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Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5718	Posted - 2014.01.19 16:11:00 - [1] - Quote I absolutely cannot believe I'm saying this. Disclaimer: I am not saying "OMG THIS IS OP NERF IT NOW!", but I'm saying it's going to be interesting to say the least. We don't know the new medium frame stats so this might all go down the drain. All of those little buffs to scouts makes it extremely attractive as a combat suit in comparison to an assault suit. Pros: They're going to be able to avoid adv scanners without a single skill point, making flanking a thing Two equipment Higher speed Cloaks Smaller targets/hitboxes Vastly superior regeneration Higher jump height = Overall better mobility Cons: 100~ less base HP One less slot Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Consider, for example, that the Cal scout can get 450 shields with a 50 HP/s regen and a 2s recharge delay. Honestly the more I think about it, the less ridiculous the 10% ROF bonus on assaults sounds Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1209	Posted - 2014.01.19 16:18:00 - [2] - Quote Finally a reason to use my dragonfly again. "Always fight dirty, the victor writes history" Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2248	Posted - 2014.01.19 16:20:00 - [3] - Quote Are you QQ because 360scan514 is over and flanking can actually happen? Intelligence is OP
Bones McGavins TacoCat Industries 420	Posted - 2014.01.19 16:20:00 - [4] - Quote Agreed. Even without cloak, unless assault fittings are drastically changed, the scout looks to be the next big thing. The inherent ability to slip under advanced scanners without ANY mods is huge. Plus smaller hitbox, speed, stamina and an extra equipment? eHP on even the advanced suits, without sacrificing speed is in the mid 500s. You allow for speed sacrifice and its more like 700-800 (still a lot faster than most assaults at like 5.0/7.3). Im fine with this, as I run a minmitar assault with dampeners to get my stealthy (sorta speedy) combat on. So ill be able to slide right in to one of the new scouts and go to town.
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1498	Posted - 2014.01.19 16:21:00 - [5] - Quote I'm not sure if I really agree with this or not. I'm glad that Scouts got a buff they really needed and still think Assaults will be better overall for slaying, although the Scout will be quite good as well. I don't know, maybe they should've waited with giving the Scouts the extra low or high slot they've been given until we've seen how Scouts would be like after the other buffs. The other buffs include: 1 extra Equipment slot. The ability to use Cloaks (Assaults can as well, but will sacrifice their entire fitting). More CPU and PG. 10 dB lower Scan Profile. 4m longer Scan Range Maybe something else I've forgot about. Could they have just done those and then added the extra low or high slot IF the Scouts needed it? Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers!
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1609	Posted - 2014.01.19 16:22:00 - [6] - Quote The Gallente scout won't be so bad since it's going to be the slowest scout and the one with the lowest passive repair. But that Caldari scout with a complex armor repper and 40 hp/s is going to be god like. As soon as he is off your screen he will be at full HP. Armor and Shields are not the same!
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5719	Posted - 2014.01.19 16:23:00 - [7] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Are you QQ because 360scan514 is over and flanking can actually happen? Actually Taka I am one of the main supporters of a scanner nerf. I made multiple threads saying how bullshit it is, and I don't ever use it myself. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1209	Posted - 2014.01.19 16:23:00 - [8] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Are you QQ because 360scan514 is over and flanking can actually happen? Where in the op does it say they're complaining about these changes? "Always fight dirty, the victor writes history" Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5719	Posted - 2014.01.19 16:25:00 - [9] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Are you QQ because 360scan514 is over and flanking can actually happen? Where in the op does it say they're complaining about these changes? Don't mind him, he's butthurt at me because I'm against tanks Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1209	Posted - 2014.01.19 16:28:00 - [10] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Are you QQ because 360scan514 is over and flanking can actually happen? Where in the op does it say they're complaining about these changes? Don't mind him, he's butthurt at me because I'm against tanks I know, he's upset because people realize tanks are pretty unbalanced right now. "Always fight dirty, the victor writes history" Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy

THE GREY CARDINAL PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 425	Posted - 2014.01.19 16:29:00 - [11] - Quote It's natural, it's a huge change up to tactics, tech and game play. I'll be there day 1 but I'm not really interested in stealth killing stuff so much, just allows me be all Sun Tzu up in this ***** somewhat better. Gal & Min scout-to-be . Electronic Warfare GOD in the making
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2248	Posted - 2014.01.19 16:30:00 - [12] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Are you QQ because 360scan514 is over and flanking can actually happen? Where in the op does it say they're complaining about these changes? Don't mind him, he's butthurt at me because I'm against tanks lol i dont mind if bad players are against tanks Intelligence is OP
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10162	Posted - 2014.01.19 16:32:00 - [13] - Quote It's been a long time since I've been a dedicated scout, OP or UP, if we get a full infantry respec with 1.8, Gallente Scout is where I'll be at. Alpha damage for days. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Dropship Pilot
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5720	Posted - 2014.01.19 16:32:00 - [14] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Are you QQ because 360scan514 is over and flanking can actually happen? Where in the op does it say they're complaining about these changes? Don't mind him, he's butthurt at me because I'm against tanks lol i dont mind if bad players are against tanks Bet ya if you go infantry I will smack you over and over again until you cry Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Aisha Ctarl Pradox One Proficiency V. 2927	Posted - 2014.01.19 16:33:00 - [15] - Quote I for one will be going Amarr scout because it is what I've wanted to play my entire DUST career, it simply wasn't available to me. Aisha Ctarl for CPM1
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 4054	Posted - 2014.01.19 16:33:00 - [16] - Quote Even Watts said he's going Gallente Scout after 1.8 :I Winner of at least 9 King ThunderBolt hate videos :D
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2248	Posted - 2014.01.19 16:36:00 - [17] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Are you QQ because 360scan514 is over and flanking can actually happen? Where in the op does it say they're complaining about these changes? Don't mind him, he's butthurt at me because I'm against tanks lol i dont mind if bad players are against tanks Bet ya if you go infantry I will smack you over and over again until you cry I doubt it very much Intelligence is OP
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5720	Posted - 2014.01.19 16:38:00 - [18] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: I doubt it very much You're going to leave your tin can? MADNESS! You wouldn't survive! I can't be the one responsible for you going 1/30 Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core 436	Posted - 2014.01.19 16:48:00 - [19] - Quote time to go back to my roots A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
OZAROW Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 1261	Posted - 2014.01.19 16:49:00 - [20] - Quote I predict that you starting this thread, is a way to get things in people's head before the suit even comes out, being the start of the Nerf QQ, so thanks for that. But i don't know if ur a scout, if so shame on you for drawing attention to our suits lol. But heres the thing, TRUE SCOUTS, will kick ACE with these, because our adv suit is now going to be our basic an our proto will be our adv, we're used to horrible suits, med frames are not. And the gallente is the only one any assault player will switch too, because of its bonuses BUT that means proto or nothing for the assaults that like to trade shots, they will be too used to taking fire that they will get frustrated before reaching proto I hope! But with new cloaking being a thing people will want I see your point, only gallente tho, med frames won't adapt to the other scouts as decently, and I assume that most med frames don't have SP in the places as scouts an it will be noticeable . If scouts switch to med frames the transition would be easy an deadly because we already have almost every mod , most med frames never invested in any electronics or speed, so they ll run brick scouts, an if I'm correct from what I've read cloaking won't work if your damaged or passively repairing ( could be wrong) but a bricked gal scout with 3 HP rep trying to fix a 720 health bar is gonna be a sitting duck. Not to mention CPU an pg is nothing like a med frame suit. True scouts are gonna tear things up, but med frames I think will get frustrated, HOPEFULLY! An if assaults are getting rof bonuses TTK on a scout will be vicious, I see slayer logies going gallente logi as FTOM or back to assaults, an a lot of heavies, but their will be a lot of new scouts but I don't see that being their main fits, why go scout, when gal logi can have CPU bonuses to equip to run cloaks, enought lows to dampen an run CPU pg extenders , scanners an damage mods with more HP , same with amar logistics, also having a sidearm an cloak possibility . I hope your wrong, I just spend 8 months in scout hell, if assaults make it get nerfed, then leave it once it's nerfed the scout community is gonna be friggen choked after getting so excited for a long awaited buff, but shame on you for mentioning it. SUPER NOVA KNIFE SAIYAN 4

Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5436	Posted - 2014.01.19 16:52:00 - [21] - Quote Prediction: A ton of people are going to skill into scouts because they think they are super ninjas. They are either not as good as expected or CCP makes some tweaks to rebalance them. People rage when they realize it is not easy mode. They then rage even more when they realize that that was the last respec we'll likely ever get. Someone needs to do a PSA warning people about how to spend their refunded SP, especially if they are looking at going into scout or some role they haven't used actively before. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Scout Registry Nos Nothi 697	Posted - 2014.01.19 16:52:00 - [22] - Quote The day Nyain San ditches Tanks and Logi Frames in favor of the Scout, is the day we'll know we've created a monster. As O'Dell and Legend have done with Tanks, we Scouts -- if necessary -- will be the among the first in the Forums with specific complaints and fix recommendations. Should imbalance prove in our favor, we will make every effort to see our suit returned to Hard Mode roots.
Mac Dac Wraith Shadow Guards D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 436	Posted - 2014.01.19 16:53:00 - [23] - Quote IDK, The other frames are getting some good bonuses too. The heavy frames are too getting a buff... the bonus to resistance, more slots, the commandos bonus to weapon damage. All in all, I think that all the suts are getting a buff ,but the scout needs it more. I for 1 am excited about the new heavy and scout bonus as well as the rest of the racial suits. "We should take care not to make intellect our god; it has, of course, strong muscles, but no personality" Albert Einste
Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 3634	Posted - 2014.01.19 16:57:00 - [24] - Quote I'll have to agree with you, as I use them right now and they're completely viable if you have more than 3 brain cells. We used to have a time machine
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2029	Posted - 2014.01.19 16:58:00 - [25] - Quote A corpmate said the same, and I just know if they give a respec then we will see a GalScout influx. Really don't wanna see my suit become OP then get nerfed. I can see Roner General just sitting in a corner, rubbing his hands and having a evil grin on his face. He already has a 600ehp scout, now it will rep and be invisible. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1166	Posted - 2014.01.19 16:59:00 - [26] - Quote Egad scouts will be competitive? this seems like titanfall level hype over something that should have been in place all along. "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout. CLOSED BETA VET
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5725	Posted - 2014.01.19 17:00:00 - [27] - Quote OZAROW wrote: I predict that you starting this thread, is a way to get things in people's head before the suit even comes out, being the start of the Nerf QQ, so thanks for that. But i don't know if ur a scout, if so shame on you for drawing attention to our suits lol. But heres the thing, TRUE SCOUTS, will kick ACE with these, because our adv suit is now going to be our basic an our proto will be our adv, we're used to horrible suits, med frames are not. And the gallente is the only one any assault player will switch too, because of its bonuses BUT that means proto or nothing for the assaults that like to trade shots, they will be too used to taking fire that they will get frustrated before reaching proto I hope! But with new cloaking being a thing people will want I see your point, only gallente tho, med frames won't adapt to the other scouts as decently, and I assume that most med frames don't have SP in the places as scouts an it will be noticeable . If scouts switch to med frames the transition would be easy an deadly because we already have almost every mod , most med frames never invested in any electronics or speed, so they ll run brick scouts, an if I'm correct from what I've read cloaking won't work if your damaged or passively repairing ( could be wrong) but a bricked gal scout with 3 HP rep trying to fix a 720 health bar is gonna be a sitting duck. Not to mention CPU an pg is nothing like a med frame suit. True scouts are gonna tear things up, but med frames I think will get frustrated, HOPEFULLY! An if assaults are getting rof bonuses TTK on a scout will be vicious, I see slayer logies going gallente logi as FTOM or back to assaults, an a lot of heavies, but their will be a lot of new scouts but I don't see that being their main fits, why go scout, when gal logi can have CPU bonuses to equip to run cloaks, enought lows to dampen an run CPU pg extenders , scanners an damage mods with more HP , same with amar logistics, also having a sidearm an cloak possibility . I hope your wrong, I just spend 8 months in scout hell, if assaults make it get nerfed, then leave it once it's nerfed the scout community is gonna be friggen choked after getting so excited for a long awaited buff, but shame on you for mentioning it. Shame on me for mentioning a possible imbalance? Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Viktor Skirov Heag Enterprises D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 49	Posted - 2014.01.19 17:00:00 - [28] - Quote I am the only one who is going to be the inverse of Predator?... (And also, I am the only person who thinks that it's mask looks like a Bionicle?), I'm going to stick a nanite injector and revive for the sake of my team, while cloaked. Vithz ar rajatza.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10163	Posted - 2014.01.19 17:08:00 - [29] - Quote I think a lot of it will depend on what kind of changes Logis and Assaults see. The Heavies are already in for a very healthy buff, and scouts obviously needed love to begin with. Just gonna have to wait and see, all I know is if that respec happens, you won't see me in my Gallente Scout, if you catch my drift Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Dropship Pilot
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 299	Posted - 2014.01.19 17:09:00 - [30] - Quote I think they will be balanced unless cloaks are OP. I see a lot of slayer logi's going into Assault suits or the Heavy suit. I do think the scout suit will be much more viable as an option to play and hopefully we gain some more players running them. Please fix the mic bubble bug...

Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 3043	Posted - 2014.01.19 17:11:00 - [31] - Quote I'm definitely going Caldari scout!!!!! Commando 6 // A.R.C Commander // D-Uni instructor A Balac's and a Thale's.....What's on your commando? Forum warrior 3
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5735	Posted - 2014.01.19 17:53:00 - [32] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: I'm definitely going Caldari scout!!!!! Dat shield regen Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 3044	Posted - 2014.01.19 18:09:00 - [33] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: I'm definitely going Caldari scout!!!!! Dat shield regen Truth ^ Commando 6 // A.R.C Commander // D-Uni instructor A Balac's and a Thale's.....What's on your commando? Forum warrior 3
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 920	Posted - 2014.01.19 18:15:00 - [34] - Quote Which explains why they're taking so long to put out the Assaults. I'm not mad at them for thinking such because while Assaults do have some good eHP(minus the Min's damage bonus) bonuses their actual Assault bonus doesn't work as well. Maybe give them a CPU/PG bonus for weapons, a better reloading ability, or something? I believe with the new sidearms and the actual changes to the weapons(crosses fingers for AR changes), the Scouts will actually still be able to fear Assaults. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 866	Posted - 2014.01.19 18:19:00 - [35] - Quote its gonna be about the scouts and heavies in 1.8
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5742	Posted - 2014.01.19 18:32:00 - [36] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: Which explains why they're taking so long to put out the Assaults. I'm not mad at them for thinking such because while Assaults do have some good eHP(minus the Min's damage bonus) bonuses their actual Assault bonus doesn't work as well. Maybe give them a CPU/PG bonus for weapons, a better reloading ability, or something? I believe with the new sidearms and the actual changes to the weapons(crosses fingers for AR changes), the Scouts will actually still be able to fear Assaults. If it's a CPU/PG bonus or a better reloading ability, the deal is sealed and I'm going scout. It's damage/ROF or nothing from what it looks like. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Oswald Rehnquist 1128	Posted - 2014.01.19 18:57:00 - [37] - Quote Considering the huge power creep of everything they just recently posted, scouts, sentinels, and commandos, I think the medium frames are expected to power creep as well. I would post what the new dps for the rifles are with the new (old?) RoF bonus but I know they are getting changed as well, so I won't bother. I know slayer logis are looking for their next thing so if guys think your ehp tanking with any of the shield based scouts, then you get my stamp of approval, in fact I'm banking my fits on this when 1.8 hits. Shield and armor tanking negatives hit a % modifier, and your hitting the scouts stronger % values which means the loss would be greater to make it feel more familiar instead of working with its strengths. Essentially your balancing the scout out instead of making it more lopsided, and as of now lopsided builds generally do better. I understand the purpose of balancing with numbers, as I supported the nerf to the Neo dodging scout back in beta based on performance, I would support a reduction to scouts if it was found to be broken in practice or number crafting, but lols for zero comparative power, let the whining start when/if the medium frame numbers come in under scouts. Below 28 dB
HiddenBrother Days of Ruin 33	Posted - 2014.01.19 18:59:00 - [38] - Quote New scout killed my medium suit. Nerf it or I'll quit this game for good! Goes back to shooting at Soma with assault rifle. Die damn you. Ruin.
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 87	Posted - 2014.01.19 19:02:00 - [39] - Quote Skipping right to the end, and saying good. About time, maybe heavies will be back on the block as well. Mediumframe 514 on hiatus.
Yoma Carrim Situation Normal all fraked up 267	Posted - 2014.01.19 19:14:00 - [40] - Quote HiddenBrother wrote: New scout killed my medium suit. Nerf it or I'll quit this game for good! Goes back to shooting at Soma with assault rifle. Die damn you. hehehe +1 for making my day. When you turn a corner and find the entire enemy team.Oh Heck Logi, Tanker, Heavy

Denn Maell PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 82	Posted - 2014.01.19 19:22:00 - [41] - Quote What do you mean Scouts WILL be FotM? I just specced into lvl1 scout and my K/D spread jumped every game I pulled it out. Maybe the maneuverability and sensors just fit my play style better than the assaultsGÇªIDK. But with weapons standing to get even more powerful with the new bonuses I'm looking at players who straight stack HP as nuts. I'm having a hard time reconciling why they aren't OP now! Loving my new Scout suit, but hot-damn its exactly what I wanted! The most OP weapon on the Dust Battle Field: One good logi, one rep tool, and a heavy.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 995	Posted - 2014.01.19 19:33:00 - [42] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: OZAROW wrote: I predict that you starting this thread, is a way to get things in people's head before the suit even comes out, being the start of the Nerf QQ, so thanks for that. But i don't know if ur a scout, if so shame on you for drawing attention to our suits lol. But heres the thing, TRUE SCOUTS, will kick ACE with these, because our adv suit is now going to be our basic an our proto will be our adv, we're used to horrible suits, med frames are not. And the gallente is the only one any assault player will switch too, because of its bonuses BUT that means proto or nothing for the assaults that like to trade shots, they will be too used to taking fire that they will get frustrated before reaching proto I hope! But with new cloaking being a thing people will want I see your point, only gallente tho, med frames won't adapt to the other scouts as decently, and I assume that most med frames don't have SP in the places as scouts an it will be noticeable . If scouts switch to med frames the transition would be easy an deadly because we already have almost every mod , most med frames never invested in any electronics or speed, so they ll run brick scouts, an if I'm correct from what I've read cloaking won't work if your damaged or passively repairing ( could be wrong) but a bricked gal scout with 3 HP rep trying to fix a 720 health bar is gonna be a sitting duck. Not to mention CPU an pg is nothing like a med frame suit. True scouts are gonna tear things up, but med frames I think will get frustrated, HOPEFULLY! An if assaults are getting rof bonuses TTK on a scout will be vicious, I see slayer logies going gallente logi as FTOM or back to assaults, an a lot of heavies, but their will be a lot of new scouts but I don't see that being their main fits, why go scout, when gal logi can have CPU bonuses to equip to run cloaks, enought lows to dampen an run CPU pg extenders , scanners an damage mods with more HP , same with amar logistics, also having a sidearm an cloak possibility . I hope your wrong, I just spend 8 months in scout hell, if assaults make it get nerfed, then leave it once it's nerfed the scout community is gonna be friggen choked after getting so excited for a long awaited buff, but shame on you for mentioning it. Shame on me for mentioning a possible imbalance? No. Shame on you for this: knight of 6 wrote: Egad scouts will be competitive? this seems like titanfall level hype over something that should have been in place all along. You know, I can't wait to laugh at all you suckers who think that scouts are going to be OP, when you figure out just how powerful the buffs to assaults and heavies really are. Watching you posers eat it is really going to make my day. {:)}{3GÇó>
Aizen Intiki Hell's Gate Inc League of Infamy 712	Posted - 2014.01.19 19:36:00 - [43] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: The Gallente scout won't be so bad since it's going to be the slowest scout and the one with the second lowest passive repair. But that Caldari scout with a complex armor repper and 40 hp/s is going to be god like. As soon as he is off your screen he will be at full HP. You realize that Amarr is the slowest, right? Unless you're adding in plates, in which case that's not a scout. "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___^
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 2066	Posted - 2014.01.19 19:48:00 - [44] - Quote Scouts will be powerful in their prospective role. Not OP. We still won't be able to take on groups of Assaults or Heavies head on. You will see a lot of hit and run or assassination tactics instead. The "Light Assault" scout will be a definite move for some Med frame players, but they will have to get used to the insanely low eHP that comes with this. Take the Cal scout for instance. You wanna run 4 complex shields? That 44 PG right off the bat. HALF of your PG is gone. You also kill your shield depleted, so you will need to run a regulator in your low. You know have one low slot to build your suit. So if you run a PG mod (So you can fit everything else) you have no speed. Or dampening. A Gal logi will scan you with no problems, and other suits Proto scans will scan you. Stealth is now gone, and your speed is "decent" at best (My min assault can sprint faster than you). You are now running a watered down assault. You would be better off sticking with the Cal assault, running 502 shields with 60hp/s recharge and regulators and Armor in your lows. Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
Scout Registry Nos Nothi 720	Posted - 2014.01.19 19:50:00 - [45] - Quote Ghost Kaisar, ladies and gentlemen.
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 2066	Posted - 2014.01.19 19:51:00 - [46] - Quote Scout Registry wrote: Ghost Kaisar, ladies and gentlemen. Takes a bow Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5453	Posted - 2014.01.19 19:53:00 - [47] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Scouts will be powerful in their prospective role. Not OP. We still won't be able to take on groups of Assaults or Heavies head on. You will see a lot of hit and run or assassination tactics instead. The "Light Assault" scout will be a definite move for some Med frame players, but they will have to get used to the insanely low eHP that comes with this. Take the Cal scout for instance. You wanna run 4 complex shields? That 44 PG right off the bat. HALF of your PG is gone. You also kill your shield depleted, so you will need to run a regulator in your low. You know have one low slot to build your suit. So if you run a PG mod (So you can fit everything else) you have no speed. Or dampening. A Gal logi will scan you with no problems, and other suits Proto scans will scan you. Stealth is now gone, and your speed is "decent" at best (My min assault can sprint faster than you). You are now running a watered down assault. You would be better off sticking with the Cal assault, running 502 shields with 60hp/s recharge and regulators and Armor in your lows. Cat Merc specifically stated he in the first post that he's not saying scouts will be OP. The thread title doesn't suggest that either. He's simply suggesting it will be a FOTM. It is possible to be the FOTM without being OP. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
CRYPT3C W0LF Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 227	Posted - 2014.01.19 19:57:00 - [48] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Scouts will be powerful in their prospective role. Not OP. We still won't be able to take on groups of Assaults or Heavies head on. You will see a lot of hit and run or assassination tactics instead. The "Light Assault" scout will be a definite move for some Med frame players, but they will have to get used to the insanely low eHP that comes with this. Take the Cal scout for instance. You wanna run 4 complex shields? That 44 PG right off the bat. HALF of your PG is gone. You also kill your shield depleted, so you will need to run a regulator in your low. You know have one low slot to build your suit. So if you run a PG mod (So you can fit everything else) you have no speed. Or dampening. A Gal logi will scan you with no problems, and other suits Proto scans will scan you. Stealth is now gone, and your speed is "decent" at best (My min assault can sprint faster than you). You are now running a watered down assault. You would be better off sticking with the Cal assault, running 502 shields with 60hp/s recharge and regulators and Armor in your lows. Cat Merc specifically stated he in the first post that he's not saying scouts will be OP. The thread title doesn't suggest that either. He's simply suggesting it will be a FOTM. It is possible to be the FOTM without being OP. Is it me, or is that missing logic? :P Youtube Channel Nom Nom Nom ^__^
Yoma Carrim Situation Normal all fraked up 268	Posted - 2014.01.19 19:59:00 - [49] - Quote CRYPT3C W0LF wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Scouts will be powerful in their prospective role. Not OP. We still won't be able to take on groups of Assaults or Heavies head on. You will see a lot of hit and run or assassination tactics instead. The "Light Assault" scout will be a definite move for some Med frame players, but they will have to get used to the insanely low eHP that comes with this. Take the Cal scout for instance. You wanna run 4 complex shields? That 44 PG right off the bat. HALF of your PG is gone. You also kill your shield depleted, so you will need to run a regulator in your low. You know have one low slot to build your suit. So if you run a PG mod (So you can fit everything else) you have no speed. Or dampening. A Gal logi will scan you with no problems, and other suits Proto scans will scan you. Stealth is now gone, and your speed is "decent" at best (My min assault can sprint faster than you). You are now running a watered down assault. You would be better off sticking with the Cal assault, running 502 shields with 60hp/s recharge and regulators and Armor in your lows. Cat Merc specifically stated he in the first post that he's not saying scouts will be OP. The thread title doesn't suggest that either. He's simply suggesting it will be a FOTM. It is possible to be the FOTM without being OP. Is it me, or is that missing logic? :P No its just that people will be so tired of running medium frames they will run Scouts for the change of pace now that scouts got some love When you turn a corner and find the entire enemy team.Oh Heck Logi, Tanker, Heavy
mollerz Minja Scouts 1999	Posted - 2014.01.19 19:59:00 - [50] - Quote All of us hard core scouts already called it. It was no doubt once the scouts got fixed people would consider using them. No try hard would consider them since the crutch was the med frame/AR to have. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla

Phazoid The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 233	Posted - 2014.01.19 20:06:00 - [51] - Quote Viktor Skirov wrote: I am the only one who is going to be the inverse of Predator?... (And also, I am the only person who thinks that it's mask looks like a Bionicle?), I'm going to stick a nanite injector and revive for the sake of my team, while cloaked. understood that reference Dragons don't have friends. The nearest we can get to the idea is an enemy who is still alive.
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1462	Posted - 2014.01.19 20:07:00 - [52] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Are you QQ because 360scan514 is over and flanking can actually happen? Where in the op does it say they're complaining about these changes? I don't even read Taka posts anymore. I support SP rollover.
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 87	Posted - 2014.01.19 20:31:00 - [53] - Quote Denn Maell wrote: What do you mean Scouts WILL be FotM? I just specced into lvl1 scout and my K/D spread jumped every game I pulled it out. Maybe the maneuverability and sensors just fit my play style better than the assaultsGÇªIDK. But with weapons standing to get even more powerful with the new bonuses I'm looking at players who straight stack HP as nuts. I'm having a hard time reconciling why they aren't OP now! Loving my new Scout suit, but hot-damn its exactly what I wanted! I have a scout alt right now and I feel the same way. I punish unwary infantry, hack and bait, stealth defend objectives....My kdr is 2.6 vs my assault 1.6... the heightened awareness and mobility are way more my speed...add uplink and scans and knives oh and explosives. Scouting may be the most free playstyle
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6500	Posted - 2014.01.19 20:59:00 - [54] - Quote Bones McGavins wrote: Agreed. Even without cloak, unless assault fittings are drastically changed, the scout looks to be the next big thing. The inherent ability to slip under advanced scanners without ANY mods is huge. Plus smaller hitbox, speed, stamina and an extra equipment? eHP on even the advanced suits, without sacrificing speed is in the mid 500s. You allow for speed sacrifice and its more like 700-800 (still a lot faster than most assaults at like 5.0/7.3). Im fine with this, as I run a minmitar assault with dampeners to get my stealthy (sorta speedy) combat on. So ill be able to slide right in to one of the new scouts and go to town. The inherent ability to avoid some active scanners is not that big if you do the math without modules included. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1462	Posted - 2014.01.19 21:04:00 - [55] - Quote Scouts will become serious business for sure. Even as they are now both the Gallente and Minmatar scouts are semi viable as fight suits. This is classic CCP all over again, for better or for worse. Every one of the proposed scout changes are game changers: PG/CPU, Scan Profile, Cloaks, Equipment slot, Low/Hi slots. Each one of these changes would have gone a long way towards making scouts more viable. Taken together, the changes are overwhelming, tbh. Our better scouts who use the suits in their natural roles are about to become assassination machines. I'm not complaining, but after a few months of being hunted i'm sure a few of us will be seeking professional councilling for scout-induced PTSD(Can we bill that to our corps?). I suppose the ideal situation is when every suit is FOTM at the same time. CCP's proposed racial and role-based rebalancing is giving me a lot of hope that one fine day there will be a lot of agonizing over and no clear answer to what is or is not FOTM. It remains to be seen which way we go with Assaults. If we bonus them as their role demands then that bonus will be intimately linked with CCP's decisions on TTK & how strafey they want this shooter to be. I support SP rollover.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5748	Posted - 2014.01.19 21:05:00 - [56] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Bones McGavins wrote: Agreed. Even without cloak, unless assault fittings are drastically changed, the scout looks to be the next big thing. The inherent ability to slip under advanced scanners without ANY mods is huge. Plus smaller hitbox, speed, stamina and an extra equipment? eHP on even the advanced suits, without sacrificing speed is in the mid 500s. You allow for speed sacrifice and its more like 700-800 (still a lot faster than most assaults at like 5.0/7.3). Im fine with this, as I run a minmitar assault with dampeners to get my stealthy (sorta speedy) combat on. So ill be able to slide right in to one of the new scouts and go to town. The inherent ability to avoid some active scanners is not that big if you do the math without modules included. Actually it is. In order to avoid an advanced scanner, you need a complex profile damp on assaults. Scouts have that built in lol Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6500	Posted - 2014.01.19 21:07:00 - [57] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Bones McGavins wrote: Agreed. Even without cloak, unless assault fittings are drastically changed, the scout looks to be the next big thing. The inherent ability to slip under advanced scanners without ANY mods is huge. Plus smaller hitbox, speed, stamina and an extra equipment? eHP on even the advanced suits, without sacrificing speed is in the mid 500s. You allow for speed sacrifice and its more like 700-800 (still a lot faster than most assaults at like 5.0/7.3). Im fine with this, as I run a minmitar assault with dampeners to get my stealthy (sorta speedy) combat on. So ill be able to slide right in to one of the new scouts and go to town. The inherent ability to avoid some active scanners is not that big if you do the math without modules included. Actually it is. In order to avoid an advanced scanner, you need a complex profile damp on assaults. Scouts have that built in lol So? Scouts are suppose to be that good at profile dampening compared to other classes. Why should all other suits be allowed to marginalize the scout so much? OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 89	Posted - 2014.01.19 21:12:00 - [58] - Quote Scouts should excel in areas other suits don't. Speed, scanning, stealth, infiltration, hit and run guerilla tactics. It only makes sense that the suit specializes inherently in things others dont
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 567	Posted - 2014.01.19 21:13:00 - [59] - Quote Having spent the past few months struggling with minmatar assaults the new Galente scout will suit that speedy assault class way better.
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6502	Posted - 2014.01.19 21:15:00 - [60] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: Scouts should excel in areas other suits don't. Speed, scanning, stealth, infiltration, hit and run guerilla tactics. It only makes sense that the suit specializes inherently in things others dont Exactly. We scouts had to sacrifice so much in terms of armor and shield. We are scouts after all. That said, why shouldn't we be the go-to suits for stealth, recon, and infiltration? OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*

Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 90	Posted - 2014.01.19 21:18:00 - [61] - Quote Definitely. Even for people that abuse these new bonuses, we true scouts will make use of them for recon, infiltration,assassination, counter intelligence and the like
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1462	Posted - 2014.01.19 21:18:00 - [62] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: Having spent the past few months struggling with minmatar assaults the new Galente scout will suit that speedy assault class way better. Too true. The Minny Assault is the most unloved and neglected medium frame in the game. I support SP rollover.
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 323	Posted - 2014.01.19 21:19:00 - [63] - Quote I personaly think we will se even more heavys than ever before, with built in resists, and the ability to equip any gun in the game they can do what every they freaken want, and will easily have 3-5x the HP of most scouts. Commandos will likely be fairly popular aswell.
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1462	Posted - 2014.01.19 21:20:00 - [64] - Quote CRYPT3C W0LF wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Scouts will be powerful in their prospective role. Not OP. We still won't be able to take on groups of Assaults or Heavies head on. You will see a lot of hit and run or assassination tactics instead. The "Light Assault" scout will be a definite move for some Med frame players, but they will have to get used to the insanely low eHP that comes with this. Take the Cal scout for instance. You wanna run 4 complex shields? That 44 PG right off the bat. HALF of your PG is gone. You also kill your shield depleted, so you will need to run a regulator in your low. You know have one low slot to build your suit. So if you run a PG mod (So you can fit everything else) you have no speed. Or dampening. A Gal logi will scan you with no problems, and other suits Proto scans will scan you. Stealth is now gone, and your speed is "decent" at best (My min assault can sprint faster than you). You are now running a watered down assault. You would be better off sticking with the Cal assault, running 502 shields with 60hp/s recharge and regulators and Armor in your lows. Cat Merc specifically stated he in the first post that he's not saying scouts will be OP. The thread title doesn't suggest that either. He's simply suggesting it will be a FOTM. It is possible to be the FOTM without being OP. Is it me, or is that missing logic? :P Do you mean in the same way that mass buys and sells on the stock markets are missing logic? I support SP rollover.
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6503	Posted - 2014.01.19 21:21:00 - [65] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: I personaly think we will se even more heavys than ever before, with built in resists, and the ability to equip any gun in the game they can do what every they freaken want, and will easily have 3-5x the HP of most scouts. Commandos will likely be fairly popular aswell. I definitely see heavies and commandos being used a lot more than the scouts. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. 2792	Posted - 2014.01.19 21:26:00 - [66] - Quote The least of my concerns is the scout being FOTM Because CCP can't fall back on the scout again we would cry again Check out latest BSOTT Guide
Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries Legacy Rising 658	Posted - 2014.01.19 21:33:00 - [67] - Quote I think with 1.8 the era of the FOTM is done. There will be so many different roles, some will be more universal, some will be niche, but I think it will be fairly balanced with everything. Of course we will have to see how it goes. You may even be right.
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 62	Posted - 2014.01.19 21:43:00 - [68] - Quote I have been using a dragonly scout suit with all militia mods and the toxins for weapons recently with a basic scanner. I have been enjoying it. Since aim assist and all of the other changes came in I find stealth is a much more viable tactic when you are running solo. Speed means little, certainly not as much as it did. Now I just need to avoid ALL scanner completely and I could be even more deadly.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 80	Posted - 2014.01.19 21:52:00 - [69] - Quote I don't think scouts will ever become OP, solely due to the amount of skill it takes to use them, and their low health. I just really really hope that they aren't Nyan Spammed to death, resulting in an unnecessary nerf. Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives. https://dust514.com/recruit/k3vMnb/
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 80	Posted - 2014.01.19 21:56:00 - [70] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: I think with 1.8 the era of the FOTM is done. There will be so many different roles, some will be more universal, some will be niche, but I think it will be fairly balanced with everything. Of course we will have to see how it goes. You may even be right. I really really hope you are right Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives. https://dust514.com/recruit/k3vMnb/

OZAROW Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 1262	Posted - 2014.01.19 23:32:00 - [71] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: OZAROW wrote: I predict that you starting this thread, is a way to get things in people's head before the suit even comes out, being the start of the Nerf QQ, so thanks for that. But i don't know if ur a scout, if so shame on you for drawing attention to our suits lol. But heres the thing, TRUE SCOUTS, will kick ACE with these, because our adv suit is now going to be our basic an our proto will be our adv, we're used to horrible suits, med frames are not. And the gallente is the only one any assault player will switch too, because of its bonuses BUT that means proto or nothing for the assaults that like to trade shots, they will be too used to taking fire that they will get frustrated before reaching proto I hope! But with new cloaking being a thing people will want I see your point, only gallente tho, med frames won't adapt to the other scouts as decently, and I assume that most med frames don't have SP in the places as scouts an it will be noticeable . If scouts switch to med frames the transition would be easy an deadly because we already have almost every mod , most med frames never invested in any electronics or speed, so they ll run brick scouts, an if I'm correct from what I've read cloaking won't work if your damaged or passively repairing ( could be wrong) but a bricked gal scout with 3 HP rep trying to fix a 720 health bar is gonna be a sitting duck. Not to mention CPU an pg is nothing like a med frame suit. True scouts are gonna tear things up, but med frames I think will get frustrated, HOPEFULLY! An if assaults are getting rof bonuses TTK on a scout will be vicious, I see slayer logies going gallente logi as FTOM or back to assaults, an a lot of heavies, but their will be a lot of new scouts but I don't see that being their main fits, why go scout, when gal logi can have CPU bonuses to equip to run cloaks, enought lows to dampen an run CPU pg extenders , scanners an damage mods with more HP , same with amar logistics, also having a sidearm an cloak possibility . I hope your wrong, I just spend 8 months in scout hell, if assaults make it get nerfed, then leave it once it's nerfed the scout community is gonna be friggen choked after getting so excited for a long awaited buff, but shame on you for mentioning it. Shame on me for mentioning a possible imbalance? A POSSIBLE INBALANCE? It's been unbalanced since uprising , where have you been? Theirs only one serious good scour out of the bunch an that's the gall scout, this should have been done months ago, proto gal logis, cal logis, op scr, duvolles, RR, an your worried about scouts? Only reason is cuz now med frames have a new threat, an the chrome scout is back! We ve been getting better an better training in the weakest suits, an it's obvious your not worried about the med frames being scouts, your worried about amazing scouts, that know how to be scouts being able to kill you an be ghost. Balanced isn't med frames crushing everybody, it's every one finally having a role, an now they do. Yea the gall scout will be a slayer, for a good player, not every player, it's weapons that need balance SUPER NOVA KNIFE SAIYAN 4
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3780	Posted - 2014.01.19 23:41:00 - [72] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I absolutely cannot believe I'm saying this. Disclaimer: I am not saying "OMG THIS IS OP NERF IT NOW!", but I'm saying it's going to be interesting to say the least. We don't know the new medium frame stats so this might all go down the drain. All of those little buffs to scouts makes it extremely attractive as a combat suit in comparison to an assault suit. Pros: They're going to be able to avoid adv scanners without a single skill point, making flanking a thing Two equipment Higher speed Cloaks Smaller targets/hitboxes Vastly superior regeneration Higher jump height = Overall better mobility Extra stamina Cons: 100~ less base HP One less slot Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Consider, for example, that the Cal scout can get 450 shields with a 50 HP/s regen and a 2s recharge delay. Honestly the more I think about it, the less ridiculous the 10% ROF bonus on assaults sounds Heh. Scouts can be all the FOTM you want them to be.Still,good scouts will always come on top of scrubby ones/FOTM chasers/tourists. PLUS. Im thinking that assaults have a very decent bonus (except amarr ones), plus Heavies and Commandos DO look pretty strong as well.... GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
Kuze Izumi WarRavens League of Infamy 14	Posted - 2014.01.20 02:28:00 - [73] - Quote I can guarantee you that in those first few weeks you will see many people try the cloak and I bet if they try and play rush offense only death will greet them. I can't wait for the 1.8 patch my gal scout can only get better...
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 535	Posted - 2014.01.20 02:53:00 - [74] - Quote Kuze Izumi wrote: I can guarantee you that in those first few weeks you will see many people try the cloak and I bet if they try and play rush offense only death will greet them. I can't wait for the 1.8 patch my gal scout can only get better... If anything this is why scouts could be FOTM. With the new cloaks everyone is going to want to play with them...and scouts just make it easiest. It's truly a game changing mechanic. Also if cloaking is extremely OP those people will stick around.
Rusty Shallows 839	Posted - 2014.01.20 02:57:00 - [75] - Quote If Scouts end up getting hate it will be one of those double-whammies. Cloak plus weapon X (1HK or crazy DPS) equals nerf screams on the suit and weapon. Some will say blame the weapon while others say the cloak. Regardless if "Scouts are OP," returns to forums it will be entertaining. If Plasma Cannons get nerfed because of Cloaks I will die laughing. Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Are you QQ because 360scan514 is over and flanking can actually happen? Are Vehicle Module Scanners going directional? I'm pretty sure 360 scanning will remain in this game in some shape or form. MCC Lounge Lizard Forums > Game Fix the game CCP
Rusty Shallows 840	Posted - 2014.01.20 03:08:00 - [76] - Quote Scout Registry wrote: The day Nyain San ditches Tanks and Logi Frames in favor of the Scout, is the day we'll know we've created a monster. As O'Dell and Legend have done with Tanks, we Scouts -- if necessary -- will be the among the first in the Forums with specific complaints and fix recommendations. Should imbalance prove in our favor, we will make every effort to see our suit returned to Hard Mode roots. Honorable but be warned those of us who tried to discuss issues with Forge Guns were drowned out by calls to nerf. In Dust 514 emotional nerfing beats rationale discourse all the time. I wish you and Ghost K all the best. MCC Lounge Lizard Forums > Game Fix the game CCP
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6508	Posted - 2014.01.20 03:10:00 - [77] - Quote I agree with Ozarow. Us scouts have had it rough for the past year and I will be angry as hell if the scouts get nerfed once again because people will think they are OP when they might not be. We have trained vigorously as scouts to fight in suits that are so handicapped that we are finally happy for once in our lives to see scouts getting the love they deserve. And we will be damned if we let scouts get nerfed once again. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
pseudosnipre 568	Posted - 2014.01.20 03:25:00 - [78] - Quote Scout is a playstyle that differs greatly from frontline. Dumping SP into scout suits and trying to play them like a frontline assault will just **** people off when their KDR plummets. Nobody picks you up when you flank solo and you have to be way more aware unless you brick tank and then the speed sucks. But at least there will be more qq threads about terrain glitches, sticky walls, sprint bugs, passive detection anomalies, etc. Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3806	Posted - 2014.01.20 03:32:00 - [79] - Quote After re-reading the stats: I actually think Commandos are going to be the New FOTM next to heavies..... GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2662	Posted - 2014.01.20 03:43:00 - [80] - Quote lol say it ain't soooo oho whooa...your OP is a hearbreaker Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]

Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5515	Posted - 2014.01.20 03:48:00 - [81] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: After re-reading the stats: I actually think Commandos are going to be the New FOTM next to heavies..... The Gallente Commando is particularly going to be quite frightening. I've worked with proto fits of all them, but this is the one that scares me the most. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3808	Posted - 2014.01.20 03:51:00 - [82] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: After re-reading the stats: I actually think Commandos are going to be the New FOTM next to heavies..... The Gallente Commando is particularly going to be quite frightening. I've worked with proto fits of all them, but this is the one that scares me the most. Im mostly scared of the Minmatar with MAss driver / Combat rifle combo... GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
xxwhitedevilxx M Expert Intervention Caldari State 1481	Posted - 2014.01.20 03:51:00 - [83] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: After re-reading the stats: I actually think Commandos are going to be the New FOTM next to heavies..... The Gallente Commando is particularly going to be quite frightening. I've worked with proto fits of all them, but this is the one that scares me the most. ...but I really think they're going to rebalance assault and logi. We'll see. Tank 514.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5515	Posted - 2014.01.20 03:55:00 - [84] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: After re-reading the stats: I actually think Commandos are going to be the New FOTM next to heavies..... The Gallente Commando is particularly going to be quite frightening. I've worked with proto fits of all them, but this is the one that scares me the most. Im mostly scared of the Minmatar with MAss driver / Combat rifle combo... Minmatar Commando doesn't get nearly the same total HP and has some issues with PG/CPU. The Gallente Commando is the only Commando that can easily fit all proto mods and proto weapons. At least, from what I've tested in fittings. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
shady merc RisingSuns Public Disorder. 38	Posted - 2014.01.20 03:57:00 - [85] - Quote While I see the potential of the scout becoming possible OP. I think we will see the rise of an assault suit using cloaks. With the current scout bonus to cloak being 15% to fittings, and assuming the basic scout doesn't have to destroy his entire fit to use on then its not so bad for an assault to equip. 15% is nice but that can be gained though passive bonuses. Combine with the additional hit points of the assault and the fact that they are not much slower then scouts, this game may become very "campy". I can see ambush being mostly cloak infantry with drop ships and tanks roaming the field.
IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis 522	Posted - 2014.01.20 03:58:00 - [86] - Quote Really you think scouts will be FOTM? Especially since heavys are getting 15% dmg reductions to the primary dmg dealing weapons to their tank type. I see heavys with >1500hp already. Add another 15% on top of that.... I think all the different suits will have a nice role to play. Scouts will have way less dmg projection and HP than all the other suit types. You will be sorely disappointed if you have never played scout and you spec into it, thinking it will be OP. We still have less HP, less CPU/PG than any other suit class in the game. It may sound scary to face a scout with 500hp in shields but a flux nade will give them 80hp and a long delay to get it back. I don't think they will be OP. There will actually be interesting game mechanics to employ now instead of stack a single mod and proto weapon. All I can say to those wanting to flip over to scout. Good luck and welcome to hard mode. The current scouts will let CCP know if we are OP. We don't want it to be FOTM or OP. PHI Recruitment or PHIsh Tank in game Youtube
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6508	Posted - 2014.01.20 04:13:00 - [87] - Quote IgniteableAura wrote: Really you think scouts will be FOTM? Especially since heavys are getting 15% dmg reductions to the primary dmg dealing weapons to their tank type. I see heavys with >1500hp already. Add another 15% on top of that.... I think all the different suits will have a nice role to play. Scouts will have way less dmg projection and HP than all the other suit types. You will be sorely disappointed if you have never played scout and you spec into it, thinking it will be OP. We still have less HP, less CPU/PG than any other suit class in the game. It may sound scary to face a scout with 500hp in shields but a flux nade will give them 80hp and a long delay to get it back. I don't think they will be OP. There will actually be interesting game mechanics to employ now instead of stack a single mod and proto weapon. All I can say to those wanting to flip over to scout. Good luck and welcome to hard mode. The current scouts will let CCP know if we are OP. We don't want it to be FOTM or OP. Spot on. Veteran scouts will be the ones to truly tell if the suit is OP or not after the changes. Not some inexperienced noob who is trying out scouts for the first time. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 592	Posted - 2014.01.20 04:16:00 - [88] - Quote Gallente light suits were the first thing I skilled into besides Sniper Rifle Operation. Just Saiyan.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 593	Posted - 2014.01.20 04:19:00 - [89] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: After re-reading the stats: I actually think Commandos are going to be the New FOTM next to heavies..... The Gallente Commando is particularly going to be quite frightening. I've worked with proto fits of all them, but this is the one that scares me the most. Im mostly scared of the Minmatar with MAss driver / Combat rifle combo... Minmatar Commando doesn't get nearly the same total HP and has some issues with PG/CPU. The Gallente Commando is the only Commando that can easily fit all proto mods and proto weapons. At least, from what I've tested in fittings. Gallente Master Race
Vesperz D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 23	Posted - 2014.01.20 05:05:00 - [90] - Quote Good thing I've stuck with the scout fit since Chrome. Live by honor, kill by stealth.

NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 20	Posted - 2014.01.20 05:26:00 - [91] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: I don't think scouts will ever become OP, solely due to the amount of skill it takes to use them, and their low health. I just really really hope that they aren't Nyan Spammed to death, resulting in an unnecessary nerf. yep nyan will get them nerfed
Vell0cet SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 812	Posted - 2014.01.20 05:45:00 - [92] - Quote I expect a ton of scouts in 1.8, mostly to play with the new cloaks and to change up what has been fairly stale gameplay. Even if this is the case, I think it will make fights a lot more tactical and fun. I love the direction of the Sentinal racial damage bonuses, it's going to create a need for squads/teams to have a lot of variety which is really awesome. If cloaking is OP, one nerf that would be reasonable is adding deployables that decloak anything within x meters. This would force cloakies to the periphery of the battlefield (where they belong). I'm expecting really awesome/deep and thoughtful fights in the future. This is truly a great direction for the game. Quick/Dirty Test Range Idea
Lorhak Gannarsein 1248	Posted - 2014.01.20 07:05:00 - [93] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: IgniteableAura wrote: Really you think scouts will be FOTM? Especially since heavys are getting 15% dmg reductions to the primary dmg dealing weapons to their tank type. I see heavys with >1500hp already. Add another 15% on top of that.... I think all the different suits will have a nice role to play. Scouts will have way less dmg projection and HP than all the other suit types. You will be sorely disappointed if you have never played scout and you spec into it, thinking it will be OP. We still have less HP, less CPU/PG than any other suit class in the game. It may sound scary to face a scout with 500hp in shields but a flux nade will give them 80hp and a long delay to get it back. I don't think they will be OP. There will actually be interesting game mechanics to employ now instead of stack a single mod and proto weapon. All I can say to those wanting to flip over to scout. Good luck and welcome to hard mode. The current scouts will let CCP know if we are OP. We don't want it to be FOTM or OP. Spot on. Veteran scouts will be the ones to truly tell if the suit is OP or not after the changes. Not some inexperienced noob who is trying out scouts for the first time. wait what? I'm pretty sure that we were saying this about tanks from the beginning (If you want, I'll see if I can dig up some of the early discussion of fittings, although I think most of it was done through other channels than the forums). The writing was on the wall - the massive buffers from stacked hardeners, the enormous DPS buffs... The only thing that wasn't buffed was blasters, ironically, though their hit detection was drastically improved. Then all the newbies started using it. Admittedly, most of them would have described it as 'good' and 'fun', but in the context of 'inexperienced noob', that's basically the same thing. God, I remember cussing out so many people who were crying about the tank changes... We're not all Taka and Spkr. Basically, what I'm trying to say is this: If the scout is OP, it'll be the inexperienced noobs who tell us. It'll be groups like Nyain San, like Mottanai. There are a few veteran tankers saying 'no, this is fine'. We'll see. Happily printing ISK with permahardeners and MLT blasters. Just let me get a couple mil more before nerf, CCP!
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5936	Posted - 2014.01.20 07:15:00 - [94] - Quote Initially they might be, but I don't suspect they will for long. The playstyle I find with my scouting is a lot slower paced, its more about position than fire power, its all about being unseen and undectected. I don't think many players will have the patience for it. They will gravitate to higher EHP fits which fill more generic roles post initial interest. I don't think PC will every truly be a player for cloaked scouts when a pair of logis could clear the point much faster. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2038	Posted - 2014.01.20 07:30:00 - [95] - Quote I was Gal scout before it was cool... And will remain so... hopefully Cloaks will be broken so they don't work when implemented... I'll get a strong scout, but not strong enough to deserve a nerf... A-Teams win Battles B-Teams win Campaigns C-Teams win Wars
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5541	Posted - 2014.01.20 07:34:00 - [96] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Initially they might be, but I don't suspect they will for long. The playstyle I find with my scouting is a lot slower paced, its more about position than fire power, its all about being unseen and undectected. I don't think many players will have the patience for it. They will gravitate to higher EHP fits which fill more generic roles post initial interest. I don't think PC will every truly be a player for cloaked scouts when a pair of logis could clear the point much faster. What are you trying to say? That I'm more generic than you? More boring? ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Kosakai ZionTCD Public Disorder. 7	Posted - 2014.01.20 08:06:00 - [97] - Quote wtf? 99% of playtime iam scout... till now scouts are weak as hell... and iam not QQ about that!! and now its our turn!!! stop QQ assaults..... SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 2092	Posted - 2014.01.20 08:11:00 - [98] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: Scout Registry wrote: The day Nyain San ditches Tanks and Logi Frames in favor of the Scout, is the day we'll know we've created a monster. As O'Dell and Legend have done with Tanks, we Scouts -- if necessary -- will be the among the first in the Forums with specific complaints and fix recommendations. Should imbalance prove in our favor, we will make every effort to see our suit returned to Hard Mode roots. Honorable but be warned those of us who tried to discuss issues with Forge Guns were drowned out by calls to nerf. In Dust 514 emotional nerfing beats rationale discourse all the time. I wish you and Ghost K all the best. Thanks! Also, since when did I become nameworthy? Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 480	Posted - 2014.01.20 08:33:00 - [99] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I absolutely cannot believe I'm saying this. Disclaimer: I am not saying "OMG THIS IS OP NERF IT NOW!", but I'm saying it's going to be interesting to say the least. We don't know the new medium frame stats so this might all go down the drain. All of those little buffs to scouts makes it extremely attractive as a combat suit in comparison to an assault suit. Pros: They're going to be able to avoid adv scanners without a single skill point, making flanking a thing Two equipment Higher speed Cloaks Smaller targets/hitboxes Vastly superior regeneration Higher jump height = Overall better mobility Extra stamina Cons: 100~ less base HP One less slot Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Consider, for example, that the Cal scout can get 450 shields with a 50 HP/s regen and a 2s recharge delay. Honestly the more I think about it, the less ridiculous the 10% ROF bonus on assaults sounds Well I don't think that will be the case just look how many currently use assualt heavies (heavie +RR or CR) over assault suits just because everyone is afraid of the low TTK. Only smart player will make the scout work. Another point with all the current changes to heavie and scout suits it is more than likely that assault suits will get an overhaul as well. And if the currently know bonusses will come into the game they will get a huge buff, assaults will be a force to recon on the battlefield. Additionally I think we will see a good number of gallente logis this scanner bonus is just . All in all I think we will get a good diversity in suits on the field...
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 831	Posted - 2014.01.20 08:41:00 - [100] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I absolutely cannot believe I'm saying this. Disclaimer: I am not saying "OMG THIS IS OP NERF IT NOW!", but I'm saying it's going to be interesting to say the least. We don't know the new medium frame stats so this might all go down the drain. All of those little buffs to scouts makes it extremely attractive as a combat suit in comparison to an assault suit. Pros: They're going to be able to avoid adv scanners without a single skill point, making flanking a thing Two equipment Higher speed Cloaks Smaller targets/hitboxes Vastly superior regeneration Higher jump height = Overall better mobility Extra stamina Cons: 100~ less base HP One less slot Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Consider, for example, that the Cal scout can get 450 shields with a 50 HP/s regen and a 2s recharge delay. Honestly the more I think about it, the less ridiculous the 10% ROF bonus on assaults sounds I gotta say: I think CCP did overdo this. They are releasing new rebonused suits that will bring scouts in line with other suits in the game but the cloak is just too much. Scouts will be FOTM. Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!

NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 29	Posted - 2014.01.20 08:50:00 - [101] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: Cat Merc wrote: I absolutely cannot believe I'm saying this. Disclaimer: I am not saying "OMG THIS IS OP NERF IT NOW!", but I'm saying it's going to be interesting to say the least. We don't know the new medium frame stats so this might all go down the drain. All of those little buffs to scouts makes it extremely attractive as a combat suit in comparison to an assault suit. Pros: They're going to be able to avoid adv scanners without a single skill point, making flanking a thing Two equipment Higher speed Cloaks Smaller targets/hitboxes Vastly superior regeneration Higher jump height = Overall better mobility Extra stamina Cons: 100~ less base HP One less slot Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Consider, for example, that the Cal scout can get 450 shields with a 50 HP/s regen and a 2s recharge delay. Honestly the more I think about it, the less ridiculous the 10% ROF bonus on assaults sounds I gotta say: I think CCP did overdo this. They are releasing new rebonused suits that will bring scouts in line with other suits in the game but the cloak is just too much. Scouts will be FOTM. Cloaks will allow them to actually flank and kill with nova kvives, oh how I love killing protos with knives
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2087	Posted - 2014.01.20 09:12:00 - [102] - Quote You non-scouts never realised that most scouts with any sense can already get under advanced scanners passively with no mods? hehe Dust2Dust - Funeral arrangements for all of New Eden. Join our public channel D2D. to chat and squad with us.
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 29	Posted - 2014.01.20 09:14:00 - [103] - Quote As punishment, I will kill every proto player with cloaked knives but leave every other player alone.
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5942	Posted - 2014.01.20 09:17:00 - [104] - Quote Django Quik wrote: You non-scouts never realised that most scouts with any sense can already get under advanced scanners passively with no mods? hehe I found that out a couple of days back. The sheer number of Scan Prevented notices........ "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2180	Posted - 2014.01.20 09:36:00 - [105] - Quote I'm going into Scouts just to use as my match-opening deploy dropsuit. I already do it now, but now I won't be too concerned about finding the nearest Supply Depot to get into my Heavy (which greatly appreciates the oncoming swarm of Light frames) Natalie Portman.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1673	Posted - 2014.01.20 10:11:00 - [106] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Are you QQ because 360scan514 is over and flanking can actually happen? Where in the op does it say they're complaining about these changes? Don't mind him, he's butthurt at me because I'm against tanks lol i dont mind if bad players are against tanks Bet ya if you go infantry I will smack you over and over again until you cry What makes you so sure about that? I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5768	Posted - 2014.01.20 10:12:00 - [107] - Quote Django Quik wrote: You non-scouts never realised that most scouts with any sense can already get under advanced scanners passively with no mods? hehe Actually I do. I meant proto scanners, will fix that soon. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Rusty Shallows 843	Posted - 2014.01.20 12:08:00 - [108] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Rusty Shallows wrote: Scout Registry wrote: The day Nyain San ditches Tanks and Logi Frames in favor of the Scout, is the day we'll know we've created a monster. As O'Dell and Legend have done with Tanks, we Scouts -- if necessary -- will be the among the first in the Forums with specific complaints and fix recommendations. Should imbalance prove in our favor, we will make every effort to see our suit returned to Hard Mode roots. Honorable but be warned those of us who tried to discuss issues with Forge Guns were drowned out by calls to nerf. In Dust 514 emotional nerfing beats rationale discourse all the time. I wish you and Ghost K all the best. Thanks! Also, since when did I become nameworthy? Knowledgable and helpful people tend to get stuck with dirty tasks. When the grievances start flying it will be from all kinds of people both good and bad. Some of those who respond will be doing it in a genuine earnest matter. Based on your past behaviors I'm betting you are one of them. It's practically a forgone conclusion Cloaks and Scouts are going to get flak. Observing how people rise to the challenge will be interesting. MCC Lounge Lizard Forums > Game Fix the game CCP
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5769	Posted - 2014.01.20 13:16:00 - [109] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: What makes you so sure about that? Because I took on the best players in PC one on one and won. I think I can take on a tanker with a god complex outside of his tin can. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5769	Posted - 2014.01.20 13:18:00 - [110] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Are you QQ because 360scan514 is over and flanking can actually happen? The fact that this comment got 8 likes shows how much people care about reading the post and or how bad they are at comprehending what is written. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos

OZAROW Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 1274	Posted - 2014.01.20 14:13:00 - [111] - Quote Scouts had 6 slots in chrome an two equip, I can see people wanting to cloak, but people in this game are greedy, and selfish and also very bad at aiming. Not all but a lot . They want high HP and dps, hence the heavy RR phenomenon, so I see lots of heavies an commandos if given a full respec. An if no respec, any now med frame with under 14 mill sp that's never been a full time scout would be crazy to switch now if they don't have more sp for a suit their used to running. I can see having a main proto an then a second scout proto if you had more than 14 mill, but not under if your not a full scout already. Scouts soak up so much sp for one an two, for how quick you die running proto, 100 mill won't even last you a month. Plus sg and Nk aren't the easiest things to use, check the shinobi kill board only a few have broke 150 or finished the contest in the first few days. I see the gal scout getting its armor rep knocked down to +1 anyway, or the way cloaking works getting dumbed down, but I don't see slayer assault/logi/heavies now dropping for a weak 400 HP shield scout with 70 armor, or the profile being such a big deal either, scouts now with a proto an level 2 damp dodge adv scanners, an only need a MTL damp to beat proto, so your late to that party. Haha I can't wait to see the FTOM scouts scream nerf on all the weapons they use! SUPER NOVA KNIFE SAIYAN 4
Faquira Bleuetta Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 182	Posted - 2014.01.20 14:24:00 - [112] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: I for one will be going Amarr scout because it is what I've wanted to play my entire DUST career, it simply wasn't available to me. amarr scout sux QQ king kobrah QQ
Faquira Bleuetta Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 182	Posted - 2014.01.20 14:27:00 - [113] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: The amarr scout will be so bad since it's going to be the slowest scout and the one with the second lowest passive repair. But that Caldari scout with a complex armor repper and 40 hp/s is going to be god like. As soon as he is off your screen he will be at full HP. fixed QQ king kobrah QQ
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1467	Posted - 2014.01.20 14:32:00 - [114] - Quote shady merc wrote: While I see the potential of the scout becoming possible OP. I think we will see the rise of an assault suit using cloaks. With the current scout bonus to cloak being 15% to fittings, and assuming the basic scout doesn't have to destroy his entire fit to use on then its not so bad for an assault to equip. 15% is nice but that can be gained though passive bonuses. Combine with the additional hit points of the assault and the fact that they are not much slower then scouts, this game may become very "campy". I can see ambush being mostly cloak infantry with drop ships and tanks roaming the field. The thing about this is that CCP is implementing cloaks in DUST like they do in EVE - HUUUUGE fitting costs, made reasonable only by the Scout class fitting bonus. Any other suit fitting cloak is going to pay a crippling price for it. I support SP rollover.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2258	Posted - 2014.01.20 16:13:00 - [115] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Are you QQ because 360scan514 is over and flanking can actually happen? The fact that this comment got 8 likes shows how much people care about reading the post and or how bad they are at comprehending what is written. lol still butthurt Intelligence is OP
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5773	Posted - 2014.01.20 16:14:00 - [116] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Are you QQ because 360scan514 is over and flanking can actually happen? The fact that this comment got 8 likes shows how much people care about reading the post and or how bad they are at comprehending what is written. lol still butthurt No, not butthurt, amused. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 715	Posted - 2014.01.20 16:47:00 - [117] - Quote If the Gal Logi precision bonus goes through, I'll be skilling into Gal Scout since it'll be the only suit that's capable of easily defeating the Gal Logi's 21dB proto scans (1 complex dampener at Lvl 3 scout, or one basic dampener at Lvl 5 scout). Any other scout will need two modules minimum to dodge 21dB scans, and forget it for medium suits. Though I suppose it'll all depend on how cloak works with relation to active scanners.
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 94	Posted - 2014.01.20 17:06:00 - [118] - Quote Summary: game is changing, stubborn gamers freaking out as usual without having tried any of the changes.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5774	Posted - 2014.01.20 17:10:00 - [119] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: Summary: game is changing, stubborn gamers freaking out as usual without having tried any of the changes. Summary of Summary: Exact opposite of of what was said. I am not freaking out, more intrigued about how it will all play out and if CCP knows what they're doing. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Denn Maell PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 88	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:10:00 - [120] - Quote With TTK being what it is, those Resistance bonuses built in to the sentinel will beGÇªcute. Any Assault bonus to weapons is a simultaneous partial buff but also a hard-felt nerd to eHPs. You'll see the Assualts trying out their shiny new 'buffs' only to be instantly vaporized because more people rock mediums these days than any other size. Scouts (whether your truly scouting, force recon-ing, or prison shanking) will simply sidestep the bull**** and continue to excel. You want to know why Assaults can't Assault as good as Logis? Its because medium don't excel at anything. To little HP to last more than a fraction of a second in a straight fight. Too little speed and stealth to take advantage of cover and tactics. If you're a medium your just meat in the grinderGÇª The most OP weapon on the Dust Battle Field: One good logi, one rep tool, and a heavy.

Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 568	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:53:00 - [121] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Initially they might be, but I don't suspect they will for long. The playstyle I find with my scouting is a lot slower paced, its more about position than fire power, its all about being unseen and undectected. I don't think many players will have the patience for it. They will gravitate to higher EHP fits which fill more generic roles post initial interest. I don't think PC will every truly be a player for cloaked scouts when a pair of logis could clear the point much faster. The point we doom sayers are making is that UNLESS something changes with the assault suits that theoretically scout suits (at least Gallente) will only suffer a 100 or so EHP decrease compared to assaults with oh so much more upside due to the reasons the OP listed. I would personally like to see scouts stay as they are and assault suits and logis get a little more EHP bonus to balance it out and bring TTK up. That's where I'm coming from, leave the new suits be but keep in mind they are getting improved while, to me at least, assault is not getting improved nearly as much and logis are getting nerfed a little. And yes I understand scout and heavy suits deserve some buffing compared to the med. frames, but that doesn't mean they need to be improved to OPness. A rotation of which class is currently OP compared to others is not balance it is just a cycle of a section of the player base being angry. I think a can build the new Gallente scout to be the frontline flanking combat suit I've struggled hard to play with Minmatar assault and I can't wait to try it out, however, it would be nice for people who want to stick with something like Mimatar assault to be viable as well.
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 2109	Posted - 2014.01.20 21:18:00 - [122] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Rusty Shallows wrote: Scout Registry wrote: The day Nyain San ditches Tanks and Logi Frames in favor of the Scout, is the day we'll know we've created a monster. As O'Dell and Legend have done with Tanks, we Scouts -- if necessary -- will be the among the first in the Forums with specific complaints and fix recommendations. Should imbalance prove in our favor, we will make every effort to see our suit returned to Hard Mode roots. Honorable but be warned those of us who tried to discuss issues with Forge Guns were drowned out by calls to nerf. In Dust 514 emotional nerfing beats rationale discourse all the time. I wish you and Ghost K all the best. Thanks! Also, since when did I become nameworthy? Knowledgable and helpful people tend to get stuck with dirty tasks. When the grievances start flying it will be from all kinds of people both good and bad. Some of those who respond will be doing it in a genuine earnest way. Based on your past behaviors I'm betting you are one of them. It's practically a forgone conclusion Cloaks and Scouts are going to get flak. Observing how people rise to the challenge will be interesting. Stahp it. You're making me blush lol. Thanks. I try to be as impartial as possible when discussing things. Byproduct of being a Science Major. Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. Minmatar. In Rust we trust.


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