In every other console shooter I play, I turn AA off. It usually makes tracking sluggish and you can't shoot perpendicular moving targets crisply.

Same as in DUST. AA makes it hard to track a speedy opponent. Especially since hipfire has AA for whatever reason.

However, in DUST, AA is needed. The hit detection and latency is still far to inferior. Watching yellow scrambler rounds go through people like they're ghosts is frustrating.

Think about the fact that you can strafe through bullets. Who the f*ck can dodge bullets!? Its an exploit of lousy hit detection and bullet registration that's turned into a fine art in this game, so in a way it adds a psudoskill element.

i disagree that aa is needed in the average match hit detection is spotless for me and i see no latency unless i am playing somewhere or with someone where there is latency which with ccp's new latency bars in squad finder..is easily avoidable..

aa is NOT NEEDED IN DUST

Sorry, but no. I've seen videos of it 'working' on youtube. Whether mine is turned on or off it does not do anything whatsoever.

On the other hand I've noticed that certain players are incredibly accurate with the Laser Rifle (not so much of an issue anymore) and the beam seems to be permanently linked to me even as I jump and shimy around.

When I say, Aim Assist does not work on all Clients, that is exactly what I mean.

That is information to the opposite, if they could just about hit you enough to keep you near death that's evidence to suggest AA is fine, if it was to strong then they wouldmhave cruahed you in under a second.

wait you went in FW and starting TKing people who are trying to help your side win by using the most effective setups.

its assholes like you that have ruined dust and make it pointless to play anymore

Aim assist differs between weapons. For example shotguns have practically no aim assist while AR's have a more noticeable aim assist. Also I still highly doubt that it only works for some people or else this problem would be much more widespread (You're the first I've heard that AA didn't work for and I check these forums daily)

If you truly think aim assist doesn't work on your client then reinstall and it will work then. If it doesn't it actually is you're just not noticing it.

actually I would argue its assholes like him that keep this game from being completely unplayable, proto qsynced squads can get ******.

I agree about TTK, however, I think the areas of solution have been identified by CCP but not yet implemented. They talked about raising EHP across suits, lowering weapon damage across the board, and increasing speed. I think they need to do a little bit of all 3, but in small increments.

http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/12/

I stand by statement, what's more shocking is that your so self centred its acutely beyond you to understand why im pissed off.

being from the US does help though being the land that spouts freedom bullshit as long its YOUR version of the freedom not acutelly allowing people to play how they want, man im impressed i don't rattled very easy but your like the embodiment of everything that is wrong with this community along with others that FF their own side simply for trying to win

First of all don't say Aim Assist and bullet magnetism. Bullet magnetism is apart of aim assist not a function of itself.

Second Aim Assist should not be removed unless KBM is too.

Third bullet magnetism is the only thing making aim assist too powerful. All of the other functions help make aiming smoother.

EDIT: Hit detection is still not that good especially when compared to most good FPS's. Also Aim Assist does not aim for the head. Aim assist doesn't aim for you at all. In fact aim assist actually hurts you more then helps when trying to get headshots most of the time.

Oh boy, another one of those people.

No. Leave the dirty mousers alone.

I say this as someone who exclusively uses DS3.



lol

Get reticle over enemy
Begin firing and release right thumbstick
LOLOLOL as your crosshair is sucked up to the enemy's head by the recoil of your gun and then held there by AA
?????
Profit

It took most players all of fifteen minutes to figure out how to abuse the completely broken AA when it was reintroduced. The fact that some of you AA defenders still haven't figured it out goes to show the rest of us why you're defending it in the first place.

I went into a faction warfare and was paired up with a corp q syncing. these guys were rocking the fotm setups either heavies or gall logis with rail rifles, so pretty much i started team killing them. i was in a speedy shotgunner class. Here's how i know AA is way too strong; i had at least 4 of them shooting at me with their rail rifles and they could not kill me. they could hit me, break half way into my armor, but they couldn't kill me.

Don't believe me? go try it.

I'm thinking the TTK issue would be little bit better if they either fully removed AA or at least make it only available while aiming.

even though i have lost complete faith in CCP i will still post my thoughts in case they hire someone who gives a damn.

i disagree that aa is needed in the average match hit detection is spotless for me and i see no latency unless i am playing somewhere or with someone where there is latency which with ccp's new latency bars in squad finder..is easily avoidable..

aa is NOT NEEDED IN DUST

+1 TEXA5 HiTM4N. I'm glad you posted your story, it's valuable data.

This also shows something else just as important, prolly more important than the fact peeps are over-reliant on AA.

It shows the state of the raw controls - still fairly awkward and clunky.

This 'AAA FPS' with 'Engaging minute-to-minute visceral gameplay.' will remain strictly mickey mouse until the controls are dealt with.

Oh okay. You don't have any problems, so the game is fine.
Gotcha.


If you don't think AA is needed, I'll fix the USB port on my PS3 and go back to using kb/m... then you'll wish you had it.
I'll assume that you use AA too. AA is not this super crutch everyone think it is. It never has been. It was just to balance out the the lack of precision a controller has vs kb/m when shooters came off PCs and onto consoles. It cuts off the natural sloppyness that comes with controllers. Hence why PC gamers don't use controllers on PC games without AA; its suicidal.

AA is not a aim bot that snaps onto a target. It just traces a profile and slows down the sights and tugs it along. Does it get annoying when you're shooting someone and all the sudden your sight goes to the next target before you finish shooting the first guy, yes. But AA also exists for the reason of hit detection.

the CR has magnetic bullets... didnt u read the Matari Handbook?

I still run bpo suits but where the hell are they suppose to run proto if not in FW, PC is a small club, so unless your trying to reinforce pubs as the proto haven, then the logic is backwards

Well put.

I HATE AA, every type of it. I think it artificially raises the talent floor too high. Unfortunately, the talent ceiling is undeniably higher with a precision controller versus an acceleration based one. So I do understand the issue here. IF you want mouse and keyboard without an acceleration based emulation layer, then you want aim assist.

Oh and to everyone who wants mouse/kb gone... well there are people who are cheaters that buy devices like the FragFX to enjoy mouse/kb WITH aim assists. Take away the mouse and keyboard support and more people will buy these gameshark-type controllers.

Until CCP can guarantee a level playing field controller wise, CCP has to try to cater to everyone. This of course means less than ideal conditions for everyone.

I agree 100% that aim assist should be removed, however I don't think we should muddle the TTK issue with aim assist.

All aim assist is doing is increasing the frequency at which mediocre players are applying the full theoretical damage of a rifle. The problem is that the theoretical DPS of every rifle is simply too high, and would still massacre people in the hands of good players.

That said, Aim Assist should be removed not because of the TTK issue, but because it greatly diminishes the advantage of those who practice their gun game, and makes it almost a moot point to try and out-juke an enemy during a fire fight. That removes the reward for practicing and improving your skills, for the benefit of the undedicated passer-by.

Aiming, Moving, Jumping, Strafing... that's what makes up the core mechanics of all shooters, and Aim Assist removes all of that from the mix.

If you want Aim Assist, you are playing the wrong genre.

Strange. Because almost every single game in the genre uses some form of AA.

What many don't know, is that even if you turn AA off Dust, there is still an aim assist working in the backround for you.

There will always be aim assist as long as consoles use gamepads to play with, because tilting analog sticks to simulate cohesive movements on an X and Y axis is in no way efficient for precise aiming.

Every FPS giant currently out uses AA, and almost every FPS giant in the past used AA. Unreal tournament did not until they released on the console. Then they only disabled the AA for sponsored tournaments with cash prizes. Unreal was also the only games that comes to mind that fully removed all forms of AA when turned off.

As long as this game remains on a console, it will have some form of aim assist. DS3 users have to get over the fact that KB/M will always exist in this game, as well as you ignorant fools who think this is the first FPS game to use AA.

They both are here to stay indefinitely. And both need to be heavily worked on.

Edit - This old post might help you understand.

Eedit - A discussion I found.

Eeedit - Oh my, another one.

I thought this was the only community who was blatantly ignorant about AA, however the CS crowd seems equally biased towards wanting an advantage. Imagine that.

I agree 100% that aim assist should be removed, however I don't think we should muddle the TTK issue with aim assist.

All aim assist is doing is increasing the frequency at which mediocre players are applying the full theoretical damage of a rifle. The problem is that the theoretical DPS of every rifle is simply too high, and would still massacre people in the hands of good players.

That said, Aim Assist should be removed not because of the TTK issue, but because it greatly diminishes the advantage of those who practice their gun game, and makes it almost a moot point to try and out-juke an enemy during a fire fight. That removes the reward for practicing and improving your skills, for the benefit of the undedicated passer-by.

Aiming, Moving, Jumping, Strafing... that's what makes up the core mechanics of all shooters, and Aim Assist removes all of that from the mix.

If you want Aim Assist, you are playing the wrong genre.

Allow AA for unaltered starter outfits.

Possibly allow it for when scan precision of the shooter < scan profile of the target. That means you get AA only if your suit can get a lock. Do not allow active scanners to do this unless a scanner user also lights up like a submarine actively pinging.