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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2014.03.02 11:45:00 -
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Sorry if you find it offensive, but this is a game.
Do you really think most people would play a scout just to use a laser designator? Do you really think most people would play a heavy just to play defense role? Do you really think most people would play a Logistics just to be a medic?
The idea of this game is you are given the choice to play it however you want. If you want to be a guy in a scout suit running round with active scanner and using squad commands like a laser designator that is your perogative. If the guy next to you wants to be a damn power ranger then he can be.
There are no set "roles" if you want to play heavy you play it how you want, you do that, give him a laser rifle and watch in glee as people run from your long ramge weapon, you wanna be a mad bomber with a logistics suit be my guest, you wanna be some kind of chuck norris beating people to death fine by me.
We are not should not be forced into set roles its good for the game.
Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work.
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
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Posted - 2014.03.02 11:54:00 -
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Alternate Insano wrote:Slash Frenzy wrote:Quote:Sorry buddy, your hopes of re-living the old military days through Dust514 are done Pirate This is a sci-fi computer game, don't expect it to match up to your time in Military ....
Dust is not real-life..... This. But I agree most play the scout to offensive. Because most play alone and wanna earn WP to get SP. When I-Śm in a squad my main purpose is placing uplinks, hack uncovered objectives and kill sniper/scouts. I do see that this can be a description of the scout in this game. But, just my 2c. So, you use your scout as a logi? IS there anything you can do that another class can't? Everything you described I do with a commando. I'm just trying to figure if scouts even have a purpose. If anyone can do what they do, then I'd say they don't.
Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, just because a commando can drop uplinks, hack points and kill snipers doesn't mean its the best for the job. Otherwise we would only have 2 basic suits a heavy and a medium because between they can do every job EVER.
It like telling my Minmatar Flanking suit is terrible because the Jobs I do with it can be done with any other suit. Which they can, but when your squad is pinned down I would much rather have a fast moderately dampned minmatar to say a lumbering brick tanked amarr as my flanker. But that doesn't mean someone else can play amarr as flanker it just doesn't suit MY style, it's not wrong but to me its not right either.
Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work.
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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2014.03.02 11:59:00 -
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Alternate Insano wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Sorry if you find it offensive, but this is a game.
Do you really think most people would play a scout just to use a laser designator? Do you really think most people would play a heavy just to play defense role? Do you really think most people would play a Logistics just to be a medic?
The idea of this game is you are given the choice to play it however you want. If you want to be a guy in a scout suit running round with active scanner and using squad commands like a laser designator that is your perogative. If the guy next to you wants to be a damn power ranger then he can be.
There are no set "roles" if you want to play heavy you play it how you want, you do that, give him a laser rifle and watch in glee as people run from your long ramge weapon, you wanna be a mad bomber with a logistics suit be my guest, you wanna be some kind of chuck norris beating people to death fine by me.
We are not should not be forced into set roles its good for the game. You call racial bonuses for suits and weapons 'Not Being Forced Into Set Roles'? And also, yes, to your first question, if this was any other game. but I have to keep reminding myself where I am.
Why though and bow many people do you think would be happy playing that role? With such limited capability most would prefer an assault so they can do what they want. I call racial bonuses for suits and weapons racial parity, personally I think they gave bonuses to racial only weapons to early, we don't have a full enough roster.
But when we have everything it would make sense, if you wanaa be an Amaar 'scout' it makes sense you get a bonus to amarrian weaponry, what doesn't make sense is saying have bonuses to Amarr weapons and only give you long range to choose from.
Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work.
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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2014.03.02 12:01:00 -
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Alternate Insano wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Alternate Insano wrote:Slash Frenzy wrote:Quote:Sorry buddy, your hopes of re-living the old military days through Dust514 are done Pirate This is a sci-fi computer game, don't expect it to match up to your time in Military ....
Dust is not real-life..... This. But I agree most play the scout to offensive. Because most play alone and wanna earn WP to get SP. When I-Śm in a squad my main purpose is placing uplinks, hack uncovered objectives and kill sniper/scouts. I do see that this can be a description of the scout in this game. But, just my 2c. So, you use your scout as a logi? IS there anything you can do that another class can't? Everything you described I do with a commando. I'm just trying to figure if scouts even have a purpose. If anyone can do what they do, then I'd say they don't. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, just because a commando can drop uplinks, hack points and kill snipers doesn't mean its the best for the job. Otherwise we would only have 2 basic suits a heavy and a medium because between they can do every job EVER. It like telling my Minmatar Flanking suit is terrible because the Jobs I do with it can be done with any other suit. Which they can, but when your squad is pinned down I would much rather have a fast moderately dampned minmatar to say a lumbering brick tanked amarr as my flanker. But that doesn't mean someone else can play amarr as flanker it just doesn't suit MY style, it's not wrong but to me its not right either. We really only have 3 suits now, heavy, logi, and assault.
1 heavy 1 commando 4 Assaults 4 logistics 2 Scouts
This just shows the difference between you and I, you see a family suits all only good for the same thing, I see each individual suit, with its races positives and negatives and even how I can utilise these for roles that suit can excel with.
Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work.
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
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Posted - 2014.03.02 12:17:00 -
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Alternate Insano wrote:INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote:Alternate Insano wrote:I was a 19D Cavalry Scout in the US Army. I have seen what real scouts do on a battlefield, and the wanna-be "scouts" in New Eden are no where close.
Your mission is to get in a squad and find enemies for your squad. Your squad comes and kills the enemies while you slip away to find more enemies for your squad.
It's so simple, yet, pretty much all scouts in this game get it wrong. This is easy to understand because CCP also doesn't understand what a scout's role is.
Scouts are not ninjas. They do not carry weapons like Nova Knives. I personally find NK scouts offensive to my former professsion.
Scouts are not CQCers. If you are engaging the enemy yourself, it's because you screwed up and they saw you.
Scout's main weapons should be their laser designator. Oh, that's right, CCP didn't include that mechanic, which is basically the ONE THING A SCOUT IS SUPPOSED TO DO. Why the F did you even include scouts at all?!?
God you guys suck at making video games. You do realize that the classes and roles are not defined by your interpretation of what the United States Army uses scouts for? They are defined by the people who make this game, and its based on space man technology, far in the future, where scouts have knives, and do what the **** we want..... Why do people always feel the need to put their b u l l s h I t on how we are supposed to utilize our suits, why the he ll does it matter what I do with my suit? When the day comes that the insufferable amount of bitching from this player base leads to hard roles being defined by ccp to the point that we cant create the custom fits that are really at the heart of why this game is still bad ass, on that day dust will die..... Our ability to have the freedom to make suit choices both good and bad are 1of the top 3 reasons I play dust.... The game makers can define the suit role, but how you implement that role and to what end is our choice. No one here should be telling others how to use a suit or gun, thats why logis are being nerfed, and yet we will always slay because when you spawn in your gun is in your hand, not, your rep tool.... Heavies will continue to use rr, because they can, and scouts will continue to cut your efing head off because its fun and cool and difficult.... Dont define my roll, know your own, slow it down, and get good with it. CCP is already forcing us into specific roles with bs racial bonuses. But if you like running around thinking you're really being a "scout" doing whatever it is you're doing that everybody else can do, whatevs man. That is what the whole damn game is about.
Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work.
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
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Posted - 2014.03.02 19:07:00 -
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Alternate Insano wrote:Draxus Prime wrote:you say the scout role is useless? I can flank I can run faster I can run farther I can hack quicker I can be electronically invisibe I can be visibly invisible (soon) and STILL get 50+ kills
the problem isn't that other suits can do it better The problem is you suck with the suit and probably blindly run into enemies :) No, I don't use it at all. Running blindly into enemies is for my heavy suit.
Hold on? You don't even use the scout suit? So how would you know its as bad as you believe?
If you are trying to say we need more cool stuff to facilitate even more fits, roles and uses no one will disagree If you are trying to say that scout suit needs a specific a role that every scout suit should have to play, please leave, this isn't the game for you.
Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work.
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
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Posted - 2014.03.03 00:20:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:This guy has now trolled you all for 10 pages.... He is claiming knowledge on how everything works, yet he is here for 5 weeks So as the OP has stated, continuing to post makes you an idiot *I sacrificed myself being dumb enough to reply here, you don't have to*Edit: Do what I did, hit unsubscribe and pray people aren't dumb enough to let this hit pg.10
Why this nitwit has been a very good barometer for the dust community, although CCP may not get any actually ideas it shows exactly what the general community expects from this game.
This is not an RPG with one guy as a ganker, one guy as a healer, one guy as a status setter/buffer this a game where you can make any suit do what you want within reason, where each suit has its own positives and drawbacks compared to each other, where these suits can all do different roles in theirmown unique way.
Its shown the communities real spirit in the game, the fact it took some fool who doesn't like what people can do with a suit to show us it, is the real problem.
Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work.
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
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