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Kane Fyea 2567	Posted - 2014.01.26 22:43:00 - [1] - Quote Marad''er wrote: AA and bullet magnetism need to go. This would bring back speed tanking. Another way to make scouts good again. This would also discourage the armor plate max hp stacking on suits. Right now, low strafe speed doesn't matter THAT much because its hard to dodge bullets while strafing. AA and Bullet magnetism off would get strafing back in the game and people would fill their low slots with something that doesn't hinder speed And most importantly, I'll finally like this game. First of all don't say Aim Assist and bullet magnetism. Bullet magnetism is apart of aim assist not a function of itself. Second Aim Assist should not be removed unless KBM is too. Third bullet magnetism is the only thing making aim assist too powerful. All of the other functions help make aiming smoother. EDIT: Hit detection is still not that good especially when compared to most good FPS's. Also Aim Assist does not aim for the head. Aim assist doesn't aim for you at all. In fact aim assist actually hurts you more then helps when trying to get headshots most of the time.
Kane Fyea 2568	Posted - 2014.01.27 00:16:00 - [2] - Quote Arrach Sarkal wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Second Aim Assist should not be removed unless KBM is too. You seem to be under the impression that the current Dust 514 implementation of KBM controls is competent. Don't worry, it's not - it's frankly pretty embarrassing. If you want to imagine how well KBM operates in Dust, imagine your controller was several times more sluggish to respond than it is already and you could only use it while wearing giant treacle filled sponge hands. (And there is no AA.) It doesnt matter because one of these days KBM will be implemented well. You cant balance everything around what we have now you have to think about the future. There's so many problems that could have fixed themselves if CCP simply did not change it in drastic ways. Hell right now I can deal with giving you guys raw input as long as aim assist stays. (Although yes bullet magnetism is currently too high in my opinion)
Kane Fyea 2568	Posted - 2014.01.27 00:25:00 - [3] - Quote Scalesdini wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Also Aim Assist does not aim for the head. Aim assist doesn't aim for you at all. In fact aim assist actually hurts you more then helps when trying to get headshots most of the time. lol Get reticle over enemy Begin firing and release right thumbstick LOLOLOL as your crosshair is sucked up to the enemy's head by the recoil of your gun and then held there by AA ????? Profit It took most players all of fifteen minutes to figure out how to abuse the completely broken AA when it was reintroduced. The fact that some of you AA defenders still haven't figured it out goes to show the rest of us why you're defending it in the first place. That's called bad implementation of aim assist. It does need tweaked but it doesn't need to go (Mostly the bullet magnetism needs tweaked). You guys are so quick to call something game breaking when really its not that game breaking. Yes it needs to be tweaked but not removed. Also this is not me wanting to keep my crutch (I did just fine before aim assist was implemented. In fact I'm doing worst then before because I get killed faster by randoms with aim assist) this is me trying to help the new player experience since right now the player retention for this game is absolutely horrible and all removing aim assist would do is simply make new players quit faster (Especially considering the bad hit detection, aiming, and movement this game has. Really the bullet magnetism makes hit detection look fine when really it is pretty bad. Aim assist has also helped compensate for the bad aiming this game has) But of course anything that makes someone die must be game breaking right?
Kane Fyea 2568	Posted - 2014.01.27 00:42:00 - [4] - Quote Also I like the idea of only allowing aim assist in pubs and maybe a weaker version in FW and then none in PC.
Kane Fyea 2568	Posted - 2014.01.27 01:00:00 - [5] - Quote Denn Maell wrote: On principle AA should be removed simply for the fact that some client's aim assist simply doesn't work. Mine won't and I can't seem to care. However, if AA is so powerful it 'aims for you' and its not an option for everyone then in the interest of fair play ALONE it should be removed. It works for everyone (Does not apply to KBM. Not sure if it applies to the move). People just like to exaggerate the power of aim assist to make their arguments look more credible.
Kane Fyea 2568	Posted - 2014.01.27 01:24:00 - [6] - Quote Scalesdini wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Scalesdini wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Also Aim Assist does not aim for the head. Aim assist doesn't aim for you at all. In fact aim assist actually hurts you more then helps when trying to get headshots most of the time. lol Get reticle over enemy Begin firing and release right thumbstick LOLOLOL as your crosshair is sucked up to the enemy's head by the recoil of your gun and then held there by AA ????? Profit It took most players all of fifteen minutes to figure out how to abuse the completely broken AA when it was reintroduced. The fact that some of you AA defenders still haven't figured it out goes to show the rest of us why you're defending it in the first place. That's called bad implementation of aim assist. It does need tweaked but it doesn't need to go (Mostly the bullet magnetism needs tweaked). You guys are so quick to call something game breaking when really its not that game breaking. Yes it needs to be tweaked but not removed. Also this is not me wanting to keep my crutch (I did just fine before aim assist was implemented. In fact I'm doing worst then before because I get killed faster by randoms with aim assist) this is me trying to help the new player experience since right now the player retention for this game is absolutely horrible and all removing aim assist would do is simply make new players quit faster (Especially considering the bad hit detection, aiming, and movement this game has. Really the bullet magnetism makes hit detection look fine when really it is pretty bad. Aim assist has also helped compensate for the bad aiming this game has) But of course anything that makes someone die must be game breaking right? EDIT: I also think Aim assist shouldn't be very strong at all when not ADS. Of all the things shitting on the new player experience, AA rates pretty low on the list... Arbitrary weekly SP cap preventing newbros from fielding competitive suits for months Total lack of any sort of meaningful tutorials/guides in the game Academy is lulzy at best Broken as hell matchmaking Completely unbalanced weapons Considering all of that, AA is a non-issue when it comes to new players, especially those with any sort of shooter experience. AA needs nerfed, and then made into a module for either high or low slots. That way people can have their crutch AA, it will make sense lore wise, will make sense gameplay balance wise, and will encourage people to actually get better so that they can fit something else in that slot. Yea no. Tweak it and then you ready to go. (Lower bullet magnetism and make it so it doesn't aim for you like most other shooters which I have yet to experience but you obviously know everything about aim assist right?) Also aim assist helps the new player experience a lot considering that the biggest problem with the NPE is pub stomping. Aim assist allows new players to compete better, but of course those other issues you pointed out do need to be fixed ASAP. (Although you cant make good matchmaking with a playerbase this small unless you want to wait over 5 minutes to be put into a match)
Kane Fyea 2568	Posted - 2014.01.27 01:26:00 - [7] - Quote Whisperen Sub wrote: Aim assist killed scouts and the great gun game we used to have its now just flip a scan and have a ehp/dps race in short the games more frustrating and boring then ever before. That's not the only reason. Overall performance improvements made the TTK low not just the AA.
Kane Fyea 2568	Posted - 2014.01.27 01:40:00 - [8] - Quote Denn Maell wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Denn Maell wrote: On principle AA should be removed simply for the fact that some client's aim assist simply doesn't work. Mine won't and I can't seem to care. However, if AA is so powerful it 'aims for you' and its not an option for everyone then in the interest of fair play ALONE it should be removed. It works for everyone (Does not apply to KBM. Not sure if it applies to the move). People just like to exaggerate the power of aim assist to make their arguments look more credible. Sorry, but no. I've seen videos of it 'working' on youtube. Whether mine is turned on or off it does not do anything whatsoever. On the other hand I've noticed that certain players are incredibly accurate with the Laser Rifle (not so much of an issue anymore) and the beam seems to be permanently linked to me even as I jump and shimy around. When I say, Aim Assist does not work on all Clients, that is exactly what I mean. Aim assist differs between weapons. For example shotguns have practically no aim assist while AR's have a more noticeable aim assist. Also I still highly doubt that it only works for some people or else this problem would be much more widespread (You're the first I've heard that AA didn't work for and I check these forums daily) If you truly think aim assist doesn't work on your client then reinstall and it will work then. If it doesn't it actually is you're just not noticing it.

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