DUST Search - Prediction: Scouts are going to become FOTM (It feels weird as **** to type it)

Maken Tosch wrote:

IgniteableAura wrote:

Really you think scouts will be FOTM? Especially since heavys are getting 15% dmg reductions to the primary dmg dealing weapons to their tank type. I see heavys with >1500hp already. Add another 15% on top of that....

I think all the different suits will have a nice role to play. Scouts will have way less dmg projection and HP than all the other suit types. You will be sorely disappointed if you have never played scout and you spec into it, thinking it will be OP. We still have less HP, less CPU/PG than any other suit class in the game.

It may sound scary to face a scout with 500hp in shields but a flux nade will give them 80hp and a long delay to get it back. I don't think they will be OP. There will actually be interesting game mechanics to employ now instead of stack a single mod and proto weapon.

All I can say to those wanting to flip over to scout. Good luck and welcome to hard mode. The current scouts will let CCP know if we are OP. We don't want it to be FOTM or OP.

Spot on.

Veteran scouts will be the ones to truly tell if the suit is OP or not after the changes. Not some inexperienced noob who is trying out scouts for the first time.

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NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 20	Posted - 2014.01.20 05:26:00 - [91] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: I don't think scouts will ever become OP, solely due to the amount of skill it takes to use them, and their low health. I just really really hope that they aren't Nyan Spammed to death, resulting in an unnecessary nerf. yep nyan will get them nerfed
Vell0cet SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 812	Posted - 2014.01.20 05:45:00 - [92] - Quote I expect a ton of scouts in 1.8, mostly to play with the new cloaks and to change up what has been fairly stale gameplay. Even if this is the case, I think it will make fights a lot more tactical and fun. I love the direction of the Sentinal racial damage bonuses, it's going to create a need for squads/teams to have a lot of variety which is really awesome. If cloaking is OP, one nerf that would be reasonable is adding deployables that decloak anything within x meters. This would force cloakies to the periphery of the battlefield (where they belong). I'm expecting really awesome/deep and thoughtful fights in the future. This is truly a great direction for the game. Quick/Dirty Test Range Idea
Lorhak Gannarsein 1248	Posted - 2014.01.20 07:05:00 - [93] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: IgniteableAura wrote: Really you think scouts will be FOTM? Especially since heavys are getting 15% dmg reductions to the primary dmg dealing weapons to their tank type. I see heavys with >1500hp already. Add another 15% on top of that.... I think all the different suits will have a nice role to play. Scouts will have way less dmg projection and HP than all the other suit types. You will be sorely disappointed if you have never played scout and you spec into it, thinking it will be OP. We still have less HP, less CPU/PG than any other suit class in the game. It may sound scary to face a scout with 500hp in shields but a flux nade will give them 80hp and a long delay to get it back. I don't think they will be OP. There will actually be interesting game mechanics to employ now instead of stack a single mod and proto weapon. All I can say to those wanting to flip over to scout. Good luck and welcome to hard mode. The current scouts will let CCP know if we are OP. We don't want it to be FOTM or OP. Spot on. Veteran scouts will be the ones to truly tell if the suit is OP or not after the changes. Not some inexperienced noob who is trying out scouts for the first time. wait what? I'm pretty sure that we were saying this about tanks from the beginning (If you want, I'll see if I can dig up some of the early discussion of fittings, although I think most of it was done through other channels than the forums). The writing was on the wall - the massive buffers from stacked hardeners, the enormous DPS buffs... The only thing that wasn't buffed was blasters, ironically, though their hit detection was drastically improved. Then all the newbies started using it. Admittedly, most of them would have described it as 'good' and 'fun', but in the context of 'inexperienced noob', that's basically the same thing. God, I remember cussing out so many people who were crying about the tank changes... We're not all Taka and Spkr. Basically, what I'm trying to say is this: If the scout is OP, it'll be the inexperienced noobs who tell us. It'll be groups like Nyain San, like Mottanai. There are a few veteran tankers saying 'no, this is fine'. We'll see. Happily printing ISK with permahardeners and MLT blasters. Just let me get a couple mil more before nerf, CCP!
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5936	Posted - 2014.01.20 07:15:00 - [94] - Quote Initially they might be, but I don't suspect they will for long. The playstyle I find with my scouting is a lot slower paced, its more about position than fire power, its all about being unseen and undectected. I don't think many players will have the patience for it. They will gravitate to higher EHP fits which fill more generic roles post initial interest. I don't think PC will every truly be a player for cloaked scouts when a pair of logis could clear the point much faster. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2038	Posted - 2014.01.20 07:30:00 - [95] - Quote I was Gal scout before it was cool... And will remain so... hopefully Cloaks will be broken so they don't work when implemented... I'll get a strong scout, but not strong enough to deserve a nerf... A-Teams win Battles B-Teams win Campaigns C-Teams win Wars
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5541	Posted - 2014.01.20 07:34:00 - [96] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Initially they might be, but I don't suspect they will for long. The playstyle I find with my scouting is a lot slower paced, its more about position than fire power, its all about being unseen and undectected. I don't think many players will have the patience for it. They will gravitate to higher EHP fits which fill more generic roles post initial interest. I don't think PC will every truly be a player for cloaked scouts when a pair of logis could clear the point much faster. What are you trying to say? That I'm more generic than you? More boring? ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Kosakai ZionTCD Public Disorder. 7	Posted - 2014.01.20 08:06:00 - [97] - Quote wtf? 99% of playtime iam scout... till now scouts are weak as hell... and iam not QQ about that!! and now its our turn!!! stop QQ assaults..... SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 2092	Posted - 2014.01.20 08:11:00 - [98] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: Scout Registry wrote: The day Nyain San ditches Tanks and Logi Frames in favor of the Scout, is the day we'll know we've created a monster. As O'Dell and Legend have done with Tanks, we Scouts -- if necessary -- will be the among the first in the Forums with specific complaints and fix recommendations. Should imbalance prove in our favor, we will make every effort to see our suit returned to Hard Mode roots. Honorable but be warned those of us who tried to discuss issues with Forge Guns were drowned out by calls to nerf. In Dust 514 emotional nerfing beats rationale discourse all the time. I wish you and Ghost K all the best. Thanks! Also, since when did I become nameworthy? Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 480	Posted - 2014.01.20 08:33:00 - [99] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I absolutely cannot believe I'm saying this. Disclaimer: I am not saying "OMG THIS IS OP NERF IT NOW!", but I'm saying it's going to be interesting to say the least. We don't know the new medium frame stats so this might all go down the drain. All of those little buffs to scouts makes it extremely attractive as a combat suit in comparison to an assault suit. Pros: They're going to be able to avoid adv scanners without a single skill point, making flanking a thing Two equipment Higher speed Cloaks Smaller targets/hitboxes Vastly superior regeneration Higher jump height = Overall better mobility Extra stamina Cons: 100~ less base HP One less slot Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Consider, for example, that the Cal scout can get 450 shields with a 50 HP/s regen and a 2s recharge delay. Honestly the more I think about it, the less ridiculous the 10% ROF bonus on assaults sounds Well I don't think that will be the case just look how many currently use assualt heavies (heavie +RR or CR) over assault suits just because everyone is afraid of the low TTK. Only smart player will make the scout work. Another point with all the current changes to heavie and scout suits it is more than likely that assault suits will get an overhaul as well. And if the currently know bonusses will come into the game they will get a huge buff, assaults will be a force to recon on the battlefield. Additionally I think we will see a good number of gallente logis this scanner bonus is just . All in all I think we will get a good diversity in suits on the field...
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 831	Posted - 2014.01.20 08:41:00 - [100] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I absolutely cannot believe I'm saying this. Disclaimer: I am not saying "OMG THIS IS OP NERF IT NOW!", but I'm saying it's going to be interesting to say the least. We don't know the new medium frame stats so this might all go down the drain. All of those little buffs to scouts makes it extremely attractive as a combat suit in comparison to an assault suit. Pros: They're going to be able to avoid adv scanners without a single skill point, making flanking a thing Two equipment Higher speed Cloaks Smaller targets/hitboxes Vastly superior regeneration Higher jump height = Overall better mobility Extra stamina Cons: 100~ less base HP One less slot Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Consider, for example, that the Cal scout can get 450 shields with a 50 HP/s regen and a 2s recharge delay. Honestly the more I think about it, the less ridiculous the 10% ROF bonus on assaults sounds I gotta say: I think CCP did overdo this. They are releasing new rebonused suits that will bring scouts in line with other suits in the game but the cloak is just too much. Scouts will be FOTM. Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!

NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 29	Posted - 2014.01.20 08:50:00 - [101] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: Cat Merc wrote: I absolutely cannot believe I'm saying this. Disclaimer: I am not saying "OMG THIS IS OP NERF IT NOW!", but I'm saying it's going to be interesting to say the least. We don't know the new medium frame stats so this might all go down the drain. All of those little buffs to scouts makes it extremely attractive as a combat suit in comparison to an assault suit. Pros: They're going to be able to avoid adv scanners without a single skill point, making flanking a thing Two equipment Higher speed Cloaks Smaller targets/hitboxes Vastly superior regeneration Higher jump height = Overall better mobility Extra stamina Cons: 100~ less base HP One less slot Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Consider, for example, that the Cal scout can get 450 shields with a 50 HP/s regen and a 2s recharge delay. Honestly the more I think about it, the less ridiculous the 10% ROF bonus on assaults sounds I gotta say: I think CCP did overdo this. They are releasing new rebonused suits that will bring scouts in line with other suits in the game but the cloak is just too much. Scouts will be FOTM. Cloaks will allow them to actually flank and kill with nova kvives, oh how I love killing protos with knives
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2087	Posted - 2014.01.20 09:12:00 - [102] - Quote You non-scouts never realised that most scouts with any sense can already get under advanced scanners passively with no mods? hehe Dust2Dust - Funeral arrangements for all of New Eden. Join our public channel D2D. to chat and squad with us.
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 29	Posted - 2014.01.20 09:14:00 - [103] - Quote As punishment, I will kill every proto player with cloaked knives but leave every other player alone.
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5942	Posted - 2014.01.20 09:17:00 - [104] - Quote Django Quik wrote: You non-scouts never realised that most scouts with any sense can already get under advanced scanners passively with no mods? hehe I found that out a couple of days back. The sheer number of Scan Prevented notices........ "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2180	Posted - 2014.01.20 09:36:00 - [105] - Quote I'm going into Scouts just to use as my match-opening deploy dropsuit. I already do it now, but now I won't be too concerned about finding the nearest Supply Depot to get into my Heavy (which greatly appreciates the oncoming swarm of Light frames) Natalie Portman.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1673	Posted - 2014.01.20 10:11:00 - [106] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Are you QQ because 360scan514 is over and flanking can actually happen? Where in the op does it say they're complaining about these changes? Don't mind him, he's butthurt at me because I'm against tanks lol i dont mind if bad players are against tanks Bet ya if you go infantry I will smack you over and over again until you cry What makes you so sure about that? I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5768	Posted - 2014.01.20 10:12:00 - [107] - Quote Django Quik wrote: You non-scouts never realised that most scouts with any sense can already get under advanced scanners passively with no mods? hehe Actually I do. I meant proto scanners, will fix that soon. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Rusty Shallows 843	Posted - 2014.01.20 12:08:00 - [108] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Rusty Shallows wrote: Scout Registry wrote: The day Nyain San ditches Tanks and Logi Frames in favor of the Scout, is the day we'll know we've created a monster. As O'Dell and Legend have done with Tanks, we Scouts -- if necessary -- will be the among the first in the Forums with specific complaints and fix recommendations. Should imbalance prove in our favor, we will make every effort to see our suit returned to Hard Mode roots. Honorable but be warned those of us who tried to discuss issues with Forge Guns were drowned out by calls to nerf. In Dust 514 emotional nerfing beats rationale discourse all the time. I wish you and Ghost K all the best. Thanks! Also, since when did I become nameworthy? Knowledgable and helpful people tend to get stuck with dirty tasks. When the grievances start flying it will be from all kinds of people both good and bad. Some of those who respond will be doing it in a genuine earnest matter. Based on your past behaviors I'm betting you are one of them. It's practically a forgone conclusion Cloaks and Scouts are going to get flak. Observing how people rise to the challenge will be interesting. MCC Lounge Lizard Forums > Game Fix the game CCP
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5769	Posted - 2014.01.20 13:16:00 - [109] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: What makes you so sure about that? Because I took on the best players in PC one on one and won. I think I can take on a tanker with a god complex outside of his tin can. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5769	Posted - 2014.01.20 13:18:00 - [110] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Are you QQ because 360scan514 is over and flanking can actually happen? The fact that this comment got 8 likes shows how much people care about reading the post and or how bad they are at comprehending what is written. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos

OZAROW Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 1274	Posted - 2014.01.20 14:13:00 - [111] - Quote Scouts had 6 slots in chrome an two equip, I can see people wanting to cloak, but people in this game are greedy, and selfish and also very bad at aiming. Not all but a lot . They want high HP and dps, hence the heavy RR phenomenon, so I see lots of heavies an commandos if given a full respec. An if no respec, any now med frame with under 14 mill sp that's never been a full time scout would be crazy to switch now if they don't have more sp for a suit their used to running. I can see having a main proto an then a second scout proto if you had more than 14 mill, but not under if your not a full scout already. Scouts soak up so much sp for one an two, for how quick you die running proto, 100 mill won't even last you a month. Plus sg and Nk aren't the easiest things to use, check the shinobi kill board only a few have broke 150 or finished the contest in the first few days. I see the gal scout getting its armor rep knocked down to +1 anyway, or the way cloaking works getting dumbed down, but I don't see slayer assault/logi/heavies now dropping for a weak 400 HP shield scout with 70 armor, or the profile being such a big deal either, scouts now with a proto an level 2 damp dodge adv scanners, an only need a MTL damp to beat proto, so your late to that party. Haha I can't wait to see the FTOM scouts scream nerf on all the weapons they use! SUPER NOVA KNIFE SAIYAN 4
Faquira Bleuetta Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 182	Posted - 2014.01.20 14:24:00 - [112] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: I for one will be going Amarr scout because it is what I've wanted to play my entire DUST career, it simply wasn't available to me. amarr scout sux QQ king kobrah QQ
Faquira Bleuetta Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 182	Posted - 2014.01.20 14:27:00 - [113] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: The amarr scout will be so bad since it's going to be the slowest scout and the one with the second lowest passive repair. But that Caldari scout with a complex armor repper and 40 hp/s is going to be god like. As soon as he is off your screen he will be at full HP. fixed QQ king kobrah QQ
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1467	Posted - 2014.01.20 14:32:00 - [114] - Quote shady merc wrote: While I see the potential of the scout becoming possible OP. I think we will see the rise of an assault suit using cloaks. With the current scout bonus to cloak being 15% to fittings, and assuming the basic scout doesn't have to destroy his entire fit to use on then its not so bad for an assault to equip. 15% is nice but that can be gained though passive bonuses. Combine with the additional hit points of the assault and the fact that they are not much slower then scouts, this game may become very "campy". I can see ambush being mostly cloak infantry with drop ships and tanks roaming the field. The thing about this is that CCP is implementing cloaks in DUST like they do in EVE - HUUUUGE fitting costs, made reasonable only by the Scout class fitting bonus. Any other suit fitting cloak is going to pay a crippling price for it. I support SP rollover.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2258	Posted - 2014.01.20 16:13:00 - [115] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Are you QQ because 360scan514 is over and flanking can actually happen? The fact that this comment got 8 likes shows how much people care about reading the post and or how bad they are at comprehending what is written. lol still butthurt Intelligence is OP
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5773	Posted - 2014.01.20 16:14:00 - [116] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Are you QQ because 360scan514 is over and flanking can actually happen? The fact that this comment got 8 likes shows how much people care about reading the post and or how bad they are at comprehending what is written. lol still butthurt No, not butthurt, amused. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 715	Posted - 2014.01.20 16:47:00 - [117] - Quote If the Gal Logi precision bonus goes through, I'll be skilling into Gal Scout since it'll be the only suit that's capable of easily defeating the Gal Logi's 21dB proto scans (1 complex dampener at Lvl 3 scout, or one basic dampener at Lvl 5 scout). Any other scout will need two modules minimum to dodge 21dB scans, and forget it for medium suits. Though I suppose it'll all depend on how cloak works with relation to active scanners.
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 94	Posted - 2014.01.20 17:06:00 - [118] - Quote Summary: game is changing, stubborn gamers freaking out as usual without having tried any of the changes.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5774	Posted - 2014.01.20 17:10:00 - [119] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: Summary: game is changing, stubborn gamers freaking out as usual without having tried any of the changes. Summary of Summary: Exact opposite of of what was said. I am not freaking out, more intrigued about how it will all play out and if CCP knows what they're doing. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Denn Maell PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 88	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:10:00 - [120] - Quote With TTK being what it is, those Resistance bonuses built in to the sentinel will beGÇªcute. Any Assault bonus to weapons is a simultaneous partial buff but also a hard-felt nerd to eHPs. You'll see the Assualts trying out their shiny new 'buffs' only to be instantly vaporized because more people rock mediums these days than any other size. Scouts (whether your truly scouting, force recon-ing, or prison shanking) will simply sidestep the bull**** and continue to excel. You want to know why Assaults can't Assault as good as Logis? Its because medium don't excel at anything. To little HP to last more than a fraction of a second in a straight fight. Too little speed and stealth to take advantage of cover and tactics. If you're a medium your just meat in the grinderGÇª The most OP weapon on the Dust Battle Field: One good logi, one rep tool, and a heavy.



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