We have shield extenders that give you 22 hp on suits with 3 slots total. How much longer do you think a shield extender (choice to tank) should help you live?

How is strategy and squad tactic not important now? Nerfing damage and increasing TTK does nothing for spam and zerg except promote it. If it's harder to kill people by yourself, then you will need to zerg it to accomplish the task.

Ars dont count, and btw if you hipfired him in the open it would have been quick
Part 1 of your vid you killed a guy in less of a second, ttk isnt fine.
And you guys were using full ******* proto.
Ttk isnt fine
Ttk isnt fine
Ttk isnt fine

Now please stop with bullshit videos with underpowered wepons and full proto...

Stop front'n there is no strategy or tatics just perma-scanners.

Why ARs don't count?? All of these weapons are getting nerfed...not to mention that if my calculations are correct, the AR has a higher DPS than the combat rifle.

The dude died int he first vid because he had less than 300ehp. That is a **** suit.....but the idea that you are clearly missing is that he could have killed me if I didn't REACT when I did. But nerfing damage and increasing TTK..dude wouldn't even have a chance.

Because it would take him longer to do the damage that he did, which means that I have more time to react and smoke his 300ehp suit. Newbies and low ehp suit players will still get smoked. Difference is, they have less of a chance.

I don't understand your point or motivation for the question.

If you use an inferior suit and weapon, then expect to die faster. That is my point. In this game you can have over 700jp or 800hp of health for an assault or more! The game is designed that way.....which is why we have so many bullets in a mag. So, if you come out with 200hp of health, you should expect to die.

It's like scouts complaining that they get instakilled by heavies. If you choose to go low ehp, then you should expect to die if someone shoots at you. The only guys getting insta-killed are low ehp players. And the idea is to add health when you need it.

His gun was doing 70% damge to you, he sucked, and you were using proto
Ttk isnt fine
And not every uses highest hp suits nor should they

The point is that we have modules/suits for choice. If weapon damage vastly overrides any suit choices beyond minor variance with complex modules on high level suits, the choice is illusory.

If you profer an option to a new player to use a shield extender, or indeed, multiple shield extenders, to increase the duration in which it takes to kill them, and this is not in fact the case... your customization has failed. While the lesser modules should in fact be lesser, if the difference in a "fully-tanked" STD Caldari shield suit is no different from one that didn't fit those tanking modules, then your choices don't matter.

Besides, if you're so imminently skilled as a rambo-type as you believe yourself to be, then managing to aim at a player longer than they aim at you should be no problem. Hell, aim at their head. You won't even notice but a slight difference.

Having a high kill count doesn't make the game more satisfying than any number being higher might. A game where you can custom-fit your suit to engagements shouldn't be about average engagements being very short. It's about the battle, the fight - not your tally. CCP has access to every death stat from every match in the entire game. They can tell what average TTK is much better than you. It's possible they're overshooting with the changes, but I think they were able to measure the status quo just fine. It seems like this means they have better grasp on current TTK as an average across the entire game across tiers than your video does. The plural of anecdote is not data.

If you're really into seeing numbers go up as a satisfaction mechanic for games, there's browser games involving cookies that get the numbers really high for you.

Not sure if I ever spoke about my own skill level or being a rambo....headshots in this game feel random. As if only the last bullet gets the bonus.

The point is to play and level up to be able to get the suits that vets have. Instead of nerfing everything for guys not trying to improve themselves.

See i don't remember it being that frustrating. The lag in PC in 1.1 and 1.2 was very frustrating yes, but in 1.3 it felt 'okay' and the high TTKs were a blast. 1v1 fights were always very interesting and teamwork meant more when 2v1 engagements became so one sided. It also gave reps a purpose when people could actually survive a 1v1 and then need reps after.

I'm thinking the thing that was frustrating was the disfunctional Hit Detection, and having to reload when you knew damn well you hit the guy.....this will be different because hits will count as hits(mostly) so you'll really be fighting against an effectivly bigger tank but individual skill will make all the difference(yea, i'm convieniently forgetting about AA, but that's another argument).

In surprise/gank situations the extra TTL will amount to tenths of a second.

In no-cover strafing showdowns TTL will go up by maybe a second.

In cover vs. cover by maybe as much as ten seconds, depending on a lot of things.

But these fights should be more interesting and satisfying than the shield-flare fiascos we all remember, which were a sad joke by any measure.

GOD DAMMIT CCP!!!!

Now, that I've gotten that out.....why are you increasing TTK? It is not fun when it takes really long to kill someone. All of these guys complaining about insta-deaths are exaggerating beyond belief. Compare the TTK in BF3 to Dust as it is now. In BF3, you don't have the time to react AT ALL. That is an insta-death. In Dust, you have plenty of time to react. In pubs, I see guys running more ehp on their advanced suits than I have on proto suits that I use.

Assaults/logis are running around with 600hp,700hp or armor and sitting in triage nanohives or getting repped. Do you know how ******** it is to kill a guy with all of that health? I didn't even mention heavies. And I see that the HMG didn't get a nerf. So, they get to keep their TTK and maintain the most ehp in the game while everyone else gets a nerf?

I can already see guys saying...well, use better tactics. And I'm thinking...why wouldn't they use the same advice instead of asking for a nerf to damage? If you feel that you're getting insta-killed. Stay close to cover..so when you start to get hit, you can jump behind it. Because in Dust, even if you aim high, the damage seems to be the same as hitting the body. So, if you have 700ehp, there is no way that you can get instakilled.

And these are huge nerfs, CCP...wtf? You know noone uses enhanced dmg mods, so it goes from 5%-3%. But then 10% - 5% on a complex damage mod??? I don't even use the duvolle anymore but you've essentially turned the Duvolle into an exile?? Don't you see what happened when you nerfed a player's AV defense against tanks? Now, you nerfed our only defense against heavies and players with a huge amount of ehp???

I mean....seriously what is the point of this extremely high TTK? You don't want a game where you get instakilled. But you also don't want a game where it takes forever to kill someone either!

I remember many guys in the old closed beta getting turned off to Dust because they said it took forever to kill people. Very high TTK is not appealing. This is a huge mistake.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWXcHdQe6jE

Ydubbs... watch the video again.

You start shooting at him at 0:31 and he's dead by 0:32.

He did die in 1s...

You would have died in about 1-2s as well if he was a decent shot.

The first video? Yea, he died fast because he had 200hp. My point of the video is that I had time to react when he got the drop on me. 1v1s face to face usually last longer.

When someone gets the drop on you, they have a supreme advantage and you should barely have time to react.

The first video? Yea, he died fast because he had 200hp. My point of the video is that I had time to react when he got the drop on me. 1v1s face to face usually last longer.

When someone gets the drop on you, they have a supreme advantage and you should barely have time to react.

At least my consolation prize for no respec is that I get to be OP as **** for 3 or 4 months

Which is...

GOD DAMMIT CCP!!!!

Now, that I've gotten that out.....why are you increasing TTK? It is not fun when it takes really long to kill someone. All of these guys complaining about insta-deaths are exaggerating beyond belief. Compare the TTK in BF3 to Dust as it is now. In BF3, you don't have the time to react AT ALL. That is an insta-death. In Dust, you have plenty of time to react. In pubs, I see guys running more ehp on their advanced suits than I have on proto suits that I use.

Assaults/logis are running around with 600hp,700hp or armor and sitting in triage nanohives or getting repped. Do you know how ******** it is to kill a guy with all of that health? I didn't even mention heavies. And I see that the HMG didn't get a nerf. So, they get to keep their TTK and maintain the most ehp in the game while everyone else gets a nerf?

I can already see guys saying...well, use better tactics. And I'm thinking...why wouldn't they use the same advice instead of asking for a nerf to damage? If you feel that you're getting insta-killed. Stay close to cover..so when you start to get hit, you can jump behind it. Because in Dust, even if you aim high, the damage seems to be the same as hitting the body. So, if you have 700ehp, there is no way that you can get instakilled.

And these are huge nerfs, CCP...wtf? You know noone uses enhanced dmg mods, so it goes from 5%-3%. But then 10% - 5% on a complex damage mod??? I don't even use the duvolle anymore but you've essentially turned the Duvolle into an exile?? Don't you see what happened when you nerfed a player's AV defense against tanks? Now, you nerfed our only defense against heavies and players with a huge amount of ehp???

I mean....seriously what is the point of this extremely high TTK? You don't want a game where you get instakilled. But you also don't want a game where it takes forever to kill someone either!

I remember many guys in the old closed beta getting turned off to Dust because they said it took forever to kill people. Very high TTK is not appealing. This is a huge mistake.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWXcHdQe6jE

You only had time to react cause he was a bad shot though.

edit: I mean look at it, he had you down at like ~20 armor? And he was using a Frontline suit. If we was fully skilled and using even an advanced weapon with 1-2 damage mods you would been toast before you could turn around.

He basically didn't really watch his own video.

TTK in this game is ******, and the rifle nerfs are a NUDGE in the right direction.

If you combine the nudge with the removal of aim assist and a buff to strafe speeds this game might be more than a gank fest.

You only had time to react cause he was a bad shot though.

edit: I mean look at it, he had you down at like ~20 armor? And he was using a Frontline suit. If we was fully skilled and using even an advanced weapon with 1-2 damage mods you would been toast before you could turn around.

Thats what I said, he was a bad shot with a mlt ar too, hes just too ignorant dont waste your time.

Your second video is deleted.

Buddy, give it up. Microscopic TTK is not something this community wants.

There are tons of other games that have low TTK by design. DUST514 is not supposed to have current TTK by design.

Thats what I said, he was a bad shot with a mlt ar too, hes just too ignorant dont waste your time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YOwIwk02so

"Microscopic TTK"? You're being so dramatic. TTK right now is definitely not fast in comparison to real fast TTK fps games.