The more I play this game the more I realise the only thing keeping me here is the banter in corp squads. Play solo and you soon realise the game is stale and boring.

The graphics are pretty bad, the shooting mechanic is bad, my control scheme is supposedly supported but barely works correctly. PC matches are just a lag fest. Half of the maps if not more don't run at a consistent / decent framerate.

Shall I go on? I wonder, why DO I play this game?

Issues that have been here for over a year are STILL prevalent. CCP DEVS constantly away, the few that are here spout out the same party line "We are aware and are looking into it". BS CCP dont even try and lie to us. You dont give a damn , this is just a ploy to get more people to play EVE.

On top of that I went to check the EVE-O forums and you are breaking everything over there too. Yes I am disappointed. I don't think this game will ever reach its potential.

This isn't a welfare state, if you want that go find it somewhere other than New Eden. What makes you think you are entitled to free money that is printed from nothing?

Guess what?

You're not, no one is. So what your Alliance/Corporation owns a District. Oh, you say you are entitled to the free money just because you won the fight? It shouldn't work that way.

Look at it this way, seizing the District is like seizing the ingredients to make cookies. Just because you have those ingredients doesn't mean you get to eat the cookies. You need to prep the dough, add the semi sweet morsels, mix them in evenly, mold the dough into little balls and then bake them into cookies; only then can you eat the cookies.

Seizing the District should give you access to X amount of potential PvE income per day. If you don't kill the mobs, you don't get the income. Just because you "own" the District doesn't mean you can farm your mobs unmolested. No, you need to defend your District from any raiders that show up to kill your mobs and claim your income. If you can't defend your District adequately, they will rob you blind. If you expand beyond what you can reasonably defend/patrol, you'll end up footing the bill for others to profit. Oh, did I forget to mention that you don't just get access to "your District" for free, you need to pay CONCORD their property tax. The upside is that you can profit by opening your structures to the public and charging them for access. Do you have a Production facility? Well, you can turn a decent profit by allowing both eggers and mercs the opportunity to utilize your manufacturing slots. Each type of facility allows you a seperate service which you can offer to the public for a price as well as X amount of potential PvE income for you to defend/farm.

There you have it, a working model for Active Income Generation rather than farming fights with blues or locking Districts or (worst of all) sitting there with your thumb up your ass while still getting paid.

Too bad you wasted all your time typing about district locking when I was talking about the ISK a district produces in the first place.

PC's have not lagged since the equip lag spam hotpatch a few weeks back. I get more lag in pubs than PC.

Bye PC, you wont be missed.

DUST 514 - can be fun, but this game is totally broken! CCP you need to get the plasters out!
People with so much isk they dont even have to EVER worry. Do you still wonder why noobs keep quitting?

The funny thing is there has been talking of what to do with the blueprint suits and stuff "because it hurts the economy" (That does not even exist yet) HA! Comical.

Remove the scanners , remove aim assist. Let people actually aim for themselves instead of this ridiculous bullet magnetiser aimbot.

I am happy that you feel that way, sadly, I'd wager you are in the minority.

PC has seemed close to fixed for a while...
The real issue is what the players have done in PC, the exploits they found and took advantage of

CCP should most certainly punish any players involved in exploits, as they are the cause of PC
having to be removed and also the cause of pub servers being over-run in proto gear
which has killed off a huge section of the playerbase.....

To be honest this ISK generation through district locking actually puts me off the game, I'll tolerate tank spam, redline headglitching thales, slayer logis, Scotty etc. But this renders any and all attempts to earn and save ISK a waste of time, thereby negating the theme and meta narrative of the game. No matter how much I play, I can't make as much as players who may have actually given up playing entirely. This is a worse impact on the potential economy than BPO's.
Instead of players using this ISK for proto stomping it'll be officer stomping.

Personally I think because of this the player market should be delayed until at least a year after PC is fixed. Possibly longer.

The only issue right now with PC is the locking. Once this is fixed I see no problem.

If you honestly have a problem with corps farming ISK then make a PC team and do something about it. The point is, getting established in PC is very hard and 90% of the people who complain in this thread neither have the ability or dedication to thrive in Molden Heath.

We earned ISK unlike players who run BPO's and farm pubs with no risk

I find that very hard to believe, certain maps always stutter and have **** poor framerate in pubs, there is no way that in PC this is miraculously gone.

Besides I have read in other places that PC still sucks balls for framerate. Granted they helped to fix equipment spam but that is not the core issue, just one of many.

Maybe, I am speaking just from personal experience, and what our corp has experienced. The lag issues are a far cry from what they used to be.

If you have any creative solutions (as in within current rule sets) the CPM still have an open ear.

CPM knows this has been (and for a long while knew) a problem and are trying to work with CCP and the community on a favorable solution.

You have some sound logic there, however my previous experience of PC battles put me off until I am convinced otherwise. I used to fight a little (Not loads but I did some battles n PC) back in ANONYMOUS. I may well fight in PC again.

You mention people using BPO`s in pubs, hell sometimes I even run starter suits as I have no other way to make isk. When you are threw head first into matches where you encounter 1 or 2 squads of proto, I do kill them sometimes. Granted I get my ass handed to me as well but the amount of times I have seen proto users lose 10+ proto kits in a match, I message them and ask them how they can afford it and they just reply with a laugh.

So if running proto and losing proto really affects me yet does not effect the 'elites' what would you suggest I do to counter this?

The only way I could ever compete in PC is to first build up a stocklpile of isk to begin with, hence BPO suits and militia starter fits.

When you are on the other side of this fence buddy it is a lot different. I know you dont have to worry about such things.

The only issue right now with PC is the locking. Once this is fixed I see no problem.

Such stark opposition, disagreement and a general consensus all saying "remove ISK generation, increase ISK payouts". I don't think anyone really sat down and thought that out, at all.

How does it solve district locking if not promote it? If I am not making ISK from the selling of clones on a district filled to capacity, than it's pointless to have that district in the first place if not to coax other entities to attack it - which is essentially putting it up on the chopping block to lose it...

Further more, if that's the case, why not just attack it with a dummy corp anyway? I'm making more (guaranteed) money from doing so, thereby I could just throw clones back and forth between two or more districts with two separate corporations - not like I'm making any money from them at maximum capacity anyway. It's Red vs Blue but with profit as the main selling point.

- Intercontinental matches where one of the two side actually benefits the server, imo, is a problem.

- Reinforcement windows at 12 ET? would you really attack them?

- Eve OS: you shouldn't be able to launch an OS as soon as you spawn in; this way batlles are simply decided Eve-Side.

Agree with first point

Agree with second point

Don't agree with third point. That's more of a matter of having superiority. Which should always be rewarded.

Removing ISK generation and fixing the refunding exploit would indeed solve district locking (with a profit), and certainly wouldn't promote it.

You wouldn't be able to just attack yourself either with a clone pack or from another district while making money from it.

If you're using clone packs it costs you 36m each attack and even if rewards were increased to for example 200k ISK per clone killed, you still wouldn't be able to make a profit.

If you're attacking from another district you might be able to make a small profit from each battle, but the attacking district can ALWAYS be attacked by anyone else.

PC does not need a complete redesign at this point. PC 2.0 shouldn't be too far of, so there's absolutely no reason to begin demanding huge changes to PC. At the moment PC just needs the few bandaid fixes in the form of removed ISK generation, fixed refunding exploit and possibly a ISK payout increase. Doing that would keep PC running at a reasonable level until it can be replaced by PC 2.0.

Edit: When I'm talking about removing ISK generation I wouldn't have a problem if it stayed at a symbolic value of 10-20k per clone sold. With 20k per clone it would be less than 2m ISK per district per day. Currently districts make 8m+ each day which is simply way too much.

TBH, being killed on spawning by an OB is a pretty **** mechanic. EVE support would still reward you with orbitals even if you weren't able to do it on match start.

TBH, being killed on spawning by an OB is a pretty **** mechanic. EVE support would still reward you with orbitals even if you weren't able to do it on match start.

Okay, here you're all saying that it would be good if they just fix this. But what about reinforcement windows? If the strongest asian corps made an alliance on their own they would be able to control any single district in molden heath.
It's easy: attack any district between 16 00 ET and 19 00 ET then set your reinforcement window at 10 or 12 ET. How would you "fix" that?

I jus liek mah 'plosions.

Just like Cronos tried to do?

Seriously though, what's the problem with that? Take the districts on the weekend and change the timer, or pay european or asian corps to take them? Or just don't lose your districts?

Removing ISK generation and fixing the refunding exploit would indeed solve district locking (with a profit), and certainly wouldn't promote it.

You wouldn't be able to just attack yourself either with a clone pack or from another district while making money from it.

If you're using clone packs it costs you 36m each attack and even if rewards were increased to for example 200k ISK per clone killed, you still wouldn't be able to make a profit.

If you're attacking from another district you might be able to make a small profit from each battle, but the attacking district can ALWAYS be attacked by anyone else.

PC does not need a complete redesign at this point. PC 2.0 shouldn't be too far of, so there's absolutely no reason to begin demanding huge changes to PC. At the moment PC just needs the few bandaid fixes in the form of removed ISK generation, fixed refunding exploit and possibly a ISK payout increase. Doing that would keep PC running at a reasonable level until it can be replaced by PC 2.0.

Edit: When I'm talking about removing ISK generation I wouldn't have a problem if it stayed at a symbolic value of 10-20k per clone sold. With 20k per clone it would be less than 2m ISK per district per day. Currently districts make 8m+ each day which is simply way too much.

Such stark opposition, disagreement and a general consensus all saying "remove ISK generation, increase ISK payouts". I don't think anyone really sat down and thought that out, at all.

How does it solve district locking if not promote it? If I am not making ISK from the selling of clones on a district filled to capacity, than it's pointless to have that district in the first place if not to coax other entities to attack it - which is essentially putting it up on the chopping block to lose it...

Further more, if that's the case, why not just attack it with a dummy corp anyway? I'm making more (guaranteed) money from doing so, thereby I could just throw clones back and forth between two or more districts with two separate corporations - not like I'm making any money from them at maximum capacity anyway. It's Red vs Blue but with profit as the main selling point.

And as far as the "minority" argument goes, I find it almost insulting. Let's go over a few of the "minority" aspects that were removed from the game because they didn't work as intended:

Marauder HAVs.
Black Ops HAVs.
Enforcer HAVs.
Remote Vehicle Armor Repairers/Shield Transporters
Corp Battles.

Those are just the ones I can name off the top of my head. Add Planetary Conquest to mix for the sake of "fixing it" and what we're left with is literally a game focusing on a terrible public match-maker which has received plenty of complaints and evidence that it is not working optimally, a faction warfare system which isn't self-sustaining and a three match new player academy. This game would become -more- a lobby shooter with little to no control over what kind of impact you have, leaving the only real "Eve/Dust Link" that would exist would be on sparse occasion in Faction Warfare.

Beyond that, you're killing off any aspect of the game's persistence; albeit the thin veil of territorial control in FW, I guess, could be considered that.

I'm against poorly thought out "band-aid" solutions that would do more harm than good and I'm starkly against removing more content from the game when it's likely to never return given the glacial pace of meaningful change that does occur in this game. Disagree how you may but at least do us the service of coming up with a viable solution.