Good,let's hope it's stops corps from printing money

So is anyone going to do the math for how much isk is going to be made off this with no risk?

Ill personally do AE's daily isk generation... Might even do all of RA as a whole.

So is anyone going to do the math for how much isk is going to be made off this with no risk?

Ill personally do AE's daily isk generation... Might even do all of RA as a whole.

Someone who doesn't understand.

You realise that by doing this, until CCP fixes it, not only are our districts completely safe and generating, but they are in fact generating more ISK by doing this.

Of course, you've nothing to worry about. This issue might actually be fixed when the devs get back from their holiday.
Don't hold your breath though. I fully expect that we'll be doing this for months. Can you guess how much ISK we'll generate in that time?

Im with others remove PC and never ever have a passive isk system again. I also strongly feel isk generated from locking should be taken off the corps otherwise they just have a silly advantage even more so when the player market comes out.

Going forword merc outfits should just be contractors if u want hold land get an EvE account and pay a merc unit -_-

I dont agree with a ban unless ccp made it clear this is an exploit but instead they said it was problem so no with ban not enough warning their.

It's something we're aware of, and we're working on fixing it. Can't give a date as Chinese New Year means most of Shanghai is on holidays starting about now.

I'm no game designer (yet) but I think a viable solution would be to say that the clones from clone pack are of a lower grade and can't be reimbursed, this way a clone pack used to attack a district isn't worth anything to the defender. If that doesn't work I'd escalate to reducing victory payouts.

I just don't get how hard it can be to remove ISK generation and fix the refunding exploit. Those two things would solve this problem right away. After that they can look at doing things like increasing the payout for winning.

They don't need to fix every single problem with PC as it's going to be deleted when PC 2.0 comes around. They just need to do those small bandaids.

It's also funny they were supposed to at least lower ISK generation (to 60k ISK per clone) three months ago, but for some unknown reason that has never happened. Just do these bandaid fixes and leave PC be until PC 2.0 or delete PC right now and forget it ever existed.

I always love reading the "remove 'x' content please" arguments. Last thing this game needs is less content - PC is the only thing that separates this game from a 100% match-maker shooter and, well, it just barely does that at the moment.

Removing ISK generation would just kill any reason to go into PC what-so-ever, the entire point of getting into PC is to make ISK and removing that defeats the entire purpose of a "risk vs reward" style gameplay. What we need is a more methodical way to go about it and one solution I really liked was having it so that clone packs could only be used to attack a district bordering a high-sec system. Gives a more tactical reason to have space in a certain area as opposed to just anywhere and it kills district locking all together in systems that -dont- border high-sec.

Only thing you need to do then is make it so that systems that can be attacked by those clone packs don't make any ISK from it; as previously stated. Gives players a reason and drive to push further into low-sec and more tactical space because otherwise they're subject to just constant attacks by just anyone and they don't make anything from it, only when their clones are at capacity in the district.

I always love reading the "remove 'x' content please" arguments.

I always love reading the "remove 'x' content please" arguments. Last thing this game needs is less content - PC is the only thing that separates this game from a 100% match-maker shooter and, well, it just barely does that at the moment.

Removing ISK generation would just kill any reason to go into PC what-so-ever, the entire point of getting into PC is to make ISK and removing that defeats the entire purpose of a "risk vs reward" style gameplay. What we need is a more methodical way to go about it and one solution I really liked was having it so that clone packs could only be used to attack a district bordering a high-sec system. Gives a more tactical reason to have space in a certain area as opposed to just anywhere and it kills district locking all together in systems that -dont- border high-sec.

Only thing you need to do then is make it so that systems that can be attacked by those clone packs don't make any ISK from it; as previously stated. Gives players a reason and drive to push further into low-sec and more tactical space because otherwise they're subject to just constant attacks by just anyone and they don't make anything from it, only when their clones are at capacity in the district.

I always love reading the "remove 'x' content please" arguments. Last thing this game needs is less content - PC is the only thing that separates this game from a 100% match-maker shooter and, well, it just barely does that at the moment.

Removing ISK generation would just kill any reason to go into PC what-so-ever, the entire point of getting into PC is to make ISK and removing that defeats the entire purpose of a "risk vs reward" style gameplay. What we need is a more methodical way to go about it and one solution I really liked was having it so that clone packs could only be used to attack a district bordering a high-sec system. Gives a more tactical reason to have space in a certain area as opposed to just anywhere and it kills district locking all together in systems that -dont- border high-sec.

Only thing you need to do then is make it so that systems that can be attacked by those clone packs don't make any ISK from it; as previously stated. Gives players a reason and drive to push further into low-sec and more tactical space because otherwise they're subject to just constant attacks by just anyone and they don't make anything from it, only when their clones are at capacity in the district.

PC is content for what percentage of the playerbase? Of that percentage of the playerbase, what percentage get to do something more than overpaid "privates"? Even beyond that, how much of that content is anything more than simply epeen waving and deciding who to farm with next or which newcomer to **** on first.

The percentage of the playerbase that actually participates in PC is inconsequentially small in comparison to the percentage that doesn't. They are the only ones that will miss it while CCP rebuilds it from the ground up. I am not even sure that any work done so far on PC 2.0 should even be kept since most likely they are moving forward with the same broken premises. The content CCP should focus on giving us is full racial parity. If anything else, I'd say that PvE should be a higher priority than PC in any shape, form or fashion. I would be willing to wait for a summer "expansion" that introduces raidable PvE as well as reintroducing PC (as a non-broken, Active source of Income Generation if we didn't need to worry about the currently broken system poisoning the rest of the game.

Personally, I think expanding on the idea I presented earlier in this thread would be the perfect start for a new PC. It would make PC something that would encourage conflict as well as introducing other elements that the community has been requesting for a long time, PvE, PvEvP, player market in addition to science & industry and who can forget the fact that it would entwine Dust and Eve further (offering services to capsuleers and mercs alike through the surface infrastructure)

For all of the talk of BPOs being a detriment to the Dust economy, they are a drop in the bucket compared to the isk that is generated from nothing everyday under the current PC mechanics. I am fairly certain that anyone who can't see or admit that is simply trying to protect their cash cow no matter what the longterm damage to the game may be.

Which is more important to you, being stupid rich in a game on life support; or giving up your golden goose before travelling down Dust's road to recovery?

PC is content for what percentage of the playerbase? Of that percentage of the playerbase, what percentage get to do something more than overpaid "privates"? Even beyond that, how much of that content is anything more than simply epeen waving and deciding who to farm with next or which newcomer to **** on first.

The percentage of the playerbase that actually participates in PC is inconsequentially small in comparison to the percentage that doesn't. They are the only ones that will miss it while CCP rebuilds it from the ground up. I am not even sure that any work done so far on PC 2.0 should even be kept since most likely they are moving forward with the same broken premises. The content CCP should focus on giving us is full racial parity. If anything else, I'd say that PvE should be a higher priority than PC in any shape, form or fashion. I would be willing to wait for a summer "expansion" that introduces raidable PvE as well as reintroducing PC (as a non-broken, Active source of Income Generation if we didn't need to worry about the currently broken system poisoning the rest of the game.

Personally, I think expanding on the idea I presented earlier in this thread would be the perfect start for a new PC. It would make PC something that would encourage conflict as well as introducing other elements that the community has been requesting for a long time, PvE, PvEvP, player market in addition to science & industry and who can forget the fact that it would entwine Dust and Eve further (offering services to capsuleers and mercs alike through the surface infrastructure)

For all of the talk of BPOs being a detriment to the Dust economy, they are a drop in the bucket compared to the isk that is generated from nothing everyday under the current PC mechanics. I am fairly certain that anyone who can't see or admit that is simply trying to protect their cash cow no matter what the longterm damage to the game may be.

Which is more important to you, being stupid rich in a game on life support; or giving up your golden goose before travelling down Dust's road to recovery?

It's something we're aware of, and we're working on fixing it. Can't give a date as Chinese New Year means most of Shanghai is on holidays starting about now.

Honestly PC is where you get to see this game shine. I mean really shine. Weapons are balanced, teams are working together, they are highly stressful situations but they are also A LOT of fun. PC is what this game should be balanced around as it is 16 v 16 in full proto, fully organized and working towards one objective. I truly wish the entire community had the opportunity to see that this game has so much more to offer beyond pubs.

PC should be the holy land for corps and the end game content for this game. PC in its current form is truly fun, CCP just needs to balance to the isk risk v reward system.