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Heathen Bastard
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Posted - 2014.03.02 15:26:00 -
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Alternate Insano wrote:TheD1CK wrote:Alternate Insano wrote:I was a 19D Cavalry Scout in the US Army. I have seen what real scouts do on a battlefield, and the wanna-be "scouts" in New Eden are no where close.
Your mission is to get in a squad and find enemies for your squad. Your squad comes and kills the enemies while you slip away to find more enemies for your squad.
It's so simple, yet, pretty much all scouts in this game get it wrong. This is easy to understand because CCP also doesn't understand what a scout's role is.
Scouts are not ninjas. They do not carry weapons like Nova Knives. I personally find NK scouts offensive to my former professsion.
Scouts are not CQCers. If you are engaging the enemy yourself, it's because you screwed up and they saw you.
Scout's main weapons should be their laser designator. Oh, that's right, CCP didn't include that mechanic, which is basically the ONE THING A SCOUT IS SUPPOSED TO DO. Why the F did you even include scouts at all?!?
God you guys suck at making video games. Sorry buddy, your hopes of re-living the old military days through Dust514 are done  This is a sci-fi computer game, don't expect it to match up to your time in Military .... Dust is not real-life..... Yeah, I get that. I also have no interest in re-living my wicked awesome Army days with this wicked unawesome game. You see, laser designators were supposed to make it into the game. But they didn't. Why? It would be too easy to blow up AUR vehicles. This game only exists to sell AUR, so anything that could hurt sales will never make the cut. But, rather than scrap scouts all together even they don't have an actual, specific only to them role, CCP kept them in anyway. I mean, even -snipers- have a role in this game, i.e. shoot RR users. What is it a scout can do that some other class doesn't already do better?
Currently? get under scanners like a bastard. 1.8? cloak for virtually nothing compared to anyone else, and if you go caldari, best scanner in the game. you go minmatar, you'll be an assassin/agent of chaos, hacking the entire enemy line before they realize someone's there. gallente, and the only way they'll ever know you're there is to actually see you.
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Heathen Bastard
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Posted - 2014.03.02 16:03:00 -
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Alternate Insano wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:So, you want DUST to be Arma?
THIS ISN'T REAL LIFE.
Seriously. Stop thinking that.
The closest thing we should balance scouts too is the TF2 Scouts. Soft and Squishy, but very fast. I KNOW THIS ISNT REAL LIFE I HAVE SAID SO NOW OVER AND OVER FOR THOSE OF YOU TOO STUPID TO READ I don't want DUST to be CoD I don't want DSUT to be BF4 I don't want DUST to be Arma I want DUST to not suck, which it does, the big one. The big bumpy pee pee OMG what is that rash from STD one. Apparently, you all want it to continue to suck. None of you have gone and looked at what I was talking about, but you all have no problem telling me I'm wrong. Suck much? Know you're wrong much? Scared this game will become popular and good players will actually come here and your proto won't mean **** much?
You want DUST scouts to not be DUST scouts. Yes, I know that "IN MA ARMY DAYZ!" scout meant something completely different than what they are in this game(and possibly today's military, changing face of war and all that)
This is how DUST scouts are. Quiet, sneaky, killing and running away. We are the embodiment of asymmetrical warfare, we kill what we can, leave, and relay what's left to the team. or if it looks too difficult, skip the killing part and just relay it to the team, waiting until they're engaged to shoot them in the back or lay a trap for their impending retreat.
You really seem to have something against Knife using scouts. I don't know why, they're only useful in a few situations unless you're really damn good with them. Or maybe you just don't like knives? One suit gets a bonus to knives, a massive bonus that turns them into the hands down most effective weapon(short of REs) for when you sneak up on an opponent. You won't survive a fight, so you need a lot of alpha damage to drop them before there is a fight, so knives become the go to weapon for close quarters out of necessity due to their massive damage(you can get it up to around 1400 ish on a full charge with proto, prof, and a damage mod, and a maxed out suit. IIRC)
If you have such a hardon for being Mr. Lockon designator guy, go play Battlefield.
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Heathen Bastard
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Posted - 2014.03.02 16:35:00 -
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Alternate Insano wrote:Hecarim Van Hohen wrote:Alternate Insano wrote:
You can't be bothered to go look up what a RL scout is, so until you do you really can't say that for certain can you? since you clearly don't know the slightest of what I'm talking about.
Jumping out of airplanes with oxygen gear at 6 miles up and not pulling the ripcord until you are just over the treetops is fun.
Full auto shotguns are fun.
65 mph mechanized infantry fighting vehicles with rapid fire cannons and anti tank missles are fun.
Pointing a little device at a tank, bunker, or other installation and watching it disappear in a cloud of debris from the strike you called in is fun.
Dangling under a helicopter from a rope with all your friends is fun.
The Fulton Aerial Recovery System is like fishing for infantry with an airplane. Sorry, not like, literally is. FUN
You all are making it obvious that you are not even reading anything but one line from the OP and just blasting an opinion to try and make yourselves look clever. How lame.
No need for parachutes, we have inertia dampeners AA12 would be a cool addition, maybe a Minmatar SG MAV's SoonGäó Active Scanner, light stuff up for your squad leader so he can drop that OB where it's needed Dangling from anything in this game means death though I admit that it sounds like fun Last one sounds fun but current map size makes this impossible to execute As for the OP and the rest of the post made on the thread, I read them all. ps. Where is that cloaked heavy/commando? You boasted that you could perform every action of the scout in one after all  pps. maybe scout suits should be named a guerilla/ranger suits? We don't have cloaks yet, I still have what, months? To figure out how to swing it. How does BF handle jets and such? Aren't we supposed to get those too? Or some other 'quick extraction' method, maybe modifying it to work for dropships. Simplest way would be some sort of pilot operated tractor beam, but that would be cheesy. There's ways to make it all work. Scouts should be the ultimate answer to tank spam, being able to light them up for swarm guys, turret gunners and all. That was another point I forget to make.
less than a month till cloaks.
You ***** at everyone else about not doing research and then don't do research...
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Heathen Bastard
The Bastard Brigade
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Posted - 2014.03.02 17:20:00 -
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Alternate Insano wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:Alternate Insano wrote:Hecarim Van Hohen wrote:Alternate Insano wrote:
You can't be bothered to go look up what a RL scout is, so until you do you really can't say that for certain can you? since you clearly don't know the slightest of what I'm talking about.
Jumping out of airplanes with oxygen gear at 6 miles up and not pulling the ripcord until you are just over the treetops is fun.
Full auto shotguns are fun.
65 mph mechanized infantry fighting vehicles with rapid fire cannons and anti tank missles are fun.
Pointing a little device at a tank, bunker, or other installation and watching it disappear in a cloud of debris from the strike you called in is fun.
Dangling under a helicopter from a rope with all your friends is fun.
The Fulton Aerial Recovery System is like fishing for infantry with an airplane. Sorry, not like, literally is. FUN
You all are making it obvious that you are not even reading anything but one line from the OP and just blasting an opinion to try and make yourselves look clever. How lame.
No need for parachutes, we have inertia dampeners AA12 would be a cool addition, maybe a Minmatar SG MAV's SoonGäó Active Scanner, light stuff up for your squad leader so he can drop that OB where it's needed Dangling from anything in this game means death though I admit that it sounds like fun Last one sounds fun but current map size makes this impossible to execute As for the OP and the rest of the post made on the thread, I read them all. ps. Where is that cloaked heavy/commando? You boasted that you could perform every action of the scout in one after all pps. maybe scout suits should be named a guerilla/ranger suits? We don't have cloaks yet, I still have what, months? To figure out how to swing it. How does BF handle jets and such? Aren't we supposed to get those too? Or some other 'quick extraction' method, maybe modifying it to work for dropships. Simplest way would be some sort of pilot operated tractor beam, but that would be cheesy. There's ways to make it all work. Scouts should be the ultimate answer to tank spam, being able to light them up for swarm guys, turret gunners and all. That was another point I forget to make. less than a month till cloaks. You ***** at everyone else about not doing research and then don't do research... Dude, don't be a dumbass. Everyone knows when the devs -say- it will be out, I was being sarcastic. You are now officially grasping at straws to stay relevant to this conversation. Congrats.
No, I'm pointing out how you're entirely wrong and you're now trying to tell me that I'm not relevant to the conversation because you're in a fight you can't win.
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