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Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.01.17 11:07:00 -
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The Caldari Scout racial bonus is 5% scan radius per level and 5% scan precision per level. At level 5, this is the equivalent of one free standard range amplifier and one free complex precision enhancer (actually a little more since complex precision enhancers are 20%)
The Gallente Scout racial bonus is 5% scan radius per level and 5% profile signature reduction per level At level 5, this is the equivalent of one free standard range amplifier and one free complex profile dampener.
The Minmatar Scout racial bonus is 5% hacking speed and nova knife damage per level. At level 5, this is the equivalent of one free complex code breaker and multiple free complex sidearm damage modifiers
And now for the fun part, The Amarr Scout racial bonus is 5% stamina recovery and max stamina per level. At level 5, this is the equivalent of less than one basic cardiac regulator, and that's it. A basic cardiac regulator does 25% more stamina and 50% more stamina recovery.
So all other races get a free complex module and then some, but Amarr scout gets the short end of the stick here. I think it would be more than fair to bump this bonus to 20% stamina recovery and max stamina per level, which at level 5 would be 100% bonus to each which is the equivalent of one complex cardiac regulator.
ARC Commander
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N1ck Comeau
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
1824
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Posted - 2014.01.17 11:08:00 -
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Sounds good to me
Minmatar Assault.
Hopeful Caldari Scout soon. praying for that respec.
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Rogue Saint
Science For Death
679
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Posted - 2014.01.17 11:10:00 -
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I hate agreeing with an Amarr scum, but you're right, "bro".
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KingBabar
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2014.01.17 11:12:00 -
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I approve, even With a total + 100% its still a fairly weak bonus compared to the others, though it can be great for the start of matches sending a fast runner With an uplink, so its not useless either.
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VikingKong iBUN
Third Rock From The Sun INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
16
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Posted - 2014.01.17 11:12:00 -
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N1ck Comeau wrote:Sounds good to me this |
Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.01.17 11:14:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:I approve, even With a total + 100% its still a fairly weak bonus compared to the others, though it can be great for the start of matches sending a fast runner With an uplink, so its not useless either. Yup. I know 100% bonus may sound ridiculous, but you have to keep in mind it is for stamina. There is a reason why complex cardiac regulators also have a 100% bonus to stamina.
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OZAROW
Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance
1258
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Posted - 2014.01.17 11:17:00 -
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Totally fair, I dunno what the low slot layout is but it would be nice to not need that modual an stack speed since you ll probably be slow
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Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
5248
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Posted - 2014.01.17 11:19:00 -
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N1ck Comeau wrote:Sounds good to me When you say sounds good, do you mean the current Amarr racial bonus sounds good? Or my proposed revision sounds good?
ARC Commander
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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
2602
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Posted - 2014.01.17 11:22:00 -
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OZAROW wrote:Totally fair, I dunno what the low slot layout is but it would be nice to not need that modual an stack speed since you ll probably be slow
2 high and 3 lows. 4 lows at prototype.
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
2848
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Posted - 2014.01.17 11:23:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:The Caldari Scout racial bonus is 5% scan radius per level and 5% scan precision per level. At level 5, this is the equivalent of one free standard range amplifier and one free complex precision enhancer (actually a little more since complex precision enhancers are 20%)
The Gallente Scout racial bonus is 5% scan radius per level and 5% profile signature reduction per level At level 5, this is the equivalent of one free standard range amplifier and one free complex profile dampener.
The Minmatar Scout racial bonus is 5% hacking speed and nova knife damage per level. At level 5, this is the equivalent of one free complex code breaker and multiple free complex sidearm damage modifiers
And now for the fun part, The Amarr Scout racial bonus is 5% stamina recovery and max stamina per level. At level 5, this is the equivalent of less than one basic cardiac regulator, and that's it. A basic cardiac regulator does 25% more stamina and 50% more stamina recovery.
So all other races get a free complex module and then some, but Amarr scout gets the short end of the stick here. I think it would be more than fair to bump this bonus to 20% stamina recovery and max stamina per level, which at level 5 would be 100% bonus to each which is the equivalent of one complex cardiac regulator.
Well spotted.
I also have a problem with giving them stamina in the first place. There's a cut off point where any greater distance is better covered by LAV. The only exception I can think of is those times on open maps when I've laid a trail of uplinks towards an objective. And since the Amarr Scout isn't getting the Uplink bonus it should be, that point seems moot now anyway.
No.
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Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
5249
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Posted - 2014.01.17 11:31:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:
Well spotted.
I also have a problem with giving them stamina in the first place. There's a cut off point where any greater distance is better covered by LAV. The only exception I can think of is those times on open maps when I've laid a trail of uplinks towards an objective. And since the Amarr Scout isn't getting the Uplink bonus it should be, that point seems moot now anyway.
Well since all the other scouts are getting a racial bonus equivalent of a complex module and then some, I don't see what would be wrong with giving the Amarr scout a racial bonus of 20% stamina recovery and max stamina per level (complex cardiac regulator equivalent) plus a bonus to uplinks.
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Meee One
Clones Of The Damned Zero-Day
148
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Posted - 2014.01.17 11:32:00 -
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Slight problem...the 4 low slots. I'm picturing a scout with 2 complex cardiac regulators,2 complex armor plates/repair, Cloak Mmm no. +300% bonuses would be insane. Increase the bonus to a basic cardiac regulator,fine but no higher. Op is Op even in light form.
Why?
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
2850
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Posted - 2014.01.17 11:35:00 -
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Meee One wrote:Slight problem...the 4 low slots. I'm picturing a scout with 2 complex cardiac regulators,2 complex armor plates/repair, Cloak Mmm no. +300% bonuses would be insane. Increase the bonus to a basic cardiac regulator,fine but no higher. Op is Op even in light form.
In what situation is an abundance of stamina OP??????
No.
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Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
5249
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Posted - 2014.01.17 11:35:00 -
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Meee One wrote:Slight problem...the 4 low slots. I'm picturing a scout with 2 complex cardiac regulators,2 complex armor plates/repair, Cloak Mmm no. +300% bonuses would be insane. Increase the bonus to a basic cardiac regulator,fine but no higher. Op is Op even in light form. You really think that would be OP? Because honestly as Chunky Munkey said there is a point where more stamina just doesn't mean anything. Also Gallente scouts also have 4 low slots, yet still get a racial bonus for a complex profile dampener (a low slot). Why is this not OP then, by your logic?
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Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
5249
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Posted - 2014.01.17 11:37:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Meee One wrote:Slight problem...the 4 low slots. I'm picturing a scout with 2 complex cardiac regulators,2 complex armor plates/repair, Cloak Mmm no. +300% bonuses would be insane. Increase the bonus to a basic cardiac regulator,fine but no higher. Op is Op even in light form. In what situation is an abundance of stamina OP?????? When the map looks like this and the team vehicle quota has been reached, duh
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Haerr
Molon Labe. Public Disorder.
144
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Posted - 2014.01.17 11:41:00 -
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Since on the other suits (Assault, Logi) Amarr has one less High/Low (In exchange for more base HP and more base Stamina) than the other factions we could say that since the Amarr scouts gets the extra base HP and extra base Stamina without losing a High/Low slot that the Amarr Scout has +1 High/Low slot.
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Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.01.17 11:43:00 -
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Haerr wrote:Since on the other suits (Assault, Logi) Amarr has one less High/Low (In exchange for more base HP and more base Stamina) than the other factions we could say that since the Amarr scouts gets the extra base HP and extra base Stamina without losing a High/Low slot that the Amarr Scout has +1 High/Low slot.
Check out the Amarr Commando and the Amarr Sentinel, both have the same number of slots as the other races. Previous racial themes in Dust can be discarded, they are taking a new approach to this. And actually, the Sentinel and Commando suits are even a little bit slower now than they used to be, which could of been done to compensate the extra module.
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Kallas Hallytyr
Skullbreakers
278
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Posted - 2014.01.17 11:44:00 -
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Agreed.
The stamina bonus is weak tea compared to the other Scouts. Perhaps they could get: +20% bonus to stamina regen rate, max stamina and -5% (or +, I'm not sure which way it would work) to Uplink Spawn Times per level.
I definitely agree that the stamina bonus as is is not up to par. |
Meee One
Clones Of The Damned Zero-Day
148
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Posted - 2014.01.17 11:48:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote: You really think that would be OP? Because honestly as Chunky Munkey said there is a point where more stamina just doesn't mean anything. Also Gallente scouts also have 4 low slots, yet still get a racial bonus for a complex profile dampener (a low slot). Why is this not OP then, by your logic?
I never said it wasn't. I was responding to the topic. Instead of saying ' it's OP'. Suggest reductions to them(instead of 5% how about 2 or 3?),and an additional bonus effect for amarr scouts.(passive armor plates bonus) I'm not a scout but i know a bad idea when i read it. Also these stats aren't finalized,so calm down.
Why?
Beads.
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Haerr
Molon Labe. Public Disorder.
144
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Posted - 2014.01.17 11:51:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Haerr wrote:Since on the other suits (Assault, Logi) Amarr has one less High/Low (In exchange for more base HP and more base Stamina) than the other factions we could say that since the Amarr scouts gets the extra base HP and extra base Stamina without losing a High/Low slot that the Amarr Scout has +1 High/Low slot.
Check out the Amarr Commando and the Amarr Sentinel, both have the same number of slots as the other races. Previous racial themes in Dust can be discarded, they are taking a new approach to this. And actually, the Sentinel and Commando suits are even a little bit slower now than they used to be, which could of been done to compensate the extra module.
Right you are!
Yeah that Amarr bonus is looking pretty damn weak now...
Perhaps add stamina damage when a Amarr scout hits with it's weapon? That would be fun, like a sort of web / point bonus in dust.
Edit: Or neut if we think that stamina is cap. |
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Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
5256
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Posted - 2014.01.17 11:55:00 -
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Meee One wrote: I never said it wasn't. I was responding to the topic. Instead of saying ' it's OP'. Suggest reductions to them(instead of 5% how about 2 or 3?),and an additional bonus effect for amarr scouts.(passive armor plates bonus) I'm not a scout but i know a bad idea when i read it. Also these stats aren't finalized,so calm down.
I love when people say this. What makes you think I am not calm? I am the most calm person around,bro But if I'm not allowed to give feedback because it makes me sound uncalm, then what is the point of even releasing this info before it's finalized? Just let us peacefully give our feedback
And why is it a bad idea, can you explain that one too me? Because to me all it sounds like is you are freeing up one of the low slots for another module of choice. Adding a second complex cardiac regulator on top of my proposed change wouldn't make you OP, because in fact you'd hardly notice a difference, most people don't over 2 minutes straight sprinting in an FPS. Likewise with the Gallente bonus, all it means is they do not need to fit complex profile dampener because they are already below proto scans. Adding another wouldn't provide any additional benefit.
So please, tell me how this is such a bad idea.
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Spartan MK420
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
82
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Posted - 2014.01.17 12:03:00 -
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Give them +5% to jump height :P So that they can be all halo style then, run and jump 20m into the air and shotgun you in the face.
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Haerr
Molon Labe. Public Disorder.
144
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Posted - 2014.01.17 12:03:00 -
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Meee One
Clones Of The Damned Zero-Day
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Posted - 2014.01.17 12:28:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:So please, tell me how this is such a bad idea. Its nice how you pick out one sentence and then make a whole paragraph about it whilst simultaneously insulting meee and ignoring the rest of my post. Scouts aren't vehicles and shouldn't be comperable to such. "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure." I'm trying to prevent a pandemic you are trying to start. Hyper run stats wouldn't allow for any retreat.It would ve impossible to escape. Think about the players who wouldn't have this dash ability.Typical response:"well hurr jez becum a skout urself" Aka fight tank spam with tank spam,and we all know how well that worked (it didn't) I'm not going to feed you anymore. All you're going to do is pick 1 word/sentence of all my post and ignore the rest. tl;dr http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UDnTJcjPhY
Why?
Beads.
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Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
5265
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Posted - 2014.01.17 12:45:00 -
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Meee One wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:So please, tell me how this is such a bad idea. Its nice how you pick out one sentence and then make a whole paragraph about it whilst simultaneously insulting meee and ignoring the rest of my post. Scouts aren't vehicles and shouldn't be comperable to such. "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure." I'm trying to prevent a pandemic you are trying to start. Hyper run stats wouldn't allow for any retreat.It would ve impossible to escape. Think about the players who wouldn't have this dash ability.Typical response:"well hurr jez becum a skout urself" Aka fight tank spam with tank spam,and we all know how well that worked (it didn't) I'm not going to feed you anymore. All you're going to do is pick 1 word/sentence of all my post and ignore the rest. tl;dr http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UDnTJcjPhY I made a couple remarks about your one sentence and then proceeded to address the rest of your points, what are you talking about?
Also the scout with the bonuses I provided would never be able to fill the role of a vehicle because a) they aren't nearly as fast, plus this is the slow Amarr scout we're talking about and b) even if they were, you can't piggy back someone over to an objective.
And this dash ability you are describing, I am a little confused. You are aware that we are talking about stamina, correct? And that that is different than speed? And that even with one complex cardiac regulator you already pretty much never have to worry about stamina? And that all I'm suggesting is make that a free bonus to the Amarr scout since other scouts are getting a free complex module and then some? Have you even used a complex cardiac regulator before?]
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Mortedeamor
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Posted - 2014.01.17 13:00:00 -
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i agree +1
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Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
3167
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Posted - 2014.01.17 13:40:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:The Caldari Scout racial bonus is 5% scan radius per level and 5% scan precision per level. At level 5, this is the equivalent of one free standard range amplifier and one free complex precision enhancer (actually a little more since complex precision enhancers are 20%)
The Gallente Scout racial bonus is 5% scan radius per level and 5% profile signature reduction per level At level 5, this is the equivalent of one free standard range amplifier and one free complex profile dampener.
The Minmatar Scout racial bonus is 5% hacking speed and nova knife damage per level. At level 5, this is the equivalent of one free complex code breaker and multiple free complex sidearm damage modifiers
And now for the fun part, The Amarr Scout racial bonus is 5% stamina recovery and max stamina per level. At level 5, this is the equivalent of less than one basic cardiac regulator, and that's it. A basic cardiac regulator does 25% more stamina and 50% more stamina recovery.
So all other races get a free complex module and then some, but Amarr scout gets the short end of the stick here. I think it would be more than fair to bump this bonus to 20% stamina recovery and max stamina per level, which at level 5 would be 100% bonus to each which is the equivalent of one complex cardiac regulator.
I agree they're being shorted here (and they're the slowest scout already), but I don't know if that's enough. You point out that every other scout is basically getting multiple modules. The Amarr Scout could possibly use an adjunct to your modified stats. Like, 2% sprint speed per level (would only boost sprint, not move-speed, obviously), a Scram Pistol bonus, link bonus.. something else too.
You also need this comment in the feedback thread if it isn't already.
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Krom Ganesh
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
1249
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Posted - 2014.01.17 13:42:00 -
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+1
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Dirks Macker
Enlightened Infantries Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
119
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Posted - 2014.01.17 13:54:00 -
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The Amarr suit has more survivability when you and the enemy are shooting at one another. You can also stack armor, decloak, and survive much longer than the Minmatar and Caldari scout. You could be close with the Gallente, but why even cloak with the signature damp? That eliminates armor tanking if you go sans cloak.
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
1609
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Posted - 2014.01.17 14:36:00 -
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Dirks Macker wrote:The Amarr suit has more survivability when you and the enemy are shooting at one another. You get either a free basic or enhanced ferroscale plate depending on which suit you are comparing it to.
You can also stack armor, decloak, and survive much longer than the Minmatar and Caldari scout. You could be close with the Gallente, but why even cloak with the signature damp? That eliminates armor tanking if you go sans cloak.
Hooray! A free basic ferroscale plate. Those are pretty OP.
Seriously though, why are you comparing base stats to bonuses? Those are different discussions. The fact that they are slower compensates for the higher eHP. This is true for every Amarr suit of every class.
Putting in my vote for a bonus to uplinks, like the minmatar get a bonus to hacking.
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