DUST Search - Prediction: Scouts are going to become FOTM (It feels weird as **** to type it)

Cat Merc wrote:

OZAROW wrote:

I predict that you starting this thread, is a way to get things in people's head before the suit even comes out, being the start of the Nerf QQ, so thanks for that. But i don't know if ur a scout, if so shame on you for drawing attention to our suits lol.

But heres the thing, TRUE SCOUTS, will kick ACE with these, because our adv suit is now going to be our basic an our proto will be our adv, we're used to horrible suits, med frames are not.

And the gallente is the only one any assault player will switch too, because of its bonuses BUT that means proto or nothing for the assaults that like to trade shots, they will be too used to taking fire that they will get frustrated before reaching proto I hope!

But with new cloaking being a thing people will want I see your point, only gallente tho, med frames won't adapt to the other scouts as decently, and I assume that most med frames don't have SP in the places as scouts an it will be noticeable .

If scouts switch to med frames the transition would be easy an deadly because we already have almost every mod , most med frames never invested in any electronics or speed, so they ll run brick scouts, an if I'm correct from what I've read cloaking won't work if your damaged or passively repairing ( could be wrong) but a bricked gal scout with 3 HP rep trying to fix a 720 health bar is gonna be a sitting duck.
Not to mention CPU an pg is nothing like a med frame suit.

True scouts are gonna tear things up, but med frames I think will get frustrated, HOPEFULLY!
An if assaults are getting rof bonuses TTK on a scout will be vicious, I see slayer logies going gallente logi as FTOM or back to assaults, an a lot of heavies, but their will be a lot of new scouts but I don't see that being their main fits, why go scout, when gal logi can have CPU bonuses to equip to run cloaks, enought lows to dampen an run CPU pg extenders , scanners an damage mods with more HP , same with amar logistics, also having a sidearm an cloak possibility .

I hope your wrong, I just spend 8 months in scout hell, if assaults make it get nerfed, then leave it once it's nerfed the scout community is gonna be friggen choked after getting so excited for a long awaited buff, but shame on you for mentioning it.

Shame on me for mentioning a possible imbalance?

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Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 90	Posted - 2014.01.19 21:18:00 - [61] - Quote Definitely. Even for people that abuse these new bonuses, we true scouts will make use of them for recon, infiltration,assassination, counter intelligence and the like
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1462	Posted - 2014.01.19 21:18:00 - [62] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: Having spent the past few months struggling with minmatar assaults the new Galente scout will suit that speedy assault class way better. Too true. The Minny Assault is the most unloved and neglected medium frame in the game. I support SP rollover.
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 323	Posted - 2014.01.19 21:19:00 - [63] - Quote I personaly think we will se even more heavys than ever before, with built in resists, and the ability to equip any gun in the game they can do what every they freaken want, and will easily have 3-5x the HP of most scouts. Commandos will likely be fairly popular aswell.
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1462	Posted - 2014.01.19 21:20:00 - [64] - Quote CRYPT3C W0LF wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Scouts will be powerful in their prospective role. Not OP. We still won't be able to take on groups of Assaults or Heavies head on. You will see a lot of hit and run or assassination tactics instead. The "Light Assault" scout will be a definite move for some Med frame players, but they will have to get used to the insanely low eHP that comes with this. Take the Cal scout for instance. You wanna run 4 complex shields? That 44 PG right off the bat. HALF of your PG is gone. You also kill your shield depleted, so you will need to run a regulator in your low. You know have one low slot to build your suit. So if you run a PG mod (So you can fit everything else) you have no speed. Or dampening. A Gal logi will scan you with no problems, and other suits Proto scans will scan you. Stealth is now gone, and your speed is "decent" at best (My min assault can sprint faster than you). You are now running a watered down assault. You would be better off sticking with the Cal assault, running 502 shields with 60hp/s recharge and regulators and Armor in your lows. Cat Merc specifically stated he in the first post that he's not saying scouts will be OP. The thread title doesn't suggest that either. He's simply suggesting it will be a FOTM. It is possible to be the FOTM without being OP. Is it me, or is that missing logic? :P Do you mean in the same way that mass buys and sells on the stock markets are missing logic? I support SP rollover.
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6503	Posted - 2014.01.19 21:21:00 - [65] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: I personaly think we will se even more heavys than ever before, with built in resists, and the ability to equip any gun in the game they can do what every they freaken want, and will easily have 3-5x the HP of most scouts. Commandos will likely be fairly popular aswell. I definitely see heavies and commandos being used a lot more than the scouts. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. 2792	Posted - 2014.01.19 21:26:00 - [66] - Quote The least of my concerns is the scout being FOTM Because CCP can't fall back on the scout again we would cry again Check out latest BSOTT Guide
Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries Legacy Rising 658	Posted - 2014.01.19 21:33:00 - [67] - Quote I think with 1.8 the era of the FOTM is done. There will be so many different roles, some will be more universal, some will be niche, but I think it will be fairly balanced with everything. Of course we will have to see how it goes. You may even be right.
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 62	Posted - 2014.01.19 21:43:00 - [68] - Quote I have been using a dragonly scout suit with all militia mods and the toxins for weapons recently with a basic scanner. I have been enjoying it. Since aim assist and all of the other changes came in I find stealth is a much more viable tactic when you are running solo. Speed means little, certainly not as much as it did. Now I just need to avoid ALL scanner completely and I could be even more deadly.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 80	Posted - 2014.01.19 21:52:00 - [69] - Quote I don't think scouts will ever become OP, solely due to the amount of skill it takes to use them, and their low health. I just really really hope that they aren't Nyan Spammed to death, resulting in an unnecessary nerf. Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives. https://dust514.com/recruit/k3vMnb/
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 80	Posted - 2014.01.19 21:56:00 - [70] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: I think with 1.8 the era of the FOTM is done. There will be so many different roles, some will be more universal, some will be niche, but I think it will be fairly balanced with everything. Of course we will have to see how it goes. You may even be right. I really really hope you are right Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives. https://dust514.com/recruit/k3vMnb/

OZAROW Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 1262	Posted - 2014.01.19 23:32:00 - [71] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: OZAROW wrote: I predict that you starting this thread, is a way to get things in people's head before the suit even comes out, being the start of the Nerf QQ, so thanks for that. But i don't know if ur a scout, if so shame on you for drawing attention to our suits lol. But heres the thing, TRUE SCOUTS, will kick ACE with these, because our adv suit is now going to be our basic an our proto will be our adv, we're used to horrible suits, med frames are not. And the gallente is the only one any assault player will switch too, because of its bonuses BUT that means proto or nothing for the assaults that like to trade shots, they will be too used to taking fire that they will get frustrated before reaching proto I hope! But with new cloaking being a thing people will want I see your point, only gallente tho, med frames won't adapt to the other scouts as decently, and I assume that most med frames don't have SP in the places as scouts an it will be noticeable . If scouts switch to med frames the transition would be easy an deadly because we already have almost every mod , most med frames never invested in any electronics or speed, so they ll run brick scouts, an if I'm correct from what I've read cloaking won't work if your damaged or passively repairing ( could be wrong) but a bricked gal scout with 3 HP rep trying to fix a 720 health bar is gonna be a sitting duck. Not to mention CPU an pg is nothing like a med frame suit. True scouts are gonna tear things up, but med frames I think will get frustrated, HOPEFULLY! An if assaults are getting rof bonuses TTK on a scout will be vicious, I see slayer logies going gallente logi as FTOM or back to assaults, an a lot of heavies, but their will be a lot of new scouts but I don't see that being their main fits, why go scout, when gal logi can have CPU bonuses to equip to run cloaks, enought lows to dampen an run CPU pg extenders , scanners an damage mods with more HP , same with amar logistics, also having a sidearm an cloak possibility . I hope your wrong, I just spend 8 months in scout hell, if assaults make it get nerfed, then leave it once it's nerfed the scout community is gonna be friggen choked after getting so excited for a long awaited buff, but shame on you for mentioning it. Shame on me for mentioning a possible imbalance? A POSSIBLE INBALANCE? It's been unbalanced since uprising , where have you been? Theirs only one serious good scour out of the bunch an that's the gall scout, this should have been done months ago, proto gal logis, cal logis, op scr, duvolles, RR, an your worried about scouts? Only reason is cuz now med frames have a new threat, an the chrome scout is back! We ve been getting better an better training in the weakest suits, an it's obvious your not worried about the med frames being scouts, your worried about amazing scouts, that know how to be scouts being able to kill you an be ghost. Balanced isn't med frames crushing everybody, it's every one finally having a role, an now they do. Yea the gall scout will be a slayer, for a good player, not every player, it's weapons that need balance SUPER NOVA KNIFE SAIYAN 4
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3780	Posted - 2014.01.19 23:41:00 - [72] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I absolutely cannot believe I'm saying this. Disclaimer: I am not saying "OMG THIS IS OP NERF IT NOW!", but I'm saying it's going to be interesting to say the least. We don't know the new medium frame stats so this might all go down the drain. All of those little buffs to scouts makes it extremely attractive as a combat suit in comparison to an assault suit. Pros: They're going to be able to avoid adv scanners without a single skill point, making flanking a thing Two equipment Higher speed Cloaks Smaller targets/hitboxes Vastly superior regeneration Higher jump height = Overall better mobility Extra stamina Cons: 100~ less base HP One less slot Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Consider, for example, that the Cal scout can get 450 shields with a 50 HP/s regen and a 2s recharge delay. Honestly the more I think about it, the less ridiculous the 10% ROF bonus on assaults sounds Heh. Scouts can be all the FOTM you want them to be.Still,good scouts will always come on top of scrubby ones/FOTM chasers/tourists. PLUS. Im thinking that assaults have a very decent bonus (except amarr ones), plus Heavies and Commandos DO look pretty strong as well.... GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
Kuze Izumi WarRavens League of Infamy 14	Posted - 2014.01.20 02:28:00 - [73] - Quote I can guarantee you that in those first few weeks you will see many people try the cloak and I bet if they try and play rush offense only death will greet them. I can't wait for the 1.8 patch my gal scout can only get better...
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 535	Posted - 2014.01.20 02:53:00 - [74] - Quote Kuze Izumi wrote: I can guarantee you that in those first few weeks you will see many people try the cloak and I bet if they try and play rush offense only death will greet them. I can't wait for the 1.8 patch my gal scout can only get better... If anything this is why scouts could be FOTM. With the new cloaks everyone is going to want to play with them...and scouts just make it easiest. It's truly a game changing mechanic. Also if cloaking is extremely OP those people will stick around.
Rusty Shallows 839	Posted - 2014.01.20 02:57:00 - [75] - Quote If Scouts end up getting hate it will be one of those double-whammies. Cloak plus weapon X (1HK or crazy DPS) equals nerf screams on the suit and weapon. Some will say blame the weapon while others say the cloak. Regardless if "Scouts are OP," returns to forums it will be entertaining. If Plasma Cannons get nerfed because of Cloaks I will die laughing. Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Are you QQ because 360scan514 is over and flanking can actually happen? Are Vehicle Module Scanners going directional? I'm pretty sure 360 scanning will remain in this game in some shape or form. MCC Lounge Lizard Forums > Game Fix the game CCP
Rusty Shallows 840	Posted - 2014.01.20 03:08:00 - [76] - Quote Scout Registry wrote: The day Nyain San ditches Tanks and Logi Frames in favor of the Scout, is the day we'll know we've created a monster. As O'Dell and Legend have done with Tanks, we Scouts -- if necessary -- will be the among the first in the Forums with specific complaints and fix recommendations. Should imbalance prove in our favor, we will make every effort to see our suit returned to Hard Mode roots. Honorable but be warned those of us who tried to discuss issues with Forge Guns were drowned out by calls to nerf. In Dust 514 emotional nerfing beats rationale discourse all the time. I wish you and Ghost K all the best. MCC Lounge Lizard Forums > Game Fix the game CCP
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6508	Posted - 2014.01.20 03:10:00 - [77] - Quote I agree with Ozarow. Us scouts have had it rough for the past year and I will be angry as hell if the scouts get nerfed once again because people will think they are OP when they might not be. We have trained vigorously as scouts to fight in suits that are so handicapped that we are finally happy for once in our lives to see scouts getting the love they deserve. And we will be damned if we let scouts get nerfed once again. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
pseudosnipre 568	Posted - 2014.01.20 03:25:00 - [78] - Quote Scout is a playstyle that differs greatly from frontline. Dumping SP into scout suits and trying to play them like a frontline assault will just **** people off when their KDR plummets. Nobody picks you up when you flank solo and you have to be way more aware unless you brick tank and then the speed sucks. But at least there will be more qq threads about terrain glitches, sticky walls, sprint bugs, passive detection anomalies, etc. Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3806	Posted - 2014.01.20 03:32:00 - [79] - Quote After re-reading the stats: I actually think Commandos are going to be the New FOTM next to heavies..... GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2662	Posted - 2014.01.20 03:43:00 - [80] - Quote lol say it ain't soooo oho whooa...your OP is a hearbreaker Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]

Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5515	Posted - 2014.01.20 03:48:00 - [81] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: After re-reading the stats: I actually think Commandos are going to be the New FOTM next to heavies..... The Gallente Commando is particularly going to be quite frightening. I've worked with proto fits of all them, but this is the one that scares me the most. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3808	Posted - 2014.01.20 03:51:00 - [82] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: After re-reading the stats: I actually think Commandos are going to be the New FOTM next to heavies..... The Gallente Commando is particularly going to be quite frightening. I've worked with proto fits of all them, but this is the one that scares me the most. Im mostly scared of the Minmatar with MAss driver / Combat rifle combo... GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
xxwhitedevilxx M Expert Intervention Caldari State 1481	Posted - 2014.01.20 03:51:00 - [83] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: After re-reading the stats: I actually think Commandos are going to be the New FOTM next to heavies..... The Gallente Commando is particularly going to be quite frightening. I've worked with proto fits of all them, but this is the one that scares me the most. ...but I really think they're going to rebalance assault and logi. We'll see. Tank 514.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5515	Posted - 2014.01.20 03:55:00 - [84] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: After re-reading the stats: I actually think Commandos are going to be the New FOTM next to heavies..... The Gallente Commando is particularly going to be quite frightening. I've worked with proto fits of all them, but this is the one that scares me the most. Im mostly scared of the Minmatar with MAss driver / Combat rifle combo... Minmatar Commando doesn't get nearly the same total HP and has some issues with PG/CPU. The Gallente Commando is the only Commando that can easily fit all proto mods and proto weapons. At least, from what I've tested in fittings. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
shady merc RisingSuns Public Disorder. 38	Posted - 2014.01.20 03:57:00 - [85] - Quote While I see the potential of the scout becoming possible OP. I think we will see the rise of an assault suit using cloaks. With the current scout bonus to cloak being 15% to fittings, and assuming the basic scout doesn't have to destroy his entire fit to use on then its not so bad for an assault to equip. 15% is nice but that can be gained though passive bonuses. Combine with the additional hit points of the assault and the fact that they are not much slower then scouts, this game may become very "campy". I can see ambush being mostly cloak infantry with drop ships and tanks roaming the field.
IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis 522	Posted - 2014.01.20 03:58:00 - [86] - Quote Really you think scouts will be FOTM? Especially since heavys are getting 15% dmg reductions to the primary dmg dealing weapons to their tank type. I see heavys with >1500hp already. Add another 15% on top of that.... I think all the different suits will have a nice role to play. Scouts will have way less dmg projection and HP than all the other suit types. You will be sorely disappointed if you have never played scout and you spec into it, thinking it will be OP. We still have less HP, less CPU/PG than any other suit class in the game. It may sound scary to face a scout with 500hp in shields but a flux nade will give them 80hp and a long delay to get it back. I don't think they will be OP. There will actually be interesting game mechanics to employ now instead of stack a single mod and proto weapon. All I can say to those wanting to flip over to scout. Good luck and welcome to hard mode. The current scouts will let CCP know if we are OP. We don't want it to be FOTM or OP. PHI Recruitment or PHIsh Tank in game Youtube
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6508	Posted - 2014.01.20 04:13:00 - [87] - Quote IgniteableAura wrote: Really you think scouts will be FOTM? Especially since heavys are getting 15% dmg reductions to the primary dmg dealing weapons to their tank type. I see heavys with >1500hp already. Add another 15% on top of that.... I think all the different suits will have a nice role to play. Scouts will have way less dmg projection and HP than all the other suit types. You will be sorely disappointed if you have never played scout and you spec into it, thinking it will be OP. We still have less HP, less CPU/PG than any other suit class in the game. It may sound scary to face a scout with 500hp in shields but a flux nade will give them 80hp and a long delay to get it back. I don't think they will be OP. There will actually be interesting game mechanics to employ now instead of stack a single mod and proto weapon. All I can say to those wanting to flip over to scout. Good luck and welcome to hard mode. The current scouts will let CCP know if we are OP. We don't want it to be FOTM or OP. Spot on. Veteran scouts will be the ones to truly tell if the suit is OP or not after the changes. Not some inexperienced noob who is trying out scouts for the first time. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 592	Posted - 2014.01.20 04:16:00 - [88] - Quote Gallente light suits were the first thing I skilled into besides Sniper Rifle Operation. Just Saiyan.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 593	Posted - 2014.01.20 04:19:00 - [89] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: After re-reading the stats: I actually think Commandos are going to be the New FOTM next to heavies..... The Gallente Commando is particularly going to be quite frightening. I've worked with proto fits of all them, but this is the one that scares me the most. Im mostly scared of the Minmatar with MAss driver / Combat rifle combo... Minmatar Commando doesn't get nearly the same total HP and has some issues with PG/CPU. The Gallente Commando is the only Commando that can easily fit all proto mods and proto weapons. At least, from what I've tested in fittings. Gallente Master Race
Vesperz D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 23	Posted - 2014.01.20 05:05:00 - [90] - Quote Good thing I've stuck with the scout fit since Chrome. Live by honor, kill by stealth.



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