - Quote The landscape was more interesting, the weapon effects more solid and realistic. The environmental effects were so much grittier and more immersive. Not new, just new to you.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7305	Posted - 2014.03.10 17:45:00 - [123] - Quote Lanius Pulvis wrote: The landscape was more interesting, the weapon effects more solid and realistic. The environmental effects were so much grittier and more immersive. The landscape and game mode, yes. Everything else? NO. It sucked. I was there and I had to endure the glaring issues that I already mentioned a couple of pages back. And don't get me started on the sliding uplinks, dying while falling only 2 inches, having your sprint constantly interrupted every 5 feet by a pebble, suffering dropships that literally crushed you every 10 seconds, etc. I don't care what anyone says. Besides Skirmish 1.0 which was awesome, everything else from Replication to the E3 2012 build (pre-Codex) was just bad. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
crazy space 1 GunFall Mobilization 2200	Posted - 2014.03.10 20:47:00 - [124] - Quote bump
crazy space 1 GunFall Mobilization 2200	Posted - 2014.03.10 20:50:00 - [125] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: Th3rdSun wrote: I've never been a fan of sprint sway,but the HUD,and especially the minimap was light years better than what we have now. Most importantly,the one thing I liked more in that build is that your gun was actually in frame when you were ADS,something that was taken out in the following build,and has never made much sense to me. That map was Probably Slightly Less Boring Than Working.Lots of outdoor cover while still being multitiered and open. Tanks were at a disadvantage,which I won't complain about,but they were still effective back then. Most importantly,the MCC could take damage from rail and missile turrets.If you were lucky enough and could fire on the MCC the entire match,you could blow that thing out of the sky before it could dock. This is all proof that this game is,and now in hindsight,has always been heading in the wrong direction. A lot of FPS peeps complained that the guncam/HUD targetting threw them off and felt unnatural. Sorry but no one said that. It was a lack of RAM memory issue.
Hawkings Greenback Red Star. EoN. 115	Posted - 2014.03.10 20:59:00 - [126] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Lanius Pulvis wrote: The landscape was more interesting, the weapon effects more solid and realistic. The environmental effects were so much grittier and more immersive. The landscape and game mode, yes. Everything else? NO. It sucked. I was there and I had to endure the glaring issues that I already mentioned a couple of pages back. And don't get me started on the sliding uplinks, dying while falling only 2 inches, having your sprint constantly interrupted every 5 feet by a pebble, suffering dropships that literally crushed you every 10 seconds, etc. I don't care what anyone says. Besides Skirmish 1.0 which was awesome, everything else from Replication to the E3 2012 build (pre-Codex) was just bad. Loved the game mode it is still my favourite part of the closed beta. There was definetly some good things during that time but I would be lying if didn't say that there was some bloody annoying stuff as well. Glad I was a part of it. +1 OP thanks for the reminder GÇ£Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.GÇ¥ GÇò Frank Zappa
Maximus Stryker Who Are Those Guys 839	Posted - 2014.03.10 21:08:00 - [127] - Quote i very much miss that map and game type *Faction Channels for FW Staging* PIE Ground Control \| Caldari Hierarchy \| Turalyon \| Chosen Matari
BAD FURRY SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 642	Posted - 2014.03.10 21:16:00 - [128] - Quote CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: Sheds tear. I remember... O god ! How i miss you Privet beta days !! O GOD WHY WHY CANT WE JUST GO BACK TO IT !! WHHHHY !!! I miss it all i miss it soo bad is was so fun then CCP had to remove the 2 part map and the old look and feel of the CRU,s and small blasters.. CCP why why cant to give some of this stuff back ..... Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!
Heimdallr69 Heaven's Lost Property 1812	Posted - 2014.03.10 21:26:00 - [129] - Quote I agree and disagree with Protoman. If ccp would have listened to us dust might be great now but the blame isn't within the Eve players but others that wanted this to be more like cod..which is not what we wanted at all..judging by the ttk we're at now the cod boys one..you are also correct this game takes nearly no skill now, who ever shoots first usually wins unless you're a heavy. Strafing doesn't matter anymore, that might be cuz the auto aim bs but idk for sure. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1142	Posted - 2014.03.10 21:31:00 - [130] - Quote BAD FURRY wrote: CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: Sheds tear. I remember... O god ! How i miss you Privet beta days !! O GOD WHY WHY CANT WE JUST GO BACK TO IT !! WHHHHY !!! I miss it all i miss it soo bad is was so fun then CCP had to remove the 2 part map and the old look and feel of the CRU,s and small blasters.. CCP why why cant to give some of this stuff back ..... My psychiatrist has an open appointment right after mine, shall I have him pencil you in? CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~

Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 4781	Posted - 2014.03.11 00:57:00 - [131] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: I agree and disagree with Protoman. If ccp would have listened to us dust might be great now but the blame isn't within the Eve players but others that wanted this to be more like cod..which is not what we wanted at all..judging by the ttk we're at now the cod boys one..you are also correct this game takes nearly no skill now, who ever shoots first usually wins unless you're a heavy. Strafing doesn't matter anymore, that might be cuz the auto aim bs but idk for sure. Actually, it's because shots have a "kinetic impact" that reduces the speed of the people they hit. The faster your weapon fires, the more this effect slows them down. This is why an HMG hitting you will almost stop you dead even if you're sprinting at full speed. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3380	Posted - 2014.03.11 01:05:00 - [132] - Quote Meh. I do miss the old AR sound and the music. Gamemode looks interesting. The HUD bob looks like a headache and the rest is just meh. So they are trying to bring it back to that TTK? Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Ronan Elsword Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 216	Posted - 2014.03.11 01:17:00 - [133] - Quote I loved this game mode and hope that they'll bring a better version of it back. PvE 2014
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 4781	Posted - 2014.03.11 01:18:00 - [134] - Quote Ronan Elsword wrote: I loved this game mode and hope that they'll bring a better version of it back. As do we all. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Heimdallr69 Heaven's Lost Property 1817	Posted - 2014.03.11 01:35:00 - [135] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: I agree and disagree with Protoman. If ccp would have listened to us dust might be great now but the blame isn't within the Eve players but others that wanted this to be more like cod..which is not what we wanted at all..judging by the ttk we're at now the cod boys one..you are also correct this game takes nearly no skill now, who ever shoots first usually wins unless you're a heavy. Strafing doesn't matter anymore, that might be cuz the auto aim bs but idk for sure. Actually, it's because shots have a "kinetic impact" that reduces the speed of the people they hit. The faster your weapon fires, the more this effect slows them down. This is why an HMG hitting you will almost stop you dead even if you're sprinting at full speed. Eh makes since..I guess if I was shot I wouldn't be moving very fast either.. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Beef Supreme 4 WEKILLING JOY 8	Posted - 2014.03.11 01:58:00 - [136] - Quote Man... I had no idea. This game had so much potential! So unique compared to other shooters. Now Dust is just a clone of everything else. I still have faith in CCP, their no idiots after all.
Ignatius Crumwald Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 617	Posted - 2014.03.11 02:04:00 - [137] - Quote In the before time... When tanks were tanks, heavies were heavies, and scouts were huge assholes.
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 4784	Posted - 2014.03.11 02:20:00 - [138] - Quote Ignatius Crumwald wrote: In the before time... When tanks were tanks, heavies were heavies, and scouts were huge assholes. I remember those days. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Leonid Tybalt Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 305	Posted - 2014.03.11 14:02:00 - [139] - Quote Hehe, I thought games were supposed to IMPROVE after leaving the beta stage, not turn into something worse. The Dust I see in the video looked and sounded awesome (apparently the first team of developers knew that gunshots +äre supposed to be LOUD!). The current Dust seems like a mediocre poor excuse in comparison.
Leonid Tybalt Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 305	Posted - 2014.03.11 14:06:00 - [140] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: I agree and disagree with Protoman. If ccp would have listened to us dust might be great now but the blame isn't within the Eve players but others that wanted this to be more like cod..which is not what we wanted at all..judging by the ttk we're at now the cod boys one..you are also correct this game takes nearly no skill now, who ever shoots first usually wins unless you're a heavy. Strafing doesn't matter anymore, that might be cuz the auto aim bs but idk for sure. Actually, it's because shots have a "kinetic impact" that reduces the speed of the people they hit. The faster your weapon fires, the more this effect slows them down. This is why an HMG hitting you will almost stop you dead even if you're sprinting at full speed. Unlike now, where getting hit by an HMG is affecting you as much as getting hit by a puny rapid firing BB-gun. Seriously, what the hell are the devs thinking when they REMOVE awesome sound effects and interesting mechanics in favor of something shittier by comparison?

Raz Sidona M.T.A.C Assault Operations Command Lokun Listamenn 67	Posted - 2014.03.11 15:12:00 - [141] - Quote I wish i could have been there for that :( lots of things i saw i prefer over what we currently have. Hopefully when CCP goes to 2.0 or to the PS4 they revert certain features back to what was in that video
Meknow Intaki 101	Posted - 2014.03.11 15:15:00 - [142] - Quote I loved this game mode!! Please bring it back ASAP
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 1673	Posted - 2014.03.11 15:15:00 - [143] - Quote The only thing I really miss about the version in this patch is how long it took to kill someone. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Hansei Kaizen The Jackson Five 8	Posted - 2014.03.11 15:38:00 - [144] - Quote My guess is that this is pure nostalgia at work here. I too find the Gamemode and Map and Sounds fascinating. But I think that, if we would move back to this state of things now, in a few months everyone would be tired of it, like everyone is tired of the momentary state. Then someone would post a thread: Look how cool was this in March 2014? Want this back NOW! What I would appreciate being implemented: 1. New (old) Gamemode. 2. New (old) infantry boardable Turrets (cool little stronghold :D) 3. New (old) Map. But thats just starving for new content. I would applaud ANY new content.
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 199	Posted - 2014.03.11 15:45:00 - [145] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Faquira Bleuetta wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVZILONI45U&list=UU3GKUr_1HWTLqNnQZRhOhkw Take a bit of your time and watch this all the way through. Forget the sub-par graphics and the occasional frame-drop, and just look at things like how the character moves, the way the HUD responds to movement, and how the weapons look as they fire. Also take some time to listen to the sound of your character's movement, and the sound of the weapons and other aspects of the environment. In the case of these elements, the love we profess is NOT just nostalgia. Look at this footage and tell me that many aspects of it aren't better than what we have now. those Swarm launcher are so op, now with over multiple nerf patch , their are useless and weak why ccp dont give them back the dumb fire ability again (maybe a new weapon for the cal heavy). Swarms were the FOTM when they were dumbfire. As such, that ability was promptly removed. Fun fact: CCP handled the swarm launcher room clearing issue by removing BOTH the dumb fire AND the swarm missiles ability hurt infantry. Why the both? No one can tell a good reason. (EDIT: may be true that dumb fire was removed later on, I have vague memory of dumb firing tanks between Line Harvest warehouses.) Swarm launchers can still kill infantry... trust me, I've killed teammates as they threw RE on a tank Sees prototompers... Sees blueberries start to snipe... Pulls out commando suit with laser rifle and swarm launcher...
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7315	Posted - 2014.03.11 16:06:00 - [146] - Quote Beef Supreme 4 wrote: Man... I had no idea. This game had so much potential! So unique compared to other shooters. Now Dust is just a clone of everything else. I still have faith in CCP, their no idiots after all. The Call-of-Duty-Easy-Mode fanbois won with all their complaining. Us Eve Online players tried our best to stop them from ruining the game but we lost. Now let's hope CCP Rouge shook things up enough to bring us back to the good old days of awesome gameplay and boundless potential. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
steadyhand amarr TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 2544	Posted - 2014.03.11 16:30:00 - [147] - Quote Rouge had to deal with battlefield EA players he knows fourms and shooter fans give garabage feedback i doubt if he is who i think he is ever encouter the wrong feedback getting through the mob will more likely be used as a pain map rather than feedback "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Kaze Eyrou SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 459	Posted - 2014.03.11 17:14:00 - [148] - Quote DAT NANOHIVE THAT DOESN'T RESUPPLY GRENADES... I'LL SAY IT AGAIN... DAT NANOHIVE THAT DOESN'T RESUPPLY GRENADES... You want people to use grenades tactically CCP? Re-watch this video. // Closed Beta Vet // Logi Bro // Respec Discuss
neausea 1987 R 0 N 1 N 62	Posted - 2014.03.11 17:35:00 - [149] - Quote i never got to play 1.8 but it looks great, wtf happened (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ throws remote explosive and runs to the flank, the RE" was just a decoy
RydogV Shadow Company HQ Lokun Listamenn 679	Posted - 2014.03.11 17:36:00 - [150] - Quote Wow. It is amazing how much I forgot about. Lots of things I liked in that video. Few things not so much. I always preferred the new AR sound to the old, and I do not miss that scope. But other sounds were good, the music was a cool feature that I totally forgot about. And that HUD!! Way better than what we have now. I hate the current mini-map. Loved some of the old animations, the hit markers and of course that female voice. As far as TTK goes, it might have been a little much back in day. But I look forward to trying to reach a happy medium. Tired of the 'paper Merc' gameplay we have now.



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