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RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 646	Posted - 2014.01.08 15:31:00 - [31] - Quote CCP changing their game goes against your claim of "they [respecs] are contrary to the core tenet that your decisions matter". Who's stupid now?
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 737	Posted - 2014.01.08 15:32:00 - [32] - Quote At best we should get reimbursed the skill points from the affected skill tree's. So you would get your 2m'ish SP back to reallocate. And if your a commando your suits aren't being changed so there would be no reason for it. Nothing short of Logistic,Assault,Sentinel suit skills getting reimbursed for reallocating.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 737	Posted - 2014.01.08 15:36:00 - [33] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: THE GREY CARDINAL wrote: Dropsuit command rspec is enough, people don't need weapons and dropsuit upgrades respecced as well. Dropsuits and their bonuses directly determine the modules and weapons you skill into, so yes, those would need to be respeced as well Not really, people still get proto rep tools and nanohives without even having anything past a "Dren" logi suit. Weaponry and equipment skills are all reusable on many many different options in DUST, and cheap enough in SP that they can be saved for and skilled into. We don't need a bunch of cookie cutter maxed out in the suit vets the first day, we will start this patch off with massive balance issues.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 3152	Posted - 2014.01.08 15:39:00 - [34] - Quote Swarm Launchers deserve a respec though. I'd rather have a militia Forge gun than a Proto Swarm Launcher with damage proficiency and 3 Complex Damage modifiers. Swarm Launchers are just useless. So.............. how is using something the way I want OP? -Spkr4theDead
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9776	Posted - 2014.01.08 15:39:00 - [35] - Quote Bethhy wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: THE GREY CARDINAL wrote: Dropsuit command rspec is enough, people don't need weapons and dropsuit upgrades respecced as well. Dropsuits and their bonuses directly determine the modules and weapons you skill into, so yes, those would need to be respeced as well Not really, people still get proto rep tools and nanohives without even having anything past a "Dren" logi suit. Weaponry and equipment skills are all reusable on many many different options in DUST, and cheap enough in SP that they can be saved for and skilled into. We don't need a bunch of cookie cutter maxed out in the suit vets the first day, we will start this patch off with massive balance issues. More competition = better gameplay, so letting people make their builds with the information at hand is good. Only bad players worry about other players having good builds. Good players welcome the challenge and understand that people enjoying their builds is good for the health of the game, and for competition. Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 737	Posted - 2014.01.08 15:45:00 - [36] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Bethhy wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: THE GREY CARDINAL wrote: Dropsuit command rspec is enough, people don't need weapons and dropsuit upgrades respecced as well. Dropsuits and their bonuses directly determine the modules and weapons you skill into, so yes, those would need to be respeced as well Not really, people still get proto rep tools and nanohives without even having anything past a "Dren" logi suit. Weaponry and equipment skills are all reusable on many many different options in DUST, and cheap enough in SP that they can be saved for and skilled into. We don't need a bunch of cookie cutter maxed out in the suit vets the first day, we will start this patch off with massive balance issues. More competition = better gameplay, so letting people make their builds with the information at hand is good. Only bad players worry about other players having good builds. Good players welcome the challenge and understand that people enjoying their builds is good for the health of the game, and for competition. I Have been through a couple respec's. This is not true in anyway. but is good propaganda. lol. This will be just another stomp fest for a month until the other players catch up, and extremely boring. Ever wonder why we had Cal Logi's everywhere.., Hint, it involved respec's. ;)
Icarus DelSol BIG BAD W0LVES 12	Posted - 2014.01.08 15:47:00 - [37] - Quote gg JKl wrote: Just give us more x3 SP events. who saved their omega boosters?!?!?
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 738	Posted - 2014.01.08 15:51:00 - [38] - Quote Icarus DelSol wrote: gg JKl wrote: Just give us more x3 SP events. who saved their omega boosters?!?!? SP event's are much better for the health of the game. Earn your SP for your new equipment and weapons you plan to run on your suit. Promotes activity and peaks out the players playing the game to really give a good shake down of the patch.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9778	Posted - 2014.01.08 15:53:00 - [39] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Ever wonder why we had Cal Logi's everywhere.., Hint, it involved respec's. ;) We would have had them anyways, it just would have taken a little longer. That's a balance issue, not a respec issue. Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 995	Posted - 2014.01.08 15:54:00 - [40] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: The only people who should get a respec are Minmatar Logis...those guys, they got it bad. Oh, and anybody who went into any form of any heavy. Cal/Gal Logis don't deserve a respec. There were some people who were using Minnie logis as sneaky fast hack suits only. Pretty much what a scout suit is meant for. That's like people who slay in logi suits. Improper use of the class due to poor game mechanics doesn't entitle one to a respec. A bonus to the rep tool is actually a huge plus for logis doing logi things. Backing heavies at points just became a lot easier. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9779	Posted - 2014.01.08 16:01:00 - [41] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: The only people who should get a respec are Minmatar Logis...those guys, they got it bad. Oh, and anybody who went into any form of any heavy. Cal/Gal Logis don't deserve a respec. There were some people who were using Minnie logis as sneaky fast hack suits only. Pretty much what a scout suit is meant for. That's like people who slay in logi suits. Improper use of the class due to poor game mechanics doesn't entitle one to a respec. A bonus to the rep tool is actually a huge plus for logis doing logi things. Backing heavies at points just became a lot easier. You trying to impose specific playstyles on people and laughing at them because they're working with the tools at hand just shows your lack of understanding when it comes to how people approach games like this. People work with what's in the game. They can't be expected to predict the future and decide exactly how CCP will eventually want their classes to be played. Scouts are terrible hackers because they're easy to kill while standing still, and they lose all stealth bonuses while hacking since the entire enemy team knows where they are. They also have a harder time fitting hacking modules, unlike the logistics suit. If anything, logi's were the intended hackers, especially considering that they were the only class to have a bonus to hacking. Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 738	Posted - 2014.01.08 16:08:00 - [42] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Bethhy wrote: Ever wonder why we had Cal Logi's everywhere.., Hint, it involved respec's. ;) We would have had them anyways, it just would have taken a little longer. That's a balance issue, not a respec issue. Yes because we are going to have a balanced patch release from CCP? You can spit hypothetical's all you want, 2 respec's in DUST, 2 massive issues for DUST. specially in NPE.. Even worse for balance. This is replicated in every MMO where respec's became suddenly available, or offered for a limited time. If all i cared about was myself? hell yea give me my respec ill stomp on some redberry's. But seriously i could care less, i would prefer not to have a repeat of what has happened in history.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9779	Posted - 2014.01.08 16:11:00 - [43] - Quote Bethhy wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Bethhy wrote: Ever wonder why we had Cal Logi's everywhere.., Hint, it involved respec's. ;) We would have had them anyways, it just would have taken a little longer. That's a balance issue, not a respec issue. Yes because we are going to have a balanced patch release from CCP? You can spit hypothetical's all you want, 2 respec's in DUST, 2 massive issues for DUST. specially in NPE.. Even worse for balance. This is replicated in every MMO where respec's became suddenly available, or offered for a limited time. I don't care either way, respecs have happened a number of times in the past, and the trend will continue until all basic material is in the game, and likely afterwords in the form of paid SP buyback boosters. If CCP didn't want respecs in DUST, they wouldn't have tied SP with $$ Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2165	Posted - 2014.01.08 16:13:00 - [44] - Quote Choices means jack **** when they keep changing everything Expect a full respec when we get everything released Intelligence is OP
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 738	Posted - 2014.01.08 16:24:00 - [45] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Bethhy wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Bethhy wrote: Ever wonder why we had Cal Logi's everywhere.., Hint, it involved respec's. ;) We would have had them anyways, it just would have taken a little longer. That's a balance issue, not a respec issue. Yes because we are going to have a balanced patch release from CCP? You can spit hypothetical's all you want, 2 respec's in DUST, 2 massive issues for DUST. specially in NPE.. Even worse for balance. This is replicated in every MMO where respec's became suddenly available, or offered for a limited time. I don't care either way, respecs have happened a number of times in the past, and the trend will continue until all basic material is in the game, and likely afterwords in the form of paid SP buyback boosters. If CCP didn't want respecs in DUST, they wouldn't have tied SP with $$ Eve is more of a grind and the SP is tied into $$ just as much... guess what? no respecs for over a decade and counting. Feeling entitled to a respec because some things change on your suit is funny to most EVE players, who have had things change hundreds of times with no offer of a respec. People pretend like the SP they spent is never gonna be useful again, but they know they would rather just max out the skills around one premise again. and fix all the little skill mistakes they had. Against full respec. For reimbursal of the modified dropsuit SP, and a increased SP event.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9779	Posted - 2014.01.08 16:29:00 - [46] - Quote Like I said, I don't care either way, I spent my SP with the expectation that CCP would screw up and not offer respecs when they change everything around. Thankfully, CCP has shown just recently that they have no issues giving respecs for big changes (1.7 vehicle respec) so it is safe to assume we will have an infantry respec soon. If we do, I'll go back to my roots as a scout. If we don't, I'll keep doing what I'm doing. I would love for more people to have competitive builds though, since the competition in DUST is almost non existent Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 739	Posted - 2014.01.08 16:31:00 - [47] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Like I said, I don't care either way, I spent my SP with the expectation that CCP would screw up and not offer respecs when they change everything around. Thankfully, CCP has shown just recently that they have no issues giving respecs for big changes (1.7 vehicle respec) so it is safe to assume we will have an infantry respec soon. If we do, I'll go back to my roots as a scout. If we don't, I'll keep doing what I'm doing. I would love for more people to have competitive builds though, since the competition in DUST is almost non existent They reimbursed the skill points on the skills they changed and tree's they changed. This is history of CCP when chaging or playing with skills. for over a decade. Was much different. This game isnt competitive. Its My AA + Your AA, I have X health, You have X Health, + Skill points, suit, weapon = winner There is no more gun game, there is no more player skill, there isnt even stimulaing duels between two talented Merc's that had them sometimes 30 times in a day before 1.4. Everyone that actually cared about FPS's, competition and getting better at a FPS, has left over the last couple months. DUST is full of people that drunk downloaded the game not knowing what it was, and diehard vets. Competition left DUST 4 months ago and only a few are left.
Blind Nojoy G I A N T General Tso's Alliance 93	Posted - 2014.01.08 16:35:00 - [48] - Quote I chose Gallente assault because of the bonus to fitting weapons. If they are going to completely change the suit bonuses that people spec 'd into, then a refund on the drop suit skill tree is warranted. I don't think we will see any full respecs here, which is why they only offered a refund for vehicles. But if we don't see a suit refund after massive changes, then CCP has lost their minds. So...coin flip I suppose.
Leeroy SnakeBite Russian Troops Of Chaos E-R-A 9	Posted - 2014.01.08 16:35:00 - [49] - Quote I quite excited regarding the new suit bonuses and watching the floods of tears from all the player base who went slayer logis. I have always never understood how a logo class could fit so many damage mods on etc the class of a logo is to support your team and those who specced into a logi to slay will hopefully be stuck with skill points in that suit you choose it to try and get a benefit on others in my opinion which doesn't count for much is you are getting your just deserts.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9782	Posted - 2014.01.08 16:35:00 - [50] - Quote Bethhy wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Like I said, I don't care either way, I spent my SP with the expectation that CCP would screw up and not offer respecs when they change everything around. Thankfully, CCP has shown just recently that they have no issues giving respecs for big changes (1.7 vehicle respec) so it is safe to assume we will have an infantry respec soon. If we do, I'll go back to my roots as a scout. If we don't, I'll keep doing what I'm doing. I would love for more people to have competitive builds though, since the competition in DUST is almost non existent They reimbursed the skill points on the skills they changed and tree's they changed. This is history of CCP when chaging or playing with skills. for over a decade. Was much different. So when we have the infantry respec you won't be upset. Good to know Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict

Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 739	Posted - 2014.01.08 16:38:00 - [51] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Bethhy wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Like I said, I don't care either way, I spent my SP with the expectation that CCP would screw up and not offer respecs when they change everything around. Thankfully, CCP has shown just recently that they have no issues giving respecs for big changes (1.7 vehicle respec) so it is safe to assume we will have an infantry respec soon. If we do, I'll go back to my roots as a scout. If we don't, I'll keep doing what I'm doing. I would love for more people to have competitive builds though, since the competition in DUST is almost non existent They reimbursed the skill points on the skills they changed and tree's they changed. This is history of CCP when chaging or playing with skills. for over a decade. Was much different. So when we have the infantry respec you won't be upset. Good to know Assault,Logi and Sentinel Suit sure? Modules that aren't being touched? no.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9782	Posted - 2014.01.08 16:41:00 - [52] - Quote Bethhy wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Bethhy wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Like I said, I don't care either way, I spent my SP with the expectation that CCP would screw up and not offer respecs when they change everything around. Thankfully, CCP has shown just recently that they have no issues giving respecs for big changes (1.7 vehicle respec) so it is safe to assume we will have an infantry respec soon. If we do, I'll go back to my roots as a scout. If we don't, I'll keep doing what I'm doing. I would love for more people to have competitive builds though, since the competition in DUST is almost non existent They reimbursed the skill points on the skills they changed and tree's they changed. This is history of CCP when chaging or playing with skills. for over a decade. Was much different. So when we have the infantry respec you won't be upset. Good to know Assault,Logi and Sentinel Suit sure? Modules that aren't being touched? no. Scouts are probably going to be touched on too, and it seems like cloaks might be coming sooner than expected. We also don't know if any new modules will be added, or if existing modules will be altered. I'm happy to agree to disagree, but my money is on a full dropsuit command and upgrades respec, if not weapons as well. Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 1532	Posted - 2014.01.08 16:42:00 - [53] - Quote RKKR wrote: CCP changing their game goes against your claim of "they [respecs] are contrary to the core tenet that your decisions matter". Who's stupid now? I dunno, people who don't read the whole post? (That's two) "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 646	Posted - 2014.01.08 17:00:00 - [54] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: RKKR wrote: CCP changing their game goes against your claim of "they [respecs] are contrary to the core tenet that your decisions matter". Who's stupid now? I dunno, people who don't read the whole post? (That's two) Yes, it's clear that you don't know, I could make an asshat post too that I made this post was a bait too but I won't. (I guess I read more than only the first paragraphs of your post, Yikes!) You still talk about a limited respec. Maybe some infantry oriented players want to focus on vehicles(because those skills were changed too you know) instead? Maybe I won't need some core skills if I decide on a different suit? Maybe they help everyone in the long run, not on the short run...especially not for the new players. Judging from your first sentence...I guess you are just butthurt about those old times when you got raped by caldari suits with flay locks.
T'orq DUST University Ivy League 97	Posted - 2014.01.08 17:05:00 - [55] - Quote I don't think there needs to be a full respec, for vehicle users already had a VEHICLE respec. I think all we need is an INFANTRY respec, this would include dropsuits, core upgrades, and weapons. Dropsuits- CCP is changing bonus' and releasing other racial heavy suits Core upgrades- you put sp into some things to complement the suit you use. Weapons- you don't have the weapons that will go with the suit you choose. Thanjac- Proud Member of Commando 6 Commando Lives
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 1532	Posted - 2014.01.08 17:27:00 - [56] - Quote RKKR wrote: Yes, it's clear that you don't know, I could make an asshat post too that I made this post was a bait too but I won't. (I guess I read more than only the first paragraphs of your post, Yikes!) You still talk about a limited respec. Maybe some infantry oriented players want to focus on vehicles(because those skills were changed too you know) instead? Maybe vehicle users want a infantry suit now...they didn't had the choice to make the decision for 'this' or 'that' suit before. Maybe I won't need some core skills if I decide on a different suit? Maybe they help everyone in the long run, not on the short run...especially not for the new players. ... Judging from your first sentence...I guess you are just butthurt about those old times when you got raped by caldari suits with flay locks. Good for you, maybe you did read the whole thing. I guess it might have been more clear had you said anything that would indicate that to be true. Either way, you're no fun. But, more to the point: - I tend to disagree with the all-too-frequent contention that respecs help new players the most, as opposed to people in, say, the 10-15 mil SP range (maybe up to 20). They get the most benefit. Noobs barely get enough back to matter, and people like my CEO with 30+ mil, quote "have proto crap I never even use, just because I can." (I realize that's not your real argument but I'm pointing it out) - I've already said here that I'm not totally against a full respec in this scenario. However, I make the argument that I don't necessarily see the point in refunding things like core skills, who doesn't need those? (e.g., the minnie logi example I gave Kain Spero on page 2.) But, whatever, if you guys want to go all nerd rage if you only get a dropsuit tree respec and not a full respec, it hardly matters to me. My whole point in the OP was that even a respec natzi like myself sees a clear rationale for one if 1.8/2.0 turns out like the wild speculation currently making it's way across the forums. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
Jacques Cayton II Providence Guard Templis CALSF 470	Posted - 2014.01.08 18:01:00 - [57] - Quote I've been here since closed beta and let me say I don't need a respec I have over 30 mil sp. But those lower tier guys need it to compete with guys like me who understand the skill books. You guys who say no respecs are screwing new guys I think after a certain point in time you get a respec if your new. Like a month then they can fix their already fudged up skill tree We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Lv2spd2 Slow And Old 153	Posted - 2014.01.08 18:10:00 - [58] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: The only people who should get a respec are Minmatar Logis...those guys, they got it bad. Oh, and anybody who went into any form of any heavy. Cal/Gal Logis don't deserve a respec. Minmatar logi here. I LOVE the rep tool boost. I see no other logi I would wish to be. If I was choosing a bonus to help my logi play style that would be the one. Hate to lose my hack speed, but whatever, and hate to lose the native reps, but ALL the logis lose that.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Intara Direct Action Caldari State 324	Posted - 2014.01.08 18:20:00 - [59] - Quote ScottyTheMatchMaking AI wrote: full respects are good they=more competition and competition is good, competition=war and war=$-ÑGé¼-ú, $-ÑGé¼-ú= CCP happy. Scotty ... ... now I can FINALLY kill you due to the fact that YOU screw up my games . I can't wait until I see you in a match !!!!! Future Caldari Heavy so watch out for this Sumo Shinobi with a Caldari HMG .
Bunny Demon Scions of Athra 56	Posted - 2014.01.08 18:32:00 - [60] - Quote For the core and weapons skill tree I think they should also be respeced if the suits are (weapons less so) because what you spec into heavily depends on play style Eg. Person A may want to skill into logis and will therefore need to spec into equipment and core skills more than weapons etc. Person B may want to move from logis to assaults and might then not need all those core skills for equipment etc. and might want them in weapons Just some examples but I hope you get my point :) Amarr logi ftw :D (Also...ScR is pretty good)



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