No, I'm pointing out a mechanic we were promised and will never see, without which an entire class has no purpose. Scouts can't do anything that another class can't already do.

I'm trying to see if anybody can tell me what the advantage to being a DUST scout is, if there is one. Not an Easy Button, but something they can do that would com[pletely change my game experience and warrant specifically going 'scout' with an alt.

I want to see something different than what I'm seeing with the light, medium ,heavy, and commando alts I'm using now. Grinding has become boring. I need something interesting to do.

To me, the Scout role has always been about creating a disruptive force on the battlefield. HeGÇÖs the guy that can cover enough ground quickly enough to get drop uplinks into the right places (that is, if everyone didnGÇÖt carry one, but more on that later), hack objectives back, disperse squad members (nothing makes people scatter faster than a KC-amped shotgunner) and generally make a nuisance of himself.

I was a 19D Cavalry Scout in the US Army. I have seen what real scouts do on a battlefield, and the wanna-be "scouts" in New Eden are no where close.

Your mission is to get in a squad and find enemies for your squad. Your squad comes and kills the enemies while you slip away to find more enemies for your squad.

It's so simple, yet, pretty much all scouts in this game get it wrong. This is easy to understand because CCP also doesn't understand what a scout's role is.

Scouts are not ninjas. They do not carry weapons like Nova Knives. I personally find NK scouts offensive to my former professsion.

Scouts are not CQCers. If you are engaging the enemy yourself, it's because you screwed up and they saw you.

Scout's main weapons should be their laser designator. Oh, that's right, CCP didn't include that mechanic, which is basically the ONE THING A SCOUT IS SUPPOSED TO DO. Why the F did you even include scouts at all?!?

God you guys suck at making video games.

You do realize that the classes and roles are not defined by your interpretation of what the United States Army uses scouts for? They are defined by the people who make this game, and its based on space man technology, far in the future, where scouts have knives, and do what the **** we want.....

Why do people always feel the need to put their b u l l s h I t on how we are supposed to utilize our suits, why the he ll does it matter what I do with my suit?

When the day comes that the insufferable amount of bitching from this player base leads to hard roles being defined by ccp to the point that we cant create the custom fits that are really at the heart of why this game is still bad ass, on that day dust will die..... Our ability to have the freedom to make suit choices both good and bad are 1of the top 3 reasons I play dust.... The game makers can define the suit role, but how you implement that role and to what end is our choice. No one here should be telling others how to use a suit or gun, thats why logis are being nerfed, and yet we will always slay because when you spawn in your gun is in your hand, not, your rep tool....

Heavies will continue to use rr, because they can, and scouts will continue to cut your efing head off because its fun and cool and difficult.... Dont define my roll, know your own, slow it down, and get good with it.

CCP is already forcing us into specific roles with bs racial bonuses.

But if you like running around thinking you're really being a "scout" doing whatever it is you're doing that everybody else can do, whatevs man.

CCP is already forcing us into specific roles with bs racial bonuses. But if you like running around thinking you're really being a "scout" doing whatever it is you're doing that everybody else can do, whatevs man.

I was a 19D Cavalry Scout in the US Army. I have seen what real scouts do on a battlefield, and the wanna-be "scouts" in New Eden are no where close.

Your mission is to get in a squad and find enemies for your squad. Your squad comes and kills the enemies while you slip away to find more enemies for your squad.

It's so simple, yet, pretty much all scouts in this game get it wrong. This is easy to understand because CCP also doesn't understand what a scout's role is.

Scouts are not ninjas. They do not carry weapons like Nova Knives. I personally find NK scouts offensive to my former professsion.

Scouts are not CQCers. If you are engaging the enemy yourself, it's because you screwed up and they saw you.

Scout's main weapons should be their laser designator. Oh, that's right, CCP didn't include that mechanic, which is basically the ONE THING A SCOUT IS SUPPOSED TO DO. Why the F did you even include scouts at all?!?

God you guys suck at making video games.

again your thinking wrong...

they arnt being scouts, they are acting as other things in "scout" suits....

just because its a "scout" suit doesnt mean its a scout man.



"scout" suits in this game are used for targetted assasination of high priority targets, disruption, uplink hunting, uplink placing, and being able to operate in the oponents areas of control without being instantly noticed.

no other suit can acomplish those goals as well.

they dont think they are army scouts, they are in "scout" suits doing roles that only "scout" suits can do. its a game and these are game mechanics, everything operates within certain parameters that simply dont exsist in real life.

I can't wait for my min scout to:

do 1000 damage in an instant (mmm charged proto NK swipe!...hope my math is right!)
hack 60% quicker (25% role bonus, 10% min scout bonus, 25% hack skill)
avoid adv scanners without mods (35 scan profile)
cloak without gimping whole fitting (75% reduced PG CPU cost)
have TWO equipment slots - this is huge
AND have light and side arm

Go on about how the scout can't uniquely excel at its role compared to other suits. Post a video of you doing all of the above in another suit and I'll give you 50,000,000 ISK.

Ooh you adorable idiot Here's a fun fact! While they can and do take influence from real life, video games are not real life What, next are you going to try to compare heavies with HMGs and massive armor plates with shielding etc., to............................., or transfer of memories from one clone to another is similar in RL to.....................yeh, you're going to have a slight problem there. Actually, you'll have a problem with most elements of Dust if you try to compare them like that.

Lol, I've the utmost respect for most present/past military personal, but your post is idiotic to the extreme, when you compare what those that have served in RL have done with a game.

What I find more funny is that you think a suit class name denotes a players roles in a game that promotes flexibility. A fast suit that is usually invisible to all other classes unless they're in the FOV, is perfectly suited to the use of shotguns, NKs , remotes, etc., that involves getting in close for a ninja like ambush, and then disappearing again.


Edit - What I posted has already been said here, but a little repetition shouldn't hurt here

good news, the data shows that all scouts have a 5% hacking bonus built in, with the minmatar scout having an extra 10% built into the suit in addition tot he other skills :P

I can't wait for my min scout to:

do 1000 damage in an instant (mmm charged proto NK swipe!...hope my math is right!)
hack 60% quicker (25% role bonus, 10% min scout bonus, 25% hack skill)
avoid adv scanners without mods (35 scan profile)
cloak without gimping whole fitting (75% reduced PG CPU cost)
have TWO equipment slots - this is huge
AND have light and side arm

Go on about how the scout can't uniquely excel at its role compared to other suits. Post a video of you doing all of the above in another suit and I'll give you 50,000,000 ISK.

You sure can tell when players have never even seen military tactics or weapons up close. They have no appreciation for how things actually work.

Well, since you can't do any of the above with your SCOUT SUIT (haha) that just doesn't make any sense in the context of this discussion. Waiting on these updates, LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

How long have you been waiting?

I stand by my statement that there's nothing a scout suit can do that I can't do with a sentinel, commando, or even mly heavy. I can even put your silly little knives on my suit. But you can't put my HMG on yours. I win.

I've used plenty, both hardware and tactics, but that's not the point here. The point is that some idiot, yourself, doesn't know when to stop digging the hole, whether it's a really bad troll attempt or unfortunately your actual opinion.

I've used plenty, both hardware and tactics, but that's not the point here. The point is that some idiot, yourself, doesn't know when to stop digging the hole, whether it's a really bad troll attempt or unfortunately your actual opinion.

Perhaps you should have indicated in your OP that you were talking specifically about pre 1.8 scouts. When 1.8 hits I'll have proven you 100% wrong with what I said though so enjoy being 'right' for another two weeks or so. Feel better?

games while based on pieces of real life, are their own little universes, with different rules written then ours.

military tactics tend to fail in video gazmes where the rules have diverged far enough from real life.

mostly because in military tactics you cant literally throw away lives on an endless loop to acomplish something without facing harsh consequenses.



this isnt reality, and the rules of this little pocket universe called dust 514 are vastly different from the one we live in. as a game designer you deliberatly design things that arnt realistic for the sake of balance or entertainment as doing otherwise would result in its failure.

its a "scout" suit, not a scout.

stop applying real life rules and laws to video games and realise that the rules of this universe are different then our own.

If you think you've identified a problem (lack of role for Scouts), what would your solution be? Besides never getting into combat? This is an FPS game, and as someone else pointed out, never getting to do anything besides look at bad guys gets boring. So what would you propose as a possible solution/role for Scouts to play, that lives up to the name "Scout", and is still fun to play?

These were my major jobs as a Cav scout:

Ride around in a Bradley IFV. I was too tall to drive, fit in the turret, or load the TOW tubes, so I did dismount. I carried a USAS or M249 SAW, wore heavy body armor, and would surpress an area so that the infantry unit on board could dismount the vehicle.

Switched from that to roof gunner on a Hummer. Used a Mk19. Basically a belt fed, full automatic mass driver accurate up to a mile if somebody was on the other end laseing the target.

Lase targets for gunships, tanks, LAVs, and missle batteries. This was dangerous. You had to sneak way into enemy lines, not get seen, and designate targets. Always a chance of getting blown up by the strike you called in.

Decoy Duty. Get behind enemy ines, cause enough of a distraction to get the enemy's attention, hold the aggro until the infantry can get there and save you.

Certain scout units would go in with major ground forces, then break away and recover intel. This is kind of like hacking CRUs and such I suppose.

I jumped out of every aircraft the US military uses for that purpose, and a couple that they don't. Scouts should be on a dropship every chance they get. Hitch a ride to the other end of the map, air drop in, get to work.

Scouts should be proficient with all the longer range weapons. The best way to avoid a noisy fight is to shoot the guy from like 800m with a silenced weapon. Game mechanics don't support this however.

Scouts should be masters of explosives, both to eliminate enemy assets and to cause the big distractions for decoy duty. However, mechanics are not included that would give any WP for doing this role. Just like how good PlC users get screwed for no WP for clearing an obj after firing 1 shot and all the bad guys run away.

Aside from occasionally STROPE rigging or using the FARS being a scout was a crappy job, and pretty much a stepping stone toward Rangers for anyone planning to stay in long.

Lase targets for gunships, tanks, LAVs, and missle batteries. This was dangerous. You had to sneak way into enemy lines, not get seen, and designate targets. Always a chance of getting blown up by the strike you called in.

Decoy Duty. Get behind enemy lines, cause enough of a distraction to get the enemy's attention, hold the aggro until the infantry can get there and save you.

Certain scout units would go in with major ground forces, then break away and recover intel. This is kind of like hacking CRUs and such I suppose.

Scouts should be proficient with all the longer range weapons. The best way to avoid a noisy fight is to shoot the guy from like 800m with a silenced weapon. Game mechanics don't support this however.

Scouts should be masters of explosives, both to eliminate enemy assets and to cause the big distractions for decoy duty. However, mechanics are not included that would give any WP for doing this role.

AAAANNNDDD none of that is applicable to dust, as the laws in the dust universe change how you would idealy want to aproch situations.

scouts should stay out of dropships, they get shot out.
scouts should stay out of LAVs, they get shot out.

scouts usually do carry explosives and oeprate quite well doing exactly the thi9ng you seem to think they dont get any WP for doing....

dust=/=real life, in this game we are immortal, have different amounts of HP, can modify our suits to increase abilities that we cant have in the real world, weapons function in ways that break the laws of physics, dropships fly like spaceships, you can magically point a device around and see everyhting that isnt packing dapmeners, etcetcetcetc.

for every rule that is different from the laws of the world we live in, it changes what the ideal aproch would be inside of dust.


your amry training has made you bad at this game, and it should or you wouldnt be any good to the army.

your job means that you HAVE to think in the terms you do becuase its life or death. but ultimatly the dust universe simply doesnt work like that and CANT work like that its simply not possable.

I was a 19D Cavalry Scout in the US Army. I have seen what real scouts do on a battlefield, and the wanna-be "scouts" in New Eden are no where close.

Your mission is to get in a squad and find enemies for your squad. Your squad comes and kills the enemies while you slip away to find more enemies for your squad.

It's so simple, yet, pretty much all scouts in this game get it wrong. This is easy to understand because CCP also doesn't understand what a scout's role is.

Scouts are not ninjas. They do not carry weapons like Nova Knives. I personally find NK scouts offensive to my former professsion.

Scouts are not CQCers. If you are engaging the enemy yourself, it's because you screwed up and they saw you.

Scout's main weapons should be their laser designator. Oh, that's right, CCP didn't include that mechanic, which is basically the ONE THING A SCOUT IS SUPPOSED TO DO. Why the F did you even include scouts at all?!?

God you guys suck at making video games.

My Army training has made me excel at fps games. A workplace injury that left me with 1 fully operational hand is what hurt my game.
And, no, scouts get no WP for distracting the enemy so friendlies can kill them. Just like no WP for area surpression.
Also, if you're getting shot out of dropships and LAVs I'd say you're not doing it right. Your LAV driver is going to close to the main enemy force and your DS pilot is flying too low. You should look up HALO jumping and take a page from that.

If they wanted it to be a ninja, they should have called it the ninja suit.

if you cant shoot a scout out of a dropship your doing it wrong, it has no HP i blap scouts out of dropships all the time, its a simple matter of point the small missle at the side and BLAP instant death 1HKO vs say a heavy suit wich is a dmn 5 hit KO.

i also shoot them out of LAVs the same way, BAM 1HKO and this is with them moving at full speed BTW.

scouts get assist WP for both distraction and supression, and skills for bait and BOOMing,

your job means you think of this game in terms of real life, as if the universes follow the same rules. they dont, and so you will always think of scout suits as scouts, then scout suits most certainly are NOT scouts and CANT be scouts at least in the terms of your "scout" ideal.

its not possable, stop getting hung up on a name.

this isnt the same universe, and HP matters so naturally some tasks that your "scout" would do our scout suits cannot, and naturally our scout suits can do things your "scout" cannot do. the rules are different here and so the tactics are not the same.