DUST Search - Respecs are STUPID

Bethhy wrote:

Mortedeamor wrote:

DUST Fiend wrote:

It's mostly people who play at the top end who fully appreciate why respecs are necessary when sweeping changes come through. It's hard to make an informed decision about your SP when all your careful planning is yanked out from under you.

Respecs are vital to the games survival until CCP has built their foundation. CCP Rouge seems like he's pushing the game in a positive direction, but until we have that solid base set, respecs will be necessary, and will continue to happen.

Most importantly, respecs upset far less people than no respecs.

Respecs will stop when we have all basic frames for vehicles and dropsuits. Weapons are less important, we have most of what we need there. Once we start getting new content instead of delayed content, respecs will stop. Well, at least free respecs, since CCP has expressed interest in the SP buyback booster.

I got use of my skill points I chose to invest on givin what was in the game. I killed people and made ISk off of them. Now that some changes and new stuff is coming out those skill points can be taken to the local store and returned for a fancy new dress. And this is fair to people who go mememememememe

Reimbursing the Suit skill points after significantly changing suits? Sure

Reimbursing Weapons and Equipment? No

If you hasve speced into a proto repair tool and no longer has aspirations to be a logi? So what? the repair tool is still useful, and you got tons of use from it in the mean time. Same can go for any weapon... These skills aren't ever useless and will always have some form of use.

You have a suit respec, and a 3x SP event coming up, Go and Earn your new skills.


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DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9771	Posted - 2014.01.08 13:44:00 - [1] - Quote It's mostly people who play at the top end who fully appreciate why respecs are necessary when sweeping changes come through. It's hard to make an informed decision about your SP when all your careful planning is yanked out from other you. Respecs are vital to the games survival until CCP has built their foundation. CCP Rouge seems like he's pushing the game in a positive direction, but until we have that solid base set, respecs will be necessary, and will continue to happen. Most importantly, respecs upset far less people than no respecs. Respecs will stop when we have all basic frames for vehicles and dropsuits. Weapons are less important, we have most of what we need there. Once we start getting new content instead of delayed content, respecs will stop. Well, at least free respecs, since CCP has expressed interest in the SP buyback booster. Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9776	Posted - 2014.01.08 15:29:00 - [2] - Quote THE GREY CARDINAL wrote: Dropsuit command rspec is enough, people don't need weapons and dropsuit upgrades respecced as well. Dropsuits and their bonuses directly determine the modules and weapons you skill into, so yes, those would need to be respeced as well Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9776	Posted - 2014.01.08 15:39:00 - [3] - Quote Bethhy wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: THE GREY CARDINAL wrote: Dropsuit command rspec is enough, people don't need weapons and dropsuit upgrades respecced as well. Dropsuits and their bonuses directly determine the modules and weapons you skill into, so yes, those would need to be respeced as well Not really, people still get proto rep tools and nanohives without even having anything past a "Dren" logi suit. Weaponry and equipment skills are all reusable on many many different options in DUST, and cheap enough in SP that they can be saved for and skilled into. We don't need a bunch of cookie cutter maxed out in the suit vets the first day, we will start this patch off with massive balance issues. More competition = better gameplay, so letting people make their builds with the information at hand is good. Only bad players worry about other players having good builds. Good players welcome the challenge and understand that people enjoying their builds is good for the health of the game, and for competition. Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9778	Posted - 2014.01.08 15:53:00 - [4] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Ever wonder why we had Cal Logi's everywhere.., Hint, it involved respec's. ;) We would have had them anyways, it just would have taken a little longer. That's a balance issue, not a respec issue. Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9779	Posted - 2014.01.08 16:01:00 - [5] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: The only people who should get a respec are Minmatar Logis...those guys, they got it bad. Oh, and anybody who went into any form of any heavy. Cal/Gal Logis don't deserve a respec. There were some people who were using Minnie logis as sneaky fast hack suits only. Pretty much what a scout suit is meant for. That's like people who slay in logi suits. Improper use of the class due to poor game mechanics doesn't entitle one to a respec. A bonus to the rep tool is actually a huge plus for logis doing logi things. Backing heavies at points just became a lot easier. You trying to impose specific playstyles on people and laughing at them because they're working with the tools at hand just shows your lack of understanding when it comes to how people approach games like this. People work with what's in the game. They can't be expected to predict the future and decide exactly how CCP will eventually want their classes to be played. Scouts are terrible hackers because they're easy to kill while standing still, and they lose all stealth bonuses while hacking since the entire enemy team knows where they are. They also have a harder time fitting hacking modules, unlike the logistics suit. If anything, logi's were the intended hackers, especially considering that they were the only class to have a bonus to hacking. Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9779	Posted - 2014.01.08 16:11:00 - [6] - Quote Bethhy wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Bethhy wrote: Ever wonder why we had Cal Logi's everywhere.., Hint, it involved respec's. ;) We would have had them anyways, it just would have taken a little longer. That's a balance issue, not a respec issue. Yes because we are going to have a balanced patch release from CCP? You can spit hypothetical's all you want, 2 respec's in DUST, 2 massive issues for DUST. specially in NPE.. Even worse for balance. This is replicated in every MMO where respec's became suddenly available, or offered for a limited time. I don't care either way, respecs have happened a number of times in the past, and the trend will continue until all basic material is in the game, and likely afterwords in the form of paid SP buyback boosters. If CCP didn't want respecs in DUST, they wouldn't have tied SP with $$ Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9779	Posted - 2014.01.08 16:29:00 - [7] - Quote Like I said, I don't care either way, I spent my SP with the expectation that CCP would screw up and not offer respecs when they change everything around. Thankfully, CCP has shown just recently that they have no issues giving respecs for big changes (1.7 vehicle respec) so it is safe to assume we will have an infantry respec soon. If we do, I'll go back to my roots as a scout. If we don't, I'll keep doing what I'm doing. I would love for more people to have competitive builds though, since the competition in DUST is almost non existent Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9782	Posted - 2014.01.08 16:35:00 - [8] - Quote Bethhy wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Like I said, I don't care either way, I spent my SP with the expectation that CCP would screw up and not offer respecs when they change everything around. Thankfully, CCP has shown just recently that they have no issues giving respecs for big changes (1.7 vehicle respec) so it is safe to assume we will have an infantry respec soon. If we do, I'll go back to my roots as a scout. If we don't, I'll keep doing what I'm doing. I would love for more people to have competitive builds though, since the competition in DUST is almost non existent They reimbursed the skill points on the skills they changed and tree's they changed. This is history of CCP when chaging or playing with skills. for over a decade. Was much different. So when we have the infantry respec you won't be upset. Good to know Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9782	Posted - 2014.01.08 16:41:00 - [9] - Quote Bethhy wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Bethhy wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Like I said, I don't care either way, I spent my SP with the expectation that CCP would screw up and not offer respecs when they change everything around. Thankfully, CCP has shown just recently that they have no issues giving respecs for big changes (1.7 vehicle respec) so it is safe to assume we will have an infantry respec soon. If we do, I'll go back to my roots as a scout. If we don't, I'll keep doing what I'm doing. I would love for more people to have competitive builds though, since the competition in DUST is almost non existent They reimbursed the skill points on the skills they changed and tree's they changed. This is history of CCP when chaging or playing with skills. for over a decade. Was much different. So when we have the infantry respec you won't be upset. Good to know Assault,Logi and Sentinel Suit sure? Modules that aren't being touched? no. Scouts are probably going to be touched on too, and it seems like cloaks might be coming sooner than expected. We also don't know if any new modules will be added, or if existing modules will be altered. I'm happy to agree to disagree, but my money is on a full dropsuit command and upgrades respec, if not weapons as well. Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9814	Posted - 2014.01.09 14:42:00 - [10] - Quote I like these threads because we always end up getting the respecs anyways Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9837	Posted - 2014.01.10 00:04:00 - [11] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: JONAHBENHUR wrote: full respec to everyone this is too big of a change for a lot of reasons none of the leaked bonuses jive with most peoples fits and they dont cruise the forums to check this kinda stuff Too bad, grow up. It's a video game, let people enjoy it. So, as you say: grow up. Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9838	Posted - 2014.01.10 00:15:00 - [12] - Quote How can you respec suits but not weapons? Heavies aren't a thing? You say "earn" as if people started the game with their SP..... Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9856	Posted - 2014.01.10 16:12:00 - [13] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: It's mostly people who play at the top end who fully appreciate why respecs are necessary when sweeping changes come through. It's hard to make an informed decision about your SP when all your careful planning is yanked out from under you. Respecs are vital to the games survival until CCP has built their foundation. CCP Rouge seems like he's pushing the game in a positive direction, but until we have that solid base set, respecs will be necessary, and will continue to happen. Most importantly, respecs upset far less people than no respecs. Respecs will stop when we have all basic frames for vehicles and dropsuits. Weapons are less important, we have most of what we need there. Once we start getting new content instead of delayed content, respecs will stop. Well, at least free respecs, since CCP has expressed interest in the SP buyback booster. ^^ I got use of my skill points I chose to invest on givin what was in the game. I killed people and made ISk off of them. Now that some changes and new stuff is coming out those skill points can be taken to the local store and returned for a fancy new dress. And this is fair to people who go mememememememe Reimbursing the Suit skill points after significantly changing suits? Sure Reimbursing Weapons and Equipment? No If you hasve speced into a proto repair tool and no longer has aspirations to be a logi? So what? the repair tool is still useful, and you got tons of use from it in the mean time. Same can go for any weapon... These skills aren't ever useless and will always have some form of use. You have a suit respec, and a 3x SP event coming up, Go and Earn your new skills. You can't respec heavies without respecing weapons. Not sure how that keeps getting past you. Same goes for equipment. An old logi who wants to go heavy will get no use out of his equipment, and thus needs it refunded. Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9862	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:44:00 - [14] - Quote According to Iron Wolf Saber in IRC, the CPM is almost unanimous on a Full Respec. If that gets shot down, their next aim is for an infantry respec (dropsuits, upgrades, weapons). So, while far from set in stone, it stands to reason that we will see one of the two next month. Rejoice Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9866	Posted - 2014.01.10 21:16:00 - [15] - Quote Sports Dude wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: According to Iron Wolf Saber in IRC, the CPM is almost unanimous on a Full Respec. If that gets shot down, their next aim is for an infantry respec (dropsuits, upgrades, weapons). So, while far from set in stone, it stands to reason that we will see one of the two next month. Rejoice I would actually comeback and play more if this is true! hate playing as Gal Scout at this point after months and months of it. Want that Gal Heavy Exact opposite for me, I'm so done with heavies, I just want to go back to my roots as a scout. Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict