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Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 204	Posted - 2014.03.02 11:10:00 - [1] - Quote I was a 19D Cavalry Scout in the US Army. I have seen what real scouts do on a battlefield, and the wanna-be "scouts" in New Eden are no where close. Your mission is to get in a squad and find enemies for your squad. Your squad comes and kills the enemies while you slip away to find more enemies for your squad. It's so simple, yet, pretty much all scouts in this game get it wrong. This is easy to understand because CCP also doesn't understand what a scout's role is. Scouts are not ninjas. They do not carry weapons like Nova Knives. I personally find NK scouts offensive to my former professsion. Scouts are not CQCers. If you are engaging the enemy yourself, it's because you screwed up and they saw you. Scout's main weapons should be their laser designator. Oh, that's right, CCP didn't include that mechanic, which is basically the ONE THING A SCOUT IS SUPPOSED TO DO. Why the F did you even include scouts at all?!? God you guys suck at making video games. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
Aesiron Kor-Azor Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 537	Posted - 2014.03.02 11:12:00 - [2] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: I was a 19D Cavalry Scout in the US Army. I have seen what real scouts do on a battlefield, and the wanna-be "scouts" in New Eden are no where close. Your mission is to get in a squad and find enemies for your squad. Your squad comes and kills the enemies while you slip away to find more enemies for your squad. It's so simple, yet, pretty much all scouts in this game get it wrong. This is easy to understand because CCP also doesn't understand what a scout's role is. Scouts are not ninjas. They do not carry weapons like Nova Knives. I personally find NK scouts offensive to my former professsion. Scouts are not CQCers. If you are engaging the enemy yourself, it's because you screwed up and they saw you. Scout's main weapons should be their laser designator. Oh, that's right, CCP didn't include that mechanic, which is basically the ONE THING A SCOUT IS SUPPOSED TO DO. Why the F did you even include scouts at all?!? God you guys suck at making video games. you tell 'em, boss your mom
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 10251	Posted - 2014.03.02 11:12:00 - [3] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: Scout's main weapons should be their laser designator. Oh, that's right, CCP didn't include that mechanic, which is basically the ONE THING A SCOUT IS SUPPOSED TO DO. Why the F did you even include scouts at all?!? Do you mean the active scanner? That thing I have fit on pretty much every one of my combat logis, and a number of my assaults? You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 204	Posted - 2014.03.02 11:18:00 - [4] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: Scout's main weapons should be their laser designator. Oh, that's right, CCP didn't include that mechanic, which is basically the ONE THING A SCOUT IS SUPPOSED TO DO. Why the F did you even include scouts at all?!? Do you mean the active scanner? That thing I have fit on pretty much every one of my combat logis, and a number of my assaults? No, it works like this. You point it at a target, the target shows up on the minimap of all your squad, and whoever is in a missle battery or whatever can lock on to your signal and shoot the enemy from miles away. It's awesome. We'd crawl through the sand, pop up over a dune, lase a T72, and BOOM the Apache pilot two miles away hits him with a Hellfire. Like I said, awesome. Scouts in DUST need to be able to do this. Having them running around like Power Rangers like they do now is foolish. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 843	Posted - 2014.03.02 11:19:00 - [5] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: I was a 19D Cavalry Scout in the US Army. I have seen what real scouts do on a battlefield, and the wanna-be "scouts" in New Eden are no where close. Your mission is to get in a squad and find enemies for your squad. Your squad comes and kills the enemies while you slip away to find more enemies for your squad. It's so simple, yet, pretty much all scouts in this game get it wrong. This is easy to understand because CCP also doesn't understand what a scout's role is. Scouts are not ninjas. They do not carry weapons like Nova Knives. I personally find NK scouts offensive to my former professsion. Scouts are not CQCers. If you are engaging the enemy yourself, it's because you screwed up and they saw you. Scout's main weapons should be their laser designator. Oh, that's right, CCP didn't include that mechanic, which is basically the ONE THING A SCOUT IS SUPPOSED TO DO. Why the F did you even include scouts at all?!? God you guys suck at making video games. Sorry buddy, your hopes of re-living the old military days through Dust514 are done This is a sci-fi computer game, don't expect it to match up to your time in Military .... Dust is not real-life..... Plasma Cannon performs its suppresion/area denial role perfectly Pity dust players only perform one role - slaying
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 52	Posted - 2014.03.02 11:26:00 - [6] - Quote oh wow, you're military! That means you're a god at this game! Callate
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 204	Posted - 2014.03.02 11:30:00 - [7] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: I was a 19D Cavalry Scout in the US Army. I have seen what real scouts do on a battlefield, and the wanna-be "scouts" in New Eden are no where close. Your mission is to get in a squad and find enemies for your squad. Your squad comes and kills the enemies while you slip away to find more enemies for your squad. It's so simple, yet, pretty much all scouts in this game get it wrong. This is easy to understand because CCP also doesn't understand what a scout's role is. Scouts are not ninjas. They do not carry weapons like Nova Knives. I personally find NK scouts offensive to my former professsion. Scouts are not CQCers. If you are engaging the enemy yourself, it's because you screwed up and they saw you. Scout's main weapons should be their laser designator. Oh, that's right, CCP didn't include that mechanic, which is basically the ONE THING A SCOUT IS SUPPOSED TO DO. Why the F did you even include scouts at all?!? God you guys suck at making video games. Sorry buddy, your hopes of re-living the old military days through Dust514 are done This is a sci-fi computer game, don't expect it to match up to your time in Military .... Dust is not real-life..... Yeah, I get that. I also have no interest in re-living my wicked awesome Army days with this wicked unawesome game. You see, laser designators were supposed to make it into the game. But they didn't. Why? It would be too easy to blow up AUR vehicles. This game only exists to sell AUR, so anything that could hurt sales will never make the cut. But, rather than scrap scouts all together even they don't have an actual, specific only to them role, CCP kept them in anyway. I mean, even -snipers- have a role in this game, i.e. shoot RR users. What is it a scout can do that some other class doesn't already do better? DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
tander09 Shining Flame Amarr Empire 41	Posted - 2014.03.02 11:30:00 - [8] - Quote So I cannot have my Dual SMGs then? Touch my BPO Gear, and you shall perish in the thrusters of a AMARR TITAN!!!!!!! AMARRIAN4LYFE!
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3075	Posted - 2014.03.02 11:30:00 - [9] - Quote He isn't wrong. I'm not saying that the light frame suits shouldn't be used for combat at all, but if you're going to call it a scout than it should be set up for scouting. If they wanted it to be a ninja, they should have called it the ninja suit.
Slash Frenzy R 0 N 1 N 19	Posted - 2014.03.02 11:30:00 - [10] - Quote Quote: Sorry buddy, your hopes of re-living the old military days through Dust514 are done Pirate This is a sci-fi computer game, don't expect it to match up to your time in Military .... Dust is not real-life..... This. But I agree that most play the scout to offensive. Because most play alone and wanna earn WP to get SP. When I-¦m in a squad my main purpose is placing uplinks, hack uncovered objectives and kill sniper/scouts. I do see that this can be a description of the scout in this game. But, just my 2c.

Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 204	Posted - 2014.03.02 11:31:00 - [11] - Quote Krixus Flux wrote: oh wow, you're military! That means you're a god at this game! Callate Not yet, but I've only got 2 million SP. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 204	Posted - 2014.03.02 11:34:00 - [12] - Quote Slash Frenzy wrote: Quote: Sorry buddy, your hopes of re-living the old military days through Dust514 are done Pirate This is a sci-fi computer game, don't expect it to match up to your time in Military .... Dust is not real-life..... This. But I agree that most play the scout to offensive. Because most play alone and wanna earn WP to get SP. When I-¦m in a squad my main purpose is placing uplinks, hack uncovered objectives and kill sniper/scouts. I do see that this can be a description of the scout in this game. But, just my 2c. So, you use your scout as a logi? IS there anything you can do that another class can't? Everything you described I do with a commando. I'm just trying to figure if scouts even have a purpose. If anyone can do what they do, then I'd say they don't. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 204	Posted - 2014.03.02 11:36:00 - [13] - Quote tander09 wrote: So I cannot have my Dual SMGs then? I would love to dual wield weapons. Especially dual Assault CRs. It would be like goldeneye from back in the day on the N64. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 844	Posted - 2014.03.02 11:36:00 - [14] - Quote AV/Scanning/Hacking/Assassinations .... yup we are not meant for 1v1 fights, thats what Assault is for I enjoy scout as it provides a challenge, more enjoyable than 800+ HP assaults with rifles, Scouts are the skilled killers in Dust Because if you mess up, your dead Plasma Cannon performs its suppresion/area denial role perfectly Pity dust players only perform one role - slaying
COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 452	Posted - 2014.03.02 11:37:00 - [15] - Quote Haha did you just try and compare real world military practices with a video game set 20,000 years in the future in a sci-fi universe? Subterfuge scout GOD in the making Proud Minmatar - Republic Mercenary 6/10 Love the Art of War
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 204	Posted - 2014.03.02 11:38:00 - [16] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: AV/Scanning/Hacking/Assassinations .... yup we are not meant for 1v1 fights, thats what Assault is for I enjoy scout as it provides a challenge, more enjoyable than 800+ HP assaults with rifles, Scouts are the skilled killers in Dust Because if you mess up, your dead 800 hp assault suits? Mine has like 350..... no wonder I get killed every time I put it on. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 205	Posted - 2014.03.02 11:44:00 - [17] - Quote COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: Haha did you just try and compare real world military practices with a video game set 20,000 years in the future in a sci-fi universe? No, I'm pointing out a mechanic we were promised and will never see, without which an entire class has no purpose. Scouts can't do anything that another class can't already do. I'm trying to see if anybody can tell me what the advantage to being a DUST scout is, if there is one. Not an Easy Button, but something they can do that would com[pletely change my game experience and warrant specifically going 'scout' with an alt. I want to see something different than what I'm seeing with the light, medium ,heavy, and commando alts I'm using now. Grinding has become boring. I need something interesting to do. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 845	Posted - 2014.03.02 11:45:00 - [18] - Quote SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED Plasma Cannon performs its suppresion/area denial role perfectly Pity dust players only perform one role - slaying
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2117	Posted - 2014.03.02 11:45:00 - [19] - Quote Sorry if you find it offensive, but this is a game. Do you really think most people would play a scout just to use a laser designator? Do you really think most people would play a heavy just to play defense role? Do you really think most people would play a Logistics just to be a medic? The idea of this game is you are given the choice to play it however you want. If you want to be a guy in a scout suit running round with active scanner and using squad commands like a laser designator that is your perogative. If the guy next to you wants to be a damn power ranger then he can be. There are no set "roles" if you want to play heavy you play it how you want, you do that, give him a laser rifle and watch in glee as people run from your long ramge weapon, you wanna be a mad bomber with a logistics suit be my guest, you wanna be some kind of chuck norris beating people to death fine by me. We are not should not be forced into set roles its good for the game. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 7018	Posted - 2014.03.02 11:45:00 - [20] - Quote Well... In a shooter, not killing people could become seriously boring. Just calling out targets... bleh Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos

Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 206	Posted - 2014.03.02 11:48:00 - [21] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Sorry if you find it offensive, but this is a game. Do you really think most people would play a scout just to use a laser designator? Do you really think most people would play a heavy just to play defense role? Do you really think most people would play a Logistics just to be a medic? The idea of this game is you are given the choice to play it however you want. If you want to be a guy in a scout suit running round with active scanner and using squad commands like a laser designator that is your perogative. If the guy next to you wants to be a damn power ranger then he can be. There are no set "roles" if you want to play heavy you play it how you want, you do that, give him a laser rifle and watch in glee as people run from your long ramge weapon, you wanna be a mad bomber with a logistics suit be my guest, you wanna be some kind of chuck norris beating people to death fine by me. We are not should not be forced into set roles its good for the game. You call racial bonuses for suits and weapons 'Not Being Forced Into Set Roles'? And also, yes, to your first question, if this was any other game. but I have to keep reminding myself where I am. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 845	Posted - 2014.03.02 11:50:00 - [22] - Quote 'Welcome to New Eden' Aura ''please leave your logic and sanity behind you'' Plasma Cannon performs its suppresion/area denial role perfectly Pity dust players only perform one role - slaying
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1181	Posted - 2014.03.02 11:50:00 - [23] - Quote your confusing a suits role with its name dude. its a "scout" suit, not a scout. its a cloaky hard to see/find target that can idealy pick its fights, its more of an assasin then anything else. suit name =/= role it functions closer to a rogue, its goal is to find and hunt specific targets using its steath to track and close in at an oportune moment. as rogues in WoW are for locking down healers, "scout"s in dust are for taking out that logi that keeps repping everyone preventing you from moving in.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2118	Posted - 2014.03.02 11:54:00 - [24] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: Slash Frenzy wrote: Quote: Sorry buddy, your hopes of re-living the old military days through Dust514 are done Pirate This is a sci-fi computer game, don't expect it to match up to your time in Military .... Dust is not real-life..... This. But I agree most play the scout to offensive. Because most play alone and wanna earn WP to get SP. When I-¦m in a squad my main purpose is placing uplinks, hack uncovered objectives and kill sniper/scouts. I do see that this can be a description of the scout in this game. But, just my 2c. So, you use your scout as a logi? IS there anything you can do that another class can't? Everything you described I do with a commando. I'm just trying to figure if scouts even have a purpose. If anyone can do what they do, then I'd say they don't. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, just because a commando can drop uplinks, hack points and kill snipers doesn't mean its the best for the job. Otherwise we would only have 2 basic suits a heavy and a medium because between they can do every job EVER. It like telling my Minmatar Flanking suit is terrible because the Jobs I do with it can be done with any other suit. Which they can, but when your squad is pinned down I would much rather have a fast moderately dampned minmatar to say a lumbering brick tanked amarr as my flanker. But that doesn't mean someone else can play amarr as flanker it just doesn't suit MY style, it's not wrong but to me its not right either. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 206	Posted - 2014.03.02 11:58:00 - [25] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: Slash Frenzy wrote: Quote: Sorry buddy, your hopes of re-living the old military days through Dust514 are done Pirate This is a sci-fi computer game, don't expect it to match up to your time in Military .... Dust is not real-life..... This. But I agree most play the scout to offensive. Because most play alone and wanna earn WP to get SP. When I-¦m in a squad my main purpose is placing uplinks, hack uncovered objectives and kill sniper/scouts. I do see that this can be a description of the scout in this game. But, just my 2c. So, you use your scout as a logi? IS there anything you can do that another class can't? Everything you described I do with a commando. I'm just trying to figure if scouts even have a purpose. If anyone can do what they do, then I'd say they don't. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, just because a commando can drop uplinks, hack points and kill snipers doesn't mean its the best for the job. Otherwise we would only have 2 basic suits a heavy and a medium because between they can do every job EVER. It like telling my Minmatar Flanking suit is terrible because the Jobs I do with it can be done with any other suit. Which they can, but when your squad is pinned down I would much rather have a fast moderately dampned minmatar to say a lumbering brick tanked amarr as my flanker. But that doesn't mean someone else can play amarr as flanker it just doesn't suit MY style, it's not wrong but to me its not right either. We really only have 3 suits now, heavy, logi, and assault. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2118	Posted - 2014.03.02 11:59:00 - [26] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Sorry if you find it offensive, but this is a game. Do you really think most people would play a scout just to use a laser designator? Do you really think most people would play a heavy just to play defense role? Do you really think most people would play a Logistics just to be a medic? The idea of this game is you are given the choice to play it however you want. If you want to be a guy in a scout suit running round with active scanner and using squad commands like a laser designator that is your perogative. If the guy next to you wants to be a damn power ranger then he can be. There are no set "roles" if you want to play heavy you play it how you want, you do that, give him a laser rifle and watch in glee as people run from your long ramge weapon, you wanna be a mad bomber with a logistics suit be my guest, you wanna be some kind of chuck norris beating people to death fine by me. We are not should not be forced into set roles its good for the game. You call racial bonuses for suits and weapons 'Not Being Forced Into Set Roles'? And also, yes, to your first question, if this was any other game. but I have to keep reminding myself where I am. Why though and bow many people do you think would be happy playing that role? With such limited capability most would prefer an assault so they can do what they want. I call racial bonuses for suits and weapons racial parity, personally I think they gave bonuses to racial only weapons to early, we don't have a full enough roster. But when we have everything it would make sense, if you wanaa be an Amaar 'scout' it makes sense you get a bonus to amarrian weaponry, what doesn't make sense is saying have bonuses to Amarr weapons and only give you long range to choose from. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 902	Posted - 2014.03.02 12:00:00 - [27] - Quote With the scanner cooldown increase it sounds like your describing what I see he future role of the Cal and Gal scouts. They can use their passive scan to know the best place to set their scanner, then highlight the enemies for their squad. Yes its not a laser designator but its the closest thing. "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1182	Posted - 2014.03.02 12:01:00 - [28] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: Slash Frenzy wrote: Quote: Sorry buddy, your hopes of re-living the old military days through Dust514 are done Pirate This is a sci-fi computer game, don't expect it to match up to your time in Military .... Dust is not real-life..... This. But I agree most play the scout to offensive. Because most play alone and wanna earn WP to get SP. When I-¦m in a squad my main purpose is placing uplinks, hack uncovered objectives and kill sniper/scouts. I do see that this can be a description of the scout in this game. But, just my 2c. So, you use your scout as a logi? IS there anything you can do that another class can't? Everything you described I do with a commando. I'm just trying to figure if scouts even have a purpose. If anyone can do what they do, then I'd say they don't. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, just because a commando can drop uplinks, hack points and kill snipers doesn't mean its the best for the job. Otherwise we would only have 2 basic suits a heavy and a medium because between they can do every job EVER. It like telling my Minmatar Flanking suit is terrible because the Jobs I do with it can be done with any other suit. Which they can, but when your squad is pinned down I would much rather have a fast moderately dampned minmatar to say a lumbering brick tanked amarr as my flanker. But that doesn't mean someone else can play amarr as flanker it just doesn't suit MY style, it's not wrong but to me its not right either. We really only have 3 suits now, heavy, logi, and scout fixed that for you, heavys and logis are better assault suits. scouts have the unique ability to get in and target/eliminate logis quickly and without as much resistance as other suits. and are therefore more useful then any other thrid role by far if concidering the 1.8 metagame.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2118	Posted - 2014.03.02 12:01:00 - [29] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: Slash Frenzy wrote: Quote: Sorry buddy, your hopes of re-living the old military days through Dust514 are done Pirate This is a sci-fi computer game, don't expect it to match up to your time in Military .... Dust is not real-life..... This. But I agree most play the scout to offensive. Because most play alone and wanna earn WP to get SP. When I-¦m in a squad my main purpose is placing uplinks, hack uncovered objectives and kill sniper/scouts. I do see that this can be a description of the scout in this game. But, just my 2c. So, you use your scout as a logi? IS there anything you can do that another class can't? Everything you described I do with a commando. I'm just trying to figure if scouts even have a purpose. If anyone can do what they do, then I'd say they don't. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, just because a commando can drop uplinks, hack points and kill snipers doesn't mean its the best for the job. Otherwise we would only have 2 basic suits a heavy and a medium because between they can do every job EVER. It like telling my Minmatar Flanking suit is terrible because the Jobs I do with it can be done with any other suit. Which they can, but when your squad is pinned down I would much rather have a fast moderately dampned minmatar to say a lumbering brick tanked amarr as my flanker. But that doesn't mean someone else can play amarr as flanker it just doesn't suit MY style, it's not wrong but to me its not right either. We really only have 3 suits now, heavy, logi, and assault. 1 heavy 1 commando 4 Assaults 4 logistics 2 Scouts This just shows the difference between you and I, you see a family suits all only good for the same thing, I see each individual suit, with its races positives and negatives and even how I can utilise these for roles that suit can excel with. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC Intara Direct Action Caldari State 421	Posted - 2014.03.02 12:02:00 - [30] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: I was a 19D Cavalry Scout in the US Army. I have seen what real scouts do on a battlefield, and the wanna-be "scouts" in New Eden are no where close. Your mission is to get in a squad and find enemies for your squad. Your squad comes and kills the enemies while you slip away to find more enemies for your squad. It's so simple, yet, pretty much all scouts in this game get it wrong. This is easy to understand because CCP also doesn't understand what a scout's role is. Scouts are not ninjas. They do not carry weapons like Nova Knives. I personally find NK scouts offensive to my former professsion. Scouts are not CQCers. If you are engaging the enemy yourself, it's because you screwed up and they saw you. Scout's main weapons should be their laser designator. Oh, that's right, CCP didn't include that mechanic, which is basically the ONE THING A SCOUT IS SUPPOSED TO DO. Why the F did you even include scouts at all?!? God you guys suck at making video games. You do realize that the classes and roles are not defined by your interpretation of what the United States Army uses scouts for? They are defined by the people who make this game, and its based on space man technology, far in the future, where scouts have knives, and do what the **** we want..... Why do people always feel the need to put their b u l l s h I t on how we are supposed to utilize our suits, why the he ll does it matter what I do with my suit? When the day comes that the insufferable amount of bitching from this player base leads to hard roles being defined by ccp to the point that we cant create the custom fits that are really at the heart of why this game is still bad ass, on that day dust will die..... Our ability to have the freedom to make suit choices both good and bad are 1of the top 3 reasons I play dust.... The game makers can define the suit role, but how you implement that role and to what end is our choice. No one here should be telling others how to use a suit or gun, thats why logis are being nerfed, and yet we will always slay because when you spawn in your gun is in your hand, not, your rep tool.... Heavies will continue to use rr, because they can, and scouts will continue to cut your efing head off because its fun and cool and difficult.... Dont define my roll, know your own, slow it down, and get good with it.

COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 454	Posted - 2014.03.02 12:03:00 - [31] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: Haha did you just try and compare real world military practices with a video game set 20,000 years in the future in a sci-fi universe? No, I'm pointing out a mechanic we were promised and will never see, without which an entire class has no purpose. Scouts can't do anything that another class can't already do. I'm trying to see if anybody can tell me what the advantage to being a DUST scout is, if there is one. Not an Easy Button, but something they can do that would com[pletely change my game experience and warrant specifically going 'scout' with an alt. I want to see something different than what I'm seeing with the light, medium ,heavy, and commando alts I'm using now. Grinding has become boring. I need something interesting to do. Well, let's see...they will be/have: Fastest infantry unit Invisible electronically Almost invisible visually 2 equipment slots Light weapon & side arm slots CCP Remnant: Quote: To me, the Scout role has always been about creating a disruptive force on the battlefield. HeGÇÖs the guy that can cover enough ground quickly enough to get drop uplinks into the right places (that is, if everyone didnGÇÖt carry one, but more on that later), hack objectives back, disperse squad members (nothing makes people scatter faster than a KC-amped shotgunner) and generally make a nuisance of himself. http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/12/interview-with-ccp-remnant/ Scouts are already doing this, 1.8 will allow them to do it much more efficiently. What other suit, bar logi, has 2 equipment slots? Which can avoid adv scanners with no modules? Which can fit cloaks and still be functional? I used to think that logis where the most diverse/fun/interesting role able to facilitate victory on the battlefield without having to be a pew pew man like the rest...scouts are about to take that crown in my mind. Subterfuge scout GOD in the making Proud Minmatar - Republic Mercenary 6/10 Love the Art of War
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1389	Posted - 2014.03.02 12:04:00 - [32] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: I was a 19D Cavalry Scout in the US Army. I have seen what real scouts do on a battlefield, and the wanna-be "scouts" in New Eden are no where close. Your mission is to get in a squad and find enemies for your squad. Your squad comes and kills the enemies while you slip away to find more enemies for your squad. It's so simple, yet, pretty much all scouts in this game get it wrong. This is easy to understand because CCP also doesn't understand what a scout's role is. Scouts are not ninjas. They do not carry weapons like Nova Knives. I personally find NK scouts offensive to my former professsion. Scouts are not CQCers. If you are engaging the enemy yourself, it's because you screwed up and they saw you. Scout's main weapons should be their laser designator. Oh, that's right, CCP didn't include that mechanic, which is basically the ONE THING A SCOUT IS SUPPOSED TO DO. Why the F did you even include scouts at all?!? God you guys suck at making video games. And while we are at it GÇö Everything in this game is offensive to my former profession as a Marine infantry rifleman. People don't know how to operate as tactically as military, people jump around way too much, sniping is ruined and totally bass akwards, there are no real battle lines or solid direction of enemy approach, no real camo, no prone positions and emphasis on careful movement, neverending supplies from hives, no comms discipline, no 3D depth of field, peripheral vision or sound to better I.D. targets, no tactile feel of a rifle, only a stupid game controller to try and aim with, latency with hit and visual detection. This is why I think this game silly and quickly lost interest in trying to treat it more as I would like to. I get drunk and run around like it's frat a party. Because that is exactly all it is, a stupid, updated version of the engine it is based on GÇö Unreal Tournament. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 206	Posted - 2014.03.02 12:11:00 - [33] - Quote INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: I was a 19D Cavalry Scout in the US Army. I have seen what real scouts do on a battlefield, and the wanna-be "scouts" in New Eden are no where close. Your mission is to get in a squad and find enemies for your squad. Your squad comes and kills the enemies while you slip away to find more enemies for your squad. It's so simple, yet, pretty much all scouts in this game get it wrong. This is easy to understand because CCP also doesn't understand what a scout's role is. Scouts are not ninjas. They do not carry weapons like Nova Knives. I personally find NK scouts offensive to my former professsion. Scouts are not CQCers. If you are engaging the enemy yourself, it's because you screwed up and they saw you. Scout's main weapons should be their laser designator. Oh, that's right, CCP didn't include that mechanic, which is basically the ONE THING A SCOUT IS SUPPOSED TO DO. Why the F did you even include scouts at all?!? God you guys suck at making video games. You do realize that the classes and roles are not defined by your interpretation of what the United States Army uses scouts for? They are defined by the people who make this game, and its based on space man technology, far in the future, where scouts have knives, and do what the **** we want..... Why do people always feel the need to put their b u l l s h I t on how we are supposed to utilize our suits, why the he ll does it matter what I do with my suit? When the day comes that the insufferable amount of bitching from this player base leads to hard roles being defined by ccp to the point that we cant create the custom fits that are really at the heart of why this game is still bad ass, on that day dust will die..... Our ability to have the freedom to make suit choices both good and bad are 1of the top 3 reasons I play dust.... The game makers can define the suit role, but how you implement that role and to what end is our choice. No one here should be telling others how to use a suit or gun, thats why logis are being nerfed, and yet we will always slay because when you spawn in your gun is in your hand, not, your rep tool.... Heavies will continue to use rr, because they can, and scouts will continue to cut your efing head off because its fun and cool and difficult.... Dont define my roll, know your own, slow it down, and get good with it. CCP is already forcing us into specific roles with bs racial bonuses. But if you like running around thinking you're really being a "scout" doing whatever it is you're doing that everybody else can do, whatevs man. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2119	Posted - 2014.03.02 12:17:00 - [34] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: I was a 19D Cavalry Scout in the US Army. I have seen what real scouts do on a battlefield, and the wanna-be "scouts" in New Eden are no where close. Your mission is to get in a squad and find enemies for your squad. Your squad comes and kills the enemies while you slip away to find more enemies for your squad. It's so simple, yet, pretty much all scouts in this game get it wrong. This is easy to understand because CCP also doesn't understand what a scout's role is. Scouts are not ninjas. They do not carry weapons like Nova Knives. I personally find NK scouts offensive to my former professsion. Scouts are not CQCers. If you are engaging the enemy yourself, it's because you screwed up and they saw you. Scout's main weapons should be their laser designator. Oh, that's right, CCP didn't include that mechanic, which is basically the ONE THING A SCOUT IS SUPPOSED TO DO. Why the F did you even include scouts at all?!? God you guys suck at making video games. You do realize that the classes and roles are not defined by your interpretation of what the United States Army uses scouts for? They are defined by the people who make this game, and its based on space man technology, far in the future, where scouts have knives, and do what the ** we want..... Why do people always feel the need to put their b u l l s h I t on how we are supposed to utilize our suits, why the he ll does it matter what I do with my suit? When the day comes that the insufferable amount of bitching from this player base leads to hard roles being defined by ccp to the point that we cant create the custom fits that are really at the heart of why this game is still bad ass, on that day dust will die..... Our ability to have the freedom to make suit choices both good and bad are 1of the top 3 reasons I play dust.... The game makers can define the suit role, but how you implement that role and to what end is our choice. No one here should be telling others how to use a suit or gun, thats why logis are being nerfed, and yet we will always slay because when you spawn in your gun is in your hand, not, your rep tool.... Heavies will continue to use rr, because they can, and scouts will continue to cut your efing head off because its fun and cool and difficult.... Dont define my roll, know your own, slow it down, and get good with it. CCP is already forcing us into specific roles with bs racial bonuses. But if you like running around thinking you're really being a "scout" doing whatever it is you're doing that everybody else can do,** whatevs man. That is what the whole damn game is about. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1183	Posted - 2014.03.02 12:18:00 - [35] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: I was a 19D Cavalry Scout in the US Army. I have seen what real scouts do on a battlefield, and the wanna-be "scouts" in New Eden are no where close. Your mission is to get in a squad and find enemies for your squad. Your squad comes and kills the enemies while you slip away to find more enemies for your squad. It's so simple, yet, pretty much all scouts in this game get it wrong. This is easy to understand because CCP also doesn't understand what a scout's role is. Scouts are not ninjas. They do not carry weapons like Nova Knives. I personally find NK scouts offensive to my former professsion. Scouts are not CQCers. If you are engaging the enemy yourself, it's because you screwed up and they saw you. Scout's main weapons should be their laser designator. Oh, that's right, CCP didn't include that mechanic, which is basically the ONE THING A SCOUT IS SUPPOSED TO DO. Why the F did you even include scouts at all?!? God you guys suck at making video games. You do realize that the classes and roles are not defined by your interpretation of what the United States Army uses scouts for? They are defined by the people who make this game, and its based on space man technology, far in the future, where scouts have knives, and do what the **** we want..... Why do people always feel the need to put their b u l l s h I t on how we are supposed to utilize our suits, why the he ll does it matter what I do with my suit? When the day comes that the insufferable amount of bitching from this player base leads to hard roles being defined by ccp to the point that we cant create the custom fits that are really at the heart of why this game is still bad ass, on that day dust will die..... Our ability to have the freedom to make suit choices both good and bad are 1of the top 3 reasons I play dust.... The game makers can define the suit role, but how you implement that role and to what end is our choice. No one here should be telling others how to use a suit or gun, thats why logis are being nerfed, and yet we will always slay because when you spawn in your gun is in your hand, not, your rep tool.... Heavies will continue to use rr, because they can, and scouts will continue to cut your efing head off because its fun and cool and difficult.... Dont define my roll, know your own, slow it down, and get good with it. CCP is already forcing us into specific roles with bs racial bonuses. But if you like running around thinking you're really being a "scout" doing whatever it is you're doing that everybody else can do, whatevs man. again your thinking wrong... they arnt being scouts, they are acting as other things in "scout" suits.... just because its a "scout" suit doesnt mean its a scout man. "scout" suits in this game are used for targetted assasination of high priority targets, disruption, uplink hunting, uplink placing, and being able to operate in the oponents areas of control without being instantly noticed. no other suit can acomplish those goals as well. they dont think they are army scouts, they are in "scout" suits doing roles that only "scout" suits can do. its a game and these are game mechanics, everything operates within certain parameters that simply dont exsist in real life.
COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 455	Posted - 2014.03.02 12:28:00 - [36] - Quote I can't wait for my min scout to: do 1000 damage in an instant (mmm charged proto NK swipe!...hope my math is right!) hack 60% quicker (25% role bonus, 10% min scout bonus, 25% hack skill) avoid adv scanners without mods (35 scan profile) cloak without gimping whole fitting (75% reduced PG CPU cost) have TWO equipment slots - this is huge AND have light and side arm Go on about how the scout can't uniquely excel at its role compared to other suits. Post a video of you doing all of the above in another suit and I'll give you 50,000,000 ISK. Subterfuge scout GOD in the making Proud Minmatar - Republic Mercenary 6/10 Love the Art of War
Oxskull Duncarino 0uter.Heaven 451	Posted - 2014.03.02 12:29:00 - [37] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: I was a 19D Cavalry Scout in the US Army. I have seen what real scouts do on a battlefield, and the wanna-be "scouts" in New Eden are no where close. Your mission is to get in a squad and find enemies for your squad. Your squad comes and kills the enemies while you slip away to find more enemies for your squad. It's so simple, yet, pretty much all scouts in this game get it wrong. This is easy to understand because CCP also doesn't understand what a scout's role is. Scouts are not ninjas. They do not carry weapons like Nova Knives. I personally find NK scouts offensive to my former professsion. Scouts are not CQCers. If you are engaging the enemy yourself, it's because you screwed up and they saw you. Scout's main weapons should be their laser designator. Oh, that's right, CCP didn't include that mechanic, which is basically the ONE THING A SCOUT IS SUPPOSED TO DO. Why the F did you even include scouts at all?!? God you guys suck at making video games. Ooh you adorable idiot Here's a fun fact! While they can and do take influence from real life, video games are not real life What, next are you going to try to compare heavies with HMGs and massive armor plates with shielding etc., to............................., or transfer of memories from one clone to another is similar in RL to.....................yeh, you're going to have a slight problem there. Actually, you'll have a problem with most elements of Dust if you try to compare them like that. Lol, I've the utmost respect for most present/past military personal, but your post is idiotic to the extreme, when you compare what those that have served in RL have done with a game. What I find more funny is that you think a suit class name denotes a players roles in a game that promotes flexibility. A fast suit that is usually invisible to all other classes unless they're in the FOV, is perfectly suited to the use of shotguns, NKs , remotes, etc., that involves getting in close for a ninja like ambush, and then disappearing again. Edit - What I posted has already been said here, but a little repetition shouldn't hurt here
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 206	Posted - 2014.03.02 12:30:00 - [38] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: I was a 19D Cavalry Scout in the US Army. I have seen what real scouts do on a battlefield, and the wanna-be "scouts" in New Eden are no where close. Your mission is to get in a squad and find enemies for your squad. Your squad comes and kills the enemies while you slip away to find more enemies for your squad. It's so simple, yet, pretty much all scouts in this game get it wrong. This is easy to understand because CCP also doesn't understand what a scout's role is. Scouts are not ninjas. They do not carry weapons like Nova Knives. I personally find NK scouts offensive to my former professsion. Scouts are not CQCers. If you are engaging the enemy yourself, it's because you screwed up and they saw you. Scout's main weapons should be their laser designator. Oh, that's right, CCP didn't include that mechanic, which is basically the ONE THING A SCOUT IS SUPPOSED TO DO. Why the F did you even include scouts at all?!? God you guys suck at making video games. You do realize that the classes and roles are not defined by your interpretation of what the United States Army uses scouts for? They are defined by the people who make this game, and its based on space man technology, far in the future, where scouts have knives, and do what the **** we want..... Why do people always feel the need to put their b u l l s h I t on how we are supposed to utilize our suits, why the he ll does it matter what I do with my suit? When the day comes that the insufferable amount of bitching from this player base leads to hard roles being defined by ccp to the point that we cant create the custom fits that are really at the heart of why this game is still bad ass, on that day dust will die..... Our ability to have the freedom to make suit choices both good and bad are 1of the top 3 reasons I play dust.... The game makers can define the suit role, but how you implement that role and to what end is our choice. No one here should be telling others how to use a suit or gun, thats why logis are being nerfed, and yet we will always slay because when you spawn in your gun is in your hand, not, your rep tool.... Heavies will continue to use rr, because they can, and scouts will continue to cut your efing head off because its fun and cool and difficult.... Dont define my roll, know your own, slow it down, and get good with it. CCP is already forcing us into specific roles with bs racial bonuses. But if you like running around thinking you're really being a "scout" doing whatever it is you're doing that everybody else can do, whatevs man. again your thinking wrong... they arnt being scouts, they are acting as other things in "scout" suits.... just because its a "scout" suit doesnt mean its a scout man. "scout" suits in this game are used for targetted assasination of high priority targets, disruption, uplink hunting, uplink placing, and being able to operate in the oponents areas of control without being instantly noticed. no other suit can acomplish those goals as well. they dont think they are army scouts, they are in "scout" suits doing roles that only "scout" suits can do. its a game and these are game mechanics, everything operates within certain parameters that simply dont exsist in real life. Except those are not roles only a scout suit user can do. I could do all those things with my heavy, and do it with a HMG, which only a heavy can use. See what I'm getting at? I'm trying to stay interested in this game, but there's nothing to do. I've wrung the life from light, medium, and heavy suits. I've seen everything they offer. And I've only been playing like 5 weeks now. Beyond the scout suit pissing me off due to reasons I previously stated, I had hoped taking on that role would give me something new, which it apparently cannot. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1185	Posted - 2014.03.02 12:33:00 - [39] - Quote COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: I can't wait for my min scout to: do 1000 damage in an instant (mmm charged proto NK swipe!...hope my math is right!) hack 60% quicker (25% role bonus, 10% min scout bonus, 25% hack skill) avoid adv scanners without mods (35 scan profile) cloak without gimping whole fitting (75% reduced PG CPU cost) have TWO equipment slots - this is huge AND have light and side arm Go on about how the scout can't uniquely excel at its role compared to other suits. Post a video of you doing all of the above in another suit and I'll give you 50,000,000 ISK. good news, the data shows that all scouts have a 5% hacking bonus built in, with the minmatar scout having an extra 10% built into the suit in addition tot he other skills :P
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 206	Posted - 2014.03.02 12:37:00 - [40] - Quote Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: I was a 19D Cavalry Scout in the US Army. I have seen what real scouts do on a battlefield, and the wanna-be "scouts" in New Eden are no where close. Your mission is to get in a squad and find enemies for your squad. Your squad comes and kills the enemies while you slip away to find more enemies for your squad. It's so simple, yet, pretty much all scouts in this game get it wrong. This is easy to understand because CCP also doesn't understand what a scout's role is. Scouts are not ninjas. They do not carry weapons like Nova Knives. I personally find NK scouts offensive to my former professsion. Scouts are not CQCers. If you are engaging the enemy yourself, it's because you screwed up and they saw you. Scout's main weapons should be their laser designator. Oh, that's right, CCP didn't include that mechanic, which is basically the ONE THING A SCOUT IS SUPPOSED TO DO. Why the F did you even include scouts at all?!? God you guys suck at making video games. Ooh you adorable idiot Here's a fun fact! While they can and do take influence from real life, video games are not real life What, next are you going to try to compare heavies with HMGs and massive armor plates with shielding etc., to............................., or transfer of memories from one clone to another is similar in RL to.....................yeh, you're going to have a slight problem there. Actually, you'll have a problem with most elements of Dust if you try to compare them like that. Lol, I've the utmost respect for most present/past military personal, but your post is idiotic to the extreme, when you compare what those that have served in RL have done with a game. What I find more funny is that you think a suit class name denotes a players roles in a game that promotes flexibility. A fast suit that is usually invisible to all other classes unless they're in the FOV, is perfectly suited to the use of shotguns, NKs , remotes, etc., that involves getting in close for a ninja like ambush, and then disappearing again. Edit - What I posted has already been said here, but a little repetition shouldn't hurt here You sure can tell when players have never even seen military tactics or weapons up close. They have no appreciation for how things actually work. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.

COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 455	Posted - 2014.03.02 12:39:00 - [41] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: I can't wait for my min scout to: do 1000 damage in an instant (mmm charged proto NK swipe!...hope my math is right!) hack 60% quicker (25% role bonus, 10% min scout bonus, 25% hack skill) avoid adv scanners without mods (35 scan profile) cloak without gimping whole fitting (75% reduced PG CPU cost) have TWO equipment slots - this is huge AND have light and side arm Go on about how the scout can't uniquely excel at its role compared to other suits. Post a video of you doing all of the above in another suit and I'll give you 50,000,000 ISK. good news, the data shows that all scouts have a 5% hacking bonus built in, with the minmatar scout having an extra 10% built into the suit in addition tot he other skills :P Hehe . Speed hacking NEVER gets old for me so I was delighted to learn this. I think min scout will be my fav suit/role in the whole game...all of my fav things bundled into a badass Matari frame. drool & swoon Subterfuge scout GOD in the making Proud Minmatar - Republic Mercenary 6/10 Love the Art of War
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 206	Posted - 2014.03.02 12:41:00 - [42] - Quote COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: I can't wait for my min scout to: do 1000 damage in an instant (mmm charged proto NK swipe!...hope my math is right!) hack 60% quicker (25% role bonus, 10% min scout bonus, 25% hack skill) avoid adv scanners without mods (35 scan profile) cloak without gimping whole fitting (75% reduced PG CPU cost) have TWO equipment slots - this is huge AND have light and side arm Go on about how the scout can't uniquely excel at its role compared to other suits. Post a video of you doing all of the above in another suit and I'll give you 50,000,000 ISK. Well, since you can't do any of the above with your SCOUT SUIT (haha) that just doesn't make any sense in the context of this discussion. Waiting on these updates, LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL How long have you been waiting? I stand by my statement that there's nothing a scout suit can do that I can't do with a sentinel, commando, or even mly heavy. I can even put your silly little knives on my suit. But you can't put my HMG on yours. I win. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
Oxskull Duncarino 0uter.Heaven 451	Posted - 2014.03.02 12:42:00 - [43] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: I was a 19D Cavalry Scout in the US Army. I have seen what real scouts do on a battlefield, and the wanna-be "scouts" in New Eden are no where close. Your mission is to get in a squad and find enemies for your squad. Your squad comes and kills the enemies while you slip away to find more enemies for your squad. It's so simple, yet, pretty much all scouts in this game get it wrong. This is easy to understand because CCP also doesn't understand what a scout's role is. Scouts are not ninjas. They do not carry weapons like Nova Knives. I personally find NK scouts offensive to my former professsion. Scouts are not CQCers. If you are engaging the enemy yourself, it's because you screwed up and they saw you. Scout's main weapons should be their laser designator. Oh, that's right, CCP didn't include that mechanic, which is basically the ONE THING A SCOUT IS SUPPOSED TO DO. Why the F did you even include scouts at all?!? God you guys suck at making video games. Ooh you adorable idiot Here's a fun fact! While they can and do take influence from real life, video games are not real life What, next are you going to try to compare heavies with HMGs and massive armor plates with shielding etc., to............................., or transfer of memories from one clone to another is similar in RL to.....................yeh, you're going to have a slight problem there. Actually, you'll have a problem with most elements of Dust if you try to compare them like that. Lol, I've the utmost respect for most present/past military personal, but your post is idiotic to the extreme, when you compare what those that have served in RL have done with a game. What I find more funny is that you think a suit class name denotes a players roles in a game that promotes flexibility. A fast suit that is usually invisible to all other classes unless they're in the FOV, is perfectly suited to the use of shotguns, NKs , remotes, etc., that involves getting in close for a ninja like ambush, and then disappearing again. Edit - What I posted has already been said here, but a little repetition shouldn't hurt here You sure can tell when players have never even seen military tactics or weapons up close. They have no appreciation for how things actually work. I've used plenty, both hardware and tactics, but that's not the point here. The point is that some idiot, yourself, doesn't know when to stop digging the hole, whether it's a really bad troll attempt or unfortunately your actual opinion.
COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 455	Posted - 2014.03.02 12:47:00 - [44] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: I can't wait for my min scout to: do 1000 damage in an instant (mmm charged proto NK swipe!...hope my math is right!) hack 60% quicker (25% role bonus, 10% min scout bonus, 25% hack skill) avoid adv scanners without mods (35 scan profile) cloak without gimping whole fitting (75% reduced PG CPU cost) have TWO equipment slots - this is huge AND have light and side arm Go on about how the scout can't uniquely excel at its role compared to other suits. Post a video of you doing all of the above in another suit and I'll give you 50,000,000 ISK. Well, since you can't do any of the above with your SCOUT SUIT (haha) that just doesn't make any sense in the context of this discussion. Waiting on these updates, LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL How long have you been waiting? I stand by my statement that there's nothing a scout suit can do that I can't do with a sentinel, commando, or even mly heavy. I can even put your silly little knives on my suit. But you can't put my HMG on yours. I win. Perhaps you should have indicated in your OP that you were talking specifically about pre 1.8 scouts. When 1.8 hits I'll have proven you 100% wrong with what I said though so enjoy being 'right' for another two weeks or so. Feel better? Subterfuge scout GOD in the making Proud Minmatar - Republic Mercenary 6/10 Love the Art of War
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 206	Posted - 2014.03.02 12:47:00 - [45] - Quote Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: I was a 19D Cavalry Scout in the US Army. I have seen what real scouts do on a battlefield, and the wanna-be "scouts" in New Eden are no where close. Your mission is to get in a squad and find enemies for your squad. Your squad comes and kills the enemies while you slip away to find more enemies for your squad. It's so simple, yet, pretty much all scouts in this game get it wrong. This is easy to understand because CCP also doesn't understand what a scout's role is. Scouts are not ninjas. They do not carry weapons like Nova Knives. I personally find NK scouts offensive to my former professsion. Scouts are not CQCers. If you are engaging the enemy yourself, it's because you screwed up and they saw you. Scout's main weapons should be their laser designator. Oh, that's right, CCP didn't include that mechanic, which is basically the ONE THING A SCOUT IS SUPPOSED TO DO. Why the F did you even include scouts at all?!? God you guys suck at making video games. Ooh you adorable idiot Here's a fun fact! While they can and do take influence from real life, video games are not real life What, next are you going to try to compare heavies with HMGs and massive armor plates with shielding etc., to............................., or transfer of memories from one clone to another is similar in RL to.....................yeh, you're going to have a slight problem there. Actually, you'll have a problem with most elements of Dust if you try to compare them like that. Lol, I've the utmost respect for most present/past military personal, but your post is idiotic to the extreme, when you compare what those that have served in RL have done with a game. What I find more funny is that you think a suit class name denotes a players roles in a game that promotes flexibility. A fast suit that is usually invisible to all other classes unless they're in the FOV, is perfectly suited to the use of shotguns, NKs , remotes, etc., that involves getting in close for a ninja like ambush, and then disappearing again. Edit - What I posted has already been said here, but a little repetition shouldn't hurt here You sure can tell when players have never even seen military tactics or weapons up close. They have no appreciation for how things actually work. I've used plenty, both hardware and tactics, but that's not the point here. The point is that some idiot, yourself, doesn't know when to stop digging the hole, whether it's a really bad troll attempt or unfortunately your actual opinion. I'm the idiot? You're the one who keeps coming back to my thread... DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1185	Posted - 2014.03.02 12:47:00 - [46] - Quote Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: I was a 19D Cavalry Scout in the US Army. I have seen what real scouts do on a battlefield, and the wanna-be "scouts" in New Eden are no where close. Your mission is to get in a squad and find enemies for your squad. Your squad comes and kills the enemies while you slip away to find more enemies for your squad. It's so simple, yet, pretty much all scouts in this game get it wrong. This is easy to understand because CCP also doesn't understand what a scout's role is. Scouts are not ninjas. They do not carry weapons like Nova Knives. I personally find NK scouts offensive to my former professsion. Scouts are not CQCers. If you are engaging the enemy yourself, it's because you screwed up and they saw you. Scout's main weapons should be their laser designator. Oh, that's right, CCP didn't include that mechanic, which is basically the ONE THING A SCOUT IS SUPPOSED TO DO. Why the F did you even include scouts at all?!? God you guys suck at making video games. Ooh you adorable idiot Here's a fun fact! While they can and do take influence from real life, video games are not real life What, next are you going to try to compare heavies with HMGs and massive armor plates with shielding etc., to............................., or transfer of memories from one clone to another is similar in RL to.....................yeh, you're going to have a slight problem there. Actually, you'll have a problem with most elements of Dust if you try to compare them like that. Lol, I've the utmost respect for most present/past military personal, but your post is idiotic to the extreme, when you compare what those that have served in RL have done with a game. What I find more funny is that you think a suit class name denotes a players roles in a game that promotes flexibility. A fast suit that is usually invisible to all other classes unless they're in the FOV, is perfectly suited to the use of shotguns, NKs , remotes, etc., that involves getting in close for a ninja like ambush, and then disappearing again. Edit - What I posted has already been said here, but a little repetition shouldn't hurt here You sure can tell when players have never even seen military tactics or weapons up close. They have no appreciation for how things actually work. I've used plenty, both hardware and tactics, but that's not the point here. The point is that some idiot, yourself, doesn't know when to stop digging the hole, whether it's a really bad troll attempt or unfortunately your actual opinion. games while based on pieces of real life, are their own little universes, with different rules written then ours. military tactics tend to fail in video gazmes where the rules have diverged far enough from real life. mostly because in military tactics you cant literally throw away lives on an endless loop to acomplish something without facing harsh consequenses. this isnt reality, and the rules of this little pocket universe called dust 514 are vastly different from the one we live in. as a game designer you deliberatly design things that arnt realistic for the sake of balance or entertainment as doing otherwise would result in its failure. its a "scout" suit, not a scout. stop applying real life rules and laws to video games and realise that the rules of this universe are different then our own.
Hagintora Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 272	Posted - 2014.03.02 12:51:00 - [47] - Quote If you think you've identified a problem (lack of role for Scouts), what would your solution be? Besides never getting into combat? This is an FPS game, and as someone else pointed out, never getting to do anything besides look at bad guys gets boring. So what would you propose as a possible solution/role for Scouts to play, that lives up to the name "Scout", and is still fun to play?
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 206	Posted - 2014.03.02 12:51:00 - [48] - Quote COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: I can't wait for my min scout to: do 1000 damage in an instant (mmm charged proto NK swipe!...hope my math is right!) hack 60% quicker (25% role bonus, 10% min scout bonus, 25% hack skill) avoid adv scanners without mods (35 scan profile) cloak without gimping whole fitting (75% reduced PG CPU cost) have TWO equipment slots - this is huge AND have light and side arm Go on about how the scout can't uniquely excel at its role compared to other suits. Post a video of you doing all of the above in another suit and I'll give you 50,000,000 ISK. Well, since you can't do any of the above with your SCOUT SUIT (haha) that just doesn't make any sense in the context of this discussion. Waiting on these updates, LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL How long have you been waiting? I stand by my statement that there's nothing a scout suit can do that I can't do with a sentinel, commando, or even mly heavy. I can even put your silly little knives on my suit. But you can't put my HMG on yours. I win. Perhaps you should have indicated in your OP that you were talking specifically about pre 1.8 scouts. When 1.8 hits I'll have proven you 100% wrong with what I said though so enjoy being 'right' for another two weeks or so. Feel better? If we really do get all those updates I'll use the alt I've been banking SP with to do the scout suit thing. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
Oxskull Duncarino 0uter.Heaven 451	Posted - 2014.03.02 13:06:00 - [49] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: I was a 19D Cavalry Scout in the US Army. I have seen what real scouts do on a battlefield, and the wanna-be "scouts" in New Eden are no where close. Your mission is to get in a squad and find enemies for your squad. Your squad comes and kills the enemies while you slip away to find more enemies for your squad. It's so simple, yet, pretty much all scouts in this game get it wrong. This is easy to understand because CCP also doesn't understand what a scout's role is. Scouts are not ninjas. They do not carry weapons like Nova Knives. I personally find NK scouts offensive to my former professsion. Scouts are not CQCers. If you are engaging the enemy yourself, it's because you screwed up and they saw you. Scout's main weapons should be their laser designator. Oh, that's right, CCP didn't include that mechanic, which is basically the ONE THING A SCOUT IS SUPPOSED TO DO. Why the F did you even include scouts at all?!? God you guys suck at making video games. Ooh you adorable idiot Here's a fun fact! While they can and do take influence from real life, video games are not real life What, next are you going to try to compare heavies with HMGs and massive armor plates with shielding etc., to............................., or transfer of memories from one clone to another is similar in RL to.....................yeh, you're going to have a slight problem there. Actually, you'll have a problem with most elements of Dust if you try to compare them like that. Lol, I've the utmost respect for most present/past military personal, but your post is idiotic to the extreme, when you compare what those that have served in RL have done with a game. What I find more funny is that you think a suit class name denotes a players roles in a game that promotes flexibility. A fast suit that is usually invisible to all other classes unless they're in the FOV, is perfectly suited to the use of shotguns, NKs , remotes, etc., that involves getting in close for a ninja like ambush, and then disappearing again. Edit - What I posted has already been said here, but a little repetition shouldn't hurt here You sure can tell when players have never even seen military tactics or weapons up close. They have no appreciation for how things actually work. I've used plenty, both hardware and tactics, but that's not the point here. The point is that some idiot, yourself, doesn't know when to stop digging the hole, whether it's a really bad troll attempt or unfortunately your actual opinion. games while based on pieces of real life, are their own little universes, with different rules written then ours. military tactics tend to fail in video gazmes where the rules have diverged far enough from real life. mostly because in military tactics you cant literally throw away lives on an endless loop to acomplish something without facing harsh consequenses. this isnt reality, and the rules of this little pocket universe called dust 514 are vastly different from the one we live in. as a game designer you deliberatly design things that arnt realistic for the sake of balance or entertainment as doing otherwise would result in its failure. its a "scout" suit, not a scout. stop applying real life rules and laws to video games and realise that the rules of this universe are different then our own. Well said!
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 206	Posted - 2014.03.02 13:15:00 - [50] - Quote Hagintora wrote: If you think you've identified a problem (lack of role for Scouts), what would your solution be? Besides never getting into combat? This is an FPS game, and as someone else pointed out, never getting to do anything besides look at bad guys gets boring. So what would you propose as a possible solution/role for Scouts to play, that lives up to the name "Scout", and is still fun to play? These were my major jobs as a Cav scout: Ride around in a Bradley IFV. I was too tall to drive, fit in the turret, or load the TOW tubes, so I did dismount. I carried a USAS or M249 SAW, wore heavy body armor, and would surpress an area so that the infantry unit on board could dismount the vehicle. Switched from that to roof gunner on a Hummer. Used a Mk19. Basically a belt fed, full automatic mass driver accurate up to a mile if somebody was on the other end laseing the target. Lase targets for gunships, tanks, LAVs, and missle batteries. This was dangerous. You had to sneak way into enemy lines, not get seen, and designate targets. Always a chance of getting blown up by the strike you called in. Decoy Duty. Get behind enemy ines, cause enough of a distraction to get the enemy's attention, hold the aggro until the infantry can get there and save you. Certain scout units would go in with major ground forces, then break away and recover intel. This is kind of like hacking CRUs and such I suppose. I jumped out of every aircraft the US military uses for that purpose, and a couple that they don't. Scouts should be on a dropship every chance they get. Hitch a ride to the other end of the map, air drop in, get to work. Scouts should be proficient with all the longer range weapons. The best way to avoid a noisy fight is to shoot the guy from like 800m with a silenced weapon. Game mechanics don't support this however. Scouts should be masters of explosives, both to eliminate enemy assets and to cause the big distractions for decoy duty. However, mechanics are not included that would give any WP for doing this role. Just like how good PlC users get screwed for no WP for clearing an obj after firing 1 shot and all the bad guys run away. Aside from occasionally STROPE rigging or using the FARS being a scout was a crappy job, and pretty much a stepping stone toward Rangers for anyone planning to stay in long. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.

Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 543	Posted - 2014.03.02 13:21:00 - [51] - Quote Regardless of the way this guy is voicing his opinion, he has a valid point. Scouts are missing a large portion of their intended role ; scouting. There's really no purpose for anyone using a scout suit to actually go deep into enemy territory and inform the squad of key points of enemy opposition. Afterall, anyone with a 100meter scanner can tell you anything you need to know, without putting himself in harms way. Currently that gives a scouts best advantage very few uses IMO, their low scan profile provides them the ability to sneak up on someone for a kill, or place uplinks in strategic locations, or the ability to sneak a hack with the right setup. That might be fine to you, and thats okay. But others, like i assume our OP here, feels there could be so much more someone in a scout suit can do with their advantages if CCP provided it to the scouts. A laser designator isn't a bad idea actually, and it would add a lot of fun to the suit. Is there a particular HAV causing destruction more so then others? Laser designate it and your team can track that specific baby on the map and set up an ambush that will guarantee popping it. Is there a sniper somewhere that can't be found due to the new cloaking mechanic? Laser designate him and give your team a shiny beacon to go take him down/avoid him. (And yes, i'm giving a general example that isn't taking into account scan profiles and possible strength of the laser designator, those can be ironed out by the community in a different discussion). It could also add fun layers in future gameplay. If CCP is continuing to pursue their idea of a Flaylock Pistol variant being weaker missiles that slightly home in on their target, imagine the gameplay additions of laser designating, say a Heavy Sentinel being repped by 4 logi's, and having your Flaylock missiles track onto that specific target with much more precision. Or even cooler, a logi is repping a heavy behind cover and a friendly scout who is behind enemy lines, laser designates the Logi. Then you shoot your missiles over the cover, and they home in on that logi for the "Boom". It can open up a plethora of new team styled gameplay tactics. Take a look at the Recon class in BF4 and the use of the laser designated devices. It's some pretty fun stuff. Dust could as many fun additions to it as possible to keep the grind less monotonous.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1187	Posted - 2014.03.02 13:27:00 - [52] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: Hagintora wrote: If you think you've identified a problem (lack of role for Scouts), what would your solution be? Besides never getting into combat? This is an FPS game, and as someone else pointed out, never getting to do anything besides look at bad guys gets boring. So what would you propose as a possible solution/role for Scouts to play, that lives up to the name "Scout", and is still fun to play? These were my major jobs as a Cav scout: Ride around in a Bradley IFV. I was too tall to drive, fit in the turret, or load the TOW tubes, so I did dismount. I carried a USAS or M249 SAW, wore heavy body armor, and would surpress an area so that the infantry unit on board could dismount the vehicle. Switched from that to roof gunner on a Hummer. Used a Mk19. Basically a belt fed, full automatic mass driver accurate up to a mile if somebody was on the other end laseing the target. Lase targets for gunships, tanks, LAVs, and missle batteries. This was dangerous. You had to sneak way into enemy lines, not get seen, and designate targets. Always a chance of getting blown up by the strike you called in. Decoy Duty. Get behind enemy ines, cause enough of a distraction to get the enemy's attention, hold the aggro until the infantry can get there and save you. Certain scout units would go in with major ground forces, then break away and recover intel. This is kind of like hacking CRUs and such I suppose. I jumped out of every aircraft the US military uses for that purpose, and a couple that they don't. Scouts should be on a dropship every chance they get. Hitch a ride to the other end of the map, air drop in, get to work. Scouts should be proficient with all the longer range weapons. The best way to avoid a noisy fight is to shoot the guy from like 800m with a silenced weapon. Game mechanics don't support this however. Scouts should be masters of explosives, both to eliminate enemy assets and to cause the big distractions for decoy duty. However, mechanics are not included that would give any WP for doing this role. Just like how good PlC users get screwed for no WP for clearing an obj after firing 1 shot and all the bad guys run away. Aside from occasionally STROPE rigging or using the FARS being a scout was a crappy job, and pretty much a stepping stone toward Rangers for anyone planning to stay in long. AAAANNNDDD none of that is applicable to dust, as the laws in the dust universe change how you would idealy want to aproch situations. scouts should stay out of dropships, they get shot out. scouts should stay out of LAVs, they get shot out. scouts usually do carry explosives and oeprate quite well doing exactly the thi9ng you seem to think they dont get any WP for doing.... dust=/=real life, in this game we are immortal, have different amounts of HP, can modify our suits to increase abilities that we cant have in the real world, weapons function in ways that break the laws of physics, dropships fly like spaceships, you can magically point a device around and see everyhting that isnt packing dapmeners, etcetcetcetc. for every rule that is different from the laws of the world we live in, it changes what the ideal aproch would be inside of dust. your amry training has made you bad at this game, and it should or you wouldnt be any good to the army. your job means that you HAVE to think in the terms you do becuase its life or death. but ultimatly the dust universe simply doesnt work like that and CANT work like that its simply not possable.
Hagintora Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 272	Posted - 2014.03.02 13:47:00 - [53] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: Lase targets for gunships, tanks, LAVs, and missle batteries. This was dangerous. You had to sneak way into enemy lines, not get seen, and designate targets. Always a chance of getting blown up by the strike you called in. This would be kind of like Scanning (which is Logi-centric right now). Scouts can do it, but Logi's do it better. What would you suggest that would be Scout specific? Alternate Insano wrote: Decoy Duty. Get behind enemy lines, cause enough of a distraction to get the enemy's attention, hold the aggro until the infantry can get there and save you. Scouts already do this using current game mechanics. These would be the aggressive Scouts you referred to earlier. Alternate Insano wrote: Certain scout units would go in with major ground forces, then break away and recover intel. This is kind of like hacking CRUs and such I suppose. Lots of Scouts already do this as well (myself included). Although quite a few don't because they don't feel like they can Hack fast enough, or tank enough damage to get the job done. New Hack speeds in 1.8 might change that though. Alternate Insano wrote: Scouts should be proficient with all the longer range weapons. The best way to avoid a noisy fight is to shoot the guy from like 800m with a silenced weapon. Game mechanics don't support this however. With the addition of Cal Scouts (and their 4 high slots), you might see more Scout Snipers in game, stacking those Dmg Mods. But with the how most people view Sniper's (in game, and IRL), expect a lot QQ about it. Plus Commando's will probably do it better due their bonuses. What would you suggest that's Scout specific? Alternate Insano wrote: Scouts should be masters of explosives, both to eliminate enemy assets and to cause the big distractions for decoy duty. However, mechanics are not included that would give any WP for doing this role. Again, Scouts already do this with RE's. Most of what goes into being a Scout is the mindset. If you have the mindset, you'll make a good Scout. If you don't, if you try to play them like an Assault, or Slayer-Logi, you'll find yourself sorely disappointed. Scouts use Stealth and Flanking to the job done, but the job is pretty much killing because that's what the game is all about. The other part is hacking. That's about it. So what would you add to the game that would make Scouts truly necessary and important to the team?
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 206	Posted - 2014.03.02 13:48:00 - [54] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: Hagintora wrote: If you think you've identified a problem (lack of role for Scouts), what would your solution be? Besides never getting into combat? This is an FPS game, and as someone else pointed out, never getting to do anything besides look at bad guys gets boring. So what would you propose as a possible solution/role for Scouts to play, that lives up to the name "Scout", and is still fun to play? These were my major jobs as a Cav scout: Ride around in a Bradley IFV. I was too tall to drive, fit in the turret, or load the TOW tubes, so I did dismount. I carried a USAS or M249 SAW, wore heavy body armor, and would surpress an area so that the infantry unit on board could dismount the vehicle. Switched from that to roof gunner on a Hummer. Used a Mk19. Basically a belt fed, full automatic mass driver accurate up to a mile if somebody was on the other end laseing the target. Lase targets for gunships, tanks, LAVs, and missle batteries. This was dangerous. You had to sneak way into enemy lines, not get seen, and designate targets. Always a chance of getting blown up by the strike you called in. Decoy Duty. Get behind enemy ines, cause enough of a distraction to get the enemy's attention, hold the aggro until the infantry can get there and save you. Certain scout units would go in with major ground forces, then break away and recover intel. This is kind of like hacking CRUs and such I suppose. I jumped out of every aircraft the US military uses for that purpose, and a couple that they don't. Scouts should be on a dropship every chance they get. Hitch a ride to the other end of the map, air drop in, get to work. Scouts should be proficient with all the longer range weapons. The best way to avoid a noisy fight is to shoot the guy from like 800m with a silenced weapon. Game mechanics don't support this however. Scouts should be masters of explosives, both to eliminate enemy assets and to cause the big distractions for decoy duty. However, mechanics are not included that would give any WP for doing this role. Just like how good PlC users get screwed for no WP for clearing an obj after firing 1 shot and all the bad guys run away. Aside from occasionally STROPE rigging or using the FARS being a scout was a crappy job, and pretty much a stepping stone toward Rangers for anyone planning to stay in long. AAAANNNDDD none of that is applicable to dust, as the laws in the dust universe change how you would idealy want to aproch situations. scouts should stay out of dropships, they get shot out. scouts should stay out of LAVs, they get shot out. scouts usually do carry explosives and oeprate quite well doing exactly the thi9ng you seem to think they dont get any WP for doing.... dust=/=real life, in this game we are immortal, have different amounts of HP, can modify our suits to increase abilities that we cant have in the real world, weapons function in ways that break the laws of physics, dropships fly like spaceships, you can magically point a device around and see everyhting that isnt packing dapmeners, etcetcetcetc. for every rule that is different from the laws of the world we live in, it changes what the ideal aproch would be inside of dust. your amry training has made you bad at this game, and it should or you wouldnt be any good to the army. your job means that you HAVE to think in the terms you do becuase its life or death. but ultimatly the dust universe simply doesnt work like that and CANT work like that its simply not possable. My Army training has made me excel at fps games. A workplace injury that left me with 1 fully operational hand is what hurt my game. And, no, scouts get no WP for distracting the enemy so friendlies can kill them. Just like no WP for area surpression. Also, if you're getting shot out of dropships and LAVs I'd say you're not doing it right. Your LAV driver is going to close to the main enemy force and your DS pilot is flying too low. You should look up HALO jumping and take a page from that. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
Sgt Buttscratch KILL-EM-QUICK 1884	Posted - 2014.03.02 13:56:00 - [55] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: I was a 19D Cavalry Scout in the US Army. I have seen what real scouts do on a battlefield, and the wanna-be "scouts" in New Eden are no where close. Your mission is to get in a squad and find enemies for your squad. Your squad comes and kills the enemies while you slip away to find more enemies for your squad. It's so simple, yet, pretty much all scouts in this game get it wrong. This is easy to understand because CCP also doesn't understand what a scout's role is. Scouts are not ninjas. They do not carry weapons like Nova Knives. I personally find NK scouts offensive to my former professsion. Scouts are not CQCers. If you are engaging the enemy yourself, it's because you screwed up and they saw you. Scout's main weapons should be their laser designator. Oh, that's right, CCP didn't include that mechanic, which is basically the ONE THING A SCOUT IS SUPPOSED TO DO. Why the F did you even include scouts at all?!? God you guys suck at making video games. In todays army maybe. THIS GAME IS SET IN THE FUTURE, THINGS CHANGE. Back in 1700/1800 we used to line up opposite each other and take it in turns shooting at each other, does thhis mean todays army does it wrong? CCP have made intel a non scout deal, Its easier for logi's to run scanners, scouts radars do not transfer information to the team, snipers cannot tag enemies. In DUST514 a scout can be a ninja, if you play him like that, he can be fast assault if you play him like that, he can be a tanker, if you play him like that. THIS IS NOT REAL LIFE, just because you let the game consume yours does not change that, I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1189	Posted - 2014.03.02 13:57:00 - [56] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: Hagintora wrote: If you think you've identified a problem (lack of role for Scouts), what would your solution be? Besides never getting into combat? This is an FPS game, and as someone else pointed out, never getting to do anything besides look at bad guys gets boring. So what would you propose as a possible solution/role for Scouts to play, that lives up to the name "Scout", and is still fun to play? These were my major jobs as a Cav scout: Ride around in a Bradley IFV. I was too tall to drive, fit in the turret, or load the TOW tubes, so I did dismount. I carried a USAS or M249 SAW, wore heavy body armor, and would surpress an area so that the infantry unit on board could dismount the vehicle. Switched from that to roof gunner on a Hummer. Used a Mk19. Basically a belt fed, full automatic mass driver accurate up to a mile if somebody was on the other end laseing the target. Lase targets for gunships, tanks, LAVs, and missle batteries. This was dangerous. You had to sneak way into enemy lines, not get seen, and designate targets. Always a chance of getting blown up by the strike you called in. Decoy Duty. Get behind enemy ines, cause enough of a distraction to get the enemy's attention, hold the aggro until the infantry can get there and save you. Certain scout units would go in with major ground forces, then break away and recover intel. This is kind of like hacking CRUs and such I suppose. I jumped out of every aircraft the US military uses for that purpose, and a couple that they don't. Scouts should be on a dropship every chance they get. Hitch a ride to the other end of the map, air drop in, get to work. Scouts should be proficient with all the longer range weapons. The best way to avoid a noisy fight is to shoot the guy from like 800m with a silenced weapon. Game mechanics don't support this however. Scouts should be masters of explosives, both to eliminate enemy assets and to cause the big distractions for decoy duty. However, mechanics are not included that would give any WP for doing this role. Just like how good PlC users get screwed for no WP for clearing an obj after firing 1 shot and all the bad guys run away. Aside from occasionally STROPE rigging or using the FARS being a scout was a crappy job, and pretty much a stepping stone toward Rangers for anyone planning to stay in long. AAAANNNDDD none of that is applicable to dust, as the laws in the dust universe change how you would idealy want to aproch situations. scouts should stay out of dropships, they get shot out. scouts should stay out of LAVs, they get shot out. scouts usually do carry explosives and oeprate quite well doing exactly the thi9ng you seem to think they dont get any WP for doing.... dust=/=real life, in this game we are immortal, have different amounts of HP, can modify our suits to increase abilities that we cant have in the real world, weapons function in ways that break the laws of physics, dropships fly like spaceships, you can magically point a device around and see everyhting that isnt packing dapmeners, etcetcetcetc. for every rule that is different from the laws of the world we live in, it changes what the ideal aproch would be inside of dust. your amry training has made you bad at this game, and it should or you wouldnt be any good to the army. your job means that you HAVE to think in the terms you do becuase its life or death. but ultimatly the dust universe simply doesnt work like that and CANT work like that its simply not possable. My Army training has made me excel at fps games. A workplace injury that left me with 1 fully operational hand is what hurt my game. And, no, scouts get no WP for distracting the enemy so friendlies can kill them. Just like no WP for area surpression. Also, if you're getting shot out of dropships and LAVs I'd say you're not doing it right. Your LAV driver is going to close to the main enemy force and your DS pilot is flying too low. You should look up HALO jumping and take a page from that. if you cant shoot a scout out of a dropship your doing it wrong, it has no HP i blap scouts out of dropships all the time, its a simple matter of point the small missle at the side and BLAP instant death 1HKO vs say a heavy suit wich is a dmn 5 hit KO. i also shoot them out of LAVs the same way, BAM 1HKO and this is with them moving at full speed BTW. scouts get assist WP for both distraction and supression, and skills for bait and BOOMing, your job means you think of this game in terms of real life, as if the universes follow the same rules. they dont, and so you will always think of scout suits as scouts, then scout suits most certainly are NOT scouts and CANT be scouts at least in the terms of your "scout" ideal. its not possable, stop getting hung up on a name. this isnt the same universe, and HP matters so naturally some tasks that your "scout" would do our scout suits cannot, and naturally our scout suits can do things your "scout" cannot do. the rules are different here and so the tactics are not the same.
Vulcanus Lightbringer Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 277	Posted - 2014.03.02 14:07:00 - [57] - Quote There's also the fact that fighting insurgents in the desert while having a serious advantage in equipment is probably different from fighting immortal space warriors 20,000 years in the future who have access to all the equipment that you have...
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1130	Posted - 2014.03.02 14:08:00 - [58] - Quote Ooh you adorable scrubs that compare real life with games beside that, scouts like that arent in use in current "modern warfare" any more
Patrick57 5646	Posted - 2014.03.02 14:14:00 - [59] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: If they wanted it to be a ninja, they should have called it the ninja suit. That would be awesome. :D
Patrick57 5646	Posted - 2014.03.02 14:15:00 - [60] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: Hagintora wrote: If you think you've identified a problem (lack of role for Scouts), what would your solution be? Besides never getting into combat? This is an FPS game, and as someone else pointed out, never getting to do anything besides look at bad guys gets boring. So what would you propose as a possible solution/role for Scouts to play, that lives up to the name "Scout", and is still fun to play? These were my major jobs as a Cav scout: Ride around in a Bradley IFV. I was too tall to drive, fit in the turret, or load the TOW tubes, so I did dismount. I carried a USAS or M249 SAW, wore heavy body armor, and would surpress an area so that the infantry unit on board could dismount the vehicle. Switched from that to roof gunner on a Hummer. Used a Mk19. Basically a belt fed, full automatic mass driver accurate up to a mile if somebody was on the other end laseing the target. Lase targets for gunships, tanks, LAVs, and missle batteries. This was dangerous. You had to sneak way into enemy lines, not get seen, and designate targets. Always a chance of getting blown up by the strike you called in. Decoy Duty. Get behind enemy ines, cause enough of a distraction to get the enemy's attention, hold the aggro until the infantry can get there and save you. Certain scout units would go in with major ground forces, then break away and recover intel. This is kind of like hacking CRUs and such I suppose. I jumped out of every aircraft the US military uses for that purpose, and a couple that they don't. Scouts should be on a dropship every chance they get. Hitch a ride to the other end of the map, air drop in, get to work. Scouts should be proficient with all the longer range weapons. The best way to avoid a noisy fight is to shoot the guy from like 800m with a silenced weapon. Game mechanics don't support this however. Scouts should be masters of explosives, both to eliminate enemy assets and to cause the big distractions for decoy duty. However, mechanics are not included that would give any WP for doing this role. Just like how good PlC users get screwed for no WP for clearing an obj after firing 1 shot and all the bad guys run away. Aside from occasionally STROPE rigging or using the FARS being a scout was a crappy job, and pretty much a stepping stone toward Rangers for anyone planning to stay in long. AAAANNNDDD none of that is applicable to dust, as the laws in the dust universe change how you would idealy want to aproch situations. scouts should stay out of dropships, they get shot out. scouts should stay out of LAVs, they get shot out. scouts usually do carry explosives and oeprate quite well doing exactly the thi9ng you seem to think they dont get any WP for doing.... dust=/=real life, in this game we are immortal, have different amounts of HP, can modify our suits to increase abilities that we cant have in the real world, weapons function in ways that break the laws of physics, dropships fly like spaceships, you can magically point a device around and see everyhting that isnt packing dapmeners, etcetcetcetc. for every rule that is different from the laws of the world we live in, it changes what the ideal aproch would be inside of dust. your amry training has made you bad at this game, and it should or you wouldnt be any good to the army. your job means that you HAVE to think in the terms you do becuase its life or death. but ultimatly the dust universe simply doesnt work like that and CANT work like that its simply not possable. My Army training has made me excel at fps games. A workplace injury that left me with 1 fully operational hand is what hurt my game. And, no, scouts get no WP for distracting the enemy so friendlies can kill them. Just like no WP for area surpression. Also, if you're getting shot out of dropships and LAVs I'd say you're not doing it right. Your LAV driver is going to close to the main enemy force and your DS pilot is flying too low. You should look up HALO jumping and take a page from that. if you cant shoot a scout out of a dropship your doing it wrong, it has no HP i blap scouts out of dropships all the time, its a simple matter of point the small missle at the side and BLAP instant death 1HKO vs say a heavy suit wich is a dmn 5 hit KO. i also shoot them out of LAVs the same way, BAM 1HKO and this is with them moving at full speed BTW. scouts get assist WP for both distraction and supression, and skills for bait and BOOMing, your job means you think of this game in terms of real life, as if the universes follow the same rules. they dont, and so you will always think of scout suits as scouts, then scout suits most certainly are NOT scouts and CANT be scouts at least in the terms of your "scout" ideal. its not possable, stop getting hung up on a name. this isnt the same universe, and HP matters so naturally some tasks that your "scout" would do our scout suits cannot, and naturally our scout suits can do things your "scout" cannot do. the rules are different here and so the tactics are not the same. *THIS IS A LONG QUOTE!*

Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 206	Posted - 2014.03.02 14:24:00 - [61] - Quote None of you get it. I'm not hung up on RL vs game. I'm hung up on 'makes any sense at all' vs game. And also 'scout class as-is is gay' vs game. And also 'what a let down' vs game And also 'run outta ** to do because this is just the Chinese Yamaha Rhino Clone of BF3 and was really hoping the scout class wasn't really as assclownish as it looked' vs game If any of you only knew, you'd be like "Why the ** isn't this in the game?" Go look up Bradleys, Mk19s, STROPE rigging, the FARS, laser designating targets, and HALO jumping, then come back and tell me if I'm wrong to be pissed how this whole class was done. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1192	Posted - 2014.03.02 14:29:00 - [62] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: \tell me if I'm wrong to be pissed how this whole class was done. its not a class its a suit, you make the class that you want to play using that suit. this is of course limited to what mechanics/modules/features are in the game, but theres only so much that can be represented and unlike real life it has to be balanced. your pissed because your "scout" isnt in the game, thats fine. your "scout" cant exsist in the game, its not possable. its an unreasonable expectation based on your real life experiance of what works and is possable.
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 206	Posted - 2014.03.02 14:37:00 - [63] - Quote Vulcanus Lightbringer wrote: There's also the fact that fighting insurgents in the desert while having a serious advantage in equipment is probably different from fighting immortal space warriors 20,000 years in the future who have access to all the equipment that you have... Actually we were proto stomping the Republican Guard funny thing nobody went to the UN to QQ about us being OP. And no, 20,000 yrs in the future if we're not already dead.....war fighting will be done with drones. We didn't have good ones back then. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1710	Posted - 2014.03.02 14:45:00 - [64] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: Haha did you just try and compare real world military practices with a video game set 20,000 years in the future in a sci-fi universe? No, I'm pointing out a mechanic we were promised and will never see, without which an entire class has no purpose. Scouts can't do anything that another class can't already do. I'm trying to see if anybody can tell me what the advantage to being a DUST scout is, if there is one. Not an Easy Button, but something they can do that would com[pletely change my game experience and warrant specifically going 'scout' with an alt. I want to see something different than what I'm seeing with the light, medium ,heavy, and commando alts I'm using now. Grinding has become boring. I need something interesting to do. According to CPM members, promises made by the previous regime are null and void. The new EP has wiped the slate clean. I support SP rollover.
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 207	Posted - 2014.03.02 14:52:00 - [65] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: \tell me if I'm wrong to be pissed how this whole class was done. its not a class its a suit, you make the class that you want to play using that suit. this is of course limited to what mechanics/modules/features are in the game, but theres only so much that can be represented and unlike real life it has to be balanced. your pissed because your "scout" isnt in the game, thats fine. your "scout" cant exsist in the game, its not possable. its an unreasonable expectation based on your real life experiance of what works and is possable. Apparently I know more about DUST than you. All the points I have made were already supposed to be here. Go back and read press releases and write ups and just Google 'DUST 514' Or, don't. Really don't care. And yes, after a year and these features are not included, given CCP's track record, it -would- be unreasonable of me to expect anything remotely awesome from this game. Thanks for pointing that out. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
STEALTH HUNTER ZERO D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 83	Posted - 2014.03.02 15:01:00 - [66] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: \tell me if I'm wrong to be pissed how this whole class was done. its not a class its a suit, you make the class that you want to play using that suit. this is of course limited to what mechanics/modules/features are in the game, but theres only so much that can be represented and unlike real life it has to be balanced. your pissed because your "scout" isnt in the game, thats fine. your "scout" cant exsist in the game, its not possable. its an unreasonable expectation based on your real life experiance of what works and is possable. Apparently I know more about DUST than you. All the points I have made were already supposed to be here. Go back and read press releases and write ups and just Google 'DUST 514' Or, don't. Really don't care. And yes, after a year and these features are not included, given CCP's track record, it -would- be unreasonable of me to expect anything remotely awesome from this game. Thanks for pointing that out. So you don't like the game anymore and don't believe it will be fun to play in the forseeable future..... why are you still here?? Also, earlier you were asking what scouts could do thats better than other suits. Currently beating scanners with relative ease (easier in 1.8) which helps flanking enemies and sneaking up on targets unseen, minmatar can usually OHK with nova knives, Those are a few, much more once 1.8 arrives. One more thing, I'll be sure to send you a happy message when I shotgun you in the back!
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 1622	Posted - 2014.03.02 15:04:00 - [67] - Quote If you played many FPS games then you know not to take "SCOUT" seriously. what FPS has a actual pure scout? come on man. It's just a class which lumps more recon and snipers and infiltrators together. No one will play just point and designate class. reason why you don't see em in games. But the OPTION to play as that should be there. I'm also a military vet and enjoy the ghosts scouts here. They last of the ninja cowboys (word taken from my brothers who went to the private sector) And no I don't find private work wrong either.
CRYPT3C W0LF Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 399	Posted - 2014.03.02 15:20:00 - [68] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: I was a 19D Cavalry Scout in the US Army. I have seen what real scouts do on a battlefield, and the wanna-be "scouts" in New Eden are no where close. Your mission is to get in a squad and find enemies for your squad. Your squad comes and kills the enemies while you slip away to find more enemies for your squad. It's so simple, yet, pretty much all scouts in this game get it wrong. This is easy to understand because CCP also doesn't understand what a scout's role is. Scouts are not ninjas. They do not carry weapons like Nova Knives. I personally find NK scouts offensive to my former professsion. Scouts are not CQCers. If you are engaging the enemy yourself, it's because you screwed up and they saw you. Scout's main weapons should be their laser designator. Oh, that's right, CCP didn't include that mechanic, which is basically the ONE THING A SCOUT IS SUPPOSED TO DO. Why the F did you even include scouts at all?!? God you guys suck at making video games. I find it Really hard to take you seriously when all you're other posts are that of a 12 year olds understanding. And Come'on If you think this game sucks, then go play some other game and stop polluting the forums. O.K? COOKIE MASTER RACE ^__^ Slayer Scout, I feast on you're proto remains (Nom Nom Nom)
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 208	Posted - 2014.03.02 15:26:00 - [69] - Quote Surt gods end wrote: If you played many FPS games then you know not to take "SCOUT" seriously. what FPS has a actual pure scout? come on man. It's just a class which lumps more recon and snipers and infiltrators together. No one will play just point and designate class. reason why you don't see em in games. But the OPTION to play as that should be there. I'm also a military vet and enjoy the ghosts scouts here. They last of the ninja cowboys (word taken from my brothers who went to the private sector) And no I don't find private work wrong either. I didn't say a scout only did FO, just did so primarily, and that such a mechanic ought be included. My older bro is still in and is one of those ninja cowboys attatched to the 3rd ID. But that's more Black Ops II than large map open warfare situations. Small unit tactics. More of an assault suit type in game terms. He has one job and it's certaintly not hacking a CRU. More likely camping it. Certaintly not with a knife, either, those guys get the coolest toys. Tactical tomahawks. Silenced Shotguns, and that's just what he'll admit to. Again, rather than tell me I'm an idiot you would all be better off going and looking at what I'm talking about. I'm only attempting to enlighten you all to something you all will want anyway. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 1053	Posted - 2014.03.02 15:26:00 - [70] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: TheD1CK wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: I was a 19D Cavalry Scout in the US Army. I have seen what real scouts do on a battlefield, and the wanna-be "scouts" in New Eden are no where close. Your mission is to get in a squad and find enemies for your squad. Your squad comes and kills the enemies while you slip away to find more enemies for your squad. It's so simple, yet, pretty much all scouts in this game get it wrong. This is easy to understand because CCP also doesn't understand what a scout's role is. Scouts are not ninjas. They do not carry weapons like Nova Knives. I personally find NK scouts offensive to my former professsion. Scouts are not CQCers. If you are engaging the enemy yourself, it's because you screwed up and they saw you. Scout's main weapons should be their laser designator. Oh, that's right, CCP didn't include that mechanic, which is basically the ONE THING A SCOUT IS SUPPOSED TO DO. Why the F did you even include scouts at all?!? God you guys suck at making video games. Sorry buddy, your hopes of re-living the old military days through Dust514 are done This is a sci-fi computer game, don't expect it to match up to your time in Military .... Dust is not real-life..... Yeah, I get that. I also have no interest in re-living my wicked awesome Army days with this wicked unawesome game. You see, laser designators were supposed to make it into the game. But they didn't. Why? It would be too easy to blow up AUR vehicles. This game only exists to sell AUR, so anything that could hurt sales will never make the cut. But, rather than scrap scouts all together even they don't have an actual, specific only to them role, CCP kept them in anyway. I mean, even -snipers- have a role in this game, i.e. shoot RR users. What is it a scout can do that some other class doesn't already do better? Currently? get under scanners like a bastard. 1.8? cloak for virtually nothing compared to anyone else, and if you go caldari, best scanner in the game. you go minmatar, you'll be an assassin/agent of chaos, hacking the entire enemy line before they realize someone's there. gallente, and the only way they'll ever know you're there is to actually see you. If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.

Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1849	Posted - 2014.03.02 15:38:00 - [71] - Quote So, you want DUST to be Arma? THIS ISN'T REAL LIFE. Seriously. Stop thinking that. The closest thing we should balance scouts too is the TF2 Scouts. Soft and Squishy, but very fast. Because you Wanted to be Something your Not.
Hecarim Van Hohen ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 487	Posted - 2014.03.02 15:49:00 - [72] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: I stand by my statement that there's nothing a scout suit can do that I can't do with a sentinel, commando, or even mly heavy. I can even put your silly little knives on my suit. But you can't put my HMG on yours. I win. Make an effective cloak fit for your heavy or commando Also just to be sure even you get it Real World Gëá Game Realism Gëá Fun Your concept (while based on real world) of scout Gëá Fun BANGO SKANK WAS HERE 1.7 best match (HMG): 40/9/9 (K/A/D)
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 209	Posted - 2014.03.02 15:50:00 - [73] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: So, you want DUST to be Arma? THIS ISN'T REAL LIFE. Seriously. Stop thinking that. The closest thing we should balance scouts too is the TF2 Scouts. Soft and Squishy, but very fast. I KNOW THIS ISNT REAL LIFE I HAVE SAID SO NOW OVER AND OVER FOR THOSE OF YOU TOO STUPID TO READ I don't want DUST to be CoD I don't want DSUT to be BF4 I don't want DUST to be Arma I want DUST to not suck, which it does, the big one. The big bumpy pee pee OMG what is that rash from STD one. Apparently, you all want it to continue to suck. None of you have gone and looked at what I was talking about, but you all have no problem telling me I'm wrong. Suck much? Know you're wrong much? Scared this game will become popular and good players will actually come here and your proto won't mean **** much? DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 1055	Posted - 2014.03.02 16:03:00 - [74] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: So, you want DUST to be Arma? THIS ISN'T REAL LIFE. Seriously. Stop thinking that. The closest thing we should balance scouts too is the TF2 Scouts. Soft and Squishy, but very fast. I KNOW THIS ISNT REAL LIFE I HAVE SAID SO NOW OVER AND OVER FOR THOSE OF YOU TOO STUPID TO READ I don't want DUST to be CoD I don't want DSUT to be BF4 I don't want DUST to be Arma I want DUST to not suck, which it does, the big one. The big bumpy pee pee OMG what is that rash from STD one. Apparently, you all want it to continue to suck. None of you have gone and looked at what I was talking about, but you all have no problem telling me I'm wrong. Suck much? Know you're wrong much? Scared this game will become popular and good players will actually come here and your proto won't mean **** much? You want DUST scouts to not be DUST scouts. Yes, I know that "IN MA ARMY DAYZ!" scout meant something completely different than what they are in this game(and possibly today's military, changing face of war and all that) This is how DUST scouts are. Quiet, sneaky, killing and running away. We are the embodiment of asymmetrical warfare, we kill what we can, leave, and relay what's left to the team. or if it looks too difficult, skip the killing part and just relay it to the team, waiting until they're engaged to shoot them in the back or lay a trap for their impending retreat. You really seem to have something against Knife using scouts. I don't know why, they're only useful in a few situations unless you're really damn good with them. Or maybe you just don't like knives? One suit gets a bonus to knives, a massive bonus that turns them into the hands down most effective weapon(short of REs) for when you sneak up on an opponent. You won't survive a fight, so you need a lot of alpha damage to drop them before there is a fight, so knives become the go to weapon for close quarters out of necessity due to their massive damage(you can get it up to around 1400 ish on a full charge with proto, prof, and a damage mod, and a maxed out suit. IIRC) If you have such a hardon for being Mr. Lockon designator guy, go play Battlefield. If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 209	Posted - 2014.03.02 16:10:00 - [75] - Quote Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: I stand by my statement that there's nothing a scout suit can do that I can't do with a sentinel, commando, or even mly heavy. I can even put your silly little knives on my suit. But you can't put my HMG on yours. I win. Make an effective cloak fit for your heavy or commando Also just to be sure even you get it Real World Gëá Game Realism Gëá Fun Your concept (while based on real world) of scout Gëá Fun You can't be bothered to go look up what a RL scout is, so until you do you really can't say that for certain can you? since you clearly don't know the slightest of what I'm talking about. Jumping out of airplanes with oxygen gear at 6 miles up and not pulling the ripcord until you are just over the treetops is fun. Full auto shotguns are fun. 65 mph mechanized infantry fighting vehicles with rapid fire cannons and anti tank missles are fun. Pointing a little device at a tank, bunker, or other installation and watching it disappear in a cloud of debris from the strike you called in is fun. Dangling under a helicopter from a rope with all your friends is fun. The Fulton Aerial Recovery System is like fishing for infantry with an airplane. Sorry, not like, literally is. FUN You all are making it obvious that you are not even reading anything but one line from the OP and just blasting an opinion to try and make yourselves look clever. How lame. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
Hecarim Van Hohen ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 491	Posted - 2014.03.02 16:24:00 - [76] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: You can't be bothered to go look up what a RL scout is, so until you do you really can't say that for certain can you? since you clearly don't know the slightest of what I'm talking about. Jumping out of airplanes with oxygen gear at 6 miles up and not pulling the ripcord until you are just over the treetops is fun. Full auto shotguns are fun. 65 mph mechanized infantry fighting vehicles with rapid fire cannons and anti tank missles are fun. Pointing a little device at a tank, bunker, or other installation and watching it disappear in a cloud of debris from the strike you called in is fun. Dangling under a helicopter from a rope with all your friends is fun. The Fulton Aerial Recovery System is like fishing for infantry with an airplane. Sorry, not like, literally is. FUN You all are making it obvious that you are not even reading anything but one line from the OP and just blasting an opinion to try and make yourselves look clever. How lame. No need for parachutes, we have inertia dampeners AA12 would be a cool addition, maybe a Minmatar SG MAV's SoonGäó Active Scanner, light stuff up for your squad leader so he can drop that OB where it's needed Dangling from anything in this game means death though I admit that it sounds like fun Last one sounds fun but current map size makes this impossible to execute As for the OP and the rest of the post made on the thread, I read them all. ps. Where is that cloaked heavy/commando? You boasted that you could perform every action of the scout in one after all pps. maybe scout suits should be named a guerilla/ranger suits? BANGO SKANK WAS HERE 1.7 best match (HMG): 40/9/9 (K/A/D)
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 209	Posted - 2014.03.02 16:33:00 - [77] - Quote Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: You can't be bothered to go look up what a RL scout is, so until you do you really can't say that for certain can you? since you clearly don't know the slightest of what I'm talking about. Jumping out of airplanes with oxygen gear at 6 miles up and not pulling the ripcord until you are just over the treetops is fun. Full auto shotguns are fun. 65 mph mechanized infantry fighting vehicles with rapid fire cannons and anti tank missles are fun. Pointing a little device at a tank, bunker, or other installation and watching it disappear in a cloud of debris from the strike you called in is fun. Dangling under a helicopter from a rope with all your friends is fun. The Fulton Aerial Recovery System is like fishing for infantry with an airplane. Sorry, not like, literally is. FUN You all are making it obvious that you are not even reading anything but one line from the OP and just blasting an opinion to try and make yourselves look clever. How lame. No need for parachutes, we have inertia dampeners AA12 would be a cool addition, maybe a Minmatar SG MAV's SoonGäó Active Scanner, light stuff up for your squad leader so he can drop that OB where it's needed Dangling from anything in this game means death though I admit that it sounds like fun Last one sounds fun but current map size makes this impossible to execute As for the OP and the rest of the post made on the thread, I read them all. ps. Where is that cloaked heavy/commando? You boasted that you could perform every action of the scout in one after all pps. maybe scout suits should be named a guerilla/ranger suits? We don't have cloaks yet, I still have what, months? To figure out how to swing it. How does BF handle jets and such? Aren't we supposed to get those too? Or some other 'quick extraction' method, maybe modifying it to work for dropships. Simplest way would be some sort of pilot operated tractor beam, but that would be cheesy. There's ways to make it all work. Scouts should be the ultimate answer to tank spam, being able to light them up for swarm guys, turret gunners and all. That was another point I forget to make. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 1055	Posted - 2014.03.02 16:35:00 - [78] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: You can't be bothered to go look up what a RL scout is, so until you do you really can't say that for certain can you? since you clearly don't know the slightest of what I'm talking about. Jumping out of airplanes with oxygen gear at 6 miles up and not pulling the ripcord until you are just over the treetops is fun. Full auto shotguns are fun. 65 mph mechanized infantry fighting vehicles with rapid fire cannons and anti tank missles are fun. Pointing a little device at a tank, bunker, or other installation and watching it disappear in a cloud of debris from the strike you called in is fun. Dangling under a helicopter from a rope with all your friends is fun. The Fulton Aerial Recovery System is like fishing for infantry with an airplane. Sorry, not like, literally is. FUN You all are making it obvious that you are not even reading anything but one line from the OP and just blasting an opinion to try and make yourselves look clever. How lame. No need for parachutes, we have inertia dampeners AA12 would be a cool addition, maybe a Minmatar SG MAV's SoonGäó Active Scanner, light stuff up for your squad leader so he can drop that OB where it's needed Dangling from anything in this game means death though I admit that it sounds like fun Last one sounds fun but current map size makes this impossible to execute As for the OP and the rest of the post made on the thread, I read them all. ps. Where is that cloaked heavy/commando? You boasted that you could perform every action of the scout in one after all pps. maybe scout suits should be named a guerilla/ranger suits? We don't have cloaks yet, I still have what, months? To figure out how to swing it. How does BF handle jets and such? Aren't we supposed to get those too? Or some other 'quick extraction' method, maybe modifying it to work for dropships. Simplest way would be some sort of pilot operated tractor beam, but that would be cheesy. There's ways to make it all work. Scouts should be the ultimate answer to tank spam, being able to light them up for swarm guys, turret gunners and all. That was another point I forget to make. less than a month till cloaks. You ***** at everyone else about not doing research and then don't do research... If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
Nocturnal Soul Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2102	Posted - 2014.03.02 16:47:00 - [79] - Quote Puts glasses on Well... If we're talking real life here then lets put some hypothetical scenarios in this thread. WE'RE FREAKING 20,000 YEARS IN THE FUTURE HTFU!! But on a side note I salute you for serving your country "But we have been blessed"
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 3099	Posted - 2014.03.02 16:51:00 - [80] - Quote I'm deeply disappointed that I can't play a 96B. The best I can do is hang out in the MCC and stare at the map for the entire match attempting to guess where the enemy force is located. I should be able to skill up Chair Sitting and Map Symbols to 5. // Lance Commander // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana

Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 209	Posted - 2014.03.02 16:53:00 - [81] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: You can't be bothered to go look up what a RL scout is, so until you do you really can't say that for certain can you? since you clearly don't know the slightest of what I'm talking about. Jumping out of airplanes with oxygen gear at 6 miles up and not pulling the ripcord until you are just over the treetops is fun. Full auto shotguns are fun. 65 mph mechanized infantry fighting vehicles with rapid fire cannons and anti tank missles are fun. Pointing a little device at a tank, bunker, or other installation and watching it disappear in a cloud of debris from the strike you called in is fun. Dangling under a helicopter from a rope with all your friends is fun. The Fulton Aerial Recovery System is like fishing for infantry with an airplane. Sorry, not like, literally is. FUN You all are making it obvious that you are not even reading anything but one line from the OP and just blasting an opinion to try and make yourselves look clever. How lame. No need for parachutes, we have inertia dampeners AA12 would be a cool addition, maybe a Minmatar SG MAV's SoonGäó Active Scanner, light stuff up for your squad leader so he can drop that OB where it's needed Dangling from anything in this game means death though I admit that it sounds like fun Last one sounds fun but current map size makes this impossible to execute As for the OP and the rest of the post made on the thread, I read them all. ps. Where is that cloaked heavy/commando? You boasted that you could perform every action of the scout in one after all pps. maybe scout suits should be named a guerilla/ranger suits? We don't have cloaks yet, I still have what, months? To figure out how to swing it. How does BF handle jets and such? Aren't we supposed to get those too? Or some other 'quick extraction' method, maybe modifying it to work for dropships. Simplest way would be some sort of pilot operated tractor beam, but that would be cheesy. There's ways to make it all work. Scouts should be the ultimate answer to tank spam, being able to light them up for swarm guys, turret gunners and all. That was another point I forget to make. less than a month till cloaks. You ***** at everyone else about not doing research and then don't do research... Dude, don't be a dumbass. Everyone knows when the devs -say- it will be out, I was being sarcastic. You are now officially grasping at straws to stay relevant to this conversation. Congrats. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 209	Posted - 2014.03.02 16:55:00 - [82] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: I'm deeply disappointed that I can't play a 96B. The best I can do is hang out in the MCC and stare at the map for the entire match attempting to guess where the enemy force is located. I should be able to skill up Chair Sitting and Map Symbols to 5. I'm pretty sure there's something like that in EVE, you should try that. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
Demon Buddah Corporate Disaster 190	Posted - 2014.03.02 16:57:00 - [83] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: I was a 19D Cavalry Scout in the US Army. I have seen what real scouts do on a battlefield, and the wanna-be "scouts" in New Eden are no where close. Your mission is to get in a squad and find enemies for your squad. Your squad comes and kills the enemies while you slip away to find more enemies for your squad. It's so simple, yet, pretty much all scouts in this game get it wrong. This is easy to understand because CCP also doesn't understand what a scout's role is. Scouts are not ninjas. They do not carry weapons like Nova Knives. I personally find NK scouts offensive to my former professsion. Scouts are not CQCers. If you are engaging the enemy yourself, it's because you screwed up and they saw you. Scout's main weapons should be their laser designator. Oh, that's right, CCP didn't include that mechanic, which is basically the ONE THING A SCOUT IS SUPPOSED TO DO. Why the F did you even include scouts at all?!? God you guys suck at making video games. Did we stab you or something? Is that why you're here? 1.) it's a game 2.) it's in the future, so the role could change 3.) it's a game 4.) Scout is just a role name, it's like assaults using rep tools or needles, wouldn't that make them a medic then? 5.) it's a game 6.) Skeet 7.) sweg 8.) Murrica 9.) Minmitar scouts are really the only real "Ninjas" in the game. They are "assassins" and finally the most important 10.) It's a game (shocker)
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 211	Posted - 2014.03.02 16:59:00 - [84] - Quote Demon Buddah wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: I was a 19D Cavalry Scout in the US Army. I have seen what real scouts do on a battlefield, and the wanna-be "scouts" in New Eden are no where close. Your mission is to get in a squad and find enemies for your squad. Your squad comes and kills the enemies while you slip away to find more enemies for your squad. It's so simple, yet, pretty much all scouts in this game get it wrong. This is easy to understand because CCP also doesn't understand what a scout's role is. Scouts are not ninjas. They do not carry weapons like Nova Knives. I personally find NK scouts offensive to my former professsion. Scouts are not CQCers. If you are engaging the enemy yourself, it's because you screwed up and they saw you. Scout's main weapons should be their laser designator. Oh, that's right, CCP didn't include that mechanic, which is basically the ONE THING A SCOUT IS SUPPOSED TO DO. Why the F did you even include scouts at all?!? God you guys suck at making video games. Did we stab you or something? Is that why you're here? 1.) it's a game 2.) it's in the future, so the role could change 3.) it's a game 4.) Scout is just a role name, it's like assaults using rep tools or needles, wouldn't that make them a medic then? 5.) it's a game 6.) Skeet 7.) sweg 8.) Murrica 9.) Minmitar scouts are really the only real "Ninjas" in the game. They are "assassins" and finally the most important 10.) It's a game (shocker) So, just another one who didn't read the thread, and is only here to try to make themselves look cool? Super, this game doesn't have nearly enough of those. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
Demon Buddah Corporate Disaster 191	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:02:00 - [85] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: Demon Buddah wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: I was a 19D Cavalry Scout in the US Army. I have seen what real scouts do on a battlefield, and the wanna-be "scouts" in New Eden are no where close. Your mission is to get in a squad and find enemies for your squad. Your squad comes and kills the enemies while you slip away to find more enemies for your squad. It's so simple, yet, pretty much all scouts in this game get it wrong. This is easy to understand because CCP also doesn't understand what a scout's role is. Scouts are not ninjas. They do not carry weapons like Nova Knives. I personally find NK scouts offensive to my former professsion. Scouts are not CQCers. If you are engaging the enemy yourself, it's because you screwed up and they saw you. Scout's main weapons should be their laser designator. Oh, that's right, CCP didn't include that mechanic, which is basically the ONE THING A SCOUT IS SUPPOSED TO DO. Why the F did you even include scouts at all?!? God you guys suck at making video games. Did we stab you or something? Is that why you're here? 1.) it's a game 2.) it's in the future, so the role could change 3.) it's a game 4.) Scout is just a role name, it's like assaults using rep tools or needles, wouldn't that make them a medic then? 5.) it's a game 6.) Skeet 7.) sweg 8.) Murrica 9.) Minmitar scouts are really the only real "Ninjas" in the game. They are "assassins" and finally the most important 10.) It's a game (shocker) So, just another one who didn't read the thread, and is only here to try to make themselves look cool? Super, this game doesn't have nearly enough of those. Am I cool yet mom?
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 167	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:06:00 - [86] - Quote Stay away from my Minja! Holds Nova Knives close, petting them lovingly Don't worry, we won't let the mean Amarr hurt you. Go play Battlefield 4 It has what you seek. Or Arma. Sometimes I miss never seeing tanks in a battle... then I remember the mystical flying soma, and I can't help but smile.
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 211	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:08:00 - [87] - Quote And no, I wasn't stabbed. This has nothing to do with nova knives, other than I personally think they are the dumbest weapon in the game. Before any of you start puffing out your chests and start making all the "I'll show you blah blah blah" statements.... I got killed by a Nova Knife user. Once. During my first few days of playing. I was standing there, minding my own business, and this guy comes hopping across the map like a rabbit. I was like "WTF is this guy doing?" I thought he was screwing with me, so I started jumping up and down too. Then he stabbed me. I couldn't tell what he did, at first, I just lost a little health. Then a little more, Then I died. First time, only time. Oh, they try, but I just wash them away with the fire hose like effect of my HMG. I laugh every time I see that animation. Plus, they all give themselves away. Horrible, horrible. Jump right out, might as well shout "A-ha!" while they do it. Ninja, they are not. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7120	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:09:00 - [88] - Quote Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know you were god and you get to decide our role. ** you. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor**
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 3852	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:12:00 - [89] - Quote most people think scouts are assasins of sorts.... and wouldnt the scanner be the equivalent of your laser thingy? (just wondering not trashing you or anybody) Scout- "I'm going to knife you my commando!!!" commando turns around Commando- "FAAAAALCCCOOONNNNN PUUUUNNNCCCCHH!!"
Hecarim Van Hohen ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 495	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:14:00 - [90] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: Dude, don't be a dumbass. Everyone knows when the devs -say- it will be out, I was being sarcastic. You are now officially grasping at straws to stay relevant to this conversation. Congrats. Atleast I'm not being a douche about it BANGO SKANK WAS HERE 1.7 best match (HMG): 40/9/9 (K/A/D)

Master Smurf Nos Nothi 161	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:14:00 - [91] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: Scout's main weapons should be their laser designator. Oh, that's right, CCP didn't include that mechanic, which is basically the ONE THING A SCOUT IS SUPPOSED TO DO. Why the F did you even include scouts at all?!? Do you mean the active scanner? That thing I have fit on pretty much every one of my combat logis, and a number of my assaults? No, it works like this. You point it at a target, the target shows up on the minimap of all your squad, and whoever is in a missle battery or whatever can lock on to your signal and shoot the enemy from miles away. It's awesome. We'd crawl through the sand, pop up over a dune, lase a T72, and BOOM the Apache pilot two miles away hits him with a Hellfire. Like I said, awesome. Scouts in DUST need to be able to do this. Having them running around like Power Rangers like they do now is foolish. I have aksed for something like this for months now. Many of the veteran "scouts" in this game often admit your key points - the light frame specialization shouldnt be named scout and CCP have done a woeful job of carving out a role. Scout is one of the roles, Assassin is supposedly another and Saboteur another. - Because mechanics and WP havent been setup for most of this then many people will play the role like Rogues and Rangers from other RPG styled games. "Shine bright like a diamond"
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 135	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:15:00 - [92] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: TheD1CK wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: I was a 19D Cavalry Scout in the US Army. I have seen what real scouts do on a battlefield, and the wanna-be "scouts" in New Eden are no where close. Your mission is to get in a squad and find enemies for your squad. Your squad comes and kills the enemies while you slip away to find more enemies for your squad. It's so simple, yet, pretty much all scouts in this game get it wrong. This is easy to understand because CCP also doesn't understand what a scout's role is. Scouts are not ninjas. They do not carry weapons like Nova Knives. I personally find NK scouts offensive to my former professsion. Scouts are not CQCers. If you are engaging the enemy yourself, it's because you screwed up and they saw you. Scout's main weapons should be their laser designator. Oh, that's right, CCP didn't include that mechanic, which is basically the ONE THING A SCOUT IS SUPPOSED TO DO. Why the F did you even include scouts at all?!? God you guys suck at making video games. Sorry buddy, your hopes of re-living the old military days through Dust514 are done This is a sci-fi computer game, don't expect it to match up to your time in Military .... Dust is not real-life..... Yeah, I get that. I also have no interest in re-living my wicked awesome Army days with this wicked unawesome game. You see, laser designators were supposed to make it into the game. But they didn't. Why? It would be too easy to blow up AUR vehicles. This game only exists to sell AUR, so anything that could hurt sales will never make the cut. But, rather than scrap scouts all together even they don't have an actual, specific only to them role, CCP kept them in anyway. I mean, even -snipers- have a role in this game, i.e. shoot RR users. What is it a scout can do that some other class doesn't already do better? They slip by enemy lines flank create distractions ( because there stealth machanic) drop uplinks hack quicker min scouts create distractions so your team can push in. Be creative Dust 514 scouts aren't strait foward like most other suits . And Dust 514 is si-fi shooter not a military simulator get used to it. Caldari Loyalist
Darrius Smithmage Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 5	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:19:00 - [93] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: You can't be bothered to go look up what a RL scout is, so until you do you really can't say that for certain can you? since you clearly don't know the slightest of what I'm talking about. Jumping out of airplanes with oxygen gear at 6 miles up and not pulling the ripcord until you are just over the treetops is fun. Full auto shotguns are fun. 65 mph mechanized infantry fighting vehicles with rapid fire cannons and anti tank missles are fun. Pointing a little device at a tank, bunker, or other installation and watching it disappear in a cloud of debris from the strike you called in is fun. Dangling under a helicopter from a rope with all your friends is fun. The Fulton Aerial Recovery System is like fishing for infantry with an airplane. Sorry, not like, literally is. FUN You all are making it obvious that you are not even reading anything but one line from the OP and just blasting an opinion to try and make yourselves look clever. How lame. No need for parachutes, we have inertia dampeners AA12 would be a cool addition, maybe a Minmatar SG MAV's SoonGäó Active Scanner, light stuff up for your squad leader so he can drop that OB where it's needed Dangling from anything in this game means death though I admit that it sounds like fun Last one sounds fun but current map size makes this impossible to execute As for the OP and the rest of the post made on the thread, I read them all. ps. Where is that cloaked heavy/commando? You boasted that you could perform every action of the scout in one after all pps. maybe scout suits should be named a guerilla/ranger suits? We don't have cloaks yet, I still have what, months? To figure out how to swing it. How does BF handle jets and such? Aren't we supposed to get those too? Or some other 'quick extraction' method, maybe modifying it to work for dropships. Simplest way would be some sort of pilot operated tractor beam, but that would be cheesy. There's ways to make it all work. Scouts should be the ultimate answer to tank spam, being able to light them up for swarm guys, turret gunners and all. That was another point I forget to make. less than a month till cloaks. You ***** at everyone else about not doing research and then don't do research... Dude, don't be a dumbass. Everyone knows when the devs -say- it will be out, I was being sarcastic. You are now officially grasping at straws to stay relevant to this conversation. Congrats. I understand and agree with you but I think it stupied how you name all these things real.scouts can do but your thread insult the scouts in "this game" .You can't say we don't know our role we can't do 90% of what you listed. And if your still not happy you can allways just leave. Before you yell at me I don't know what I'm talking I did research everything you talk about and it does.sound cool.Except I don't want missle.turrents and swarm harassing my ds all game but whatever. Oh and thanks for serveing you country I really mean that So what if I roleplay calderi soldier for life! now stfu and gun for my lav.
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 215	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:19:00 - [94] - Quote Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: Dude, don't be a dumbass. Everyone knows when the devs -say- it will be out, I was being sarcastic. You are now officially grasping at straws to stay relevant to this conversation. Congrats. Atleast I'm not being a douche about it I'm not a douche, I'm from Maine, so that makes me a dickhead. Lobster flavored. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
Darrius Smithmage Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 5	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:19:00 - [95] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: You can't be bothered to go look up what a RL scout is, so until you do you really can't say that for certain can you? since you clearly don't know the slightest of what I'm talking about. Jumping out of airplanes with oxygen gear at 6 miles up and not pulling the ripcord until you are just over the treetops is fun. Full auto shotguns are fun. 65 mph mechanized infantry fighting vehicles with rapid fire cannons and anti tank missles are fun. Pointing a little device at a tank, bunker, or other installation and watching it disappear in a cloud of debris from the strike you called in is fun. Dangling under a helicopter from a rope with all your friends is fun. The Fulton Aerial Recovery System is like fishing for infantry with an airplane. Sorry, not like, literally is. FUN You all are making it obvious that you are not even reading anything but one line from the OP and just blasting an opinion to try and make yourselves look clever. How lame. No need for parachutes, we have inertia dampeners AA12 would be a cool addition, maybe a Minmatar SG MAV's SoonGäó Active Scanner, light stuff up for your squad leader so he can drop that OB where it's needed Dangling from anything in this game means death though I admit that it sounds like fun Last one sounds fun but current map size makes this impossible to execute As for the OP and the rest of the post made on the thread, I read them all. ps. Where is that cloaked heavy/commando? You boasted that you could perform every action of the scout in one after all pps. maybe scout suits should be named a guerilla/ranger suits? We don't have cloaks yet, I still have what, months? To figure out how to swing it. How does BF handle jets and such? Aren't we supposed to get those too? Or some other 'quick extraction' method, maybe modifying it to work for dropships. Simplest way would be some sort of pilot operated tractor beam, but that would be cheesy. There's ways to make it all work. Scouts should be the ultimate answer to tank spam, being able to light them up for swarm guys, turret gunners and all. That was another point I forget to make. less than a month till cloaks. You ***** at everyone else about not doing research and then don't do research... Dude, don't be a dumbass. Everyone knows when the devs -say- it will be out, I was being sarcastic. You are now officially grasping at straws to stay relevant to this conversation. Congrats. I understand and agree with you but I think it stupied how you name all these things real.scouts can do but your thread insult the scouts in "this game" .You can't say we don't know our role we can't do 90% of what you listed. And if your still not happy you can allways just leave. Before you yell at me I don't know what I'm talking I did research everything you talk about and it does.sound cool.Except I don't want missle.turrents and swarm harassing my ds all game but whatever. Oh and thanks for serveing you country I really mean that So what if I roleplay calderi soldier for life! now stfu and gun for my lav.
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 1055	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:20:00 - [96] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: You can't be bothered to go look up what a RL scout is, so until you do you really can't say that for certain can you? since you clearly don't know the slightest of what I'm talking about. Jumping out of airplanes with oxygen gear at 6 miles up and not pulling the ripcord until you are just over the treetops is fun. Full auto shotguns are fun. 65 mph mechanized infantry fighting vehicles with rapid fire cannons and anti tank missles are fun. Pointing a little device at a tank, bunker, or other installation and watching it disappear in a cloud of debris from the strike you called in is fun. Dangling under a helicopter from a rope with all your friends is fun. The Fulton Aerial Recovery System is like fishing for infantry with an airplane. Sorry, not like, literally is. FUN You all are making it obvious that you are not even reading anything but one line from the OP and just blasting an opinion to try and make yourselves look clever. How lame. No need for parachutes, we have inertia dampeners AA12 would be a cool addition, maybe a Minmatar SG MAV's SoonGäó Active Scanner, light stuff up for your squad leader so he can drop that OB where it's needed Dangling from anything in this game means death though I admit that it sounds like fun Last one sounds fun but current map size makes this impossible to execute As for the OP and the rest of the post made on the thread, I read them all. ps. Where is that cloaked heavy/commando? You boasted that you could perform every action of the scout in one after all pps. maybe scout suits should be named a guerilla/ranger suits? We don't have cloaks yet, I still have what, months? To figure out how to swing it. How does BF handle jets and such? Aren't we supposed to get those too? Or some other 'quick extraction' method, maybe modifying it to work for dropships. Simplest way would be some sort of pilot operated tractor beam, but that would be cheesy. There's ways to make it all work. Scouts should be the ultimate answer to tank spam, being able to light them up for swarm guys, turret gunners and all. That was another point I forget to make. less than a month till cloaks. You ***** at everyone else about not doing research and then don't do research... Dude, don't be a dumbass. Everyone knows when the devs -say- it will be out, I was being sarcastic. You are now officially grasping at straws to stay relevant to this conversation. Congrats. No, I'm pointing out how you're entirely wrong and you're now trying to tell me that I'm not relevant to the conversation because you're in a fight you can't win. If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 161	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:22:00 - [97] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: And no, I wasn't stabbed. This has nothing to do with nova knives, other than I personally think they are the dumbest weapon in the game. Before any of you start puffing out your chests and start making all the "I'll show you blah blah blah" statements.... I got killed by a Nova Knife user. Once. During my first few days of playing. I was standing there, minding my own business, and this guy comes hopping across the map like a rabbit. I was like "WTF is this guy doing?" I thought he was screwing with me, so I started jumping up and down too. Then he stabbed me. I couldn't tell what he did, at first, I just lost a little health. Then a little more, Then I died. First time, only time. Oh, they try, but I just wash them away with the fire hose like effect of my HMG. I laugh every time I see that animation. Plus, they all give themselves away. Horrible, horrible. Jump right out, might as well shout "A-ha!" while they do it. Ninja, they are not. Thats down to the player though - not the weapon. The best Knifers you never see or only when its too late. There are others that use it only as a sidearm so they can silently take out flanked enemies or in CQC when they can strafe or surprise opponents who might try to rush them. I have been in rooms or around corners where I am trying to stay out of fire because the other suits have the HP advantage. Because of this they rush the poor little scout only to get surprised by two quick slashes or a timed charged slash. And I'm average. "Shine bright like a diamond"
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1369	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:28:00 - [98] - Quote Squad view is still here for scouts, but it won't show EVERYONE. Everyone can carry scanners. You forget there's barely any cover to keep looking for reds around the whole map. I agree that scouts should be renamed and that there should be another more scout based variation released as I have posted before. Their description mentions stealth and assassinations. America is not a standard (coming from an American). It's just a game. If you don't like it, leave.
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 136	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:30:00 - [99] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: Slash Frenzy wrote: Quote: Sorry buddy, your hopes of re-living the old military days through Dust514 are done Pirate This is a sci-fi computer game, don't expect it to match up to your time in Military .... Dust is not real-life..... This. But I agree most play the scout to offensive. Because most play alone and wanna earn WP to get SP. When I-¦m in a squad my main purpose is placing uplinks, hack uncovered objectives and kill sniper/scouts. I do see that this can be a description of the scout in this game. But, just my 2c. So, you use your scout as a logi? IS there anything you can do that another class can't? Everything you described I do with a commando. I'm just trying to figure if scouts even have a purpose. If anyone can do what they do, then I'd say they don't. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, just because a commando can drop uplinks, hack points and kill snipers doesn't mean its the best for the job. Otherwise we would only have 2 basic suits a heavy and a medium because between they can do every job EVER. It like telling my Minmatar Flanking suit is terrible because the Jobs I do with it can be done with any other suit. Which they can, but when your squad is pinned down I would much rather have a fast moderately dampned minmatar to say a lumbering brick tanked amarr as my flanker. But that doesn't mean someone else can play amarr as flanker it just doesn't suit MY style, it's not wrong but to me its not right either. We really only have 3 suits now, heavy, logi, and assault. but aren't you a dust514 super scub U Level 262 forum troll? Why should I Lisen to you? Caldari Loyalist
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 215	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:32:00 - [100] - Quote Darrius, thank you for actually looking at what I was talking about. You are better understanding what your role should be. Not the lame assclown scouts you see now with nothing to do someone else can't already do. Tell me hopping out of a DS onto an obj, hacking it, and using a DUST version of the FARS to get back on board so you and the pilot can zoom to the next one shouldn't be part of this game. Or some version of a laser designator, if only to combat tank spam. Or any of the rest. Any of you who play scouts are being seriously let down, and undermined by the game. Quit buying what they're selling and demand better toys. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.

Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 573	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:35:00 - [101] - Quote ^ <- real life is this way -> These forums must be located in the Californin country side, there is whine as far as the eye can see.
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 136	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:39:00 - [102] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: Darrius, thank you for actually looking at what I was talking about. You are better understanding what your role should be. Not the lame assclown scouts you see now with nothing to do someone else can't already do. Tell me hopping out of a DS onto an obj, hacking it, and using a DUST version of the FARS to get back on board so you and the pilot can zoom to the next one shouldn't be part of this game. Or some version of a laser designator, if only to combat tank spam. Or any of the rest. Any of you who play scouts are being seriously let down, and undermined by the game. Quit buying what they're selling and demand better toys. You super dust 514 scrub how many people does it take to tellyou that this is a sci-fi you idiot your days in the military is not dust 514 . So please SHUT UP!!! Caldari Loyalist
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 216	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:39:00 - [103] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Squad view is still here for scouts, but it won't show EVERYONE. Everyone can carry scanners. You forget there's barely any cover to keep looking for reds around the whole map. I agree that scouts should be renamed and that there should be another more scout based variation released as I have posted before. Their description mentions stealth and assassinations. America is not a standard (coming from an American). It's just a game. If you don't like it, leave. I know everyone can carry scanners. I haven't mentioned them one single time this entire thread. Go look up what I'm talking about. Scouts shouldn't be looking for enemy reds, they should be sneaking up behind vehicles. I have no issue with the name and never said it should be changed A mention is much different then their primary role. Killing things is the one common denominator throughout this game. America sure as hell is not a standard, it's exceptional Are you sure it's just a game and I'm not currently in Hell? If I don't like it I try to make it better, when that fails, I just cause chaos. I'm still trying to make things better, btw. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 216	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:41:00 - [104] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: Darrius, thank you for actually looking at what I was talking about. You are better understanding what your role should be. Not the lame assclown scouts you see now with nothing to do someone else can't already do. Tell me hopping out of a DS onto an obj, hacking it, and using a DUST version of the FARS to get back on board so you and the pilot can zoom to the next one shouldn't be part of this game. Or some version of a laser designator, if only to combat tank spam. Or any of the rest. Any of you who play scouts are being seriously let down, and undermined by the game. Quit buying what they're selling and demand better toys. You super dust 514 scrub how many people does it take to tellyou that this is a sci-fi you idiot your days in the military is not dust 514 . So please SHUT UP!!! Dude, what are you jelly? Go enlist, it's easy. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 136	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:45:00 - [105] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: Joel II X wrote: Squad view is still here for scouts, but it won't show EVERYONE. Everyone can carry scanners. You forget there's barely any cover to keep looking for reds around the whole map. I agree that scouts should be renamed and that there should be another more scout based variation released as I have posted before. Their description mentions stealth and assassinations. America is not a standard (coming from an American). It's just a game. If you don't like it, leave. I know everyone can carry scanners. I haven't mentioned them one single time this entire thread. Go look up what I'm talking about. Scouts shouldn't be looking for enemy reds, they should be sneaking up behind vehicles. I have no issue with the name and never said it should be changed A mention is much different then their primary role. Killing things is the one common denominator throughout this game. America sure as hell is not a standard, it's exceptional Are you sure it's just a game and I'm not currently in Hell? If I don't like it I try to make it better, when that fails, I just cause chaos. I'm still trying to make things better, btw. Yes it is a GAME just like war the past 5 pages have said. Caldari Loyalist
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 136	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:46:00 - [106] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: Darrius, thank you for actually looking at what I was talking about. You are better understanding what your role should be. Not the lame assclown scouts you see now with nothing to do someone else can't already do. Tell me hopping out of a DS onto an obj, hacking it, and using a DUST version of the FARS to get back on board so you and the pilot can zoom to the next one shouldn't be part of this game. Or some version of a laser designator, if only to combat tank spam. Or any of the rest. Any of you who play scouts are being seriously let down, and undermined by the game. Quit buying what they're selling and demand better toys. You super dust 514 scrub how many people does it take to tellyou that this is a sci-fi you idiot your days in the military is not dust 514 . So please SHUT UP!!! Dude, what are you jelly? Go enlist, it's easy. No one should be jelious of a scrub like you. Caldari Loyalist
Buster Friently Rosen Association 1897	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:46:00 - [107] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: I was a 19D Cavalry Scout in the US Army. I have seen what real scouts do on a battlefield, and the wanna-be "scouts" in New Eden are no where close. Your mission is to get in a squad and find enemies for your squad. Your squad comes and kills the enemies while you slip away to find more enemies for your squad. It's so simple, yet, pretty much all scouts in this game get it wrong. This is easy to understand because CCP also doesn't understand what a scout's role is. Scouts are not ninjas. They do not carry weapons like Nova Knives. I personally find NK scouts offensive to my former professsion. Scouts are not CQCers. If you are engaging the enemy yourself, it's because you screwed up and they saw you. Scout's main weapons should be their laser designator. Oh, that's right, CCP didn't include that mechanic, which is basically the ONE THING A SCOUT IS SUPPOSED TO DO. Why the F did you even include scouts at all?!? God you guys suck at making video games. This is true. CCP seems incapable of fleshing out any role except the fabled "slayer".
Awesome Pantaloons Lokapalas. 266	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:48:00 - [108] - Quote Why is everyone so against having some degree of realism in this game? I get that it is a sci-fi shooter video game, but does it not enhance the experience when something doesn't seem all that far from reality? Personally I enjoy it when a game throws in a few elements that mirror the world. Even 20,000 years won't change military that much. You know why? Because war... War never changes. "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited." -The Code of Demeanor
Hecarim Van Hohen ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 497	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:48:00 - [109] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: America sure as hell is not a standard, it's exceptional Suspicions confirmed, OP is a troll BANGO SKANK WAS HERE 1.7 best match (HMG): 40/9/9 (K/A/D)
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 216	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:49:00 - [110] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: Darrius, thank you for actually looking at what I was talking about. You are better understanding what your role should be. Not the lame assclown scouts you see now with nothing to do someone else can't already do. Tell me hopping out of a DS onto an obj, hacking it, and using a DUST version of the FARS to get back on board so you and the pilot can zoom to the next one shouldn't be part of this game. Or some version of a laser designator, if only to combat tank spam. Or any of the rest. Any of you who play scouts are being seriously let down, and undermined by the game. Quit buying what they're selling and demand better toys. You super dust 514 scrub how many people does it take to tellyou that this is a sci-fi you idiot your days in the military is not dust 514 . So please SHUT UP!!! Dude, what are you jelly? Go enlist, it's easy. No one should be jelious of a scrub like you. Well, it's just that it seems like all you want to talk about is my former service in the United States armed forces and not all the awesome ideas for things scouts should be doing. It's almost like you're not paying attention at all to the conversation. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.

Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 4673	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:49:00 - [111] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: TheD1CK wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: I was a 19D Cavalry Scout in the US Army. I have seen what real scouts do on a battlefield, and the wanna-be "scouts" in New Eden are no where close. Your mission is to get in a squad and find enemies for your squad. Your squad comes and kills the enemies while you slip away to find more enemies for your squad. It's so simple, yet, pretty much all scouts in this game get it wrong. This is easy to understand because CCP also doesn't understand what a scout's role is. Scouts are not ninjas. They do not carry weapons like Nova Knives. I personally find NK scouts offensive to my former professsion. Scouts are not CQCers. If you are engaging the enemy yourself, it's because you screwed up and they saw you. Scout's main weapons should be their laser designator. Oh, that's right, CCP didn't include that mechanic, which is basically the ONE THING A SCOUT IS SUPPOSED TO DO. Why the F did you even include scouts at all?!? God you guys suck at making video games. Sorry buddy, your hopes of re-living the old military days through Dust514 are done This is a sci-fi computer game, don't expect it to match up to your time in Military .... Dust is not real-life..... Yeah, I get that. I also have no interest in re-living my wicked awesome Army days with this wicked unawesome game. You see, laser designators were supposed to make it into the game. But they didn't. Why? It would be too easy to blow up AUR vehicles. This game only exists to sell AUR, so anything that could hurt sales will never make the cut. But, rather than scrap scouts all together even they don't have an actual, specific only to them role, CCP kept them in anyway. I mean, even -snipers- have a role in this game, i.e. shoot RR users. What is it a scout can do that some other class doesn't already do better? Would you mind sourcing that post for us? I've been around here for a LONG time, and I recall no mention of Laser Designators whatsoever. Btw, that would also include conversations with Devs in IRC. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
One Eyed King Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 441	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:50:00 - [112] - Quote Isn't the OP just another jerrmy 12/ NK Scout alt? If so, I thought he was a 17 yo brat who would be too young for the army. Looking for the scout hangout?
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 216	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:52:00 - [113] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: TheD1CK wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: I was a 19D Cavalry Scout in the US Army. I have seen what real scouts do on a battlefield, and the wanna-be "scouts" in New Eden are no where close. Your mission is to get in a squad and find enemies for your squad. Your squad comes and kills the enemies while you slip away to find more enemies for your squad. It's so simple, yet, pretty much all scouts in this game get it wrong. This is easy to understand because CCP also doesn't understand what a scout's role is. Scouts are not ninjas. They do not carry weapons like Nova Knives. I personally find NK scouts offensive to my former professsion. Scouts are not CQCers. If you are engaging the enemy yourself, it's because you screwed up and they saw you. Scout's main weapons should be their laser designator. Oh, that's right, CCP didn't include that mechanic, which is basically the ONE THING A SCOUT IS SUPPOSED TO DO. Why the F did you even include scouts at all?!? God you guys suck at making video games. Sorry buddy, your hopes of re-living the old military days through Dust514 are done This is a sci-fi computer game, don't expect it to match up to your time in Military .... Dust is not real-life..... Yeah, I get that. I also have no interest in re-living my wicked awesome Army days with this wicked unawesome game. You see, laser designators were supposed to make it into the game. But they didn't. Why? It would be too easy to blow up AUR vehicles. This game only exists to sell AUR, so anything that could hurt sales will never make the cut. But, rather than scrap scouts all together even they don't have an actual, specific only to them role, CCP kept them in anyway. I mean, even -snipers- have a role in this game, i.e. shoot RR users. What is it a scout can do that some other class doesn't already do better? Would you mind sourcing that post for us? I've been around here for a LONG time, and I recall no mention of Laser Designators whatsoever. Btw, that would also include conversations with Devs in IRC. I would if I thought it would make any difference, but like that would happen. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 136	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:52:00 - [114] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: Darrius, thank you for actually looking at what I was talking about. You are better understanding what your role should be. Not the lame assclown scouts you see now with nothing to do someone else can't already do. Tell me hopping out of a DS onto an obj, hacking it, and using a DUST version of the FARS to get back on board so you and the pilot can zoom to the next one shouldn't be part of this game. Or some version of a laser designator, if only to combat tank spam. Or any of the rest. Any of you who play scouts are being seriously let down, and undermined by the game. Quit buying what they're selling and demand better toys. You super dust 514 scrub how many people does it take to tellyou that this is a sci-fi you idiot your days in the military is not dust 514 . So please SHUT UP!!! Dude, what are you jelly? Go enlist, it's easy. No one should be jelious of a scrub like you. Well, it's just that it seems like all you want to talk about is my former service in the United States armed forces and not all the awesome ideas for things scouts should be doing. It's almost like you're not paying attention at all to the conversation. Your profile says dust 514 super scrub Level 262 forum troll well I wonder ... Caldari Loyalist
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 216	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:53:00 - [115] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Isn't the OP just another jerrmy 12/ NK Scout alt? If so, I thought he was a 17 yo brat who would be too young for the army. He was the one who killed me with the goddamn nova knives. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
One Eyed King Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 441	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:54:00 - [116] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Isn't the OP just another jerrmy 12/ NK Scout alt? If so, I thought he was a 17 yo brat who would be too young for the army. He was the one who killed me with the goddamn nova knives. Right... Looking for the scout hangout?
Onesimus Tarsus TRUE TEA BAGGERS EoN. 1284	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:55:00 - [117] - Quote It's just so good to know that everyone else is so supremely filling their role that we can focus on the shortcomings of scouts. Start an alt, use no SP, grab a starter fit and join me in "no SP warriors" chat!
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 459	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:55:00 - [118] - Quote real life =/= video game Don't be a moron. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 136	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:57:00 - [119] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: Darrius, thank you for actually looking at what I was talking about. You are better understanding what your role should be. Not the lame assclown scouts you see now with nothing to do someone else can't already do. Tell me hopping out of a DS onto an obj, hacking it, and using a DUST version of the FARS to get back on board so you and the pilot can zoom to the next one shouldn't be part of this game. Or some version of a laser designator, if only to combat tank spam. Or any of the rest. Any of you who play scouts are being seriously let down, and undermined by the game. Quit buying what they're selling and demand better toys. You super dust 514 scrub how many people does it take to tellyou that this is a sci-fi you idiot your days in the military is not dust 514 . So please SHUT UP!!! Dude, what are you jelly? Go enlist, it's easy. No one should be jelious of a scrub like you. Well, it's just that it seems like all you want to talk about is my former service in the United States armed forces and not all the awesome ideas for things scouts should be doing. It's almost like you're not paying attention at all to the conversation. No it's the fact that having a bombardment from above would be op to vehicles and would neutrulize the reason to work for orbs vehicles shouldn't be destroyed to Easley since they cost so much DERP Caldari Loyalist
Oxskull Duncarino 0uter.Heaven 453	Posted - 2014.03.02 18:00:00 - [120] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Isn't the OP just another jerrmy 12/ NK Scout alt? If so, I thought he was a 17 yo brat who would be too young for the army. He/she/it has more alts but are always easy to spot due to the bull that they post.

Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 216	Posted - 2014.03.02 18:03:00 - [121] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: Darrius, thank you for actually looking at what I was talking about. You are better understanding what your role should be. Not the lame assclown scouts you see now with nothing to do someone else can't already do. Tell me hopping out of a DS onto an obj, hacking it, and using a DUST version of the FARS to get back on board so you and the pilot can zoom to the next one shouldn't be part of this game. Or some version of a laser designator, if only to combat tank spam. Or any of the rest. Any of you who play scouts are being seriously let down, and undermined by the game. Quit buying what they're selling and demand better toys. You super dust 514 scrub how many people does it take to tellyou that this is a sci-fi you idiot your days in the military is not dust 514 . So please SHUT UP!!! Dude, what are you jelly? Go enlist, it's easy. No one should be jelious of a scrub like you.[/quote] Well, it's just that it seems like all you want to talk about is my former service in the United States armed forces and not all the awesome ideas for things scouts should be doing. It's almost like you're not paying attention at all to the conversation.[/quote] No it's the fact that having a bombardment from above would be op to vehicles and would neutrulize the reason to work for orbs vehicles shouldn't be destroyed to Easley since they cost so much DERP[/quote] Did you not read the thread? I didn't mention bombardments once. Also, vehicles are cheaper than my adv suit, but that's for another thread. We've been discussing cool RL scout activities that should be in game. Well, that and one guy can't leave it alone that I was in the Army. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
Hecarim Van Hohen ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 498	Posted - 2014.03.02 18:04:00 - [122] - Quote Oxskull Duncarino wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Isn't the OP just another jerrmy 12/ NK Scout alt? If so, I thought he was a 17 yo brat who would be too young for the army. He/she/it has more alts but are always easy to spot due to the bull that they post. BS like this? BANGO SKANK WAS HERE 1.7 best match (HMG): 40/9/9 (K/A/D)
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 216	Posted - 2014.03.02 18:05:00 - [123] - Quote Oxskull Duncarino wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Isn't the OP just another jerrmy 12/ NK Scout alt? If so, I thought he was a 17 yo brat who would be too young for the army. He/she/it has more alts but are always easy to spot due to the bull that they post. Sorry, not NK Scout. Also, I start all of my troll posts with DISCLAIMER THIS IS NOT A TROLL POST just to throw the reader off. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
Righteous Holylight Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2014.03.02 18:12:00 - [124] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: I was a 19D Cavalry Scout in the US Army. I have seen what real scouts do on a battlefield, and the wanna-be "scouts" in New Eden are no where close. Your mission is to get in a squad and find enemies for your squad. Your squad comes and kills the enemies while you slip away to find more enemies for your squad. It's so simple, yet, pretty much all scouts in this game get it wrong. This is easy to understand because CCP also doesn't understand what a scout's role is. Scouts are not ninjas. They do not carry weapons like Nova Knives. I personally find NK scouts offensive to my former professsion. Scouts are not CQCers. If you are engaging the enemy yourself, it's because you screwed up and they saw you. Scout's main weapons should be their laser designator. Oh, that's right, CCP didn't include that mechanic, which is basically the ONE THING A SCOUT IS SUPPOSED TO DO. Why the F did you even include scouts at all?!? God you guys suck at making video games. And while we are at it GÇö Everything in this game is offensive to my former profession as a Marine infantry rifleman. People don't know how to operate as tactically as military, people jump around way too much, sniping is ruined and totally bass akwards, there are no real battle lines or solid direction of enemy approach, no real camo, no prone positions and emphasis on careful movement, neverending supplies from hives, no comms discipline, no 3D depth of field, peripheral vision or sound to better I.D. targets, no tactile feel of a rifle, only a stupid game controller to try and aim with, latency with hit and visual detection. This is why I think this game silly and quickly lost interest in trying to treat it more as I would like to. I get drunk and run around like it's a frat party. Because that is exactly all it is, a stupid, updated version of the engine it is based on GÇö Unreal Tournament. But look me up. I'd like nothing better than to runwith military ppl. Sodium Amytal channel is supposedly that. I usually don't play in squads or with others though due to when and where I play. Also, I'm too jaded. ... Wow really? Sweet lord, THIS IS A VIDEO GAME. If you want real combat reinlist and do yourself a favor. And as a fan of DUST 514, I find your lack of comprehension offensive.
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 136	Posted - 2014.03.02 18:13:00 - [125] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: Darrius, thank you for actually looking at what I was talking about. You are better understanding what your role should be. Not the lame assclown scouts you see now with nothing to do someone else can't already do. Tell me hopping out of a DS onto an obj, hacking it, and using a DUST version of the FARS to get back on board so you and the pilot can zoom to the next one shouldn't be part of this game. Or some version of a laser designator, if only to combat tank spam. Or any of the rest. Any of you who play scouts are being seriously let down, and undermined by the game. Quit buying what they're selling and demand better toys. You super dust 514 scrub how many people does it take to tellyou that this is a sci-fi you idiot your days in the military is not dust 514 . So please SHUT UP!!! Dude, what are you jelly? Go enlist, it's easy. No one should be jelious of a scrub like you. Well, it's just that it seems like all you want to talk about is my former service in the United States armed forces and not all the awesome ideas for things scouts should be doing. It's almost like you're not paying attention at all to the conversation.[/quote] No it's the fact that having a bombardment from above would be op to vehicles and would neutrulize the reason to work for orbs vehicles shouldn't be destroyed to Easley since they cost so much DERP[/quote] Did you not read the thread? I didn't mention bombardments once. Also, vehicles are cheaper than my adv suit, but that's for another thread. We've been discussing cool RL scout activities that should be in game. Well, that and one guy can't leave it alone that I was in the Army.[/quote] You said before that you taged him with the laser and he gat destroyed by a hellstorm correct? And there getting ready to Increase prices of tanks in later updates 1.8 1.9 Caldari Loyalist
Toby Flenderson research lab 317	Posted - 2014.03.02 18:16:00 - [126] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: I was a 19D Cavalry Scout in the US Army. I have seen what real scouts do on a battlefield, and the wanna-be "scouts" in New Eden are no where close. Your mission is to get in a squad and find enemies for your squad. Your squad comes and kills the enemies while you slip away to find more enemies for your squad. It's so simple, yet, pretty much all scouts in this game get it wrong. This is easy to understand because CCP also doesn't understand what a scout's role is. Scouts are not ninjas. They do not carry weapons like Nova Knives. I personally find NK scouts offensive to my former professsion. Scouts are not CQCers. If you are engaging the enemy yourself, it's because you screwed up and they saw you. Scout's main weapons should be their laser designator. Oh, that's right, CCP didn't include that mechanic, which is basically the ONE THING A SCOUT IS SUPPOSED TO DO. Why the F did you even include scouts at all?!? God you guys suck at making video games. Did you get to use cloaking devices? What does it feel like to have a rep tool latched to you? Laser rifles probably hurt more in real life than in Dust.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1194	Posted - 2014.03.02 18:25:00 - [127] - Quote and its officially devolved into a flame fest... guys come on... there was no reason for this. everyones alowed to a little ragefest at the game every once and a while, theres tons of stuff that we all wish were apart of the game. he started by simply compairing the scout suit with his old profession and ended up disapointed because of how little the two compaired to each other. thats all there is too it. his disapointment is every bit as valid as anything else on these forums, but unfortunatly for him RL scouts dont translate very well into game mechanics and so they are oftin used for other purposes that dont match up well with his personal experiance... thats pretty much all that needs to be said on the matter now.
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 136	Posted - 2014.03.02 18:28:00 - [128] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: and its officially devolved into a flame fest... guys come on... there was no reason for this. everyones alowed to a little ragefest at the game every once and a while, theres tons of stuff that we all wish were apart of the game. he started by simply compairing the scout suit with his old profession and ended up disapointed because of how little the two compaired to each other. thats all there is too it. his disapointment is every bit as valid as anything else on these forums, but unfortunatly for him RL scouts dont translate very well into game mechanics and so they are oftin used for other purposes that dont match up well with his personal experiance... thats pretty much all that needs to be said on the matter now. He called us adorable scouts who don't know there roll Caldari Loyalist
Righteous Holylight Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2014.03.02 18:28:00 - [129] - Quote I doubt anyone is going to care about your history being enlisted in the Armed Services. This is DUST 514.. I don't know abput eceryone else, but I think CCP had made the best free-to-play game that I'd got my hands on. Got so addicted thatend up getting the CE to it.DUST DEV / CCP you guys are doing a wonderful job. And like Tony Gonzales says in his book: ""Never let anyone tell you the odds."
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 216	Posted - 2014.03.02 18:55:00 - [130] - Quote Toby Flenderson wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: I was a 19D Cavalry Scout in the US Army. I have seen what real scouts do on a battlefield, and the wanna-be "scouts" in New Eden are no where close. Your mission is to get in a squad and find enemies for your squad. Your squad comes and kills the enemies while you slip away to find more enemies for your squad. It's so simple, yet, pretty much all scouts in this game get it wrong. This is easy to understand because CCP also doesn't understand what a scout's role is. Scouts are not ninjas. They do not carry weapons like Nova Knives. I personally find NK scouts offensive to my former professsion. Scouts are not CQCers. If you are engaging the enemy yourself, it's because you screwed up and they saw you. Scout's main weapons should be their laser designator. Oh, that's right, CCP didn't include that mechanic, which is basically the ONE THING A SCOUT IS SUPPOSED TO DO. Why the F did you even include scouts at all?!? God you guys suck at making video games. Did you get to use cloaking devices? What does it feel like to have a rep tool latched to you? Laser rifles probably hurt more in real life than in Dust. We didn't need cloaking devices, we knew what we were doing, plus the I raqi government would have QQd to the UN that we were OP. I also wouldn't have carried the laser rifle even if we had one. I prefer bang bang to pew pew. On a side note about lasers, have you seen the one the US Navy has on a ship? We are awesome. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.

Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 3245	Posted - 2014.03.02 19:02:00 - [131] - Quote you say the scout role is useless? I can flank I can run faster I can run farther I can hack quicker I can be electronically invisibe I can be visibly invisible (soon) and STILL get 50+ kills the problem isn't that other suits can do it better The problem is you suck with the suit and probably blindly run into enemies :) "Spilling floor cleaner only makes the floor cleaner" -Draxus Prime Closed Beta Vet Nova Knife Proficiency 5 \o/
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 218	Posted - 2014.03.02 19:02:00 - [132] - Quote Righteous Holylight wrote: I doubt anyone is going to care about your history being enlisted in the Armed Services. This is DUST 514.. I don't know abput eceryone else, but I think CCP had made the best free-to-play game that I'd got my hands on. Got so addicted thatend up getting the CE to it.DUST DEV / CCP you guys are doing a wonderful job. And like Tony Gonzales says in his book: ""Never let anyone tell you the odds." Well, good for you. Unfortunately there's only like 2500 people who play DUST and out of that about 300-400 tops who feel the way you do. I'm sure you guys buy enough AUR to fund this game, so there should be no worry about losing support from Sony after this big push they're on right now doesn't pan out after a couple quarters. By the way.......I'm pretty sure that by now no Dev steps foot near my threads, so your big anal smoochie smoochie will go unheard. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1196	Posted - 2014.03.02 19:02:00 - [133] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: He called us adorable scouts who don't know there roll he wasnt exactly stepping carefully on eggshells to convey his intended message but he diddnt exactly mean any harm by it. from his perspective there are two groups that identify with "scouts" his group RL scouts and game scouts hes simply noticed a huge descrepancy in what the two groups roles are and is expressing his desire that they be brought closer together. in essence he is expressing his dismay that the games dont allow you guys to really get to see the scout how hee sees them. and he wishes that you guys could see how awesome real scouts are. add in his army background and that explains his rather rough way of conveying his message. aka dont let his adversarial way of saying it get in the way of understanding that he really just wants to share his insight into scouts as well as his feelings of how awesome RL scouts were. hes trying to be friends
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 218	Posted - 2014.03.02 19:03:00 - [134] - Quote Draxus Prime wrote: you say the scout role is useless? I can flank I can run faster I can run farther I can hack quicker I can be electronically invisibe I can be visibly invisible (soon) and STILL get 50+ kills the problem isn't that other suits can do it better The problem is you suck with the suit and probably blindly run into enemies :) No, I don't use it at all. Running blindly into enemies is for my heavy suit. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 218	Posted - 2014.03.02 19:05:00 - [135] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: He called us adorable scouts who don't know there roll he wasnt exactly stepping carefully on eggshells to convey his intended message but he diddnt exactly mean any harm by it. from his perspective there are two groups that identify with "scouts" his group RL scouts and game scouts hes simply noticed a huge descrepancy in what the two groups roles are and is expressing his desire that they be brought closer together. in essence he is expressing his dismay that the games dont allow you guys to really get to see the scout how hee sees them. and he wishes that you guys could see how awesome real scouts are. add in his army background and that explains his rather rough way of conveying his message. aka dont let his adversarial way of saying it get in the way of understanding that he really just wants to share his insight into scouts as well as his feelings of how awesome RL scouts were. hes trying to be friends You can see into my brain! You can write my posts from now on. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2124	Posted - 2014.03.02 19:07:00 - [136] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: Draxus Prime wrote: you say the scout role is useless? I can flank I can run faster I can run farther I can hack quicker I can be electronically invisibe I can be visibly invisible (soon) and STILL get 50+ kills the problem isn't that other suits can do it better The problem is you suck with the suit and probably blindly run into enemies :) No, I don't use it at all. Running blindly into enemies is for my heavy suit. Hold on? You don't even use the scout suit? So how would you know its as bad as you believe? If you are trying to say we need more cool stuff to facilitate even more fits, roles and uses no one will disagree If you are trying to say that scout suit needs a specific a role that every scout suit should have to play, please leave, this isn't the game for you. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1196	Posted - 2014.03.02 19:07:00 - [137] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: He called us adorable scouts who don't know there roll he wasnt exactly stepping carefully on eggshells to convey his intended message but he diddnt exactly mean any harm by it. from his perspective there are two groups that identify with "scouts" his group RL scouts and game scouts hes simply noticed a huge descrepancy in what the two groups roles are and is expressing his desire that they be brought closer together. in essence he is expressing his dismay that the games dont allow you guys to really get to see the scout how hee sees them. and he wishes that you guys could see how awesome real scouts are. add in his army background and that explains his rather rough way of conveying his message. aka dont let his adversarial way of saying it get in the way of understanding that he really just wants to share his insight into scouts as well as his feelings of how awesome RL scouts were. hes trying to be friends You can see into my brain! You can write my posts from now on. i can see into most peoples brains :P in real life it creeps people out, in the world of the internet its the ultimate conflict resolution tool.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7069	Posted - 2014.03.02 19:08:00 - [138] - Quote I absolutely agree with you, but its not so much that "scouts" in this game are actually supposed to be scouts, but that the modern video game definition of a scout has turned into "super fast ninja." It's just like the "commando" isn't actually a commando. Basically a lot of video game developers have no clue how to name their classes. Mail me in game if interested in learning about the Amarr Empire and serving them in Faction Warfare. Amarr Victor!
CRYPT3C W0LF Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 400	Posted - 2014.03.02 19:16:00 - [139] - Quote Day 5, Food and water are getting scarce, no end in sight COOKIE MASTER RACE ^__^ Slayer Scout, I feast on you're proto remains (Nom Nom Nom)
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 3247	Posted - 2014.03.02 19:22:00 - [140] - Quote if your saying we play the role wrong based off its names real life version then why aren't we talent scouts looking for the next big thing or girl scouts who need to sell their cookies to the enemy Don't judge the role if you've never played it "Spilling floor cleaner only makes the floor cleaner" -Draxus Prime Closed Beta Vet Nova Knife Proficiency 5 \o/

Llast 326 An Arkhos 2143	Posted - 2014.03.02 19:24:00 - [141] - Quote The way I see roles working in Dust is as an abstract concept. You can adapt change and pick how you want to perform. Many people have trouble with this because they prefer definitive roles with concrete ideas. This is why we see so many threads asking what the purpose of X is all the time, or threads about X players are doing it wrong. It's people trying to define a role, or questioning why others don't play the role the way they see it. We have the ability to play how we want, and I see this as a huge factor in my enjoyment of this game. I would love more content that opened up more options for how we define our roles in this game. A target painter, yeah I would love that. Deployable shields for triage pickups, bring em on Active modules for EWAR Deployable turrets Webbifiers Closable doors and breaching equipment The list could go on KRRROOOOOOM
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7072	Posted - 2014.03.02 19:26:00 - [142] - Quote Draxus Prime wrote: if your saying we play the role wrong based off its names real life version then why aren't we talent scouts looking for the next big thing or girl scouts who need to sell their cookies to the enemy Don't judge the role if you've never played it No need to be so hostile. He's not necessarily saying that CCP needs to change the role to match what a real life scout does, but more so that he is displeased with the fact that CCP would call such a role a scout when it doesn't carry many attributes of a real life scout. But again, it's not just CCP, it's nearly the whole game developing community that has shifted the meaning of what a scout is in respect to their games. Valve is another culprit with TF2, that "scout" is not even remotely a scout. Doesn't means it needs to be changed, just means it's poor naming. Mail me in game if interested in learning about the Amarr Empire and serving them in Faction Warfare. Amarr Victor!
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1196	Posted - 2014.03.02 19:26:00 - [143] - Quote Draxus Prime wrote: if your saying we play the role wrong based off its names real life version then why aren't we talent scouts looking for the next big thing or girl scouts who need to sell their cookies to the enemy Don't judge the role if you've never played it please read my translation https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1891802#post1891802
Righteous Holylight Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2014.03.02 19:27:00 - [144] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: The way I see roles working in Dust is as an abstract concept. You can adapt change and pick how you want to perform. Many people have trouble with this because they prefer definitive roles with concrete ideas. This is why we see so many threads asking what the purpose of X is all the time, or threads about X players are doing it wrong. It's people trying to define a role, or questioning why others don't play the role the way they see it. We have the ability to play how we want, and I see this as a huge factor in my enjoyment of this game. I would love more content that opened up more options for how we define our roles in this game. A target painter, yeah I would love that. Deployable shields for triage pickups, bring em on Active modules for EWAR Deployable turrets Webbifiers Closable doors and breaching equipment The list could go on Good ideas!
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 137	Posted - 2014.03.02 19:29:00 - [145] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: Draxus Prime wrote: you say the scout role is useless? I can flank I can run faster I can run farther I can hack quicker I can be electronically invisibe I can be visibly invisible (soon) and STILL get 50+ kills the problem isn't that other suits can do it better The problem is you suck with the suit and probably blindly run into enemies :) No, I don't use it at all. Running blindly into enemies is for my heavy suit. I'll agree with you on that Caldari Loyalist
Llast 326 An Arkhos 2144	Posted - 2014.03.02 19:31:00 - [146] - Quote Righteous Holylight wrote: Llast 326 wrote: The way I see roles working in Dust is as an abstract concept. You can adapt change and pick how you want to perform. Many people have trouble with this because they prefer definitive roles with concrete ideas. This is why we see so many threads asking what the purpose of X is all the time, or threads about X players are doing it wrong. It's people trying to define a role, or questioning why others don't play the role the way they see it. We have the ability to play how we want, and I see this as a huge factor in my enjoyment of this game. I would love more content that opened up more options for how we define our roles in this game. A target painter, yeah I would love that. Deployable shields for triage pickups, bring em on Active modules for EWAR Deployable turrets Webbifiers Closable doors and breaching equipment The list could go on Good ideas! Most of these ideas have been bounced around these forums for some time. Some truly brilliant ideas have come out of this community (also some frighteningly unbalanced ones as well ) KRRROOOOOOM
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 137	Posted - 2014.03.02 19:33:00 - [147] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: He called us adorable scouts who don't know there roll he wasnt exactly stepping carefully on eggshells to convey his intended message but he diddnt exactly mean any harm by it. from his perspective there are two groups that identify with "scouts" his group RL scouts and game scouts hes simply noticed a huge descrepancy in what the two groups roles are and is expressing his desire that they be brought closer together. in essence he is expressing his dismay that the games dont allow you guys to really get to see the scout how hee sees them. and he wishes that you guys could see how awesome real scouts are. add in his army background and that explains his rather rough way of conveying his message. aka dont let his adversarial way of saying it get in the way of understanding that he really just wants to share his insight into scouts as well as his feelings of how awesome RL scouts were. hes trying to be friends You can see into my brain! You can write my posts from now on. i can see into most peoples brains :P in real life it creeps people out, in the world of the internet its the ultimate conflict resolution tool. me on the internet: solves more problems then it causes me in real life: causes more problems then it solves.... by alot. people in real life dont like it when you can see their every motivation and intention, it puts people in a defencive stance immediatly even if they arnt conciously aware of your ability to read them a piece of them can still tell in most cases. How? Caldari Loyalist
Righteous Holylight Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2014.03.02 19:34:00 - [148] - Quote Oh my. :0
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 3247	Posted - 2014.03.02 19:35:00 - [149] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Draxus Prime wrote: if your saying we play the role wrong based off its names real life version then why aren't we talent scouts looking for the next big thing or girl scouts who need to sell their cookies to the enemy Don't judge the role if you've never played it No need to be so hostile. He's not necessarily saying that CCP needs to change the role to match what a real life scout does, but more so that he is displeased with the fact that CCP would call such a role a scout when it doesn't carry many attributes of a real life scout. But again, it's not just CCP, it's nearly the whole game developing community that has shifted the meaning of what a scout is in respect to their games. Valve is another culprit with TF2, that "scout" is not even remotely a scout. Doesn't means it needs to be changed, just means it's poor naming. If I appeared hostile then I'm sorry I'm only saying that he should try the role before he's to quick to judge No harm intended "Spilling floor cleaner only makes the floor cleaner" -Draxus Prime Closed Beta Vet Nova Knife Proficiency 5 \o/
Righteous Holylight Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2014.03.02 19:38:00 - [150] - Quote Draxus Prime wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Draxus Prime wrote: if your saying we play the role wrong based off its names real life version then why aren't we talent scouts looking for the next big thing or girl scouts who need to sell their cookies to the enemy Don't judge the role if you've never played it No need to be so hostile. He's not necessarily saying that CCP needs to change the role to match what a real life scout does, but more so that he is displeased with the fact that CCP would call such a role a scout when it doesn't carry many attributes of a real life scout. But again, it's not just CCP, it's nearly the whole game developing community that has shifted the meaning of what a scout is in respect to their games. Valve is another culprit with TF2, that "scout" is not even remotely a scout. Doesn't means it needs to be changed, just means it's poor naming. If I appeared hostile then I'm sorry I'm only saying that he should try the role before he's to quick to judge No harm intended I'm on the same boat.

APOPHIS Xxx The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 24	Posted - 2014.03.02 19:43:00 - [151] - Quote LOL! So, you were in the U.S. Army! Big Whooped Dee Fluxing Doo! Well, this is not the U.S. Army! This is a damn video game! Get it through your head grunt! You want to go play, "Army" take your ass back to the Army! What the FLUX is up with these crybabies now a days? "You can't do that....You can't do this....You should do that".....SHUT THE FLUX UP ALREADY!! Win or lose....I bring out the best in you!
Skihids Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2975	Posted - 2014.03.02 19:46:00 - [152] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: I was a 19D Cavalry Scout in the US Army. I have seen what real scouts do on a battlefield, and the wanna-be "scouts" in New Eden are no where close. Your mission is to get in a squad and find enemies for your squad. Your squad comes and kills the enemies while you slip away to find more enemies for your squad. It's so simple, yet, pretty much all scouts in this game get it wrong. This is easy to understand because CCP also doesn't understand what a scout's role is. Scouts are not ninjas. They do not carry weapons like Nova Knives. I personally find NK scouts offensive to my former professsion. Scouts are not CQCers. If you are engaging the enemy yourself, it's because you screwed up and they saw you. Scout's main weapons should be their laser designator. Oh, that's right, CCP didn't include that mechanic, which is basically the ONE THING A SCOUT IS SUPPOSED TO DO. Why the F did you even include scouts at all?!? God you guys suck at making video games. And while we are at it GÇö Everything in this game is offensive to my former profession as a Marine infantry rifleman. People don't know how to operate as tactically as military, people jump around way too much, sniping is ruined and totally bass akwards, there are no real battle lines or solid direction of enemy approach, no real camo, no prone positions and emphasis on careful movement, neverending supplies from hives, no comms discipline, no 3D depth of field, peripheral vision or sound to better I.D. targets, no tactile feel of a rifle, only a stupid game controller to try and aim with, latency with hit and visual detection. This is why I think this game silly and quickly lost interest in trying to treat it more as I would like to. I get drunk and run around like it's a frat party. Because that is exactly all it is, a stupid, updated version of the engine it is based on GÇö Unreal Tournament. But look me up. I'd like nothing better than to runwith military ppl. Sodium Amytal channel is supposedly that. I usually don't play in squads or with others though due to when and where I play. Also, I'm too jaded. DUST mirrors an organized military as much as child's soccer mirrors the pros. The kids mob chase the ball, there is no coordination, and there is no positional play. In this game everyone wants to handle the ball and precious few want to coordinate at all. There are many reasons, from the basic player temperament to the lack of incentive and enabling game mechanics.
Righteous Holylight Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2014.03.02 19:46:00 - [153] - Quote APOPHIS Xxx wrote: LOL! So, you were in the U.S. Army! Big Whooped Dee Fluxing Doo! Well, this is not the U.S. Army! This is a damn video game! Get it through your head grunt! You want to go play, "Army" take your ass back to the Army! What the FLUX is up with these crybabies now a days? "You can't do that....You can't do this....You should do that".....SHUT THE FLUX UP ALREADY!! ROFL! Omg haha.
icdedppul PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 76	Posted - 2014.03.02 19:48:00 - [154] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Draxus Prime wrote: if your saying we play the role wrong based off its names real life version then why aren't we talent scouts looking for the next big thing or girl scouts who need to sell their cookies to the enemy Don't judge the role if you've never played it No need to be so hostile. He's not necessarily saying that CCP needs to change the role to match what a real life scout does, but more so that he is displeased with the fact that CCP would call such a role a scout when it doesn't carry many attributes of a real life scout. But again, it's not just CCP, it's nearly the whole game developing community that has shifted the meaning of what a scout is in respect to their games. Valve is another culprit with TF2, that "scout" is not even remotely a scout. Doesn't means it needs to be changed, just means it's poor naming. I think the issue is that the OP has a predetermined definition of what a scout is to him and doesnt think beyond that definition to what scout means to other people I for one enjoy escorting people across streets, tying knots and sitting around campfires besides calling it a "high mobile, low profile, lightly protected frame" is a bit of a mouthful next he will be complaining that Assaults are hiding behind cover instead of assaulting things, logis should be behind a desk shifting paperwork sentinels should not have base speed and if they want to move they need a logi to fill out forms to get a pilot in a LAV(fork lift) to go anywhere original OP is completely biased and if he wants a "real life" scout then he should play one him self and sit off in the hills with his laser pointer and see how much fun he gets out of the game.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1197	Posted - 2014.03.02 19:48:00 - [155] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: He called us adorable scouts who don't know there roll he wasnt exactly stepping carefully on eggshells to convey his intended message but he diddnt exactly mean any harm by it. from his perspective there are two groups that identify with "scouts" his group RL scouts and game scouts hes simply noticed a huge descrepancy in what the two groups roles are and is expressing his desire that they be brought closer together. in essence he is expressing his dismay that the games dont allow you guys to really get to see the scout how hee sees them. and he wishes that you guys could see how awesome real scouts are. add in his army background and that explains his rather rough way of conveying his message. aka dont let his adversarial way of saying it get in the way of understanding that he really just wants to share his insight into scouts as well as his feelings of how awesome RL scouts were. hes trying to be friends You can see into my brain! You can write my posts from now on. i can see into most peoples brains :P in real life it creeps people out, in the world of the internet its the ultimate conflict resolution tool. me on the internet: solves more problems then it causes me in real life: causes more problems then it solves.... by alot. people in real life dont like it when you can see their every motivation and intention, it puts people in a defencive stance immediatly even if they arnt conciously aware of your ability to read them a piece of them can still tell in most cases. How? how can i read them so well? or how can they unconsiously tell that i am? for me its just second nature so its difficult to explain. and people can tell because your responces to things wont match their internal expectations, and if you consistantly respond in ways that are unfamiliar or dont match their percieved notion of how people would normally respond it generally makes them uncomfortable after a while and if they arnt conciously aware of why im responding that way it will generally creep them the hell out. its kinda like if you met a stranger and they constantly answered questions you hadnt said yet it would obviously freak you out a little but obviously not that exaduated. i dont listen to what people say, i listen to what people mean and ignore the manner in wich they say it. like when you were a kid if you mom asked you if you did one of your chores yet. you and your mom obviously both know that you havnt yet and you what what shes really saying is that she wants you to go take out the trash. "have you done such and such yet" translates to "please go do it"
Righteous Holylight Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2014.03.02 19:50:00 - [156] - Quote Hey, look guys, I will admit it. I'm a butt-hurt DUST fanatic. So yeah, boom. I just dont understand why someone would compare real life to a video game. .. (an awesome one) e . O
Derpty Derp It's All Gone Derp 63	Posted - 2014.03.02 19:54:00 - [157] - Quote The laser tagging sounds like a great idea, having someone point out a target that is stopping the team moving forward so I can come and blow it to hell with my dropship would be great... But unfortunately only the squad leader has that ability and they're usually busy marking to defend a squadmate so everyone gets more points for shooting random infantry.
Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 4186	Posted - 2014.03.02 19:56:00 - [158] - Quote And while you're being useless and unnecessary, I'm putting down uplinks in strategic locations, hacking unguarded objectives, and destroying enemy uplinks. I kill people either when I need them out of the way, or when I have nothing better to do. Only attacking people who see me would get me killed far too often. May as well use the element of surprise while I can. I am your scan error.
Righteous Holylight Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2014.03.02 19:57:00 - [159] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: The laser tagging sounds like a great idea, having someone point out a target that is stopping the team moving forward so I can come and blow it to hell with my dropship would be great... But unfortunately only the squad leader has that ability and they're usually busy marking to defend a squadmate so everyone gets more points for shooting random infantry. Tis is true.
DEZKA DIABLO 0uter.Heaven 331	Posted - 2014.03.02 20:44:00 - [160] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: I was a 19D Cavalry Scout in the US Army. I have seen what real scouts do on a battlefield, and the wanna-be "scouts" in New Eden are no where close. Your mission is to get in a squad and find enemies for your squad. Your squad comes and kills the enemies while you slip away to find more enemies for your squad. It's so simple, yet, pretty much all scouts in this game get it wrong. This is easy to understand because CCP also doesn't understand what a scout's role is. Scouts are not ninjas. They do not carry weapons like Nova Knives. I personally find NK scouts offensive to my former professsion. Scouts are not CQCers. If you are engaging the enemy yourself, it's because you screwed up and they saw you. Scout's main weapons should be their laser designator. Oh, that's right, CCP didn't include that mechanic, which is basically the ONE THING A SCOUT IS SUPPOSED TO DO. Why the F did you even include scouts at all?!? God you guys suck at making video games. Well no offence but it's a fps game! Ambush, well there's your scan am I supposed to kik back make a drink an watch my team kill everyone? Domination, same thing, k ran in dropped links, hacked everything you need hacked, guess I should just scan for 10 minutes Skirmish, k I hacked, scanned , placed links , rinse an repeat for 20 min. All fairness : Light/ assault Medium/ assault Heavy/assault Fps game Dead trigger master , an ya I do that ISH ON PURPOSE!

Admonishment The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 122	Posted - 2014.03.02 22:18:00 - [161] - Quote This is coming from someone whom also was former military, if this game was based on realism of military operations and procedures it would plummet lol. For one, nobody fires their gun from the hip if they are properly trained, it is added because it makes the game more exciting. Head-shots would actually kill in one hit but that's not always the case in this game. If you shot someone in the leg they wouldn't be able to spin like a ballerina and mow you down while 2 stepping and twitching like a crack addict with pin point accuracy. Even games that say they are realistic are not fully realistic as most gamers don't want to simulate real life. They want to get away from it. No gamer would want to play the role of the person that simply watches everyone else have fun while they twiddle their thumbs until they snap off and fall into their Dorito bag. Anyone can pick up a scanner or simply look on the map to call out vehicle positions since they kinda have this bright light on the front of their vehicles....kinda gives them away. Why stop there? Lets make it so everyone has to play constantly for 14-18 hours straight like its work but no breaks in between and that's being generous.. Just like the military in combat operations. I am sure that will really make the game more fun. Lets even make it so one person is designated from each squad to have to give a briefing to their superiors after every battle that has to be fully detailed of every event that occurred lol. Just thinking about that makes me want to play even more (sarcasm). Level 5 proficiency in throat punching
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 3367	Posted - 2014.03.02 22:19:00 - [162] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: I was a 19D Cavalry Scout in the US Army. I have seen what real scouts do on a battlefield, and the wanna-be "scouts" in New Eden are no where close. Your mission is to get in a squad and find enemies for your squad. Your squad comes and kills the enemies while you slip away to find more enemies for your squad. It's so simple, yet, pretty much all scouts in this game get it wrong. This is easy to understand because CCP also doesn't understand what a scout's role is. Scouts are not ninjas. They do not carry weapons like Nova Knives. I personally find NK scouts offensive to my former professsion. Scouts are not CQCers. If you are engaging the enemy yourself, it's because you screwed up and they saw you. Scout's main weapons should be their laser designator. Oh, that's right, CCP didn't include that mechanic, which is basically the ONE THING A SCOUT IS SUPPOSED TO DO. Why the F did you even include scouts at all?!? God you guys suck at making video games. Fun > Realism Mobious Kaethis Bojo - Adding chili powder to your experience since early times
Sgt Buttscratch KILL-EM-QUICK 1899	Posted - 2014.03.02 22:23:00 - [163] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: None of you get it. I'm not hung up on RL vs game. I'm hung up on 'makes any sense at all' vs game. And also 'scout class as-is is gay' vs game. And also 'what a let down' vs game And also 'run outta ** to do because this is just the Chinese Yamaha Rhino Clone of BF3 and was really hoping the scout class wasn't really as assclownish as it looked' vs game If any of you only knew, you'd be like "Why the isn't this in the game?" Go look up Bradleys, Mk19s, STROPE rigging, the FARS, laser designating targets, and HALO jumping, then come back and tell me if I'm wrong to be pissed how this whole class was done. Go look up "shut up and eat my shotgun mother ****" I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 220	Posted - 2014.03.02 22:27:00 - [164] - Quote You don't understand what painting targets means. You aim the gun for someone else to shoot. At tanks. Tanks are like ants at a picnic. You are the ultimate AV weapon. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 3367	Posted - 2014.03.02 22:30:00 - [165] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: You don't understand what painting targets means. You aim the gun for someone else to shoot. At tanks. Tanks are like ants at a picnic. You are the ultimate AV weapon. LOL shared LOS was removed a long time ago. You need an active scanner. Plus a dropship does the job of scanning very well because they're so mobile. Bojo - Adding chili powder to your experience since early times
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC Intara Direct Action Caldari State 429	Posted - 2014.03.02 22:36:00 - [166] - Quote COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: Haha did you just try and compare real world military practices with a video game set 20,000 years in the future in a sci-fi universe? No, I'm pointing out a mechanic we were promised and will never see, without which an entire class has no purpose. Scouts can't do anything that another class can't already do. I'm trying to see if anybody can tell me what the advantage to being a DUST scout is, if there is one. Not an Easy Button, but something they can do that would com[pletely change my game experience and warrant specifically going 'scout' with an alt. I want to see something different than what I'm seeing with the light, medium ,heavy, and commando alts I'm using now. Grinding has become boring. I need something interesting to do. Well, let's see...they will be/have: Fastest infantry unit Invisible electronically Almost invisible visually 2 equipment slots Light weapon & side arm slots CCP Remnant: Quote: To me, the Scout role has always been about creating a disruptive force on the battlefield. HeGÇÖs the guy that can cover enough ground quickly enough to get drop uplinks into the right places (that is, if everyone didnGÇÖt carry one, but more on that later), hack objectives back, disperse squad members (nothing makes people scatter faster than a KC-amped shotgunner) and generally make a nuisance of himself. http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/12/interview-with-ccp-remnant/ Scouts are already doing this, 1.8 will allow them to do it much more efficiently. What other suit, bar logi, has 2 equipment slots? Which can avoid adv scanners with no modules? Which can fit cloaks and still be functional? I used to think that logis where the most diverse/fun/interesting role able to facilitate victory on the battlefield without having to be a pew pew man like the rest...scouts are about to take that crown in my mind. Agreed, scouts will be FOTM, guaranteed.....
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 220	Posted - 2014.03.02 22:39:00 - [167] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: You don't understand what painting targets means. You aim the gun for someone else to shoot. At tanks. Tanks are like ants at a picnic. You are the ultimate AV weapon. LOL shared LOS was removed a long time ago. You need an active scanner. Plus a dropship does the job of scanning very well because they're so mobile. I'm not talking about scanners. At all. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
Sollemnis Aelinos 89th IMMORTAL ORDER 129	Posted - 2014.03.02 23:09:00 - [168] - Quote INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: I was a 19D Cavalry Scout in the US Army. I have seen what real scouts do on a battlefield, and the wanna-be "scouts" in New Eden are no where close. Your mission is to get in a squad and find enemies for your squad. Your squad comes and kills the enemies while you slip away to find more enemies for your squad. It's so simple, yet, pretty much all scouts in this game get it wrong. This is easy to understand because CCP also doesn't understand what a scout's role is. Scouts are not ninjas. They do not carry weapons like Nova Knives. I personally find NK scouts offensive to my former professsion. Scouts are not CQCers. If you are engaging the enemy yourself, it's because you screwed up and they saw you. Scout's main weapons should be their laser designator. Oh, that's right, CCP didn't include that mechanic, which is basically the ONE THING A SCOUT IS SUPPOSED TO DO. Why the F did you even include scouts at all?!? God you guys suck at making video games. You do realize that the classes and roles are not defined by your interpretation of what the United States Army uses scouts for? They are defined by the people who make this game, and its based on space man technology, far in the future, where scouts have knives, and do what the **** we want..... Why do people always feel the need to put their b u l l s h I t on how we are supposed to utilize our suits, why the he ll does it matter what I do with my suit? When the day comes that the insufferable amount of bitching from this player base leads to hard roles being defined by ccp to the point that we cant create the custom fits that are really at the heart of why this game is still bad ass, on that day dust will die..... Our ability to have the freedom to make suit choices both good and bad are 1of the top 3 reasons I play dust.... The game makers can define the suit role, but how you implement that role and to what end is our choice. No one here should be telling others how to use a suit or gun, thats why logis are being nerfed, and yet we will always slay because when you spawn in your gun is in your hand, not, your rep tool.... Heavies will continue to use rr, because they can, and scouts will continue to cut your efing head off because its fun and cool and difficult.... Dont define my roll, know your own, slow it down, and get good with it. me thinks he is just saying this because hes afraid of 1.8 Think about the reason you are born look inwars to learn the truth You'er born to develop your soul
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1807	Posted - 2014.03.02 23:09:00 - [169] - Quote LOL You obviously don't understand scouts at all if you think that's what they do. Scouts do in fact sneak around and spot out enemies, while being hidden themselves. Also, scouts are meant to set traps and disable or turn defenses and installations against the enemy team via EWAR (we have the hacking and scanning side of EWAR so far, we just need the rest of it). Part of that is a target painter, and is used by the Winmatar. Also, scouts are not really combat oriented. if you are good enough, you can use it for combat, and you can do that very well (But if you're that good with a scout, you can probably do better in a medium or heavy frame). Make one mistake however, and you'll probably die (unless you get lucky, or the person can't aim). Lastly, just you did scout work in the army, doesn't mean you know how scouts work in every game, especially one that exists with tons of lore and such already behind it. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 329	Posted - 2014.03.02 23:17:00 - [170] - Quote Wait wut! I thought we did have laser pointers. They're called laser rifles. They can't kill much, but they show the enemy. The biggest threat to my scout is everything. There is no them, only us. [Q] <-- Drink Moar Quafe

Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 3368	Posted - 2014.03.02 23:18:00 - [171] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: I'm not talking about scanners. At all. Alternate Insano wrote: mission is to get in a squad and find enemies for your squad Alternate Insano wrote: I'm not talking about scanners. At all. Alternate Insano wrote: I'm not talking about scanners. At all. Alternate Insano wrote: mission is to get in a squad and >>>find enemies for your squad<<< Bojo - Adding chili powder to your experience since early times
Faunher Ivory Vanguard 149	Posted - 2014.03.02 23:28:00 - [172] - Quote No suit is meant to do any specific task in Dust. Scout suits happen to be more speed and stealth oriented, but they have a lower damage threshold. This allows them to do a multitude of different tasks effectively. That is the beauty of this game, you can do whatever the **** you want. People say you cannot use scouts in an assault role? Throw some armor plates or shield extenders on and shoot them. People say you cannot be a combat medic? Throw an injector on there and go be a hero. The moment you start viewing suits as 'roles' in this game is the moment you begin to limit your fun. The only thing limiting you to roles is yourself.
STEALTH HUNTER ZERO D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 89	Posted - 2014.03.02 23:38:00 - [173] - Quote I'm rather amazed/amused as to why this waste of a thread is still going. OP obviously doesn't have a clue about what scouts are good at.
SUPERTOASTER 789 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 18	Posted - 2014.03.02 23:49:00 - [174] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: I was a 19D Cavalry Scout in the US Army. I have seen what real scouts do on a battlefield, and the wanna-be "scouts" in New Eden are no where close. Your mission is to get in a squad and find enemies for your squad. Your squad comes and kills the enemies while you slip away to find more enemies for your squad. It's so simple, yet, pretty much all scouts in this game get it wrong. This is easy to understand because CCP also doesn't understand what a scout's role is. Scouts are not ninjas. They do not carry weapons like Nova Knives. I personally find NK scouts offensive to my former professsion. Scouts are not CQCers. If you are engaging the enemy yourself, it's because you screwed up and they saw you. Scout's main weapons should be their laser designator. Oh, that's right, CCP didn't include that mechanic, which is basically the ONE THING A SCOUT IS SUPPOSED TO DO. Why the F did you even include scouts at all?!? God you guys suck at making video games. mmmm its a video game if you don't like it get out we really don't want you here. no one really cares about you old army days. sorry to say but its the truth. maybe your family but i mean really it a video game if i wanted realism i would have joined the army. video games are met for rest and having a drink with your friends. TOAST for all
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 872	Posted - 2014.03.02 23:51:00 - [175] - Quote This guy has now trolled you all for 10 pages.... He is claiming knowledge on how everything works, yet he is here for 5 weeks So as the OP has stated, continuing to post makes you an idiot I sacrificed myself being dumb enough to reply here, you don't have to Plasma Cannon performs its suppresion/area denial role perfectly Pity dust players only perform one role - slaying
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 788	Posted - 2014.03.03 00:00:00 - [176] - Quote yeah because modern warfare is how wars have and will always will be fought Seriously OP I think you want one of the Arma games. I'm not a vet but I think the US is missing power armored chain gun weilding soldiers too Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Kira Takizawa 2Shitz 1Giggle United Brotherhood Alliance 155	Posted - 2014.03.03 00:08:00 - [177] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: I was a 19D Cavalry Scout in the US Army. I have seen what real scouts do on a battlefield, and the wanna-be "scouts" in New Eden are no where close. Your mission is to get in a squad and find enemies for your squad. Your squad comes and kills the enemies while you slip away to find more enemies for your squad. It's so simple, yet, pretty much all scouts in this game get it wrong. This is easy to understand because CCP also doesn't understand what a scout's role is. Scouts are not ninjas. They do not carry weapons like Nova Knives. I personally find NK scouts offensive to my former professsion. Scouts are not CQCers. If you are engaging the enemy yourself, it's because you screwed up and they saw you. Scout's main weapons should be their laser designator. Oh, that's right, CCP didn't include that mechanic, which is basically the ONE THING A SCOUT IS SUPPOSED TO DO. Why the F did you even include scouts at all?!? God you guys suck at making video games. Sorry buddy, your hopes of re-living the old military days through Dust514 are done This is a sci-fi computer game, don't expect it to match up to your time in Military .... Dust is not real-life..... This x1000 >_>
Master Nihilus Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.03.03 00:17:00 - [178] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: I was a 19D Cavalry Scout in the US Army. I have seen what real scouts do on a battlefield, and the wanna-be "scouts" in New Eden are no where close. Your mission is to get in a squad and find enemies for your squad. Your squad comes and kills the enemies while you slip away to find more enemies for your squad. It's so simple, yet, pretty much all scouts in this game get it wrong. This is easy to understand because CCP also doesn't understand what a scout's role is. Scouts are not ninjas. They do not carry weapons like Nova Knives. I personally find NK scouts offensive to my former professsion. Scouts are not CQCers. If you are engaging the enemy yourself, it's because you screwed up and they saw you. Scout's main weapons should be their laser designator. Oh, that's right, CCP didn't include that mechanic, which is basically the ONE THING A SCOUT IS SUPPOSED TO DO. Why the F did you even include scouts at all?!? God you guys suck at making video games. Sorry buddy, your hopes of re-living the old military days through Dust514 are done This is a sci-fi computer game, don't expect it to match up to your time in Military .... Dust is not real-life..... Agreed. Dust 514 is set in a futuristic time where things are definitely not the same as they are here now or on Earth. Furthermore, it's up to the game designers to define what the role of a dropsuit is supposed to be, because it is their vision of how the game is supposed to be.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2130	Posted - 2014.03.03 00:20:00 - [179] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: This guy has now trolled you all for 10 pages.... He is claiming knowledge on how everything works, yet he is here for 5 weeks So as the OP has stated, continuing to post makes you an idiot I sacrificed myself being dumb enough to reply here, you don't have to Edit: Do what I did, hit unsubscribe and pray people aren't dumb enough to let this hit pg.10 Why this nitwit has been a very good barometer for the dust community, although CCP may not get any actually ideas it shows exactly what the general community expects from this game. This is not an RPG with one guy as a ganker, one guy as a healer, one guy as a status setter/buffer this a game where you can make any suit do what you want within reason, where each suit has its own positives and drawbacks compared to each other, where these suits can all do different roles in theirmown unique way. Its shown the communities real spirit in the game, the fact it took some fool who doesn't like what people can do with a suit to show us it, is the real problem. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Admonishment The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 125	Posted - 2014.03.03 00:27:00 - [180] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: This guy has now trolled you all for 10 pages.... He is claiming knowledge on how everything works, yet he is here for 5 weeks So as the OP has stated, continuing to post makes you an idiot I sacrificed myself being dumb enough to reply here, you don't have to Edit: Do what I did, hit unsubscribe and pray people aren't dumb enough to let this hit pg.10 I noticed his signature within the first 5 seconds lol, but there are people that truly think like that. Level 5 proficiency in throat punching

JP Acuna Pendejitos Canis Eliminatus Operatives 83	Posted - 2014.03.03 00:32:00 - [181] - Quote I would see this post as a suggestion. I like the idea of the laser point as a complement for the active scanner, which would have to be changed from what it is now. You should be able to mark an enemy for your team as long as you see them first. Scouts would be vital recon. Besides that, the active scanner could scan through walls and stuff but only give a still radar image of enemy positions... not mark them and follow as they move, unlike the laser point.
JP Acuna Pendejitos Canis Eliminatus Operatives 83	Posted - 2014.03.03 00:34:00 - [182] - Quote Admonishment wrote: TheD1CK wrote: This guy has now trolled you all for 10 pages.... He is claiming knowledge on how everything works, yet he is here for 5 weeks So as the OP has stated, continuing to post makes you an idiot I sacrificed myself being dumb enough to reply here, you don't have to Edit: Do what I did, hit unsubscribe and pray people aren't dumb enough to let this hit pg.10 I noticed his signature within the first 5 seconds lol, but there are people that truly think like that. Damn, i just made page 10 happen. Don't judge me.
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 768	Posted - 2014.03.03 00:37:00 - [183] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: Hagintora wrote: If you think you've identified a problem (lack of role for Scouts), what would your solution be? Besides never getting into combat? This is an FPS game, and as someone else pointed out, never getting to do anything besides look at bad guys gets boring. So what would you propose as a possible solution/role for Scouts to play, that lives up to the name "Scout", and is still fun to play? These were my major jobs as a Cav scout: Ride around in a Bradley IFV. I was too tall to drive, fit in the turret, or load the TOW tubes, so I did dismount. I carried a USAS or M249 SAW, wore heavy body armor, and would surpress an area so that the infantry unit on board could dismount the vehicle. Switched from that to roof gunner on a Hummer. Used a Mk19. Basically a belt fed, full automatic mass driver accurate up to a mile if somebody was on the other end laseing the target. Lase targets for gunships, tanks, LAVs, and missle batteries. This was dangerous. You had to sneak way into enemy lines, not get seen, and designate targets. Always a chance of getting blown up by the strike you called in. Decoy Duty. Get behind enemy ines, cause enough of a distraction to get the enemy's attention, hold the aggro until the infantry can get there and save you. Certain scout units would go in with major ground forces, then break away and recover intel. This is kind of like hacking CRUs and such I suppose. I jumped out of every aircraft the US military uses for that purpose, and a couple that they don't. Scouts should be on a dropship every chance they get. Hitch a ride to the other end of the map, air drop in, get to work. Scouts should be proficient with all the longer range weapons. The best way to avoid a noisy fight is to shoot the guy from like 800m with a silenced weapon. Game mechanics don't support this however. Scouts should be masters of explosives, both to eliminate enemy assets and to cause the big distractions for decoy duty. However, mechanics are not included that would give any WP for doing this role. Just like how good PlC users get screwed for no WP for clearing an obj after firing 1 shot and all the bad guys run away. Aside from occasionally STROPE rigging or using the FARS being a scout was a crappy job, and pretty much a stepping stone toward Rangers for anyone planning to stay in long. I've pretty much observed this thread as it developed and originally intended to say nothing, however, I'll break my normal rule on directly poking people on the forum for this one. To the OP - as many have said this isn't real life and I strongly caution you on trying to draw parallels with RL experiences to ANY video game. You make some good points about enriching the scout role in the game but it's lost in some of your outlandish statements. To the significant point: I absolutely do not believe that you, Alternate Insano, have near the military experience that you imply based on your comments. The only thing remotely accurate about anything you said was the 19D Cavalry Scouts can operate from Bradley Fighting Vehicles and gun trucks, period. Based on your comments you are clearly attempting to portray yourself as something you are not and I take a certain amount of offense to that you are providing a fairly negative interaction to a bunch of folks on the forum and using your supposed military experience as license to do so. To be clear, you probably served briefly and know just enough to attempt to fool people into thinking you actually have the experiences you claim. Be careful with your outright lies...you might have some folks on the forum that will call you on it. If I see you in game...I'll deal with you and your Corp directly. If you want to Thunderdome with me, I'm available. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero


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