I personally thank you for all the effort CCP is doing in getting the Dropsuits right.
Now it seems every time you ''redo'' something you leave some players not convinced.

LEt me make your JOB EASIER and give you the formula for ASSAULT Success.

Assault [5% reduction to PG/CPU cost of light/sidearm weapons]
- Caldari Assault: 10% Shield regulator effectiveness per level
- Gallente Assault: 10% Armor Repairer effectiveness per level
- Minmatar Assault: +5% to projectile light/sidearm and +1 to Minmatar explosive weaponry clip size per level.
- Amarr Assault: 5% reduction to laser weaponry heat build-up per level.


These are bonuses EVERYONE will be happy to have in their assault and will give these med frames offensive/defensive advantages over their opponents.

Either the ones i proposed or GIVE all of them Weapon specific bonuses like the Amarr and Minmatar ones.

TY for reading

While I think the Gallente and Caldari bonuses are lacking, I would prefer if they stayed with offensive bonuses instead of defensive bonuses, since that is what assaults are about. I agree with IWS.

Regarding the Caldari bonus specifically. I don't think the reload bonus is nearly as appealing as some of the others, I would bundle (kind of like how Minmatar scout is getting hacking speed and knife damage bundled in one bonus) it with an ammo reserves bonus, and a kick reduction bonus to make it more useful. Maybe even an effective range bonus, if the rail weapons get an effective range reduction to compensate. I guess I would also be fine with the reload bonus being bundled with a 3% shield module efficacy or recharge bonus, as long as they also keep a weapon related bonus for hybrid-railgun weapons.

As for the Gallente bonus, The dispersion thing might be useful for the AR, shotgun, and ion pistol (a good majority of the Gallente weapons), but I'm not exactly sure how useful it is; it certainly pales in comparison to the Minmatar and Amarr bonus. Perhaps bonus bundling should also be done for the Gallente bonus, or just give it a ROF bonus.

IWS before you start another PR ShitStoRM, maybe you would like to go into detail.

Furthermore, from your posts it seems like you're trying to suggest that the assault role is for class cannon DPS. Is this correct?

They did give them weapon specific bonuses, just pretty crappy ones.

I think 3% to both is a bit much since they were originally at 2% to just shields or armor. I'd go 2% for shield extenders/ regulators and plates/repairers

Alternatively (totally stealing from someone in another thread)

Caldari: 2-3% reduction in rail hybrid weapon spool up time (this would be tied to a corresponding increase to the RR charge time added to the weapon)

(I'm less sure what Gallente weapon users would want because I've never been much of an AR or SG user)...something that increases optimum and effective range for plasma hybrid weapons or RoF?

AMarr assault is definitely getting the best of the assault bonuses as the weapon PG/CPU benefits them the most and keeping reduced heat build up on laser weapons is awesome.

Minmatar comes in really close second. Gets a little less out of the PG/CPU bonus if using racial weapons but, I've always loved my 100 round SMGs but now 68 round CRs and 11 round MDs!

1.8 should be interesting to say the least

Well you can simulate the bonuses by leveling up AR sharpshooter to V. After level 3 the bonus just reduces your effectiveness hipfiring, as for the kick I don't worry about kick on any gun really even when I hipfire the rail because it is easy to manage. As for the dispersion on the ion pistol if I have a 350 charged shot that is going to lock my weapon after I shoot chances are I will not be hipfiring, as for shooting the regular shot I won't be using that either because the gun itself is terrible. And dispersion reduction kills the shotgun and as far as I know it doesn't kick...

Even with as messed up as it initially sounds, I also found this statement to make a hell of a lot of sense.

Since you specifically said "plates and extenders", does this mean you are against the idea of say... Regulators or Rechargers?

In my opinion Assaults being "combat oriented" also means that.. theoretically they are exposed to more direct combat than other suits. I'm a Caldari Assault main that prefers mid to long ranged engagements (and was even during the "Slayer Logi" debacle) I find faster and more efficient shield recharge to be surprisingly more effective for "skirmish" type play than simply attempting to "out-tank" your opponent. As a Caldari using a Caldari Rifle, I was a lot better at doing what I was "supposed to" with this type of fitting.

Obviously not having bonuses to Extenders as Caldari kind of sucks, but at the same time we shouldn't be in the kind of situations where extender stacking is absolutely necessary to ensure survival. Hopefully 1.8 will shift suit roles and playstyles into a much more..."focused" area than currently.


I may come off as a bit arrogant with my next statement, and with the game being as messed up as it is I am somewhat wrong, but at the same time I feel like I need to say it.

Assaults (Caldari in particular) need a mixture of damage, defense and mobility to do what they need to do. Just enough survival to not be scouts, and just enough damage to not be Sentinels. We have to sacrifice something, and the current build's "Stack defenses or die without doing anything" is a part of the messed up time to kill.

As far as I understand it, the logic behind the Caldari reload is to encourage aggression and "Assault" type gameplay. We don't know 100% what the TTK is going to be in 1.8, nor do we know how all these moving parts are going to affect one another. At first glance the reload bonus seems a bit pointless, but at the same time it may both be necessary to compensate for the Rail Rifle nerf, and also help Caldari soldiers keep pressure on their targets at the distance the weapon is intended to be used. Caldari typically have higher shields than the other races (if EVE is the example that is being followed) so we all ready start ahead of them in terms of immediate defenses.

CCP seems to be building suit bonuses under the impression that you're going to be playing as a certain race, wielding that race's weapon. So Caldari will have a powerful mid-ranged weapon, higher base shields and be able to reload their weapon faster than most other races (thanks to the bonus). The Rail rifle tends to reload fairly slowly without heavy skill investment otherwise. That to me sounds like quite a dangerous combination.

The only way it would be underwhelming is if you're playing the game in 1.8 the way you play the game now: as a frontline Caldari soldier stacking shield extenders and nothing else. Think outside the box for a little while. Read some of the other threads CCP has made, and try looking up Iron Wolf Saber's thread about the mantras. Also keep in mind that IWS has access to information that WE don't, and also tends to drop some clues about content under NDA that has more than once landed him in hot water. He's trying to tell us, a lot of people are just really not paying attention or listening.

CCP has always called Dust 514 a "thinking man's shooter" but there hasn't been a whole lot of anything to think about. I get the feeling 1.8 will change that based on the information we've been getting so far.

To clarify a bit of translation : Assaults are not supposed to be ones being the ones exposed to combat, they're the ones exposing others to combat. HP recoverability would be more in theme in this as it less down time taking a breather before pressuring back on the enemy again but this is better saved for type 2s if that ever happened again which unfortunately until their icde happens is not looking good on the forecast.

I personally thank you for all the effort CCP is doing in getting the Dropsuits right.
Now it seems every time you ''redo'' something you leave some players not convinced.

LEt me make your JOB EASIER and give you the formula for ASSAULT Success.

Assault [5% reduction to PG/CPU cost of light/sidearm weapons]
- Caldari Assault: 10% Shield regulator effectiveness per level
- Gallente Assault: 10% Armor Repairer effectiveness per level
- Minmatar Assault: +5% to projectile light/sidearm and +1 to Minmatar explosive weaponry clip size per level.
- Amarr Assault: 5% reduction to laser weaponry heat build-up per level.


These are bonuses EVERYONE will be happy to have in their assault and will give these med frames offensive/defensive advantages over their opponents.

Either the ones i proposed or GIVE all of them Weapon specific bonuses like the Amarr and Minmatar ones.


TY for reading

Armor repairs would still be UP

Buff to 6 or 7 hp's would fix it

But if I wanted faster reload, I'd go commando or get reload skill

I think that armor repairs at complex level should repair at 7-8 w/o skills

Thats what I meant
Currently armor rep bonuses are useless because the repair sucks

armor needs a slight rep boost, 6 or 7 hp/s base complex, just a little, I want to play shields but cant because it isnt viable......

or everyone get a DPS bounus of some sort I see assaults as being like attack frigs not like combat frigs.

The Minmatar and Amarr bonuses are entirely sufficient gank bonuses. The clip size bonus will be devastating on the CR especially should the damage output be nerfed, and the overheat bonus does frightening things to the SCR.

So why not?

The problem is not that Armor reps are not at all viable.
The problem is that Armor tankers want more ARMOR HP while having similar regen to the SHIELDS.
They already got rid of strong speed penalties.
As it is, ALL GALLENTES will have Natural Armor rep of at least 1.

Want more armor regen my friend on your gallente assault?

IN 1.7 (NOW)=
2 CX Armor reps & 2 ENHANCED ARMOR PLATES will give you:
504 + 12.5 Rep

Note that Shield regen on most assaults is 20. Logis from 15-17-20 and HEavies is 20.
So you are ONLY -7.5 (or less) Rep per sec, while gaining 48.5 HP (121 ENH ARMOR PLATE / COMPLEX SHIELD EXT 72 = NOT EVEN USING COMPLEX ARMOR PLATES vs COMPLEX SHIELD EXT....)

They need 6 base reps complex, so they dont complain, and so armor reps are decent