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Bendtner92 wrote:

Aeon Amadi wrote:

Such stark opposition, disagreement and a general consensus all saying "remove ISK generation, increase ISK payouts". I don't think anyone really sat down and thought that out, at all.

How does it solve district locking if not promote it? If I am not making ISK from the selling of clones on a district filled to capacity, than it's pointless to have that district in the first place if not to coax other entities to attack it - which is essentially putting it up on the chopping block to lose it...

Further more, if that's the case, why not just attack it with a dummy corp anyway? I'm making more (guaranteed) money from doing so, thereby I could just throw clones back and forth between two or more districts with two separate corporations - not like I'm making any money from them at maximum capacity anyway. It's Red vs Blue but with profit as the main selling point.

Removing ISK generation and fixing the refunding exploit would indeed solve district locking (with a profit), and certainly wouldn't promote it.

You wouldn't be able to just attack yourself either with a clone pack or from another district while making money from it.

If you're using clone packs it costs you 36m each attack and even if rewards were increased to for example 200k ISK per clone killed, you still wouldn't be able to make a profit.

If you're attacking from another district you might be able to make a small profit from each battle, but the attacking district can ALWAYS be attacked by anyone else.

PC does not need a complete redesign at this point. PC 2.0 shouldn't be too far of, so there's absolutely no reason to begin demanding huge changes to PC. At the moment PC just needs the few bandaid fixes in the form of removed ISK generation, fixed refunding exploit and possibly a ISK payout increase. Doing that would keep PC running at a reasonable level until it can be replaced by PC 2.0.

Edit: When I'm talking about removing ISK generation I wouldn't have a problem if it stayed at a symbolic value of 10-20k per clone sold. With 20k per clone it would be less than 2m ISK per district per day. Currently districts make 8m+ each day which is simply way too much.

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xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation 1605	Posted - 2014.01.30 14:02:00 - [1] - Quote Former Eon and Cronos corps are pretty rich because of the huge ISK Farm. Nyan San, I don't even want to do a ISK per Day calculation, same for AE. It's a bad game design (hell, even reinforcements windows are exploitable), they should just scratch it and rebuild it from the ground up. Anyone saying that PC is good the way it is now is just trying to protect his own interests. Tank 514.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation 1620	Posted - 2014.02.01 16:23:00 - [2] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: The only issue right now with PC is the locking. Once this is fixed I see no problem. - Intercontinental matches where one of the two side actually benefits the server, imo, is a problem. - Reinforcement windows at 12 ET? would you really attack them? - Eve OS: you shouldn't be able to launch an OS as soon as you spawn in; this way batlles are simply decided Eve-Side. Tank 514.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation 1620	Posted - 2014.02.01 16:53:00 - [3] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Such stark opposition, disagreement and a general consensus all saying "remove ISK generation, increase ISK payouts". I don't think anyone really sat down and thought that out, at all. How does it solve district locking if not promote it? If I am not making ISK from the selling of clones on a district filled to capacity, than it's pointless to have that district in the first place if not to coax other entities to attack it - which is essentially putting it up on the chopping block to lose it... Further more, if that's the case, why not just attack it with a dummy corp anyway? I'm making more (guaranteed) money from doing so, thereby I could just throw clones back and forth between two or more districts with two separate corporations - not like I'm making any money from them at maximum capacity anyway. It's Red vs Blue but with profit as the main selling point. Removing ISK generation and fixing the refunding exploit would indeed solve district locking (with a profit), and certainly wouldn't promote it. You wouldn't be able to just attack yourself either with a clone pack or from another district while making money from it. If you're using clone packs it costs you 36m each attack and even if rewards were increased to for example 200k ISK per clone killed, you still wouldn't be able to make a profit. If you're attacking from another district you might be able to make a small profit from each battle, but the attacking district can ALWAYS be attacked by anyone else. PC does not need a complete redesign at this point. PC 2.0 shouldn't be too far of, so there's absolutely no reason to begin demanding huge changes to PC. At the moment PC just needs the few bandaid fixes in the form of removed ISK generation, fixed refunding exploit and possibly a ISK payout increase. Doing that would keep PC running at a reasonable level until it can be replaced by PC 2.0. Edit: When I'm talking about removing ISK generation I wouldn't have a problem if it stayed at a symbolic value of 10-20k per clone sold. With 20k per clone it would be less than 2m ISK per district per day. Currently districts make 8m+ each day which is simply way too much. Okay, here you're all saying that it would be good if they just fix this. But what about reinforcement windows? If the strongest asian corps made an alliance on their own they would be able to control any single district in molden heath. It's easy: attack any district between 16 00 ET and 19 00 ET then set your reinforcement window at 10 or 12 ET. How would you "fix" that? Tank 514.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation 1620	Posted - 2014.02.01 17:31:00 - [4] - Quote I do agree with you on certain points: they shouldn't focus resources on PC anymore. But they also shouldn't let people exploit that. I edited the message, you probably didn't read it. Bendtner92 wrote: Just like Cronos tried to do? Not at all. As far as I remember we have been very vulnerable to Asian TZ. EU based corps cannot have a safe spot, or at least a reinforcement window where only other eu corps can actually attack. Bendtner92 wrote: Seriously though, what's the problem with that? Take the districts on the weekend and change the timer, or pay european or asian corps to take them? Or just don't lose your districts? That's the problem, my friend. You can actually pay some other corp in order to take a district fo you, yes you can. You can even change the timer of course. The entire problem lies here: a decent EU timer, for me, is 17 00 ET. But then, I would suffer both Asian and EU attacks. Let's try again: 18 00 ET is still decent for EU. But again, you would suffer attacks from EU, Asia and early easter americans. 19 00 ET slowly turning Americas timezone. 20 00 ET Americas TZ. Tank 514.