Dear John,

An insult is something like telling "if you guys want to go all nerd rage".

ASKING something like "Are you a girl?" is just a question...you could have easily told me that you are not. I'm sorry I hurt your feelings, but feel free to point fingers for trying to insult someone .

I see that you state that I'm referring to someone else's statements and yet you mention "I'll give you that one" later in your text. Actually what the hell does it matter if I refer to someone else or not? Nothing...so it's funny that you suddenly react to it, no?

You can rephrase whatever you want, but that still doesn't make it logical to only give a partial respec instead of a full respec.

If you have trouble understanding that, you should read some more respec-'whining' posts because some arguments explain it pretty well.

but well let's cut all this bullshit and let me ask you this?

Why are you against respecs? Because decisions matter?

Some people based their decision on a specific suit/skill/bonus. Ever thought about that If those choices weren't there in the first place that people would have made other decisions?

You might not be wrong that people would want those skills back, but maybe not in the same order, maybe they want to put it in other stuff first, maybe not at all?

Changing stuff will steal their "decision" away...something you seem to be against, so why are you against respecs?

If decision would really matter, then CCP would test things thoroughly first before implementing it (and stick with their decision to keep it like that), which they don't...

I hope all you anti-respec guys finally understand that the decision thing is just a myth.

Too bad, grow up.

Same could be said about you John, so don't try to push my opinion in a corner like I'm some twit that won't change his mind no matter what.

I know I'm not the one that started from the premise that 'decision matter' and then go on rationalizing that a partial respec is fine for reason that go against the original premise.

I also like the fact that some people against respecs say you will have enough SP to skill up your stuff, but are afraid that respec will cause imbalances, it will happen anyway because it's made possible by bad game design, not 100% respecs. It's time to realize that this GAME is not perfect.

Respecs don't hurt anyone and can help the game

It's mostly people who play at the top end who fully appreciate why respecs are necessary when sweeping changes come through. It's hard to make an informed decision about your SP when all your careful planning is yanked out from under you.

Respecs are vital to the games survival until CCP has built their foundation. CCP Rouge seems like he's pushing the game in a positive direction, but until we have that solid base set, respecs will be necessary, and will continue to happen.

Most importantly, respecs upset far less people than no respecs.

Respecs will stop when we have all basic frames for vehicles and dropsuits. Weapons are less important, we have most of what we need there. Once we start getting new content instead of delayed content, respecs will stop. Well, at least free respecs, since CCP has expressed interest in the SP buyback booster.

The only people who should get a respec are Minmatar Logis...those guys, they got it bad. Oh, and anybody who went into any form of any heavy.

Cal/Gal Logis don't deserve a respec.

Nope, as partial respecs are as stupid as no respecs at all. For reasons said above by me and other peeps.

It still seems like you just have trouble with people that specced into stuff because they were OP and I'm not sure at all why you kept talking about 'decisions matter' in your OP if you think it's false anyway?



Duuuuh, It's no point summing up the fails of this game as there are too many, sticking it all to SP respecs is just silly, because it's gamedesign that's at fault not the respecs. Having respecs or no respecs won't solve the problem.

I'm in favor for respecs, but yeah the game needs to be fixed first, untill that time it won't matter if we get respecs or not in the meantime because it all will be broken. After that it will make sense to debate respecs, not now. Sometimes I think that people against respecs think this game is already in a finished State.....

^^

If you hasve speced into a proto repair tool and no longer has aspirations to be a logi? So what? the repair tool is still useful, and you got tons of use from it in the mean time. Same can go for any weapon... These skills aren't ever useless and will always have some form of use.

Edit: Seems that the monkey is finally out of the sleeve..

I got use of my skill points I chose to invest on givin what was in the game. I killed people and made ISk off of them. Now that some changes and new stuff is coming out those skill points can be taken to the local store and returned for a fancy new dress. And this is fair to people who go mememememememe

Reimbursing the Suit skill points after significantly changing suits? Sure

Reimbursing Weapons and Equipment? No

If you hasve speced into a proto repair tool and no longer has aspirations to be a logi? So what? the repair tool is still useful, and you got tons of use from it in the mean time. Same can go for any weapon... These skills aren't ever useless and will always have some form of use.


You have a suit respec, and a 3x SP event coming up, Go and Earn your new skills.

I'm afraid I'm not familiar with that particular saying. I'm curious what it means and it's country of origin? I assume most TSOL guys are from Oceania but I'm sure there are exceptions.

You joke right ?
They have the best buff ever maded to all logi EVER.
50% more range with repair tool means repair from 50 meters you can repair someone while being out of range of his weapon EASILY!!!!!!!
25% more repair rate means Traige repair tool : 120hp/s and focused : 200hp/s.
More hp rate means more point and faster.
Don't forget these values are PER LEVEL.



While us Amarr were supposed to be the Combat engineer and....NO **** this we just set spawn and then hide somewhere nobody can see at what point we sucks with these bonus.

- One argument I've heard is the much-discussed minnie logi bonus. People love their speedy hacker suits, which I totally understand, but the "Oh noes now my hacking SP has been wasted" I don't quite get. Why is it wasted? How many of those people are going to take all their SP out of hacking and put it into rep tools? Not many, I'd wager. No, they can use their dropsuit refund and pick whatever suit becomes better at that role. If scouts really get fixed I'm betting thats what a lot of them wanted to be anyway but since they were broken they took the next best alternative.

I went proto min logi and I agree with this. Hacking bonus is useful on any suite. When I run in one of my dren suits (other than the min logi one), i still get good use out of the hacking bonus.

Now, changing my min logi suite so it has a rep tool bonus instead of a hacking bonus has me beyond mad. I grinded for months (passive and active boosters) to build an infiltrator fit (including non suite skills) and that just got thrown away. I want my sp back from my min logi suite. The rest I don't care as much about even though I will very likely never use the stamina module and other skills I speced into now that I can't run infiltrator.

Put me firmly in the no respec crowd, can't even guess as to how many times I said on these forums, go shove your core flaylock up your cal logis a$$, you don't get a respec.

They hurt the game, they are contrary to the core tenet that your decisions matter, and the more they give them, the more people will start whining for them every patch. Don't even get me started on the idea of pay-to-win respecs, I might have a stroke.


But...



If 1.8 (or 2.0, might be more representative) actually does pull in all these new bonuses, and all the new suits, at least a dropsuit tree respec is in order. Full respec? I dunno, I mean I don't see why people need to make major changes to their core upgrades, those help everyone.

Why this and not a respec of weapons with the new sidearms and the recent 2 new rifles? Well, weapons are actually the least of all of the SP sinks in the game, I mean, everyone got the new rifles to proto in like a week. Takes a lot longer than that for a suit.

Choices do matter, but not if CCP forced you to make a false one because they released an incomplete game. If all I had right now was a minmatar heavy I would not be happy about it, I'd want to get that dirty duct tape covered women's self defense class target suit off me 5 minutes after the new one was released.

With all the suits out, it's almost like actually being out of beta. A fresh start for people using gear they were forced to use, not chose because it was OP, is quite fair.


TL;DR I hate respecs but with the massive dropsuit changes apparently coming out, it's time for at least a partial one. Discuss.

According to Iron Wolf Saber in IRC, the CPM is almost unanimous on a Full Respec. If that gets shot down, their next aim is for an infantry respec (dropsuits, upgrades, weapons).

So, while far from set in stone, it stands to reason that we will see one of the two next month.

Rejoice

I would actually comeback and play more if this is true! hate playing as Gal Scout at this point after months and months of it. Want that Gal Heavy

Exact opposite for me, I'm so done with heavies, I just want to go back to my roots as a scout.

You can't respec heavies without respecing weapons.

Not sure how that keeps getting past you.

Same goes for equipment. An old logi who wants to go heavy will get no use out of his equipment, and thus needs it refunded.

I'm pretty sure that the suits will be useful too with that logic .