I don't think you realize how powerful regulators are. With that bonus, the CalAss would be able to get LITERALLY zero shield recharge delay. 41.25 for one complex, 35.8875 for the second, 23.5125, for the third. Add those together, get -100.65% delay.

Yeah, that's totally not OP or anything.

Gal and Cal have a chance to align up to 4 modules in this manner thus doubling the bonuses's power even further when stacked onto of the suit's natural affinity (as they both are already similar to the bonus come 1.8)

Amarr and min are stuck with 2 max benefiting (and unless the scrambler pistol is changing amarr are stuck with 1) and can only take advantage of it ONE at a time.

One could argue the cal and gal bonuses are 4x more powerful than amarr and minmatar.

How the heck did you become a CPM?! The reload bonus for my cal assault suit is so worthless that it would make me want my SP back, something I never thought I would say. How about ALL the assault suits get this crap bonus and then watch the tears. The bonuses recommended here are way better then their new ones. I actually thought the initial ones CCP came out with were much more in making assaults actual assaults.

I agree that the tank bonus doesn't fit, but I'm sorry, assault players have never been shy (like ever) about chiming in 24/7 on what to do with logi suits so you're just going to have to deal with it. Nobody's opinion (in a general sense) is more important than anyone elses, not even yours.

Don't attack IWS, he really does care about balance.

Disagree all you want, but leave personal attack out of it please.

That is how damage resistances are calculated, at least, and this is the same concept.

You would be right, if the regulators multiplied each other..

It is not. Damage resistance is calculated the same way as I described earlier.

Modules that give percentages are always multiplied against each other, not added on top of each other. This especially ensures that stuff will never reach 0, as in the case with damage resistance, or in this case shield delay.

Any source for this?

Its more about presenting a hostile presence and the ability to keep the pressure up on the enemy, which is why the bonuses are they way they are.

They're about keeping fire on the enemy either longer amount of time (minmatar amarr) or lowering the gaps of calmness if one had to find another name for the class id be that akin to harassment. Thus while it is an attack class its more of an attack support class more than anything designed to augment defensive or offensive positions while other classes pursue their strengths.

Plasma weaponry is supposed to be a bit more unwieldy than currently experienced but is also supposed to pack a far harder punch.

What some people are forgetting the gallente bonus is going to apply to the pr hipfire, shotgun, and ion pistol which is most likely the weapons of choice for most assaults. While true the plasma cannon won't be benefiting the assault frame is not the best home for it either. Quite a few weapons do excessively poor in a run and gun situation; this is where the gallente assault will shine and will be an absolute nightmare in cqc as he is going to go full speed strafing instead of taking that deadly critical second to ads and get shot up. Gal assault will probably get the most dynamic change in game play because of his bonus.

The currently suggested bonuses fit better with each race as is though.

Gallente is more of an urbanized cqc fighter and is able to storm interiors with little problems with his lightweight but armor defenses.

Caldari Assaults is more of a patrol and point defender able to keep people from crossing a street and ensuring that there is little to no gaps between reloading their limited magazine weapons. Caldari weapons also have some of the longer reloading times to account for their longer ranges usually. The time of reload is nearly that to close the gap and get within optimal of other weapon types.

Minmatar blow through ammo like nobody's business and the bonus will ensure he can keep fighting.

Amarr same deal with lesser chance of suicide.

All of these bonuses indirectly increase DPS by a set amount not for the 5 second engagement window but the entire potential damage over an entire minute time frames.

If you want a tanky medium class suggest it for the type Bs or another class even. Assaults have plenty of slots to already support a hefty tank as is in their class and these bonuses are irreplaceable. There are currently no modules that replace any of these bonuses. Where as with the suggest bonuses there are suits, and modules that would nullify or match suggested gains.

I personally thank you for all the effort CCP is doing in getting the Dropsuits right.
Now it seems every time you ''redo'' something you leave some players not convinced.

LEt me make your JOB EASIER and give you the formula for ASSAULT Success.

Assault [5% reduction to PG/CPU cost of light/sidearm weapons]
- Caldari Assault: 7% Shield Energizers & Re-chargers effectiveness per level (total 35%)
- Gallente Assault: 10% Armor Repairer effectiveness per level (Total 50%)
- Minmatar Assault: +5% to projectile light/sidearm and +1 to Minmatar explosive weaponry clip size per level.
- Amarr Assault: 5% reduction to laser weaponry heat build-up per level.


These are bonuses EVERYONE will be happy to have in their assault and will give these med frames offensive/defensive advantages over their opponents.

Either the ones i proposed or GIVE all of them Weapon specific bonuses like the Amarr and Minmatar ones.

TY for reading

Why are you giving assault survivability bonuses? Assaults are Gank, No Tank.

I changed the REGULATOR bonus for a energizer/recharger bonus.

Why you may ask?

WEll Caldaris recharging 400+Shields every 1 second DOES seem OP.

Why exactly? I already showed that the Regulator bonus isn't even OP in the slightest?

Here's the numbers with three Complex Regulators once again (assuming 5/8 delays on Caldari Assault):

With 50% bonus:
5 * 0.5875 * approx 0.6411 * approx 0.7649 = approx 1.44 delay.

8 * 0.5875 * approx 0.6411 * approx 0.7649 = approx 2.3 depleted delay.

Without 50% bonus:
5 * 0.725 * approx 0.761 * approx 0.843 = approx 2.3 delay (less than 1 second more than with the bonus).

8 * 0.725 * approx 0.761 * approx 0.843 = approx 3.7 depleted delay (less than 1-+ second more than with the bonus).

YES.You did.
But still=
''Not only this but Gallentes have to equip their ARMOR REPAIRERS in their LOW slots, which they share with armor plates.
While caldaris could use their 4 high SLots for extenders and abusing the bonus without sacrificing EHP ,unlike the gallente.
Considering the equal number of high and low slots plus the homogenic HP of both suits, i decided rechargers/Energizers could use the bonus better, while avoiding abuse since using 3+ Energizers/Rechargers would result,same as the gallente with 4 armor reps, in really low EHP.''

Did you do the math based on your new proposed bonus?

Because with a bonus to Rechargers/Energizers I think a Caldari Assault with the same fit as you listed above would recharge it's shields in about the same time as it would with a Regulator bonus (remember that even without a bonus to Regulators the shield delay would be around 2.3 and 3.7).

So if you think a Regulator bonus is OP, then so would a Recharger/Energizer bonus.

You ARE CORRECT.
And im a dumbass.
I really dont care if caldaris recharge at 0 secs XD .
I like the regulator bonus and think its useful its staying, re edited the post.
Please give your opinion on the 2 ''DPS'' bonuses i added as alternatives for gal and CAl.

We still can ALL Agree they are way better, way more balanced than what CCP is currently proposing.

The original bonuses in your OP were great.
A fully dedicated shield tank with nothing but regs in lows shoul be able to rep passively.
That's how the Caldari play.

if they are not going to put the heat mechanic on the RR then the laser heat mechanic needs to go so a proper amarr bonus would be,

5% armor resistance to all damage per level (since gallente get 10% to armor repairs)