DUST Search - for those who say AA is not a factor

Duran Lex wrote:

KA24DERT wrote:

I agree 100% that aim assist should be removed, however I don't think we should muddle the TTK issue with aim assist.

All aim assist is doing is increasing the frequency at which mediocre players are applying the full theoretical damage of a rifle. The problem is that the theoretical DPS of every rifle is simply too high, and would still massacre people in the hands of good players.

That said, Aim Assist should be removed not because of the TTK issue, but because it greatly diminishes the advantage of those who practice their gun game, and makes it almost a moot point to try and out-juke an enemy during a fire fight. That removes the reward for practicing and improving your skills, for the benefit of the undedicated passer-by.

Aiming, Moving, Jumping, Strafing... that's what makes up the core mechanics of all shooters, and Aim Assist removes all of that from the mix.

If you want Aim Assist, you are playing the wrong genre.

Strange. Because almost every single game in the genre uses some form of AA.

What many don't know, is that even if you turn AA off Dust, there is still an aim assist working in the backround for you.

There will always be aim assist as long as consoles use gamepads to play with, because tilting analog sticks to simulate cohesive movements on an X and Y axis is in no way efficient for precise aiming.

Every FPS giant currently out uses AA, and almost every FPS giant in the past used AA. Unreal tournament did not until they released on the console. Then they only disabled the AA for sponsored tournaments with cash prizes. Unreal was also the only games that comes to mind that fully removed all forms of AA when turned off.

As long as this game remains on a console, it will have some form of aim assist. DS3 users have to get over the fact that KB/M will always exist in this game, as well as you ignorant fools who think this is the first FPS game to use AA.

They both are here to stay indefinitely. And both need to be heavily worked on.

Edit - This old post might help you understand.

Eedit - A discussion I found.

Eeedit - Oh my, another one.

I thought this was the only community who was blatantly ignorant about AA, however the CS crowd seems equally biased towards wanting an advantage. Imagine that.


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KA24DERT TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 463	Posted - 2014.01.31 18:31:00 - [1] - Quote I agree 100% that aim assist should be removed, however I don't think we should muddle the TTK issue with aim assist. All aim assist is doing is increasing the frequency at which mediocre players are applying the full theoretical damage of a rifle. The problem is that the theoretical DPS of every rifle is simply too high, and would still massacre people in the hands of good players. That said, Aim Assist should be removed not because of the TTK issue, but because it greatly diminishes the advantage of those who practice their gun game, and makes it almost a moot point to try and out-juke an enemy during a fire fight. That removes the reward for practicing and improving your skills, for the benefit of the undedicated passer-by. Aiming, Moving, Jumping, Strafing... that's what makes up the core mechanics of all shooters, and Aim Assist removes all of that from the mix. If you want Aim Assist, you are playing the wrong genre.
KA24DERT TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 463	Posted - 2014.02.01 04:55:00 - [2] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: KA24DERT wrote: I agree 100% that aim assist should be removed, however I don't think we should muddle the TTK issue with aim assist. All aim assist is doing is increasing the frequency at which mediocre players are applying the full theoretical damage of a rifle. The problem is that the theoretical DPS of every rifle is simply too high, and would still massacre people in the hands of good players. That said, Aim Assist should be removed not because of the TTK issue, but because it greatly diminishes the advantage of those who practice their gun game, and makes it almost a moot point to try and out-juke an enemy during a fire fight. That removes the reward for practicing and improving your skills, for the benefit of the undedicated passer-by. Aiming, Moving, Jumping, Strafing... that's what makes up the core mechanics of all shooters, and Aim Assist removes all of that from the mix. If you want Aim Assist, you are playing the wrong genre. Strange. Because almost every single game in the genre uses some form of AA. What many don't know, is that even if you turn AA off Dust, there is still an aim assist working in the backround for you. There will always be aim assist as long as consoles use gamepads to play with, because tilting analog sticks to simulate cohesive movements on an X and Y axis is in no way efficient for precise aiming. Every FPS giant currently out uses AA, and almost every FPS giant in the past used AA. Unreal tournament did not until they released on the console. Then they only disabled the AA for sponsored tournaments with cash prizes. Unreal was also the only games that comes to mind that fully removed all forms of AA when turned off. As long as this game remains on a console, it will have some form of aim assist. DS3 users have to get over the fact that KB/M will always exist in this game, as well as you ignorant fools who think this is the first FPS game to use AA. They both are here to stay indefinitely. And both need to be heavily worked on. Edit - This old post might help you understand. Eedit - A discussion I found. Eeedit - Oh my, another one. I thought this was the only community who was blatantly ignorant about AA, however the CS crowd seems equally biased towards wanting an advantage. Imagine that. You're basing your argument on a appeal to a recent tradition, and as proof that the tradition is necessary, you link to a Dev Blog that also appeals to tradition, and then you link to two random forum threads where some of the posters actually say they are fine without Aim Assist (Killzone players). And in your stream-of-consciousness up there, you say that in a tournament situation for a game AA was disabled. Shouldn't that tell you something? Aim Assist is a kludge meant to make FPS games playable by the unskilled and unmotivated. This isn't a problem in a single player setting, but it is a problem in a competitive setting, especially in a game like Dust where lasting consequences are lurking around every corner. Before aim assist was turned on, the leaderboards were still rocked by DS3 users, and while the mouse may provide an advantage(in an ideal form, not the current horrible controls) it isn't enough to justify granting an advantage to another control scheme which turns everyone into a sharp shooter. It doesn't matter how many games use AA, it's a bad idea for a competitive shooter.