sure, the amarr bonus could use a bit of tweaking but your assumption is wrong. actually you can and this is how balancing works.

I also think the amarr bonus, while maybe a bit too low, is underrated by many. the amarr scout is obviously more geared towards combat with the HP it has and with the stamina bonus it can move around the map over long distances faster than other suits despite having the lowest sprint speed of all scouts and due to this provide flanking and firepower where it is needed.

After skills, the ak.0 has 446 CPU and 92 PG

3 complex plates, 1 advanced plate, 2 complex shield extenders: 218 CPU and 64 PG used

adding a K17/D (R) hive: 265 cpu and 76 PG used

220 shield, 779 armor, 2 weapon slots, a grenade slot and an equip slot free, with 181 CPU and 16 PG free to fit them


You should know me enough by now Aero that i don't comment on things that i can't back up :P

sure, the amarr bonus could use a bit of tweaking but your assumption is wrong. actually you can and this is how balancing works.

I also think the amarr bonus, while maybe a bit too low, is underrated by many. the amarr scout is obviously more geared towards combat with the HP it has and with the stamina bonus it can move around the map over long distances faster than other suits despite having the lowest sprint speed of all scouts and due to this provide flanking and firepower where it is needed.

So I took the liberty to do the same thing with the gk.0. After skills it has 433 CPU and 97 PG

3 complex plates, 1 advanced plate, 2 complex shield extenders: 218 CPU and 64 PG used

adding a K17/D (R) hive: 265 CPU and 76 PG used

233 shield, 729 armor, 2 weapon slots, a grenade slot, and an equip slot free with 168 CPU and 21 PG free to fit them

That is 37 less EHP, 13 less CPU, 5 more PG, and faster than the Amarr scout.
So yeah, tell me how this argument of Amarr being so combat ready that it doesn't deserve a bonus equivalent to a complex mod, yet the Gal scout is arguably more combat ready and can get a bonus equivalent to a complex mod plus a secondary bonus.

sure, the amarr bonus could use a bit of tweaking but your assumption is wrong. actually you can and this is how balancing works.

I also think the amarr bonus, while maybe a bit too low, is underrated by many. the amarr scout is obviously more geared towards combat with the HP it has and with the stamina bonus it can move around the map over long distances faster than other suits despite having the lowest sprint speed of all scouts and due to this provide flanking and firepower where it is needed.

at no point did i say the amarr scout doesn't deservse better bonuses, i merely stated that if your proposal went ahead, the amarr would have the same stats as gallente but double stamina and over double stamina regen, which may outstrip a minny scout at being the runner at the start of a match

at no point did i say the amarr scout doesn't deservse better bonuses, i merely stated that if your proposal went ahead, the amarr would have the same stats as gallente but double stamina and over double stamina regen, which may outstrip a minny scout at being the runner at the start of a match

The Amarr scout would have similar stats but over double the Gallente's stamina, but the Gallente would have similar stats and a far more reduced profile signature and increased scan radius.

Who says the Minmatar Scout should be the long runner? I think Minnie Scout is more meant for short runs.

Plus I think Gallente is already better for long runs over Minnie due to more low slots.

The amarr scout already has nearly 50% more stamina and nearly double the stamina regen,

While the gallente is getting a nice profile sig reduction, scanners are also getting buffed by way of the new gal logi bonuses and has a counter, stamina and its regen does not have a counter

The amarr scout already has nearly 50% more stamina and nearly double the stamina regen,

While the gallente is getting a nice profile sig reduction, scanners are also getting buffed by way of the new gal logi bonuses and has a counter, stamina and its regen does not have a counter

So you are saying that because 1 suit has a bonus to scanners that is fine when you consider leaving the Amarr suit with sub par bonuses, because as it stand the Gal Scout will evadae Adv scanners with no points invested into Profile dampening. And frankly speaking when you consider the scouts already have more biotic potential than assaults....... the ability to go unseen on passive and active scans is far more valuable.

again, I am not against changing the current bonus to amarr scouts as i stated in a previous post, i am merely against raising the bonus to that of a complex stamina mod

again, I am not against changing the current bonus to amarr scouts as i stated in a previous post, i am merely against raising the bonus to that of a complex stamina mod

Do you consider it unreasonable to give Amarr scouts a complex Cardiac Regulator as the level 5 bonus? For upwards of 3 million SP and only one specific bonus as compared to the Gal, Cal, and Min bonuses we deserve something worthwhile.

Then how about you put a little more effort into proposing a solution then?

Personally I would scrap the stamina bonus and grant a clipsize increase on the scrambler pistols, basically moving the old clipsize bonus from the minny assault, put it on the amarr scout

Tech De Ra, my apologies for missing this bit as this thread has been moving quickly


Here's the problem with this

1) Clipsize increase is already the Scrambler Pistol Operations skill, so this becomes redundant
2) Every other scout gets a primary racial bonus equivalent to a complex mod plus a secondary bonus as well

I wouldn't say its redundant, giving it more ammo on top of its operation skill would provide a unique, lore freindly, bonus that would define the amarr scout

I understand your reasonings behind the bonuses, the theory is sound. But looking at the numbers (minny gets +37.5% hacking speed and 25% NK damage), caldari gets 25% precision, gal gets 25% damping, amarr gets about 45% more stamina and nearly 100% more regen over other scouts

Numbers wise, its pretty much all in line, The main problem is that some scouts get 2 bonuses to the amarr's one bonus, perhaps giving it another bonus on the side of its stamina bonus would be in order

Wait, so what is it, clipsize or ammo capacity? The ops skill is already a bonus to clip size, another bonus is indeed absolutely redundant.

Also, please forgive me if this sounds condescending because it is not my intention, but are you perhaps only worried about making the Amarr racial bonus equivalent to the complex cardiac regulator because it would have to be 20% per level and you are used to seeing racial bonuses that are only 5% per level? Quite frankly, there is a reason why the complex cardiac regulator has a bonus of 100% instead of just 25% like nearly every other complex mod. If you compare stamina with any other stat one-on-one, stamina is not as valuable linearly speaking. That is why the complex caridac regulator is 100% increase. So yes, while it may look like 100% increase in stamina isn't roughly the same value as 37.5% hacking speed, 25% precision, or 25% dampening, I assure you it indeed is. If you do not believe this to be the case, then you should probably go campaigning to get the value of the complex cardiac regulator reduced.

Giving the amarr scout even more stamina via the bonus would allow it to sprint much, MUCH further than other races using the same suit class, at the cost of having slightly lower speed but still a speed comparable with assault suits

Who said Amarr are supposed to have the least mobility? They are supposed to have the least speed, and they do. And even though it is Amarr, it is still a scout and needs to be treated like a scout. That's why I'd really rather not have the bonus be towards scrambler pistols, that is too combat oriented for what is a suit designed around avoiding scanners, scanning enemies, cloaking, and being mobile.

I'm not dead set that the Amarr bonus needs to be towards stamina, but unless you want to have some overlap with other racial skills than there is not much else it could be. Again, the suit is a scout, so it needs a scout related bonus. This includes a bonus to the following:

• Stamina (biotics)
• Speed (biotics)
• Hand-to-hand combat (biotics)
• Scan radius (electronics)
• Scan precision (electronics)
• Profile dampening (electronics)
• Cloaking

The bonuses for the other races all fall into one of these scouting categories, and so should the Amarr's. So what should it be if not the proper complex mod version of a cardiac regulator? And keep in mind, even then with the Amarr scout able to sprint for 45 seconds, it is still the slowest. While yes it could use a low slot to make it faster than the Minmatar, the Minmatar could use a low slot to make itself even faster as well. And even then, the Minmatar scout will always have a faster movement speed, a stat that cannot be increased with any skills or mods.

So you are saying that because 1 suit has a bonus to scanners that is fine when you consider leaving the Amarr suit with sub par bonuses, because as it stand the Gal Scout will evadae Adv scanners with no points invested into Profile dampening. And frankly speaking when you consider the scouts already have more biotic potential than assaults....... the ability to go unseen on passive and active scans is far more valuable.

Although I agree that the amarr bonus seems slightly underwhelming its not a bad bonus at all. And stamina is just for running its justed for jumping as well. I can't count the times I died in my scout suit just because my stamina runs out in the wrong moment...

I have no problem with making the Amarr Scout bonus 20% more stamina per level and 5% (or 10%, I don't know?) more stamina regen per level.

That would make the Amarr Scout a long runner (but still slow at that), while Minnie would still be best for the short runs.

I am not saying that a bonus to stamina would be bad, all I'm saying is that in order to make it a bonus on par with the rest you'd need to increase how much per level it is. See the post directly above yours to see what I mean.

Also jumping doesn't take away a set amount of stamina, rather a percentage of your total stamina. So no matter how much stamina you have, the number of times you can jump in succession is the same.

The complex cardiac regulator is 100% more stamina and stamina regen