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John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 1527	Posted - 2014.01.08 13:28:00 - [1] - Quote Put me firmly in the no respec crowd, can't even guess as to how many times I said on these forums, go shove your core flaylock up your cal logis a$$, you don't get a respec. They hurt the game, they are contrary to the core tenet that your decisions matter, and the more they give them, the more people, will start whining for them every patch. Don't even get me started on the idea of pay-to-win respecs, I might have a stroke. But... If 1.8 (or 2.0, might be more representative) actually does pull in all these new bonuses, and all the new suits, at least a dropsuit tree respec is in order. Full respec? I dunno, I mean I don't see why people need to make major changes to their core upgrades, those help everyone. Why this and not a respec of weapons with the new sidearms and the recent 2 new rifles? Well, weapons are actually the least of all of the SP sinks in the game, I mean, everyone got the new rifles to proto in like a week. Takes a lot longer than that for a suit. Choices do matter, but not if CCP forced you to make a false one because they released an incomplete game. If all I had right now was a minmatar heavy I would not be happy about it, I'd want to get that dirty duct tape covered women's self defense class target suit off me 5 minutes after the new one was released. With all the suits out, it's almost like actually being out of beta. A fresh start for people using gear they were forced to use, not chose because it was OP, is quite fair. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1894	Posted - 2014.01.08 13:30:00 - [2] - Quote The only people who should get a respec are Minmatar Logis...those guys, they got it bad. Oh, and anybody who went into any form of any heavy. Cal/Gal Logis don't deserve a respec. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
gg JKl 7	Posted - 2014.01.08 13:35:00 - [3] - Quote Just give us more x3 SP events.
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 3793	Posted - 2014.01.08 13:36:00 - [4] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: The only people who should get a respec are Minmatar Logis...those guys, they got it bad. Oh, and anybody who went into any form of any heavy. Cal/Gal Logis don't deserve a respec. Do you know how much QQ that would cause over CCP giving some people a respect and others are left out? Anyway, the Dropsuit Upgrades skill tree should also be respecced because a lot of people specced into a certain Dropsuit Upgrade skill to compliment their suit. QW1hcnIgTG9naSBGVFc=
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2439	Posted - 2014.01.08 13:39:00 - [5] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: The only people who should get a respec are Minmatar Logis...those guys, they got it bad. Oh, and anybody who went into any form of any heavy. Cal/Gal Logis don't deserve a respec. I'll never leave my logi suit behind. Never. // Venge Captain // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1366	Posted - 2014.01.08 13:42:00 - [6] - Quote Everything related to vehicles was respecced in 1.7 Now they should just give everything related to dropsuits a respec, this means weapons, suits & core skills, imagine someone not liking their suits anymore wants to go tanking ? does 80% of their sp need to be now tied up in dropsuit support skills ? Tankers got their, now its our turn. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9771	Posted - 2014.01.08 13:44:00 - [7] - Quote It's mostly people who play at the top end who fully appreciate why respecs are necessary when sweeping changes come through. It's hard to make an informed decision about your SP when all your careful planning is yanked out from other you. Respecs are vital to the games survival until CCP has built their foundation. CCP Rouge seems like he's pushing the game in a positive direction, but until we have that solid base set, respecs will be necessary, and will continue to happen. Most importantly, respecs upset far less people than no respecs. Respecs will stop when we have all basic frames for vehicles and dropsuits. Weapons are less important, we have most of what we need there. Once we start getting new content instead of delayed content, respecs will stop. Well, at least free respecs, since CCP has expressed interest in the SP buyback booster. Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
ScottyTheMatchMaking AI Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 26	Posted - 2014.01.08 13:50:00 - [8] - Quote full respects are good they=more competition and competition is good, competition=war and war=$-ÑGé¼-ú, $-ÑGé¼-ú= CCP happy.
Kigurosaka Laaksonen Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 63	Posted - 2014.01.08 13:59:00 - [9] - Quote "your decisions matter" That's all well and good and would be true if Dust had all of its basic content. How are we supposed to make a decision to play a Caldari Heavy, for example, when CCP releases half a game that doesn't include that option? I remember someone saying "What if this is all the basic content?" It very clearly isn't. If this was some new game made by some other company that didn't have to do with EVE, sure. I could buy that. But it's made by CCP and set in the EVE world. CCP has established patterns in EVE that they gave every indication they would follow in Dust, and they haven't. They need to. When all four racial variants of all sizes of basic suits, vehicles, and weapons are in the game, every player should get a full respec and there should never be any kind of respec ever again. After that if a player respec all their SP into a few pieces of proto gear, and that proto gear gets nerfed and they can only run MLT junk, well that's their own damn fault.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 440	Posted - 2014.01.08 14:01:00 - [10] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Put me firmly in the no respec crowd, can't even guess as to how many times I said on these forums, go shove your core flaylock up your cal logis a$$, you don't get a respec. They hurt the game, they are contrary to the core tenet that your decisions matter, and the more they give them, the more people, will start whining for them every patch. Don't even get me started on the idea of pay-to-win respecs, I might have a stroke. But... If 1.8 (or 2.0, might be more representative) actually does pull in all these new bonuses, and all the new suits, at least a dropsuit tree respec is in order. Full respec? I dunno, I mean I don't see why people need to make major changes to their core upgrades, those help everyone. Why this and not a respec of weapons with the new sidearms and the recent 2 new rifles? Well, weapons are actually the least of all of the SP sinks in the game, I mean, everyone got the new rifles to proto in like a week. Takes a lot longer than that for a suit. Choices do matter, but not if CCP forced you to make a false one because they released an incomplete game. If all I had right now was a minmatar heavy I would not be happy about it, I'd want to get that dirty duct tape covered women's self defense class target suit off me 5 minutes after the new one was released. With all the suits out, it's almost like actually being out of beta. A fresh start for people using gear they were forced to use, not chose because it was OP, is quite fair. Full respec no I would expect a refund on Dropsuit, Dropsuitupgrades and Weaponry. As all the new bonusses require new specialisations on all but scout suits (becasue nothing really changed here sadly)

Mordecai Sanguine What The French 255	Posted - 2014.01.08 14:06:00 - [11] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: The only people who should get a respec are Minmatar Logis...those guys, they got it bad. Oh, and anybody who went into any form of any heavy. Cal/Gal Logis don't deserve a respec. You joke right ? They have the best buff ever maded to all logi EVER. 50% more range with repair tool means repair from 50 meters you can repair someone while being out of range of his weapon EASILY!!!!!!! 25% more repair rate means Traige repair tool : 120hp/s and focused : 200hp/s. More hp rate means more point and faster. Don't forget these values are PER LEVEL. While us Amarr were supposed to be the Combat engineer and....NO **** this we just set spawn and then hide somewhere nobody can see at what point we sucks with these bonus.
Skihids Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2657	Posted - 2014.01.08 14:07:00 - [12] - Quote Apparently CCP's decisions are the only ones that matter. We can carefully plan and craft, only to have CCP alter everything in one patch. Nobody is telling CCP that their decisions matter and they can't change everything midstream. Where are the "No respecs for CCP" cries?
Kigurosaka Laaksonen Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 63	Posted - 2014.01.08 14:08:00 - [13] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Respecs will stop when we have all basic frames for vehicles and dropsuits. Weapons are less important, we have most of what we need there. Once we start getting new content instead of delayed content, respecs will stop. Well, at least free respecs, since CCP has expressed interest in the SP buyback booster. I agree with most of this. Calling what we're getting now 'delayed content' is spot on. I'll use that from now on. I used to agree with you on weapons, I do feel now that what we have isn't sufficient. Every race needs a short and long range version of its primary weapon in all sizes. To clarify, we need something like [Race] short/long side/light/heavy and also small / large turret. That's at least 6 unique handheld weapons and 2 vehicle weapons for each race. Like in EVE, Amarr would have Energy, Caldari and Gallente would have Hybrids, Rails and Blasters respectively, and Minmatar would have Projectiles. I use to feel that Caldari's primary weapon were missiles, but they suck in EVE. Let's not **** ourselves. The Scrambler and Laser rifles fill Amarr's light weapon needs well, regardless of both weapons balancing issues. The Scrambler fits the short range light energy and the Laser fills the long range light energy. Every race needs a representation in every category like the Amarr have in light weapons. Once all of these suits, vehicles, and weapons are in the game we can worry more about balancing and adding new suit/vehicle roles and weapons.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2439	Posted - 2014.01.08 14:10:00 - [14] - Quote Skihids wrote: Apparently CCP's decisions are the only ones that matter. We can carefully plan and craft, only to have CCP alter everything in one patch. Nobody is telling CCP that their decisions matter and they can't change everything midstream. Where are the "No respecs for CCP" cries? I'm also in the no-respec crowd but I agree with John. Fix the suits, deliver the missing content and give one last refund of the infantry skill trees. After that they should only tweak and not reinvent them. // Venge Captain // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1602	Posted - 2014.01.08 14:21:00 - [15] - Quote it's sad to be a year into this game and still not have all the basic content =/ here's a list of basic content we are still waiting on. all basic frame. all racial vehicles. market balance and bugs are a separate issue, but these things are seriously the basic game and should be primary focus number 1. i think it was the last convention held by eve, but they have an economist of sorts on staff, i'm guessing at this point he said "can't be done" and went out for coffee 11 months ago, and never came back, thus why we don't have a market.
Draco Cerberus BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 662	Posted - 2014.01.08 14:28:00 - [16] - Quote I gave up a very long time ago thinking that my decisions matter. CCP messes with suit/ship bonuses all the time and don't offer respecs to pilots, and I don't think they will to the ground pounders either. Our decisions pigeon hole us at every major patch with suit and weapon changes. Some good may come out of a respec and I am not against it but thus far CCP has said they will offer no more of them. LogiGod earns his pips
Protocake JR Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 1234	Posted - 2014.01.08 14:29:00 - [17] - Quote You're an idiot. Your decisions do not matter in terms of gameplay (decisions really only matter in the meta game). "Your decisions matter" is a slogan CCP's marketing team came up with to make this lobby shooter look new, revolutionary and important. Your decisions matter in Dust about as much as you can "Have it your way" at Burger King. Your decisions do not matter when CCP can't figure out how to make their game. So they continue to make, remake, and remake yet again the same content over and over. They keep making these *facepalm* decisions that clearly indicate that they are out of touch with the current player base and the overall FPS player base. You honestly sound butthurt over anyone who specced into FOTM. You wanna know something? Whether we get, or don't get respecs, nothing is going to change people chasing the FOTM. I've had proto CR and RR with proficiency and sharpshooter for about a week or two already. No boosters. It's not that difficult. You wanting to deny people respecs is the equivalent of an Adult Tantrum . Saying "no more respecs" is synonymous with saying "I'm a giant tool. I think that this game should treat decisions like real life because I don't have any real responsibilities or decisions to make". The PC and SL should fit into the Sidearm slot so it's accessible and practical to carry one. AV spam vs V spam
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 377	Posted - 2014.01.08 14:34:00 - [18] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Put me firmly in the no respec crowd, can't even guess as to how many times I said on these forums, go shove your core flaylock up your cal logis a$$, you don't get a respec. They hurt the game, they are contrary to the core tenet that your decisions matter, and the more they give them, the more people, will start whining for them every patch. Don't even get me started on the idea of pay-to-win respecs, I might have a stroke. But... If 1.8 (or 2.0, might be more representative) actually does pull in all these new bonuses, and all the new suits, at least a dropsuit tree respec is in order. Full respec? I dunno, I mean I don't see why people need to make major changes to their core upgrades, those help everyone. Why this and not a respec of weapons with the new sidearms and the recent 2 new rifles? Well, weapons are actually the least of all of the SP sinks in the game, I mean, everyone got the new rifles to proto in like a week. Takes a lot longer than that for a suit. Choices do matter, but not if CCP forced you to make a false one because they released an incomplete game. If all I had right now was a minmatar heavy I would not be happy about it, I'd want to get that dirty duct tape covered women's self defense class target suit off me 5 minutes after the new one was released. With all the suits out, it's almost like actually being out of beta. A fresh start for people using gear they were forced to use, not chose because it was OP, is quite fair. Hey, those FOTM users pointed out balance issues with weapons and Mods. They don't hurt the game any more than you hurt the game. They are playing a "game". And not every single person is this evil player you see(FOTM), demanding respecs. Grow up people. Maybe after they put a little more RPG in what is currently a FPS, I'll agree that choices do matter. But when you are forced into the same role for a year, doing this same game mode/ maps over and over, you get bored. In the months before 1.7, I had pretty much stopped playing. Every single match was the same. There was no grand goal to aim for. I had my SP for a given role, and began branching out to another role (a mistake I could not foresee by the way, had I known then what I know now, all my points would be in tanks!). I mean really, after I max out a given role, I want to use that role to do more than the same ** I do all the time. The point and goal of specializing in a given role, atm, is to simply be stronger and more versatile. Let's take WoW for example (vanilla WoW). You leveled up to 60 max level, in a given role. If WoW was like dust, then you would keep doing the same thing you did to get to level 60, grind and kill. But the point here you wouldn't be gaining any experience. But, you still did grind, but there was a purpose beyond gaining a new level. It was for potions and enchants, weapons and armor. All of which was for beating Rag, then you farm Rag for your best gear. There was a reason to keep going. Not to mention, organizing 40 people was amazing to defeat something. Kinda like dust, it was big on the team aspect. But in dust, once you max out your given role, what is the point? I could say PC, but PC is far too small to accommodate everyone out there. But PC is the END GAME. It's like Molten Core. But given most don't do PC or simply can't get into PC, what is the point? The only thing keeping me going is PC, and the respec of my tanking point helped quite a bit. So what is there to do after you max out your role, oh I know, KEEP LEVELING. But for what, there has to be some tangible goal at the end of the tunnel. For anyone other than a power gamer, reaching the max of your given role will take many months (7 months in myself and at 11 mil SP). So now reaching a new role after the first is going to take a bit. I HATED leveling in WoW, at least I did after I reached 60. I did the awful grind, but in dust, that is ALL I'm doing. That god awful grind. PC keeps me somewhat interested, but beyond PC, I might only play a one or two Pub matches. Even the new FW, grind to get gear, but for what? So you can better stomp in your PUBS! I already stomp in pubs, WITHOUT THAT GEAR. Not to mention the fact that I lose money by doing FW. A respec though, allows you to completely change your role. Gives you something fresh and new to play with. Though you may be doing the same stuff as before, now you are doing so from a fresh new perspective. You don't have to do this same boring grind, until dust's competition comes out (It's coming!). This game is like freakin CoD, with a skill tree. Some people may like that, but I came into this game expecting more than another CoD. People want respecs, not because they want to go into the next FOTM or any other ridiculous excuse you can come up with. They want one because they are tired of leveling, to no end.** Nuff Said
Draco Cerberus BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 662	Posted - 2014.01.08 14:36:00 - [19] - Quote calisk galern wrote: it's sad to be a year into this game and still not have all the basic content =/ here's a list of basic content we are still waiting on. all basic frame. all racial vehicles. market balance and bugs are a separate issue, but these things are seriously the basic game and should be primary focus number 1. i think it was the last convention held by eve, but they have an economist of sorts on staff, i'm guessing at this point he said "can't be done" and went out for coffee 11 months ago, and never came back, thus why we don't have a market. Well stated calisk, he's probably sitting on a beach in Shanghai sipping a Mai Tai wondering how long his pay check will keep coming despite not being at the office. "Not enough Data" as the reason for CCP to not implement the market is most likely due to their reluctance to actually release the basic frames, racial vehicles and racial weapons. I would wager that until these things are here we will not see a market. Personally I would enjoy a chance to sell all my salvaged goods as well as stuff I don't use anymore. LogiGod earns his pips
Draco Cerberus BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 663	Posted - 2014.01.08 14:40:00 - [20] - Quote Protocake JR wrote: You're an idiot. Your decisions do not matter in terms of gameplay (decisions really only matter in the meta game). "Your decisions matter" is a slogan CCP's marketing team came up with to make this lobby shooter look new, revolutionary and important. Your decisions matter in Dust about as much as you can "Have it your way" at Burger King. Your decisions do not matter when CCP can't figure out how to make their game. So they continue to make, remake, and remake yet again the same content over and over. They keep making these *facepalm* decisions that clearly indicate that they are out of touch with the current player base and the overall FPS player base. You honestly sound butthurt over anyone who specced into FOTM. You wanna know something? Whether we get, or don't get respecs, nothing is going to change people chasing the FOTM. I've had proto CR and RR with proficiency and sharpshooter for about a week or two already. No boosters. It's not that difficult. You wanting to deny people respecs is the equivalent of an Adult Tantrum . Saying "no more respecs" is synonymous with saying "I'm a giant tool. I think that this game should treat decisions like real life because I don't have any real responsibilities or decisions to make". And you sir are a Protocake...I never said I didn't support a respec I said it was unlikely yet would probably be a good thing. Ass hat. LogiGod earns his pips

Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 377	Posted - 2014.01.08 14:42:00 - [21] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: With all the suits out, it's almost like actually being out of beta. A fresh start for people using gear they were forced to use, not chose because it was OP, is quite fair. A fresh start for people using gear they were forced to use, because the other options were not available. Nuff Said
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1507	Posted - 2014.01.08 14:42:00 - [22] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Put me firmly in the no respec crowd, can't even guess as to how many times I said on these forums, go shove your core flaylock up your cal logis a$$, you don't get a respec. They hurt the game, they are contrary to the core tenet that your decisions matter, and the more they give them, the more people, will start whining for them every patch. Don't even get me started on the idea of pay-to-win respecs, I might have a stroke. But... If 1.8 (or 2.0, might be more representative) actually does pull in all these new bonuses, and all the new suits, at least a dropsuit tree respec is in order. Full respec? I dunno, I mean I don't see why people need to make major changes to their core upgrades, those help everyone. Why this and not a respec of weapons with the new sidearms and the recent 2 new rifles? Well, weapons are actually the least of all of the SP sinks in the game, I mean, everyone got the new rifles to proto in like a week. Takes a lot longer than that for a suit. Choices do matter, but not if CCP forced you to make a false one because they released an incomplete game. If all I had right now was a minmatar heavy I would not be happy about it, I'd want to get that dirty duct tape covered women's self defense class target suit off me 5 minutes after the new one was released. With all the suits out, it's almost like actually being out of beta. A fresh start for people using gear they were forced to use, not chose because it was OP, is quite fair. Core upgrades includes equipment. Some people might not want to use their old eq, ie hacking modules on a Minmatar. Dampeners for a scout
Protocake JR Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 1235	Posted - 2014.01.08 14:45:00 - [23] - Quote Draco Cerberus wrote: Protocake JR wrote: You're an idiot. Your decisions do not matter in terms of gameplay (decisions really only matter in the meta game). "Your decisions matter" is a slogan CCP's marketing team came up with to make this lobby shooter look new, revolutionary and important. Your decisions matter in Dust about as much as you can "Have it your way" at Burger King. Your decisions do not matter when CCP can't figure out how to make their game. So they continue to make, remake, and remake yet again the same content over and over. They keep making these *facepalm* decisions that clearly indicate that they are out of touch with the current player base and the overall FPS player base. You honestly sound butthurt over anyone who specced into FOTM. You wanna know something? Whether we get, or don't get respecs, nothing is going to change people chasing the FOTM. I've had proto CR and RR with proficiency and sharpshooter for about a week or two already. No boosters. It's not that difficult. You wanting to deny people respecs is the equivalent of an Adult Tantrum . Saying "no more respecs" is synonymous with saying "I'm a giant tool. I think that this game should treat decisions like real life because I don't have any real responsibilities or decisions to make". And you sir are a Protocake...I never said I didn't support a respec I said it was unlikely yet would probably be a good thing. Ass hat. LOL oops. I read the first two line and went blind with internet rage. My bad. The PC and SL should fit into the Sidearm slot so it's accessible and practical to carry one. AV spam vs V spam
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2441	Posted - 2014.01.08 14:46:00 - [24] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Full respec? I dunno, I mean I don't see why people need to make major changes to their core upgrades, those help everyone. If the stuff on SiSi lands how it is currently listed you are looking at changes that basically touch almost every part of the skill tree. Also with the way many suits have bonuses tied to specific weapons or damage types the weapon skill tree is affected as well even if not directly. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
Kigurosaka Laaksonen Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 65	Posted - 2014.01.08 14:49:00 - [25] - Quote Any respec due to basic content finally being released should be a full respec. It should also be the last respec.
Draco Cerberus BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 663	Posted - 2014.01.08 14:53:00 - [26] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Full respec? I dunno, I mean I don't see why people need to make major changes to their core upgrades, those help everyone. If the stuff on SiSi lands how it is currently listed you are looking at changes that basically touch almost every part of the skill tree. Also with the way many suits have bonuses tied to specific weapons or damage types the weapon skill tree is affected as well even if not directly. I was wondering if I was the only one that thought this way, and agree, there are major changes that I am not eager to see considering CCP's past position on respecing. Given the overall nature of the changes will we be allowed to respend our SP as we see fit with this patch? LogiGod earns his pips
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 1531	Posted - 2014.01.08 15:03:00 - [27] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Full respec? I dunno, I mean I don't see why people need to make major changes to their core upgrades, those help everyone. If the stuff on SiSi lands how it is currently listed you are looking at changes that basically touch almost every part of the skill tree. Also with the way many suits have bonuses tied to specific weapons or damage types the weapon skill tree is affected as well even if not directly. I'm not necessarily against a full respec, I'm simply pointing out that core skills are not necessarily something someone would want to skill out of if they really gave it some thought. I mean, OK, you lost your hacking bonus for your min logi suit. Pretty lame, though imo that really should be a scout bonus. Anyway, your suit has a different role now. Thing is, if you like that role, why would you want to get rid of your hacking SP? I find it hard to believe that those people who loved their speedy hacker suit are suddenly going to take all the SP out of hacking and put it into rep tools. I'm guessing they would take their dropsuit respec and put it into whatever suit is now supposed to fill that role. That's only one example, and like I said, I'm not really against a full respec. This thread is to get all the respec discussion out of the other threads into one place so it can be debated in a more focused manner. I'm also glad to see I managed to induce rage in at least one person with the bait and swich intro to the thread, lol. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
THE GREY CARDINAL PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 335	Posted - 2014.01.08 15:15:00 - [28] - Quote Dropsuit command rspec is enough, people don't need weapons and dropsuit upgrades respecced as well. Electronic Warfare GOD in the making
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2443	Posted - 2014.01.08 15:16:00 - [29] - Quote Draco Cerberus wrote: Kain Spero wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Full respec? I dunno, I mean I don't see why people need to make major changes to their core upgrades, those help everyone. If the stuff on SiSi lands how it is currently listed you are looking at changes that basically touch almost every part of the skill tree. Also with the way many suits have bonuses tied to specific weapons or damage types the weapon skill tree is affected as well even if not directly. I was wondering if I was the only one that thought this way, and agree, there are major changes that I am not eager to see considering CCP's past position on respecing. Given the overall nature of the changes will we be allowed to respend our SP as we see fit with this patch? If it were just up to me and we ended up with significant changes in a future patch? Yes. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9776	Posted - 2014.01.08 15:29:00 - [30] - Quote THE GREY CARDINAL wrote: Dropsuit command rspec is enough, people don't need weapons and dropsuit upgrades respecced as well. Dropsuits and their bonuses directly determine the modules and weapons you skill into, so yes, those would need to be respeced as well Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict

RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 646	Posted - 2014.01.08 15:31:00 - [31] - Quote CCP changing their game goes against your claim of "they [respecs] are contrary to the core tenet that your decisions matter". Who's stupid now?
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 737	Posted - 2014.01.08 15:32:00 - [32] - Quote At best we should get reimbursed the skill points from the affected skill tree's. So you would get your 2m'ish SP back to reallocate. And if your a commando your suits aren't being changed so there would be no reason for it. Nothing short of Logistic,Assault,Sentinel suit skills getting reimbursed for reallocating.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 737	Posted - 2014.01.08 15:36:00 - [33] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: THE GREY CARDINAL wrote: Dropsuit command rspec is enough, people don't need weapons and dropsuit upgrades respecced as well. Dropsuits and their bonuses directly determine the modules and weapons you skill into, so yes, those would need to be respeced as well Not really, people still get proto rep tools and nanohives without even having anything past a "Dren" logi suit. Weaponry and equipment skills are all reusable on many many different options in DUST, and cheap enough in SP that they can be saved for and skilled into. We don't need a bunch of cookie cutter maxed out in the suit vets the first day, we will start this patch off with massive balance issues.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 3152	Posted - 2014.01.08 15:39:00 - [34] - Quote Swarm Launchers deserve a respec though. I'd rather have a militia Forge gun than a Proto Swarm Launcher with damage proficiency and 3 Complex Damage modifiers. Swarm Launchers are just useless. So.............. how is using something the way I want OP? -Spkr4theDead
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9776	Posted - 2014.01.08 15:39:00 - [35] - Quote Bethhy wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: THE GREY CARDINAL wrote: Dropsuit command rspec is enough, people don't need weapons and dropsuit upgrades respecced as well. Dropsuits and their bonuses directly determine the modules and weapons you skill into, so yes, those would need to be respeced as well Not really, people still get proto rep tools and nanohives without even having anything past a "Dren" logi suit. Weaponry and equipment skills are all reusable on many many different options in DUST, and cheap enough in SP that they can be saved for and skilled into. We don't need a bunch of cookie cutter maxed out in the suit vets the first day, we will start this patch off with massive balance issues. More competition = better gameplay, so letting people make their builds with the information at hand is good. Only bad players worry about other players having good builds. Good players welcome the challenge and understand that people enjoying their builds is good for the health of the game, and for competition. Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 737	Posted - 2014.01.08 15:45:00 - [36] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Bethhy wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: THE GREY CARDINAL wrote: Dropsuit command rspec is enough, people don't need weapons and dropsuit upgrades respecced as well. Dropsuits and their bonuses directly determine the modules and weapons you skill into, so yes, those would need to be respeced as well Not really, people still get proto rep tools and nanohives without even having anything past a "Dren" logi suit. Weaponry and equipment skills are all reusable on many many different options in DUST, and cheap enough in SP that they can be saved for and skilled into. We don't need a bunch of cookie cutter maxed out in the suit vets the first day, we will start this patch off with massive balance issues. More competition = better gameplay, so letting people make their builds with the information at hand is good. Only bad players worry about other players having good builds. Good players welcome the challenge and understand that people enjoying their builds is good for the health of the game, and for competition. I Have been through a couple respec's. This is not true in anyway. but is good propaganda. lol. This will be just another stomp fest for a month until the other players catch up, and extremely boring. Ever wonder why we had Cal Logi's everywhere.., Hint, it involved respec's. ;)
Icarus DelSol BIG BAD W0LVES 12	Posted - 2014.01.08 15:47:00 - [37] - Quote gg JKl wrote: Just give us more x3 SP events. who saved their omega boosters?!?!?
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 738	Posted - 2014.01.08 15:51:00 - [38] - Quote Icarus DelSol wrote: gg JKl wrote: Just give us more x3 SP events. who saved their omega boosters?!?!? SP event's are much better for the health of the game. Earn your SP for your new equipment and weapons you plan to run on your suit. Promotes activity and peaks out the players playing the game to really give a good shake down of the patch.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9778	Posted - 2014.01.08 15:53:00 - [39] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Ever wonder why we had Cal Logi's everywhere.., Hint, it involved respec's. ;) We would have had them anyways, it just would have taken a little longer. That's a balance issue, not a respec issue. Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 995	Posted - 2014.01.08 15:54:00 - [40] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: The only people who should get a respec are Minmatar Logis...those guys, they got it bad. Oh, and anybody who went into any form of any heavy. Cal/Gal Logis don't deserve a respec. There were some people who were using Minnie logis as sneaky fast hack suits only. Pretty much what a scout suit is meant for. That's like people who slay in logi suits. Improper use of the class due to poor game mechanics doesn't entitle one to a respec. A bonus to the rep tool is actually a huge plus for logis doing logi things. Backing heavies at points just became a lot easier. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9779	Posted - 2014.01.08 16:01:00 - [41] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: The only people who should get a respec are Minmatar Logis...those guys, they got it bad. Oh, and anybody who went into any form of any heavy. Cal/Gal Logis don't deserve a respec. There were some people who were using Minnie logis as sneaky fast hack suits only. Pretty much what a scout suit is meant for. That's like people who slay in logi suits. Improper use of the class due to poor game mechanics doesn't entitle one to a respec. A bonus to the rep tool is actually a huge plus for logis doing logi things. Backing heavies at points just became a lot easier. You trying to impose specific playstyles on people and laughing at them because they're working with the tools at hand just shows your lack of understanding when it comes to how people approach games like this. People work with what's in the game. They can't be expected to predict the future and decide exactly how CCP will eventually want their classes to be played. Scouts are terrible hackers because they're easy to kill while standing still, and they lose all stealth bonuses while hacking since the entire enemy team knows where they are. They also have a harder time fitting hacking modules, unlike the logistics suit. If anything, logi's were the intended hackers, especially considering that they were the only class to have a bonus to hacking. Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 738	Posted - 2014.01.08 16:08:00 - [42] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Bethhy wrote: Ever wonder why we had Cal Logi's everywhere.., Hint, it involved respec's. ;) We would have had them anyways, it just would have taken a little longer. That's a balance issue, not a respec issue. Yes because we are going to have a balanced patch release from CCP? You can spit hypothetical's all you want, 2 respec's in DUST, 2 massive issues for DUST. specially in NPE.. Even worse for balance. This is replicated in every MMO where respec's became suddenly available, or offered for a limited time. If all i cared about was myself? hell yea give me my respec ill stomp on some redberry's. But seriously i could care less, i would prefer not to have a repeat of what has happened in history.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9779	Posted - 2014.01.08 16:11:00 - [43] - Quote Bethhy wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Bethhy wrote: Ever wonder why we had Cal Logi's everywhere.., Hint, it involved respec's. ;) We would have had them anyways, it just would have taken a little longer. That's a balance issue, not a respec issue. Yes because we are going to have a balanced patch release from CCP? You can spit hypothetical's all you want, 2 respec's in DUST, 2 massive issues for DUST. specially in NPE.. Even worse for balance. This is replicated in every MMO where respec's became suddenly available, or offered for a limited time. I don't care either way, respecs have happened a number of times in the past, and the trend will continue until all basic material is in the game, and likely afterwords in the form of paid SP buyback boosters. If CCP didn't want respecs in DUST, they wouldn't have tied SP with $$ Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2165	Posted - 2014.01.08 16:13:00 - [44] - Quote Choices means jack **** when they keep changing everything Expect a full respec when we get everything released Intelligence is OP
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 738	Posted - 2014.01.08 16:24:00 - [45] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Bethhy wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Bethhy wrote: Ever wonder why we had Cal Logi's everywhere.., Hint, it involved respec's. ;) We would have had them anyways, it just would have taken a little longer. That's a balance issue, not a respec issue. Yes because we are going to have a balanced patch release from CCP? You can spit hypothetical's all you want, 2 respec's in DUST, 2 massive issues for DUST. specially in NPE.. Even worse for balance. This is replicated in every MMO where respec's became suddenly available, or offered for a limited time. I don't care either way, respecs have happened a number of times in the past, and the trend will continue until all basic material is in the game, and likely afterwords in the form of paid SP buyback boosters. If CCP didn't want respecs in DUST, they wouldn't have tied SP with $$ Eve is more of a grind and the SP is tied into $$ just as much... guess what? no respecs for over a decade and counting. Feeling entitled to a respec because some things change on your suit is funny to most EVE players, who have had things change hundreds of times with no offer of a respec. People pretend like the SP they spent is never gonna be useful again, but they know they would rather just max out the skills around one premise again. and fix all the little skill mistakes they had. Against full respec. For reimbursal of the modified dropsuit SP, and a increased SP event.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9779	Posted - 2014.01.08 16:29:00 - [46] - Quote Like I said, I don't care either way, I spent my SP with the expectation that CCP would screw up and not offer respecs when they change everything around. Thankfully, CCP has shown just recently that they have no issues giving respecs for big changes (1.7 vehicle respec) so it is safe to assume we will have an infantry respec soon. If we do, I'll go back to my roots as a scout. If we don't, I'll keep doing what I'm doing. I would love for more people to have competitive builds though, since the competition in DUST is almost non existent Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 739	Posted - 2014.01.08 16:31:00 - [47] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Like I said, I don't care either way, I spent my SP with the expectation that CCP would screw up and not offer respecs when they change everything around. Thankfully, CCP has shown just recently that they have no issues giving respecs for big changes (1.7 vehicle respec) so it is safe to assume we will have an infantry respec soon. If we do, I'll go back to my roots as a scout. If we don't, I'll keep doing what I'm doing. I would love for more people to have competitive builds though, since the competition in DUST is almost non existent They reimbursed the skill points on the skills they changed and tree's they changed. This is history of CCP when chaging or playing with skills. for over a decade. Was much different. This game isnt competitive. Its My AA + Your AA, I have X health, You have X Health, + Skill points, suit, weapon = winner There is no more gun game, there is no more player skill, there isnt even stimulaing duels between two talented Merc's that had them sometimes 30 times in a day before 1.4. Everyone that actually cared about FPS's, competition and getting better at a FPS, has left over the last couple months. DUST is full of people that drunk downloaded the game not knowing what it was, and diehard vets. Competition left DUST 4 months ago and only a few are left.
Blind Nojoy G I A N T General Tso's Alliance 93	Posted - 2014.01.08 16:35:00 - [48] - Quote I chose Gallente assault because of the bonus to fitting weapons. If they are going to completely change the suit bonuses that people spec 'd into, then a refund on the drop suit skill tree is warranted. I don't think we will see any full respecs here, which is why they only offered a refund for vehicles. But if we don't see a suit refund after massive changes, then CCP has lost their minds. So...coin flip I suppose.
Leeroy SnakeBite Russian Troops Of Chaos E-R-A 9	Posted - 2014.01.08 16:35:00 - [49] - Quote I quite excited regarding the new suit bonuses and watching the floods of tears from all the player base who went slayer logis. I have always never understood how a logo class could fit so many damage mods on etc the class of a logo is to support your team and those who specced into a logi to slay will hopefully be stuck with skill points in that suit you choose it to try and get a benefit on others in my opinion which doesn't count for much is you are getting your just deserts.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9782	Posted - 2014.01.08 16:35:00 - [50] - Quote Bethhy wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Like I said, I don't care either way, I spent my SP with the expectation that CCP would screw up and not offer respecs when they change everything around. Thankfully, CCP has shown just recently that they have no issues giving respecs for big changes (1.7 vehicle respec) so it is safe to assume we will have an infantry respec soon. If we do, I'll go back to my roots as a scout. If we don't, I'll keep doing what I'm doing. I would love for more people to have competitive builds though, since the competition in DUST is almost non existent They reimbursed the skill points on the skills they changed and tree's they changed. This is history of CCP when chaging or playing with skills. for over a decade. Was much different. So when we have the infantry respec you won't be upset. Good to know Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict

Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 739	Posted - 2014.01.08 16:38:00 - [51] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Bethhy wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Like I said, I don't care either way, I spent my SP with the expectation that CCP would screw up and not offer respecs when they change everything around. Thankfully, CCP has shown just recently that they have no issues giving respecs for big changes (1.7 vehicle respec) so it is safe to assume we will have an infantry respec soon. If we do, I'll go back to my roots as a scout. If we don't, I'll keep doing what I'm doing. I would love for more people to have competitive builds though, since the competition in DUST is almost non existent They reimbursed the skill points on the skills they changed and tree's they changed. This is history of CCP when chaging or playing with skills. for over a decade. Was much different. So when we have the infantry respec you won't be upset. Good to know Assault,Logi and Sentinel Suit sure? Modules that aren't being touched? no.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9782	Posted - 2014.01.08 16:41:00 - [52] - Quote Bethhy wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Bethhy wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Like I said, I don't care either way, I spent my SP with the expectation that CCP would screw up and not offer respecs when they change everything around. Thankfully, CCP has shown just recently that they have no issues giving respecs for big changes (1.7 vehicle respec) so it is safe to assume we will have an infantry respec soon. If we do, I'll go back to my roots as a scout. If we don't, I'll keep doing what I'm doing. I would love for more people to have competitive builds though, since the competition in DUST is almost non existent They reimbursed the skill points on the skills they changed and tree's they changed. This is history of CCP when chaging or playing with skills. for over a decade. Was much different. So when we have the infantry respec you won't be upset. Good to know Assault,Logi and Sentinel Suit sure? Modules that aren't being touched? no. Scouts are probably going to be touched on too, and it seems like cloaks might be coming sooner than expected. We also don't know if any new modules will be added, or if existing modules will be altered. I'm happy to agree to disagree, but my money is on a full dropsuit command and upgrades respec, if not weapons as well. Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 1532	Posted - 2014.01.08 16:42:00 - [53] - Quote RKKR wrote: CCP changing their game goes against your claim of "they [respecs] are contrary to the core tenet that your decisions matter". Who's stupid now? I dunno, people who don't read the whole post? (That's two) "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 646	Posted - 2014.01.08 17:00:00 - [54] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: RKKR wrote: CCP changing their game goes against your claim of "they [respecs] are contrary to the core tenet that your decisions matter". Who's stupid now? I dunno, people who don't read the whole post? (That's two) Yes, it's clear that you don't know, I could make an asshat post too that I made this post was a bait too but I won't. (I guess I read more than only the first paragraphs of your post, Yikes!) You still talk about a limited respec. Maybe some infantry oriented players want to focus on vehicles(because those skills were changed too you know) instead? Maybe I won't need some core skills if I decide on a different suit? Maybe they help everyone in the long run, not on the short run...especially not for the new players. Judging from your first sentence...I guess you are just butthurt about those old times when you got raped by caldari suits with flay locks.
T'orq DUST University Ivy League 97	Posted - 2014.01.08 17:05:00 - [55] - Quote I don't think there needs to be a full respec, for vehicle users already had a VEHICLE respec. I think all we need is an INFANTRY respec, this would include dropsuits, core upgrades, and weapons. Dropsuits- CCP is changing bonus' and releasing other racial heavy suits Core upgrades- you put sp into some things to complement the suit you use. Weapons- you don't have the weapons that will go with the suit you choose. Thanjac- Proud Member of Commando 6 Commando Lives
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 1532	Posted - 2014.01.08 17:27:00 - [56] - Quote RKKR wrote: Yes, it's clear that you don't know, I could make an asshat post too that I made this post was a bait too but I won't. (I guess I read more than only the first paragraphs of your post, Yikes!) You still talk about a limited respec. Maybe some infantry oriented players want to focus on vehicles(because those skills were changed too you know) instead? Maybe vehicle users want a infantry suit now...they didn't had the choice to make the decision for 'this' or 'that' suit before. Maybe I won't need some core skills if I decide on a different suit? Maybe they help everyone in the long run, not on the short run...especially not for the new players. ... Judging from your first sentence...I guess you are just butthurt about those old times when you got raped by caldari suits with flay locks. Good for you, maybe you did read the whole thing. I guess it might have been more clear had you said anything that would indicate that to be true. Either way, you're no fun. But, more to the point: - I tend to disagree with the all-too-frequent contention that respecs help new players the most, as opposed to people in, say, the 10-15 mil SP range (maybe up to 20). They get the most benefit. Noobs barely get enough back to matter, and people like my CEO with 30+ mil, quote "have proto crap I never even use, just because I can." (I realize that's not your real argument but I'm pointing it out) - I've already said here that I'm not totally against a full respec in this scenario. However, I make the argument that I don't necessarily see the point in refunding things like core skills, who doesn't need those? (e.g., the minnie logi example I gave Kain Spero on page 2.) But, whatever, if you guys want to go all nerd rage if you only get a dropsuit tree respec and not a full respec, it hardly matters to me. My whole point in the OP was that even a respec natzi like myself sees a clear rationale for one if 1.8/2.0 turns out like the wild speculation currently making it's way across the forums. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
Jacques Cayton II Providence Guard Templis CALSF 470	Posted - 2014.01.08 18:01:00 - [57] - Quote I've been here since closed beta and let me say I don't need a respec I have over 30 mil sp. But those lower tier guys need it to compete with guys like me who understand the skill books. You guys who say no respecs are screwing new guys I think after a certain point in time you get a respec if your new. Like a month then they can fix their already fudged up skill tree We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Lv2spd2 Slow And Old 153	Posted - 2014.01.08 18:10:00 - [58] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: The only people who should get a respec are Minmatar Logis...those guys, they got it bad. Oh, and anybody who went into any form of any heavy. Cal/Gal Logis don't deserve a respec. Minmatar logi here. I LOVE the rep tool boost. I see no other logi I would wish to be. If I was choosing a bonus to help my logi play style that would be the one. Hate to lose my hack speed, but whatever, and hate to lose the native reps, but ALL the logis lose that.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Intara Direct Action Caldari State 324	Posted - 2014.01.08 18:20:00 - [59] - Quote ScottyTheMatchMaking AI wrote: full respects are good they=more competition and competition is good, competition=war and war=$-ÑGé¼-ú, $-ÑGé¼-ú= CCP happy. Scotty ... ... now I can FINALLY kill you due to the fact that YOU screw up my games . I can't wait until I see you in a match !!!!! Future Caldari Heavy so watch out for this Sumo Shinobi with a Caldari HMG .
Bunny Demon Scions of Athra 56	Posted - 2014.01.08 18:32:00 - [60] - Quote For the core and weapons skill tree I think they should also be respeced if the suits are (weapons less so) because what you spec into heavily depends on play style Eg. Person A may want to skill into logis and will therefore need to spec into equipment and core skills more than weapons etc. Person B may want to move from logis to assaults and might then not need all those core skills for equipment etc. and might want them in weapons Just some examples but I hope you get my point :) Amarr logi ftw :D (Also...ScR is pretty good)

RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 649	Posted - 2014.01.08 18:34:00 - [61] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: you're no fun Who says I have to be fun? Quote: core skills, who doesn't need those? People that want to go the vehicle route, as I already stated. Quote: whatever Are you a girl? Quote: if you guys want to go all nerd rage Says the guy that wrote "go shove your core flaylock up your cal logis a$$, you don't get a respect." Quote: if you only get a dropsuit tree respec and not a full respec, it hardly matters to me. That's cute, you can have your own opinion, especially as a respect ****. My whole point was to make that obvious by just quoting one single phrase and that it's unnecessary to make any follow-ups concerning wether a respect should happen or not. Even hinting that a limited respect should be fine is contradicting that phrase.
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5454	Posted - 2014.01.08 18:38:00 - [62] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Put me firmly in the no respec crowd, can't even guess as to how many times I said on these forums, go shove your core flaylock up your cal logis a$$, you don't get a respec. They hurt the game, they are contrary to the core tenet that your decisions matter, and the more they give them, the more people, will start whining for them every patch. Don't even get me started on the idea of pay-to-win respecs, I might have a stroke. But... If 1.8 (or 2.0, might be more representative) actually does pull in all these new bonuses, and all the new suits, at least a dropsuit tree respec is in order. Full respec? I dunno, I mean I don't see why people need to make major changes to their core upgrades, those help everyone. Why this and not a respec of weapons with the new sidearms and the recent 2 new rifles? Well, weapons are actually the least of all of the SP sinks in the game, I mean, everyone got the new rifles to proto in like a week. Takes a lot longer than that for a suit. Choices do matter, but not if CCP forced you to make a false one because they released an incomplete game. If all I had right now was a minmatar heavy I would not be happy about it, I'd want to get that dirty duct tape covered women's self defense class target suit off me 5 minutes after the new one was released. With all the suits out, it's almost like actually being out of beta. A fresh start for people using gear they were forced to use, not chose because it was OP, is quite fair. They arent decisions if you only have 1 choice. AKA Heavy Suits, Initial Scout suitss, HAV, etc...... Never wanted to be Amarr Assault Always wanted to be Cal or Amarr Scout Now I wish Amarr HAV were in the game...I dont mind so much now since HAV skills are universal. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
Leonid Tybalt Dark Knightz Corp. 102	Posted - 2014.01.08 18:46:00 - [63] - Quote No, respecs makes sense in a game that is obviously far from finished. Your argument is downright re-tarded due to the fact that it basically requires players to have magical abilities in terms of reading the future and the minds of ccp devs. Respecs don't hurt the game. Releasing a game that isn't yet fully developed hurts the game. Respecs are a remedy to that problem. Anyone with half a brain can see that. -.-
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 750	Posted - 2014.01.08 19:53:00 - [64] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: No, respecs makes sense in a game that is obviously far from finished. Your argument is downright re-tarded due to the fact that it basically requires players to have magical abilities in terms of reading the future and the minds of ccp devs. Respecs don't hurt the game. Releasing a game that isn't yet fully developed hurts the game. Respecs are a remedy to that problem. Anyone with half a brain can see that. -.- Wonder how they did it in EVE. you know being in constant development for 11 years and changing things massively. without everything released, and or still released.
Leonid Tybalt Dark Knightz Corp. 106	Posted - 2014.01.08 21:22:00 - [65] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Leonid Tybalt wrote: No, respecs makes sense in a game that is obviously far from finished. Your argument is downright re-tarded due to the fact that it basically requires players to have magical abilities in terms of reading the future and the minds of ccp devs. Respecs don't hurt the game. Releasing a game that isn't yet fully developed hurts the game. Respecs are a remedy to that problem. Anyone with half a brain can see that. -.- Wonder how they did it in EVE. you know being in constant development for 11 years and changing things massively. without everything released, and or still released. Eve and Dust are not the same game. They don't even belong to the same genre. Comparisons are redundant and doesn't prove anything. Plus they have issued respecs in EVE. I've gotten skillpoints back several times when they changed something in regards to the skills. One example would be the attribute skills that ccp eventually removed and gave everyone back those skillpoints to spend on whatever we wanted. So yeah...
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 383	Posted - 2014.01.08 21:56:00 - [66] - Quote Bethhy wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Bethhy wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Bethhy wrote: Ever wonder why we had Cal Logi's everywhere.., Hint, it involved respec's. ;) We would have had them anyways, it just would have taken a little longer. That's a balance issue, not a respec issue. Yes because we are going to have a balanced patch release from CCP? You can spit hypothetical's all you want, 2 respec's in DUST, 2 massive issues for DUST. specially in NPE.. Even worse for balance. This is replicated in every MMO where respec's became suddenly available, or offered for a limited time. I don't care either way, respecs have happened a number of times in the past, and the trend will continue until all basic material is in the game, and likely afterwords in the form of paid SP buyback boosters. If CCP didn't want respecs in DUST, they wouldn't have tied SP with $$ Eve is more of a grind and the SP is tied into $$ just as much... guess what? no respecs for over a decade and counting. Feeling entitled to a respec because some things change on your suit is funny to most EVE players, who have had things change hundreds of times with no offer of a respec. People pretend like the SP they spent is never gonna be useful again, but they know they would rather just max out the skills around one premise again. and fix all the little skill mistakes they had. Against full respec. For reimbursal of the modified dropsuit SP, and a increased SP event. You cannot compare Dust 514 to EvE online. Made by the same people, but totally different games. And you most certainly can't go comparing the skills of EVE with the skills of Dust. And for me, nothing to do with entitlement. This isn't EVE where there are endless things to do. And endless ways to go about doing them. This IS a FPS. Once a year KEEPS PEOPLE INTERESTED. Everyone is so worried about content, RESPEC IS CONTENT. What is so wrong with that?? I mean I really don't get it. EVE fanboys keep comparing this to EVE, but WHY DO YOU THINK THERE IS A NEW FPS LIKE EVERY MONTH?????? Because that **** gets old and we want to do something different. Nuff Said
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 1541	Posted - 2014.01.09 03:53:00 - [67] - Quote Added a TL;dr to the OP to make my opinion more clear "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 754	Posted - 2014.01.09 04:58:00 - [68] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: Bethhy wrote: Leonid Tybalt wrote: No, respecs makes sense in a game that is obviously far from finished. Your argument is downright re-tarded due to the fact that it basically requires players to have magical abilities in terms of reading the future and the minds of ccp devs. Respecs don't hurt the game. Releasing a game that isn't yet fully developed hurts the game. Respecs are a remedy to that problem. Anyone with half a brain can see that. -.- Wonder how they did it in EVE. you know being in constant development for 11 years and changing things massively. without everything released, and or still released. Eve and Dust are not the same game. They don't even belong to the same genre. Comparisons are redundant and doesn't prove anything. Plus they have issued respecs in EVE. I've gotten skillpoints back several times when they changed something in regards to the skills. One example would be the attribute skills that ccp eventually removed and gave everyone back those skillpoints to spend on whatever we wanted. So yeah... They issued skill reimbursal's on tree's or skills they significantly changed. never a respec. Eve isnt the same, there you pay a monthly subscription and then spend sometimes half a year+ to get into something that gets nerfed/changed. And people take it on the chin voice their opinion and move on, not ask for a full respec(some exceptions) regardless EVE has a passive skill system unlike almost all MMO's ever, Dust has that same system, but also allows you to actively earn skill points. People just want everything now because they do, nothing more really to it.
Tectonic Fusion 948	Posted - 2014.01.09 05:47:00 - [69] - Quote What if you never got PROTOTYPE flaylock pistol and PROTOTYPE caldari logi? Hmm? What if CCP nerfed unnecessary things? Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 464	Posted - 2014.01.09 05:49:00 - [70] - Quote I'm guessing he's mad about something?

Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 477	Posted - 2014.01.09 05:57:00 - [71] - Quote Anyone that is absolutely against anything with no room for consideration to change are wrong. 1.8 promises to be a GIANT change in the game even more than 1.7 was. At least from what i am gathering from the speculation. I can also only imagine that most people hardset against respecs probably have 20+mill sp's because honestly at that point respecs wont mean a lot. To a player with only 6 mill it can mean a lot and allow them to really specialize into the role they find they like to play. I am of the mindset that partial repsecs should be automatic any time there are drastic changes even to just 1 piece of equipment.
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 1	Posted - 2014.01.09 05:59:00 - [72] - Quote I support respects only during broad sweeping changed such as this, and it should only be drop suits IMO, leave weapons out of it. All weapon respects will do at this point is have every one dumping points into rails and combat rifles, then crying for respecx when they get nerfed/changed/ something else gets buffed. Right now with all the new weapons respects should be held off on them till they are properly balanced and implemented, and out of rage I think not even then, but that's the rage talking. I just loathe to imagine the number of rail rifles on the field if a weapon respec is granted at this time. Heck I have seen plenty of people running proto suits with standard rail rifles instead of whatever they originally put sp into because their just that good right now. And all those people will be crying foranother respec when rails get nerfed/changed.... and the rage says to just let them have to deal with all the sp they dumped into it because they were purposely trying g to use an op weapon.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 1441	Posted - 2014.01.09 07:01:00 - [73] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Put me firmly in the no respec crowd, can't even guess as to how many times I said on these forums, go shove your core flaylock up your cal logis a$$, you don't get a respec. They hurt the game, they are contrary to the core tenet that your decisions matter, and the more they give them, the more people will start whining for them every patch. Don't even get me started on the idea of pay-to-win respecs, I might have a stroke.https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=121712&find=unread But... If 1.8 (or 2.0, might be more representative) actually does pull in all these new bonuses, and all the new suits, at least a dropsuit tree respec is in order. Full respec? I dunno, I mean I don't see why people need to make major changes to their core upgrades, those help everyone. Why this and not a respec of weapons with the new sidearms and the recent 2 new rifles? Well, weapons are actually the least of all of the SP sinks in the game, I mean, everyone got the new rifles to proto in like a week. Takes a lot longer than that for a suit. Choices do matter, but not if CCP forced you to make a false one because they released an incomplete game. If all I had right now was a minmatar heavy I would not be happy about it, I'd want to get that dirty duct tape covered women's self defense class target suit off me 5 minutes after the new one was released. With all the suits out, it's almost like actually being out of beta. A fresh start for people using gear they were forced to use, not chose because it was OP, is quite fair. TL;DR I hate respecs but with the massive dropsuit changes apparently coming out, it's time for at least a partial one. Discuss. I don't even bother with the respec junk anymore. Not worth my time anymore. GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride." Hunter S. Thompson
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 1441	Posted - 2014.01.09 07:03:00 - [74] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: What if you never got PROTOTYPE flaylock pistol and PROTOTYPE caldari logi? Hmm? What if CCP nerfed unnecessary things? Don't you mean tried to balance OP items? Because the Flaylock was totally perfect. GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride." Hunter S. Thompson
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1037	Posted - 2014.01.09 08:00:00 - [75] - Quote in development the definition of Beta Version is that all basic stuff is in and you can test it. Dust is according to that not even Beta every patch you get major core mechanics changes, decision to SP spend into something are made null and void by the devs. tell me again that respecs are stupid.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2816	Posted - 2014.01.09 08:44:00 - [76] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Put me firmly in the no respec crowd, can't even guess as to how many times I said on these forums, go shove your core flaylock up your cal logis a$$, you don't get a respec. They hurt the game, they are contrary to the core tenet that your decisions matter, and the more they give them, the more people will start whining for them every patch. Don't even get me started on the idea of pay-to-win respecs, I might have a stroke.https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=121712&find=unread But... If 1.8 (or 2.0, might be more representative) actually does pull in all these new bonuses, and all the new suits, at least a dropsuit tree respec is in order. Full respec? I dunno, I mean I don't see why people need to make major changes to their core upgrades, those help everyone. Why this and not a respec of weapons with the new sidearms and the recent 2 new rifles? Well, weapons are actually the least of all of the SP sinks in the game, I mean, everyone got the new rifles to proto in like a week. Takes a lot longer than that for a suit. Choices do matter, but not if CCP forced you to make a false one because they released an incomplete game. If all I had right now was a minmatar heavy I would not be happy about it, I'd want to get that dirty duct tape covered women's self defense class target suit off me 5 minutes after the new one was released. With all the suits out, it's almost like actually being out of beta. A fresh start for people using gear they were forced to use, not chose because it was OP, is quite fair. TL;DR I hate respecs but with the massive dropsuit changes apparently coming out, it's time for at least a partial one. Discuss. These changes aren't buffs or nerfs, they're complete reworks. The reasons people chose many of these suits may no longer exist. If anything these changes are more deserving of respec than the vehicle changes. Tanks are still tanks, and dropships are still dropships, but speed hackers won't exist anymore, or laser specialists, or those brave souls the sidearm gunslingers. These were viable, well balanced roles that weren't being used in an unintented or exploitative way. This isn't taking away power for the sake of game balance. This is taking away usefulness, for the sake of arbitrary games of snap. No.
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 653	Posted - 2014.01.09 09:09:00 - [77] - Quote How are we supposed to discuss anything if you're ignoring other arguments that partial respecs are as stupid as no respecs?
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 982	Posted - 2014.01.09 09:28:00 - [78] - Quote Agreed. The impatience of the people is mindboggling. It takes just few weeks to get some 600k SP, unboosted. Enough for weps, suits need a bit more. Boosters do speed up. GÇ£PATIENCE YOU MUST HAVE my young padawanGÇ¥ said someone you might know. Want to run proto from day one of new patch? Want a respec for new gear? Well save up some SP in advance. Even though there are sometimes a ton of new stuff put into game, most of time we are getting a very generous heads up on it. On general, the SP allocation really trims to worst out of FOTM. Tank spam getting onto your nerves? An improvement:
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 982	Posted - 2014.01.09 09:29:00 - [79] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: in development the definition of Beta Version is that all basic stuff is in and you can test it. Dust is according to that not even Beta every patch you get major core mechanics changes, decision to SP spend into something are made null and void by the devs. tell me again that respecs are stupid. Respecs are stupid. Play some more, then open what you want. Tank spam getting onto your nerves? An improvement:
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1037	Posted - 2014.01.09 10:42:00 - [80] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: Jack McReady wrote: in development the definition of Beta Version is that all basic stuff is in and you can test it. Dust is according to that not even Beta every patch you get major core mechanics changes, decision to SP spend into something are made null and void by the devs. tell me again that respecs are stupid. Respecs are stupid. Play some more, then open what you want. tunnelvision on a new level your credibility just went down the toilet. core mechanic changes have nothing to do with new content.

JONAHBENHUR home of the forgotten 27	Posted - 2014.01.09 11:37:00 - [81] - Quote full respec to everyone this is too big of a change for a lot of reasons none of the leaked bonuses jive with most peoples fits and they dont cruise the forums to check this kinda stuff
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 987	Posted - 2014.01.09 11:39:00 - [82] - Quote JONAHBENHUR wrote: full respec to everyone this is too big of a change for a lot of reasons none of the leaked bonuses jive with most peoples fits and they dont cruise the forums to check this kinda stuff Too bad, grow up.
Faquira Bleuetta 0uter.Heaven 144	Posted - 2014.01.09 12:10:00 - [83] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Put me firmly in the no respec crowd, can't even guess as to how many times I said on these forums, go shove your core flaylock up your cal logis a$$, you don't get a respec. They hurt the game, they are contrary to the core tenet that your decisions matter, and the more they give them, the more people will start whining for them every patch. Don't even get me started on the idea of pay-to-win respecs, I might have a stroke.https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=121712&find=unread But... If 1.8 (or 2.0, might be more representative) actually does pull in all these new bonuses, and all the new suits, at least a dropsuit tree respec is in order. Full respec? I dunno, I mean I don't see why people need to make major changes to their core upgrades, those help everyone. Why this and not a respec of weapons with the new sidearms and the recent 2 new rifles? Well, weapons are actually the least of all of the SP sinks in the game, I mean, everyone got the new rifles to proto in like a week. Takes a lot longer than that for a suit. Choices do matter, but not if CCP forced you to make a false one because they released an incomplete game. If all I had right now was a minmatar heavy I would not be happy about it, I'd want to get that dirty duct tape covered women's self defense class target suit off me 5 minutes after the new one was released. With all the suits out, it's almost like actually being out of beta. A fresh start for people using gear they were forced to use, not chose because it was OP, is quite fair. TL;DR I hate respecs but with the massive dropsuit changes apparently coming out, it's time for at least a partial one. Discuss. AND Who is stupidest with all the unbalancedness Overpowering and over nerfing 2Cand1P
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 1554	Posted - 2014.01.09 14:40:00 - [84] - Quote RKKR wrote: How are we supposed to discuss anything if you're ignoring other arguments that partial respecs are as stupid as no respecs? lolwut? You must be speaking about "arguments" someone else made, the few questions you posed I responded to to an extent. Otherwise I see nothing you've contributed but some half-assed attempts at insulting me. ("Are you a girl?" was my favorite, that's very clever) I'll try rephrasing it again one last time. I am making the argument that at least a partial respec is well in order considering all the information (much of it speculative, of course) we're seeing about what may be in 1.8. An argument could also be made for a full respec, but I don't think it's as clear-cut and may not be something CCP wants to do for a few reasons, these are some but not all of them: - No substantive weapon changes (that we know of) and the weapon tree is not nearly the SP sink as the others, which is why nobody seemed to care about overmuch about getting a respec for rifles in 1.7. - The vehicle tree just got redone and refunded 3 weeks ago. Core skills are a little more complicated. Yes, they are a big SP sink. But, with 3 exceptions (links, hives, reppers) every single one of them is valuable for virtually every class. - One argument I've heard is the much-discussed minnie logi bonus. People love their speedy hacker suits. "Oh noes now my hacking SP has been wasted". Why? How many of those people are going to take all their SP out of hacking and put it into rep tools? Not many, I'd wager. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9814	Posted - 2014.01.09 14:42:00 - [85] - Quote I like these threads because we always end up getting the respecs anyways Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
Nick Leback Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2014.01.09 17:50:00 - [86] - Quote Protocake JR wrote: You're an idiot. Your decisions do not matter in terms of gameplay (decisions really only matter in the meta game). "Your decisions matter" is a slogan CCP's marketing team came up with to make this lobby shooter look new, revolutionary and important. Your decisions matter in Dust about as much as you can "Have it your way" at Burger King. Your decisions do not matter when CCP can't figure out how to make their game. So they continue to make, remake, and remake yet again the same content over and over. They keep making these *facepalm* decisions that clearly indicate that they are out of touch with the current player base and the overall FPS player base. You honestly sound butthurt over anyone who specced into FOTM. You wanna know something? Whether we get, or don't get respecs, nothing is going to change people chasing the FOTM. I've had proto CR and RR with proficiency and sharpshooter for about a week or two already. No boosters. It's not that difficult. You wanting to deny people respecs is the equivalent of an Adult Tantrum . Saying "no more respecs" is synonymous with saying "I'm a giant tool. I think that this game should treat decisions like real life because I don't have any real responsibilities or decisions to make". Burger King.......Whopper......num num that's all I remeber reading.
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 653	Posted - 2014.01.09 18:14:00 - [87] - Quote Dear John, An insult is something like telling "if you guys want to go all nerd rage". ASKING something like "Are you a girl?" is just a question...you could have easily told me that you are not. I'm sorry I hurt your feelings, but feel free to point fingers for trying to insult someone . I see that you state that I'm referring to someone else's statements and yet you mention "I'll give you that one" later in your text. Actually what the hell does it matter if I refer to someone else or not? Nothing...so it's funny that you suddenly react to it, no? You can rephrase whatever you want, but that still doesn't make it logical to only give a partial respec instead of a full respec. If you have trouble understanding that, you should read some more respec-'whining' posts because some arguments explain it pretty well. but well let's cut all this bullshit and let me ask you this? Why are you against respecs? Because decisions matter? Some people based their decision on a specific suit/skill/bonus. Ever thought about that If those choices weren't there in the first place that people would have made other decisions? You might not be wrong that people would want those skills back, but maybe not in the same order, maybe they want to put it in other stuff first, maybe not at all? Changing stuff will steal their "decision" away...something you seem to be against, so why are you against respecs? If decision would really matter, then CCP would test things thoroughly first before implementing it (and stick with their decision to keep it like that), which they don't... I hope all you anti-respec guys finally understand that the decision thing is just a myth.
Denn Maell PIanet Express 42	Posted - 2014.01.09 18:19:00 - [88] - Quote I don't want a re-spec would probably not spend any of my SP differently anyhow. But unless certain skills are going to disappear completely from Dropsuits (like pretty much all role-specialties did from vehicles) and the entire tree is restructured, why would a full/partial respec-ing be justified? If they were to say offer a 100% SP refund in celebration of ver 2.0, that would be a good reason IMHO. My suit's specialty bonus has changed? Well lets go back to grinding.
Spartan MK420 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 55	Posted - 2014.01.09 18:21:00 - [89] - Quote respec please.
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 983	Posted - 2014.01.09 19:49:00 - [90] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: FOTM. KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: Jack McReady wrote: in development the definition of Beta Version is that all basic stuff is in and you can test it. Dust is according to that not even Beta every patch you get major core mechanics changes, decision to SP spend into something are made null and void by the devs. tell me again that respecs are stupid. Respecs are stupid. Play some more, then open what you want. tunnelvision on a new level your credibility just went down the toilet. core mechanic changes have nothing to do with new content and FOTM balance changes. comments like these atleast highlight the tunnelvisions scrubs of dust Tunnelvision? Though not quite sure what you mean by that - but hardly. All players should understand that in an online multiplayer game everything is subject to change - everything. They should see that in addition of game being expanded there's the meta in developers work trying to balance things. On balancing, if a person uses a (over)powerful feature of the game the chances are he has plenty of time to enjoy the benefits, while after a change of mechanics or direct nerf he in a way pays for it. But as the rate of patching in Dust isn't that great he probably has had plenty of time to earn his SP investment back several times. True, this is not the most new player friendly environment. Perhaps there's a need for improvement, but perhaps there's no solution to it. Respecs may be necessary in case of greater skill tree overhaul (like changing what opens what and removing skills altogether), but it doesn't change the fact that respecs are stupid and the need for them should be minimised. Tank spam getting onto your nerves? An improvement:

RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 653	Posted - 2014.01.09 20:03:00 - [91] - Quote Everything is subject to change...except for SP investments...LOL
dent 308 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2260	Posted - 2014.01.09 20:16:00 - [92] - Quote respecs are stupid but things I need may have changed think of the children Hail Satan
Kraw Zin Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2014.01.09 20:18:00 - [93] - Quote Respecs don't hurt anyone and can help the game
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 1555	Posted - 2014.01.10 00:01:00 - [94] - Quote RKKR wrote: Dear John, An insult is something like telling "if you guys want to go all nerd rage". ASKING something like "Are you a girl?" is just a question...you could have easily told me that you are not. I'm sorry I hurt your feelings, but feel free to point fingers for trying to insult someone . I see that you state that I'm referring to someone else's statements and yet you mention "I'll give you that one" later in your text. Actually what the hell does it matter if I refer to someone else or not? Nothing...so it's funny that you suddenly react to it, no? You can rephrase whatever you want, but that still doesn't make it logical to only give a partial respec instead of a full respec. If you have trouble understanding that, you should read some more respec-'whining' posts because some arguments explain it pretty well. but well let's cut all this bullshit and let me ask you this? Why are you against respecs? Because decisions matter? Some people based their decision on a specific suit/skill/bonus. Ever thought about that If those choices weren't there in the first place that people would have made other decisions? You might not be wrong that people would want those skills back, but maybe not in the same order, maybe they want to put it in other stuff first, maybe not at all? Changing stuff will steal their "decision" away...something you seem to be against, so why are you against respecs? If decision would really matter, then CCP would test things thoroughly first before implementing it (and stick with their decision to keep it like that), which they don't... I hope all you anti-respec guys finally understand that the decision thing is just a myth. Pretty sure I've explained why already. Ah well, I suppose we will just have to agree to disagree then, your opinion is clearly not subject to change. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9837	Posted - 2014.01.10 00:04:00 - [95] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: JONAHBENHUR wrote: full respec to everyone this is too big of a change for a lot of reasons none of the leaked bonuses jive with most peoples fits and they dont cruise the forums to check this kinda stuff Too bad, grow up. It's a video game, let people enjoy it. So, as you say: grow up. Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 773	Posted - 2014.01.10 00:11:00 - [96] - Quote Respec Suit skills after significant changes? Sure. Respec anything else that isn't significantly changed? No. We don't need Weapons or equipment or any of those skills respec'd. If you have a Prototype repair tool and you no longer have aspirations to run a logi suit? So what? the repair tool is still useful regardless.. Everything on the weapons and equipment aspect of the game will always be useful, after the suit implementation and well into the future of DUST. At best offer a Skill Point Event so people can Earn their Skill points for their new weapons and equipment in their new Suit role aspirations. P.S. We have Done this full respec thing in DUST 3 times now and it has created massive imbalances in DUST. Again this will hurt new to couple month old players the worse, as the vet's will max spec into things and have perfected skills and the rest of the game will be struggling to keep up for months, Like has happened 3 times in DUST's history now...
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9838	Posted - 2014.01.10 00:15:00 - [97] - Quote How can you respec suits but not weapons? Heavies aren't a thing? You say "earn" as if people started the game with their SP..... Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 653	Posted - 2014.01.10 08:56:00 - [98] - Quote Same could be said about you John, so don't try to push my opinion in a corner like I'm some twit that won't change his mind no matter what. I know I'm not the one that started from the premise that 'decision matter' and then go on rationalizing that a partial respec is fine for reason that go against the original premise. I also like the fact that some people against respecs say you will have enough SP to skill up your stuff, but are afraid that respec will cause imbalances, it will happen anyway because it's made possible by bad game design, not 100% respecs. It's time to realize that this GAME is not perfect.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 1558	Posted - 2014.01.10 13:09:00 - [99] - Quote RKKR wrote: Same could be said about you John, so don't try to push my opinion in a corner like I'm some twit that won't change his mind no matter what. I know I'm not the one that started from the premise that 'decision matter' and then go on rationalizing that a partial respec is fine for reason that go against the original premise. I also like the fact that some people against respecs say you will have enough SP to skill up your stuff, but are afraid that respec will cause imbalances, it will happen anyway because it's made possible by bad game design, not 100% respecs. It's time to realize that this GAME is not perfect. bangs head against wall My opinion is evidently subject to change unlike yours because it did. The original premise is also a false premise in this one particular instance. Ridiculous. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 1558	Posted - 2014.01.10 13:10:00 - [100] - Quote Kraw Zin wrote: Respecs don't hurt anyone and can help the game That's categorically untrue for reasons bethhy already outlined. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!

Mortedeamor 1205	Posted - 2014.01.10 13:13:00 - [101] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: It's mostly people who play at the top end who fully appreciate why respecs are necessary when sweeping changes come through. It's hard to make an informed decision about your SP when all your careful planning is yanked out from under you. Respecs are vital to the games survival until CCP has built their foundation. CCP Rouge seems like he's pushing the game in a positive direction, but until we have that solid base set, respecs will be necessary, and will continue to happen. Most importantly, respecs upset far less people than no respecs. Respecs will stop when we have all basic frames for vehicles and dropsuits. Weapons are less important, we have most of what we need there. Once we start getting new content instead of delayed content, respecs will stop. Well, at least free respecs, since CCP has expressed interest in the SP buyback booster. ^^ Im puerto rican we rage deal with it
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 653	Posted - 2014.01.10 13:56:00 - [102] - Quote Nope, as partial respecs are as stupid as no respecs at all. For reasons said above by me and other peeps. It still seems like you just have trouble with people that specced into stuff because they were OP and I'm not sure at all why you kept talking about 'decisions matter' in your OP if you think it's false anyway?
Pocket Rocket Girl Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 75	Posted - 2014.01.10 14:16:00 - [103] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: The only people who should get a respec are Minmatar Logis...those guys, they got it bad. Oh, and anybody who went into any form of any heavy. Cal/Gal Logis don't deserve a respec. i love my minny logi bonus, thats why i picked it, if i could i would keep it
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 1559	Posted - 2014.01.10 15:04:00 - [104] - Quote RKKR wrote: Nope, as partial respecs are as stupid as no respecs at all. For reasons said above by me and other peeps. It still seems like you just have trouble with people that specced into stuff because they were OP and I'm not sure at all why you kept talking about 'decisions matter' in your OP if you think it's false anyway? John Demonsbane wrote: Kraw Zin wrote: Respecs don't hurt anyone and can help the game That's categorically untrue for reasons bethhy already outlined. Duuuuh, It's no point summing up the fails of this game as there are too many, sticking it all to SP respecs is just silly, because it's gamedesign that's at fault not the respecs. Having respecs or no respecs won't solve the problem. I'm in favor for respecs, but yeah the game needs to be fixed first, untill that time it won't matter if we get respecs or not in the meantime because it all will be broken. After that it will make sense to debate respecs, not now. Sometimes I think that people against respecs think this game is already in a finished State..... No reasonable person would suggest this game is anywhere near complete. I sure wouldn't. And no, respecs are not to blame for all it's ills, that's a no brainer. But that does not make them automatically a good idea, either. They aren't a good idea when something OP gets fixed or a bonus changes or 1-2 new toys are introduced. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 1560	Posted - 2014.01.10 15:36:00 - [105] - Quote This is getting circular and tiresome, and I have no idea why I'm even bothering with it. I wasn't even trying to make a strong case for only a partial respec in the first place, just wanted to get a reasonable dicussion started. (and yes, pull people in with an amusing bait and switch thread title) That was a fool's errand. Have your full respec when all the suits come out, I don't fcking care. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics"* -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 653	Posted - 2014.01.10 15:38:00 - [106] - Quote Doesn't matter if things are OP or not. There shouldn't be OP stuff in the first place, but this isn't possible due to the current state of the game, but it seems CCP are finally getting on their horses (and probably still have a long way to go to balance everything out/change things up). DUST will probably play a lot differently when they are done with it. No issues with stuff being OP should arise when everything is balanced out. Current "toys" that are being introduced should have been introduced when UPRISING released, that statement could be right in the future of DUST, but not now. A bonus changing? I thought you agreed that drop suit respect were OK? WTF? It just comes to this: the game is not 'finished' yet and respecs are inevitable as long as this game is not 'finished'. Blame the guys that forced CCP to 'release' DUST too soon if you would have liked to see it otherwise.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 785	Posted - 2014.01.10 15:41:00 - [107] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: It's mostly people who play at the top end who fully appreciate why respecs are necessary when sweeping changes come through. It's hard to make an informed decision about your SP when all your careful planning is yanked out from under you. Respecs are vital to the games survival until CCP has built their foundation. CCP Rouge seems like he's pushing the game in a positive direction, but until we have that solid base set, respecs will be necessary, and will continue to happen. Most importantly, respecs upset far less people than no respecs. Respecs will stop when we have all basic frames for vehicles and dropsuits. Weapons are less important, we have most of what we need there. Once we start getting new content instead of delayed content, respecs will stop. Well, at least free respecs, since CCP has expressed interest in the SP buyback booster. ^^ I got use of my skill points I chose to invest on givin what was in the game. I killed people and made ISk off of them. Now that some changes and new stuff is coming out those skill points can be taken to the local store and returned for a fancy new dress. And this is fair to people who go mememememememe Reimbursing the Suit skill points after significantly changing suits? Sure Reimbursing Weapons and Equipment? No If you hasve speced into a proto repair tool and no longer has aspirations to be a logi? So what? the repair tool is still useful, and you got tons of use from it in the mean time. Same can go for any weapon... These skills aren't ever useless and will always have some form of use. You have a suit respec, and a 3x SP event coming up, Go and Earn your new skills.
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 653	Posted - 2014.01.10 15:48:00 - [108] - Quote Bethhy wrote: If you hasve speced into a proto repair tool and no longer has aspirations to be a logi? So what? the repair tool is still useful, and you got tons of use from it in the mean time. Same can go for any weapon... These skills aren't ever useless and will always have some form of use. I'm pretty sure that the suits will be useful too with that logic .
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 1560	Posted - 2014.01.10 15:58:00 - [109] - Quote RKKR wrote: Edit: Seems that the monkey is finally out of the sleeve.. I'm afraid I'm not familiar with that particular saying. I'm curious what it means, though. (p.s. I am genuinely curious, so please let me know what it means... but don't kid yourself into believing that just because someone gets tired of explaining themselves, you had the better argument) "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9856	Posted - 2014.01.10 16:12:00 - [110] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: It's mostly people who play at the top end who fully appreciate why respecs are necessary when sweeping changes come through. It's hard to make an informed decision about your SP when all your careful planning is yanked out from under you. Respecs are vital to the games survival until CCP has built their foundation. CCP Rouge seems like he's pushing the game in a positive direction, but until we have that solid base set, respecs will be necessary, and will continue to happen. Most importantly, respecs upset far less people than no respecs. Respecs will stop when we have all basic frames for vehicles and dropsuits. Weapons are less important, we have most of what we need there. Once we start getting new content instead of delayed content, respecs will stop. Well, at least free respecs, since CCP has expressed interest in the SP buyback booster. ^^ I got use of my skill points I chose to invest on givin what was in the game. I killed people and made ISk off of them. Now that some changes and new stuff is coming out those skill points can be taken to the local store and returned for a fancy new dress. And this is fair to people who go mememememememe Reimbursing the Suit skill points after significantly changing suits? Sure Reimbursing Weapons and Equipment? No If you hasve speced into a proto repair tool and no longer has aspirations to be a logi? So what? the repair tool is still useful, and you got tons of use from it in the mean time. Same can go for any weapon... These skills aren't ever useless and will always have some form of use. You have a suit respec, and a 3x SP event coming up, Go and Earn your new skills. You can't respec heavies without respecing weapons. Not sure how that keeps getting past you. Same goes for equipment. An old logi who wants to go heavy will get no use out of his equipment, and thus needs it refunded. Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict

RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 653	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:34:00 - [111] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: RKKR wrote: Edit: Seems that the monkey is finally out of the sleeve.. I'm afraid I'm not familiar with that particular saying. I'm curious what it means and it's country of origin? I assume most TSOL guys are from Oceania but I'm sure there are exceptions. Dutch, it's always fun to do these translations.
Thang Bausch Pierrot Le Fou Industries 88	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:42:00 - [112] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: The only people who should get a respec are Minmatar Logis...those guys, they got it bad. Oh, and anybody who went into any form of any heavy. Cal/Gal Logis don't deserve a respec. You joke right ? They have the best buff ever maded to all logi EVER. 50% more range with repair tool means repair from 50 meters you can repair someone while being out of range of his weapon EASILY!!!!!!! 25% more repair rate means Traige repair tool : 120hp/s and focused : 200hp/s. More hp rate means more point and faster. Don't forget these values are PER LEVEL. While us Amarr were supposed to be the Combat engineer and....NO **** this we just set spawn and then hide somewhere nobody can see at what point we sucks with these bonus. The min logi was never intended to be a medic support character. The extra speed and hacking bonus was best for an infiltrator role. Many of us chose min logi because we wanted to do infiltrating in skirmish, not be a full time medic. I don't care how awesome the rep tool bonus is because I don't want to play a medic full time.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9862	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:44:00 - [113] - Quote According to Iron Wolf Saber in IRC, the CPM is almost unanimous on a Full Respec. If that gets shot down, their next aim is for an infantry respec (dropsuits, upgrades, weapons). So, while far from set in stone, it stands to reason that we will see one of the two next month. Rejoice Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
Thang Bausch Pierrot Le Fou Industries 88	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:50:00 - [114] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: - One argument I've heard is the much-discussed minnie logi bonus. People love their speedy hacker suits, which I totally understand, but the "Oh noes now my hacking SP has been wasted" I don't quite get. Why is it wasted? How many of those people are going to take all their SP out of hacking and put it into rep tools? Not many, I'd wager. No, they can use their dropsuit refund and pick whatever suit becomes better at that role. If scouts really get fixed I'm betting thats what a lot of them wanted to be anyway but since they were broken they took the next best alternative. I went proto min logi and I agree with this. Hacking bonus is useful on any suite. When I run in one of my dren suits (other than the min logi one), i still get good use out of the hacking bonus. Now, changing my min logi suite so it has a rep tool bonus instead of a hacking bonus has me beyond mad. I grinded for months (passive and active boosters) to build an infiltrator fit (including non suite skills) and that just got thrown away. I want my sp back from my min logi suite. The rest I don't care as much about even though I will very likely never use the stamina module and other skills I speced into now that I can't run infiltrator.
Thang Bausch Pierrot Le Fou Industries 88	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:53:00 - [115] - Quote Thang Bausch wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: - One argument I've heard is the much-discussed minnie logi bonus. People love their speedy hacker suits, which I totally understand, but the "Oh noes now my hacking SP has been wasted" I don't quite get. Why is it wasted? How many of those people are going to take all their SP out of hacking and put it into rep tools? Not many, I'd wager. No, they can use their dropsuit refund and pick whatever suit becomes better at that role. If scouts really get fixed I'm betting thats what a lot of them wanted to be anyway but since they were broken they took the next best alternative. I went proto min logi and I agree with this. Hacking bonus is useful on any suite. When I run in one of my dren suits (other than the min logi one), i still get good use out of the hacking bonus. Now, changing my min logi suite so it has a rep tool bonus instead of a hacking bonus has me beyond mad. I grinded for months (passive and active boosters) to build an infiltrator fit (including non suite skills) and that just got thrown away. I want my sp back from my min logi suite. The rest I don't care as much about even though I will very likely never use the stamina module and other skills I speced into now that I can't run infiltrator. not that any of this really matters since the server lag that I have been getting the last 2-3 weeks has made the game unplayable most the time I want to play.
Natalie Herondale 0uter.Heaven 172	Posted - 2014.01.10 21:04:00 - [116] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Put me firmly in the no respec crowd, can't even guess as to how many times I said on these forums, go shove your core flaylock up your cal logis a$$, you don't get a respec. They hurt the game, they are contrary to the core tenet that your decisions matter, and the more they give them, the more people will start whining for them every patch. Don't even get me started on the idea of pay-to-win respecs, I might have a stroke. But... If 1.8 (or 2.0, might be more representative) actually does pull in all these new bonuses, and all the new suits, at least a dropsuit tree respec is in order. Full respec? I dunno, I mean I don't see why people need to make major changes to their core upgrades, those help everyone. Why this and not a respec of weapons with the new sidearms and the recent 2 new rifles? Well, weapons are actually the least of all of the SP sinks in the game, I mean, everyone got the new rifles to proto in like a week. Takes a lot longer than that for a suit. Choices do matter, but not if CCP forced you to make a false one because they released an incomplete game. If all I had right now was a minmatar heavy I would not be happy about it, I'd want to get that dirty duct tape covered women's self defense class target suit off me 5 minutes after the new one was released. With all the suits out, it's almost like actually being out of beta. A fresh start for people using gear they were forced to use, not chose because it was OP, is quite fair. TL;DR I hate respecs but with the massive dropsuit changes apparently coming out, it's time for at least a partial one. Discuss. I agree with you to an extent. Your decisions should matter, but keep two things in mind: 1. DUST is not new player friendly. 2. With each update they buff something only to nerf it next month. When I first started playing this game I had no idea what I was doing, about the different roles, etc. Frankly, I didn't even know you could squad with other people until later on. I was also at a complete loss as to how the sky just randomly starts falling in someone's name. As a result, I made many mistakes skilling into different things not realizing how valuable my SP would be in the long run. Also, when a person makes a choice it's supposed to be their choice. For example, if I skill into Mass Drivers because they're great and I enjoy using them it's not my fault when they've been nerfed. I would have been completely satisfied had CCP not changed my game up on me without giving me a choice in the matter. If you're going to continually do things like that, at least give me the option of taking my SP back and putting it into something else that is actually working. In that, a respec is only fair. Personally, a respec for me would make all the difference. My former noob ways continue to haunt me. If you're going to be bad, be bad with a purpose.
Sports Dude WarRavens League of Infamy 265	Posted - 2014.01.10 21:08:00 - [117] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: According to Iron Wolf Saber in IRC, the CPM is almost unanimous on a Full Respec. If that gets shot down, their next aim is for an infantry respec (dropsuits, upgrades, weapons). So, while far from set in stone, it stands to reason that we will see one of the two next month. Rejoice I would actually comeback and play more if this is true! hate playing as Gal Scout at this point after months and months of it. Want that Gal Heavy
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9866	Posted - 2014.01.10 21:16:00 - [118] - Quote Sports Dude wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: According to Iron Wolf Saber in IRC, the CPM is almost unanimous on a Full Respec. If that gets shot down, their next aim is for an infantry respec (dropsuits, upgrades, weapons). So, while far from set in stone, it stands to reason that we will see one of the two next month. Rejoice I would actually comeback and play more if this is true! hate playing as Gal Scout at this point after months and months of it. Want that Gal Heavy Exact opposite for me, I'm so done with heavies, I just want to go back to my roots as a scout. Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
Sports Dude WarRavens League of Infamy 265	Posted - 2014.01.10 21:38:00 - [119] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Sports Dude wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: According to Iron Wolf Saber in IRC, the CPM is almost unanimous on a Full Respec. If that gets shot down, their next aim is for an infantry respec (dropsuits, upgrades, weapons). So, while far from set in stone, it stands to reason that we will see one of the two next month. Rejoice I would actually comeback and play more if this is true! hate playing as Gal Scout at this point after months and months of it. Want that Gal Heavy Exact opposite for me, I'm so done with heavies, I just want to go back to my roots as a scout. I was a Assault player all through closed beta, Derpship pilot in open beta, and scout since late open beta/release. most likely going heavy but may just go with my assault roots.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 789	Posted - 2014.01.10 22:08:00 - [120] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Bethhy wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: It's mostly people who play at the top end who fully appreciate why respecs are necessary when sweeping changes come through. It's hard to make an informed decision about your SP when all your careful planning is yanked out from under you. Respecs are vital to the games survival until CCP has built their foundation. CCP Rouge seems like he's pushing the game in a positive direction, but until we have that solid base set, respecs will be necessary, and will continue to happen. Most importantly, respecs upset far less people than no respecs. Respecs will stop when we have all basic frames for vehicles and dropsuits. Weapons are less important, we have most of what we need there. Once we start getting new content instead of delayed content, respecs will stop. Well, at least free respecs, since CCP has expressed interest in the SP buyback booster. ^^ I got use of my skill points I chose to invest on givin what was in the game. I killed people and made ISk off of them. Now that some changes and new stuff is coming out those skill points can be taken to the local store and returned for a fancy new dress. And this is fair to people who go mememememememe Reimbursing the Suit skill points after significantly changing suits? Sure Reimbursing Weapons and Equipment? No If you hasve speced into a proto repair tool and no longer has aspirations to be a logi? So what? the repair tool is still useful, and you got tons of use from it in the mean time. Same can go for any weapon... These skills aren't ever useless and will always have some form of use. You have a suit respec, and a 3x SP event coming up, Go and Earn your new skills. You can't respec heavies without respecing weapons. Not sure how that keeps getting past you. Same goes for equipment. An old logi who wants to go heavy will get no use out of his equipment, and thus needs it refunded. Weapons haven't significantly changed, and they are still useful on suit's that require no skills. Equipment hasn't changed and is still useful on tons of suit options that require little to no skills. Like i said We have got significant use out of the skill points we chose to allocate. Killed people, made isk... forwarded our position amoungst our peers. trading them in now for something new as if you never got something for them.. is a memememe argument. RKKR wrote: I'm pretty sure that the suits will be useful too with that logic . Suit's are all getting changed so yes reimbursal makes sense in line with CCP's history... to be honest i would prefer everyone stuck with their choices they made and if they want to utilize the new suits they can save SP and grind it out... But then the casual's would get scared because they would have to go and grind SP... and no one wants a hard game where you have to actually try on a console...

Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 789	Posted - 2014.01.10 22:18:00 - [121] - Quote Thang Bausch wrote: Mordecai Sanguine wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: The only people who should get a respec are Minmatar Logis...those guys, they got it bad. Oh, and anybody who went into any form of any heavy. Cal/Gal Logis don't deserve a respec. You joke right ? They have the best buff ever maded to all logi EVER. 50% more range with repair tool means repair from 50 meters you can repair someone while being out of range of his weapon EASILY!!!!!!! 25% more repair rate means Traige repair tool : 120hp/s and focused : 200hp/s. More hp rate means more point and faster. Don't forget these values are PER LEVEL. While us Amarr were supposed to be the Combat engineer and....NO **** this we just set spawn and then hide somewhere nobody can see at what point we sucks with these bonus. The min logi was never intended to be a medic support character. The extra speed and hacking bonus was best for an infiltrator role. Many of us chose min logi because we wanted to do infiltrating in skirmish, not be a full time medic. I don't care how awesome the rep tool bonus is because I don't want to play a medic full time. A medic was always supposed to be a support role, CCP forgot what scoutz where for and still is scrambling to figure out what they are for. They definitely didn't really know what a logi was for on Uprising launch except for coloring assault suits yellow and giving them more equipment slots. The scout was always supposed to be the infiltrator..Get in provide recognizance, forward spawns, infiltration and the hard counter to the heavy. meh lets just give them cloaks that will make it all better.
Natalie Herondale 0uter.Heaven 173	Posted - 2014.01.10 22:21:00 - [122] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Thang Bausch wrote: Mordecai Sanguine wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: The only people who should get a respec are Minmatar Logis...those guys, they got it bad. Oh, and anybody who went into any form of any heavy. Cal/Gal Logis don't deserve a respec. You joke right ? They have the best buff ever maded to all logi EVER. 50% more range with repair tool means repair from 50 meters you can repair someone while being out of range of his weapon EASILY!!!!!!! 25% more repair rate means Traige repair tool : 120hp/s and focused : 200hp/s. More hp rate means more point and faster. Don't forget these values are PER LEVEL. While us Amarr were supposed to be the Combat engineer and....NO **** this we just set spawn and then hide somewhere nobody can see at what point we sucks with these bonus. The min logi was never intended to be a medic support character. The extra speed and hacking bonus was best for an infiltrator role. Many of us chose min logi because we wanted to do infiltrating in skirmish, not be a full time medic. I don't care how awesome the rep tool bonus is because I don't want to play a medic full time. A medic was always supposed to be a support role, CCP forgot what scoutz where for and still is scrambling to figure out what they are for. They definitely didn't really know what a logi was for on Uprising launch except to coloring assault suits yellow and giving them more equipment slots. The scout was always supposed to be the infiltrator..Get in provide recognizance, forward spawns, infiltration and the hard counter to the heavy. meh lets just give them cloaks that will make it all better. The cloak of invisibility like from Harry Potter?! I like where this is going... If you're going to be bad, be bad with a purpose.
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 653	Posted - 2014.01.11 08:45:00 - [123] - Quote Bethhy wrote: RKKR wrote: I'm pretty sure that the suits will be useful too with that logic . Suit's are all getting changed so yes reimbursal makes sense in line with CCP's history... to be honest i would prefer everyone stuck with their choices they made and if they want to utilize the new suits they can save SP and grind it out... But then the casual's would get scared because they would have to go and grind SP... and no one wants a hard game where you have to actually try on a console... CCP should stick to their crappy UPRISING by that logic, because that was their choice . Feel free to still believe in the choice/decision myth in this unfinished game. Grinding is not hard it's boring, games are made to have fun, not to be boring. I find it funny that you try to give the casuals a bad rep, remember when everyone was sitting in the MMC? Those where all casuals too I guess?
DeeJay One Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 187	Posted - 2014.01.11 09:04:00 - [124] - Quote Skihids wrote: We can carefully plan and craft Good joke. Everybody specced in the FOTM always in Dusts history so far. Only now we're beginning to see some more diverse strategies on the fields. Soon everyone will be crying for a vehicle respec once again as CCP fixes some obvious issues. I might live with a full respec when we'll see racial suit parity with the addendum in the respec announcement that there will be no respec ifanother type of suits comes out (pilot suits for example). Of course those suits should come with a full racial palette or come in pirate faction variants with their own skill requirements like it's in EVE. All the debacle is just because CCP didn't bother to release all the suits after open beta :/ Of course I'd prefer only the Dropsuit tree respec right now, because the side skills are fine.
IVIaster LUKE 332	Posted - 2014.01.11 12:49:00 - [125] - Quote Just say NO to Mulligans. Respec = Mulligan. Fourrrrrrr! "If you can dodge a Wrench, you can dodge a Duvolle".
demonkiller 12 G.L.O.R.Y Public Disorder. 326	Posted - 2014.01.11 12:52:00 - [126] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Put me firmly in the no respec crowd, can't even guess as to how many times I said on these forums, go shove your core flaylock up your cal logis a$$, you don't get a respec. They hurt the game, they are contrary to the core tenet that your decisions matter, and the more they give them, the more people will start whining for them every patch. Don't even get me started on the idea of pay-to-win respecs, I might have a stroke. But... If 1.8 (or 2.0, might be more representative) actually does pull in all these new bonuses, and all the new suits, at least a dropsuit tree respec is in order. Full respec? I dunno, I mean I don't see why people need to make major changes to their core upgrades, those help everyone. Why this and not a respec of weapons with the new sidearms and the recent 2 new rifles? Well, weapons are actually the least of all of the SP sinks in the game, I mean, everyone got the new rifles to proto in like a week. Takes a lot longer than that for a suit. Choices do matter, but not if CCP forced you to make a false one because they released an incomplete game. If all I had right now was a minmatar heavy I would not be happy about it, I'd want to get that dirty duct tape covered women's self defense class target suit off me 5 minutes after the new one was released. With all the suits out, it's almost like actually being out of beta. A fresh start for people using gear they were forced to use, not chose because it was OP, is quite fair. TL;DR I hate respecs but with the massive dropsuit changes apparently coming out, it's time for at least a partial one. Discuss. when you spec into and buy something, it shouldnt be able to magically change, thats like buying a car, and then the manufacturer are like IM SORRY BUT WERE GOING TO CHANGE IT and then they turn it into a 2 ton blow drier


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