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JARREL THOMAS
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Posted - 2014.03.02 17:15:00 -
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Alternate Insano wrote:TheD1CK wrote:Alternate Insano wrote:I was a 19D Cavalry Scout in the US Army. I have seen what real scouts do on a battlefield, and the wanna-be "scouts" in New Eden are no where close.
Your mission is to get in a squad and find enemies for your squad. Your squad comes and kills the enemies while you slip away to find more enemies for your squad.
It's so simple, yet, pretty much all scouts in this game get it wrong. This is easy to understand because CCP also doesn't understand what a scout's role is.
Scouts are not ninjas. They do not carry weapons like Nova Knives. I personally find NK scouts offensive to my former professsion.
Scouts are not CQCers. If you are engaging the enemy yourself, it's because you screwed up and they saw you.
Scout's main weapons should be their laser designator. Oh, that's right, CCP didn't include that mechanic, which is basically the ONE THING A SCOUT IS SUPPOSED TO DO. Why the F did you even include scouts at all?!?
God you guys suck at making video games. Sorry buddy, your hopes of re-living the old military days through Dust514 are done  This is a sci-fi computer game, don't expect it to match up to your time in Military .... Dust is not real-life..... Yeah, I get that. I also have no interest in re-living my wicked awesome Army days with this wicked unawesome game. You see, laser designators were supposed to make it into the game. But they didn't. Why? It would be too easy to blow up AUR vehicles. This game only exists to sell AUR, so anything that could hurt sales will never make the cut. But, rather than scrap scouts all together even they don't have an actual, specific only to them role, CCP kept them in anyway. I mean, even -snipers- have a role in this game, i.e. shoot RR users. What is it a scout can do that some other class doesn't already do better?
They slip by enemy lines flank create distractions ( because there stealth machanic) drop uplinks hack quicker min scouts create distractions so your team can push in. Be creative Dust 514 scouts aren't strait foward like most other suits . And Dust 514 is si-fi shooter not a military simulator get used to it.
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JARREL THOMAS
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Posted - 2014.03.02 17:30:00 -
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Alternate Insano wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Alternate Insano wrote:Slash Frenzy wrote:Quote:Sorry buddy, your hopes of re-living the old military days through Dust514 are done Pirate
This is a sci-fi computer game, don't expect it to match up to your time in Military ....
Dust is not real-life..... This. But I agree most play the scout to offensive. Because most play alone and wanna earn WP to get SP. When I-Śm in a squad my main purpose is placing uplinks, hack uncovered objectives and kill sniper/scouts. I do see that this can be a description of the scout in this game. But, just my 2c. So, you use your scout as a logi? IS there anything you can do that another class can't? Everything you described I do with a commando. I'm just trying to figure if scouts even have a purpose. If anyone can do what they do, then I'd say they don't. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, just because a commando can drop uplinks, hack points and kill snipers doesn't mean its the best for the job. Otherwise we would only have 2 basic suits a heavy and a medium because between they can do every job EVER. It like telling my Minmatar Flanking suit is terrible because the Jobs I do with it can be done with any other suit. Which they can, but when your squad is pinned down I would much rather have a fast moderately dampned minmatar to say a lumbering brick tanked amarr as my flanker. But that doesn't mean someone else can play amarr as flanker it just doesn't suit MY style, it's not wrong but to me its not right either. We really only have 3 suits now, heavy, logi, and assault. but aren't you a dust514 super scub
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Level 262 forum troll? Why should I Lisen to you?
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JARREL THOMAS
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Posted - 2014.03.02 17:39:00 -
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Alternate Insano wrote:Darrius, thank you for actually looking at what I was talking about. You are better understanding what your role should be. Not the lame assclown scouts you see now with nothing to do someone else can't already do.
Tell me hopping out of a DS onto an obj, hacking it, and using a DUST version of the FARS to get back on board so you and the pilot can zoom to the next one shouldn't be part of this game.
Or some version of a laser designator, if only to combat tank spam.
Or any of the rest.
Any of you who play scouts are being seriously let down, and undermined by the game. Quit buying what they're selling and demand better toys.
You super dust 514 scrub how many people does it take to tellyou that this is a sci-fi you idiot your days in the military is not dust 514 . So please SHUT UP!!!
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JARREL THOMAS
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Posted - 2014.03.02 17:45:00 -
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 Alternate Insano wrote:Joel II X wrote:Squad view is still here for scouts, but it won't show EVERYONE.
Everyone can carry scanners.
You forget there's barely any cover to keep looking for reds around the whole map.
I agree that scouts should be renamed and that there should be another more scout based variation released as I have posted before.
Their description mentions stealth and assassinations.
America is not a standard (coming from an American).
It's just a game.
If you don't like it, leave. I know everyone can carry scanners. I haven't mentioned them one single time this entire thread. Go look up what I'm talking about. Scouts shouldn't be looking for enemy reds, they should be sneaking up behind vehicles. I have no issue with the name and never said it should be changed A mention is much different then their primary role. Killing things is the one common denominator throughout this game. America sure as hell is not a standard, it's exceptional Are you sure it's just a game and I'm not currently in Hell? If I don't like it I try to make it better, when that fails, I just cause chaos. I'm still trying to make things better, btw.
Yes it is a GAME just like war the past 5 pages have said.
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JARREL THOMAS
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Posted - 2014.03.02 17:46:00 -
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Alternate Insano wrote:JARREL THOMAS wrote:Alternate Insano wrote:Darrius, thank you for actually looking at what I was talking about. You are better understanding what your role should be. Not the lame assclown scouts you see now with nothing to do someone else can't already do.
Tell me hopping out of a DS onto an obj, hacking it, and using a DUST version of the FARS to get back on board so you and the pilot can zoom to the next one shouldn't be part of this game.
Or some version of a laser designator, if only to combat tank spam.
Or any of the rest.
Any of you who play scouts are being seriously let down, and undermined by the game. Quit buying what they're selling and demand better toys. You super dust 514 scrub how many people does it take to tellyou that this is a sci-fi you idiot your days in the military is not dust 514 . So please SHUT UP!!! Dude, what are you jelly? Go enlist, it's easy.
No one should be jelious of a scrub like you.
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JARREL THOMAS
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Posted - 2014.03.02 17:52:00 -
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Alternate Insano wrote:JARREL THOMAS wrote:Alternate Insano wrote:JARREL THOMAS wrote:Alternate Insano wrote:Darrius, thank you for actually looking at what I was talking about. You are better understanding what your role should be. Not the lame assclown scouts you see now with nothing to do someone else can't already do.
Tell me hopping out of a DS onto an obj, hacking it, and using a DUST version of the FARS to get back on board so you and the pilot can zoom to the next one shouldn't be part of this game.
Or some version of a laser designator, if only to combat tank spam.
Or any of the rest.
Any of you who play scouts are being seriously let down, and undermined by the game. Quit buying what they're selling and demand better toys. You super dust 514 scrub how many people does it take to tellyou that this is a sci-fi you idiot your days in the military is not dust 514 . So please SHUT UP!!! Dude, what are you jelly? Go enlist, it's easy. No one should be jelious of a scrub like you. Well, it's just that it seems like all you want to talk about is my former service in the United States armed forces and not all the awesome ideas for things scouts should be doing. It's almost like you're not paying attention at all to the conversation.
Your profile says dust 514 super scrub
Level 262 forum troll well I wonder ...
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JARREL THOMAS
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Posted - 2014.03.02 17:57:00 -
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Alternate Insano wrote:JARREL THOMAS wrote:Alternate Insano wrote:JARREL THOMAS wrote:Alternate Insano wrote:Darrius, thank you for actually looking at what I was talking about. You are better understanding what your role should be. Not the lame assclown scouts you see now with nothing to do someone else can't already do.
Tell me hopping out of a DS onto an obj, hacking it, and using a DUST version of the FARS to get back on board so you and the pilot can zoom to the next one shouldn't be part of this game.
Or some version of a laser designator, if only to combat tank spam.
Or any of the rest.
Any of you who play scouts are being seriously let down, and undermined by the game. Quit buying what they're selling and demand better toys. You super dust 514 scrub how many people does it take to tellyou that this is a sci-fi you idiot your days in the military is not dust 514 . So please SHUT UP!!! Dude, what are you jelly? Go enlist, it's easy. No one should be jelious of a scrub like you. Well, it's just that it seems like all you want to talk about is my former service in the United States armed forces and not all the awesome ideas for things scouts should be doing. It's almost like you're not paying attention at all to the conversation.
No it's the fact that having a bombardment from above would be op to vehicles and would neutrulize the reason to work for orbs vehicles shouldn't be destroyed to Easley since they cost so much DERP
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JARREL THOMAS
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Posted - 2014.03.02 18:13:00 -
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Alternate Insano wrote:Alternate Insano wrote:JARREL THOMAS wrote:Alternate Insano wrote:Darrius, thank you for actually looking at what I was talking about. You are better understanding what your role should be. Not the lame assclown scouts you see now with nothing to do someone else can't already do.
Tell me hopping out of a DS onto an obj, hacking it, and using a DUST version of the FARS to get back on board so you and the pilot can zoom to the next one shouldn't be part of this game.
Or some version of a laser designator, if only to combat tank spam.
Or any of the rest.
Any of you who play scouts are being seriously let down, and undermined by the game. Quit buying what they're selling and demand better toys. You super dust 514 scrub how many people does it take to tellyou that this is a sci-fi you idiot your days in the military is not dust 514 . So please SHUT UP!!! Dude, what are you jelly? Go enlist, it's easy. No one should be jelious of a scrub like you.
Well, it's just that it seems like all you want to talk about is my former service in the United States armed forces and not all the awesome ideas for things scouts should be doing. It's almost like you're not paying attention at all to the conversation.[/quote]
No it's the fact that having a bombardment from above would be op to vehicles and would neutrulize the reason to work for orbs vehicles shouldn't be destroyed to Easley since they cost so much DERP[/quote]
Did you not read the thread? I didn't mention bombardments once. Also, vehicles are cheaper than my adv suit, but that's for another thread. We've been discussing cool RL scout activities that should be in game. Well, that and one guy can't leave it alone that I was in the Army.[/quote]
You said before that you taged him with the laser and he gat destroyed by a hellstorm correct? And there getting ready to Increase prices of tanks in later updates 1.8 1.9
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JARREL THOMAS
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Posted - 2014.03.02 18:28:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:and its officially devolved into a flame fest... guys come on... there was no reason for this.
everyones alowed to a little ragefest at the game every once and a while, theres tons of stuff that we all wish were apart of the game.
he started by simply compairing the scout suit with his old profession and ended up disapointed because of how little the two compaired to each other. thats all there is too it.
his disapointment is every bit as valid as anything else on these forums, but unfortunatly for him RL scouts dont translate very well into game mechanics and so they are oftin used for other purposes that dont match up well with his personal experiance... thats pretty much all that needs to be said on the matter now.
He called us adorable scouts who don't know there roll
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JARREL THOMAS
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Posted - 2014.03.02 19:29:00 -
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Alternate Insano wrote:Draxus Prime wrote:you say the scout role is useless?
I can flank
I can run faster
I can run farther
I can hack quicker
I can be electronically invisibe
I can be visibly invisible (soon)
and STILL get 50+ kills
the problem isn't that other suits can do it better
The problem is you suck with the suit and probably blindly run into enemies
:) No, I don't use it at all. Running blindly into enemies is for my heavy suit.
I'll agree with you on that
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JARREL THOMAS
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Posted - 2014.03.02 19:33:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Alternate Insano wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:JARREL THOMAS wrote:
He called us adorable scouts who don't know there roll
he wasnt exactly stepping carefully on eggshells to convey his intended message but he diddnt exactly mean any harm by it. from his perspective there are two groups that identify with "scouts" his group RL scouts and game scouts hes simply noticed a huge descrepancy in what the two groups roles are and is expressing his desire that they be brought closer together. in essence he is expressing his dismay that the games dont allow you guys to really get to see the scout how hee sees them. and he wishes that you guys could see how awesome real scouts are. add in his army background and that explains his rather rough way of conveying his message. aka dont let his adversarial way of saying it get in the way of understanding that he really just wants to share his insight into scouts as well as his feelings of how awesome RL scouts were. hes trying to be friends You can see into my brain! You can write my posts from now on. i can see into most peoples brains :P in real life it creeps people out, in the world of the internet its the ultimate conflict resolution tool. me on the internet: solves more problems then it causes me in real life: causes more problems then it solves.... by alot. people in real life dont like it when you can see their every motivation and intention, it puts people in a defencive stance immediatly even if they arnt conciously aware of your ability to read them a piece of them can still tell in most cases.
How?
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