So is anyone going to do the math for how much isk is going to be made off this with no risk?

Ill personally do AE's daily isk generation... Might even do all of RA as a whole.

I always love reading the "remove 'x' content please" arguments. Last thing this game needs is less content - PC is the only thing that separates this game from a 100% match-maker shooter and, well, it just barely does that at the moment.

Removing ISK generation would just kill any reason to go into PC what-so-ever, the entire point of getting into PC is to make ISK and removing that defeats the entire purpose of a "risk vs reward" style gameplay. What we need is a more methodical way to go about it and one solution I really liked was having it so that clone packs could only be used to attack a district bordering a high-sec system. Gives a more tactical reason to have space in a certain area as opposed to just anywhere and it kills district locking all together in systems that -dont- border high-sec.

Only thing you need to do then is make it so that systems that can be attacked by those clone packs don't make any ISK from it; as previously stated. Gives players a reason and drive to push further into low-sec and more tactical space because otherwise they're subject to just constant attacks by just anyone and they don't make anything from it, only when their clones are at capacity in the district.

Such stark opposition, disagreement and a general consensus all saying "remove ISK generation, increase ISK payouts". I don't think anyone really sat down and thought that out, at all.

How does it solve district locking if not promote it? If I am not making ISK from the selling of clones on a district filled to capacity, than it's pointless to have that district in the first place if not to coax other entities to attack it - which is essentially putting it up on the chopping block to lose it...

Further more, if that's the case, why not just attack it with a dummy corp anyway? I'm making more (guaranteed) money from doing so, thereby I could just throw clones back and forth between two or more districts with two separate corporations - not like I'm making any money from them at maximum capacity anyway. It's Red vs Blue but with profit as the main selling point.

Okay, here you're all saying that it would be good if they just fix this. But what about reinforcement windows? If the strongest asian corps made an alliance on their own they would be able to control any single district in molden heath.
It's easy: attack any district between 16 00 ET and 19 00 ET then set your reinforcement window at 10 or 12 ET. How would you "fix" that?

It's not just he 200k isk per clone; there's usually a baseline 1,000,000 per player active. Fielding a 16 man team and killing off all 120 clones would net you a 4m ISK profit.

And yes, the attacking district can always be attacked by anyone else - including your dummy corp that you're using to lock up the districts in the first place.

There's no easy way out of this, you can't just up and remove ISK generation without giving some other reason for having territory in the first place. Two million a day would cover the losses of perhaps three, maybe four people who took the time out of their day to defend it. The entire reason the ISK generation was increased to begin with was because people were losing more ISK than they were gaining, which I usually don't have much of a problem with but the band-aid proposed doesn't give any incentive to do PC at all. Corporations would be exhausting more effort to keep the districts than they were worth.

It's been eight months. At this point, we're long overdue for the meaningful interaction PC was supposed to provide; so it's not out of the realm of belief to want to see that happen. I'm a patient guy though, and I know PC 2.0 likely isn't going to come for at least another few months - on the other hand, the band aid applied shouldn't be yet another knee jerk reaction to people getting riled up and screaming "remove" or "nerf". This needs to be handled with a scalpel and none of the solutions proposed here are scalpel changes.

You're suggesting vehicles killed don't affect isk payouts?

Brosef, I've been doing PC for months now - I know how much I make when the other team no-shows with a clone pack. You still get paid a hefty amount. And the whole bit about attacking the attacking district with a dummy corp is really very simple when you're still making money from the clones you sent to the defending district in the first place. You increase the payout from the win and you're just refunding them the money anyway because you -already- get plenty of ISK from a no-show on a clone pack as it is.

Removing passive ISK Generation would be a bad idea. It's nice when you have people to attack and when people are attacking you but a lot of good it's going to do you when you don't, you'll just have this block in space with your name on it being worthless. It's basically forcing corporations and alliances to fight unnecessarily, there's no reason to do it other than "for the **** of it", that doesn't make any sense at all and there is no system in Eve Online or Dust 514 that goes off of that system.

Passive ISK Generation isn't "insanely stupid", it's actually rather smart considering that you don't want them to spend extra time on PC. It gives corporations a -reason- to do PC and a reason to have districts while we wait for a way to make ISK with work involved (PvE in Null-sec Sovereignty being a primary example). Band-aids need to be applied, sure, but the band-aid your suggesting just turns PC into pub-matches where you have to start your own battles and wait a day or two before they happen.

"Edit2: Passive ISK generation should never even have been implemented, so I really have no idea why you're even defending it now."

^ This is personal incredulity.

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