DUST Search - Respecs are STUPID

John Demonsbane wrote:

Put me firmly in the no respec crowd, can't even guess as to how many times I said on these forums, go shove your core flaylock up your cal logis a$$, you don't get a respec.

They hurt the game, they are contrary to the core tenet that your decisions matter, and the more they give them, the more people will start whining for them every patch. Don't even get me started on the idea of pay-to-win respecs, I might have a stroke.https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=121712&find=unread

But...

If 1.8 (or 2.0, might be more representative) actually does pull in all these new bonuses, and all the new suits, at least a dropsuit tree respec is in order. Full respec? I dunno, I mean I don't see why people need to make major changes to their core upgrades, those help everyone.

Why this and not a respec of weapons with the new sidearms and the recent 2 new rifles? Well, weapons are actually the least of all of the SP sinks in the game, I mean, everyone got the new rifles to proto in like a week. Takes a lot longer than that for a suit.

Choices do matter, but not if CCP forced you to make a false one because they released an incomplete game. If all I had right now was a minmatar heavy I would not be happy about it, I'd want to get that dirty duct tape covered women's self defense class target suit off me 5 minutes after the new one was released.

With all the suits out, it's almost like actually being out of beta. A fresh start for people using gear they were forced to use, not chose because it was OP, is quite fair.

TL;DR I hate respecs but with the massive dropsuit changes apparently coming out, it's time for at least a partial one. Discuss.

GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride."

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RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 649	Posted - 2014.01.08 18:34:00 - [61] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: you're no fun Who says I have to be fun? Quote: core skills, who doesn't need those? People that want to go the vehicle route, as I already stated. Quote: whatever Are you a girl? Quote: if you guys want to go all nerd rage Says the guy that wrote "go shove your core flaylock up your cal logis a$$, you don't get a respect." Quote: if you only get a dropsuit tree respec and not a full respec, it hardly matters to me. That's cute, you can have your own opinion, especially as a respect ****. My whole point was to make that obvious by just quoting one single phrase and that it's unnecessary to make any follow-ups concerning wether a respect should happen or not. Even hinting that a limited respect should be fine is contradicting that phrase.
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5454	Posted - 2014.01.08 18:38:00 - [62] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Put me firmly in the no respec crowd, can't even guess as to how many times I said on these forums, go shove your core flaylock up your cal logis a$$, you don't get a respec. They hurt the game, they are contrary to the core tenet that your decisions matter, and the more they give them, the more people, will start whining for them every patch. Don't even get me started on the idea of pay-to-win respecs, I might have a stroke. But... If 1.8 (or 2.0, might be more representative) actually does pull in all these new bonuses, and all the new suits, at least a dropsuit tree respec is in order. Full respec? I dunno, I mean I don't see why people need to make major changes to their core upgrades, those help everyone. Why this and not a respec of weapons with the new sidearms and the recent 2 new rifles? Well, weapons are actually the least of all of the SP sinks in the game, I mean, everyone got the new rifles to proto in like a week. Takes a lot longer than that for a suit. Choices do matter, but not if CCP forced you to make a false one because they released an incomplete game. If all I had right now was a minmatar heavy I would not be happy about it, I'd want to get that dirty duct tape covered women's self defense class target suit off me 5 minutes after the new one was released. With all the suits out, it's almost like actually being out of beta. A fresh start for people using gear they were forced to use, not chose because it was OP, is quite fair. They arent decisions if you only have 1 choice. AKA Heavy Suits, Initial Scout suitss, HAV, etc...... Never wanted to be Amarr Assault Always wanted to be Cal or Amarr Scout Now I wish Amarr HAV were in the game...I dont mind so much now since HAV skills are universal. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
Leonid Tybalt Dark Knightz Corp. 102	Posted - 2014.01.08 18:46:00 - [63] - Quote No, respecs makes sense in a game that is obviously far from finished. Your argument is downright re-tarded due to the fact that it basically requires players to have magical abilities in terms of reading the future and the minds of ccp devs. Respecs don't hurt the game. Releasing a game that isn't yet fully developed hurts the game. Respecs are a remedy to that problem. Anyone with half a brain can see that. -.-
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 750	Posted - 2014.01.08 19:53:00 - [64] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: No, respecs makes sense in a game that is obviously far from finished. Your argument is downright re-tarded due to the fact that it basically requires players to have magical abilities in terms of reading the future and the minds of ccp devs. Respecs don't hurt the game. Releasing a game that isn't yet fully developed hurts the game. Respecs are a remedy to that problem. Anyone with half a brain can see that. -.- Wonder how they did it in EVE. you know being in constant development for 11 years and changing things massively. without everything released, and or still released.
Leonid Tybalt Dark Knightz Corp. 106	Posted - 2014.01.08 21:22:00 - [65] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Leonid Tybalt wrote: No, respecs makes sense in a game that is obviously far from finished. Your argument is downright re-tarded due to the fact that it basically requires players to have magical abilities in terms of reading the future and the minds of ccp devs. Respecs don't hurt the game. Releasing a game that isn't yet fully developed hurts the game. Respecs are a remedy to that problem. Anyone with half a brain can see that. -.- Wonder how they did it in EVE. you know being in constant development for 11 years and changing things massively. without everything released, and or still released. Eve and Dust are not the same game. They don't even belong to the same genre. Comparisons are redundant and doesn't prove anything. Plus they have issued respecs in EVE. I've gotten skillpoints back several times when they changed something in regards to the skills. One example would be the attribute skills that ccp eventually removed and gave everyone back those skillpoints to spend on whatever we wanted. So yeah...
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 383	Posted - 2014.01.08 21:56:00 - [66] - Quote Bethhy wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Bethhy wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Bethhy wrote: Ever wonder why we had Cal Logi's everywhere.., Hint, it involved respec's. ;) We would have had them anyways, it just would have taken a little longer. That's a balance issue, not a respec issue. Yes because we are going to have a balanced patch release from CCP? You can spit hypothetical's all you want, 2 respec's in DUST, 2 massive issues for DUST. specially in NPE.. Even worse for balance. This is replicated in every MMO where respec's became suddenly available, or offered for a limited time. I don't care either way, respecs have happened a number of times in the past, and the trend will continue until all basic material is in the game, and likely afterwords in the form of paid SP buyback boosters. If CCP didn't want respecs in DUST, they wouldn't have tied SP with $$ Eve is more of a grind and the SP is tied into $$ just as much... guess what? no respecs for over a decade and counting. Feeling entitled to a respec because some things change on your suit is funny to most EVE players, who have had things change hundreds of times with no offer of a respec. People pretend like the SP they spent is never gonna be useful again, but they know they would rather just max out the skills around one premise again. and fix all the little skill mistakes they had. Against full respec. For reimbursal of the modified dropsuit SP, and a increased SP event. You cannot compare Dust 514 to EvE online. Made by the same people, but totally different games. And you most certainly can't go comparing the skills of EVE with the skills of Dust. And for me, nothing to do with entitlement. This isn't EVE where there are endless things to do. And endless ways to go about doing them. This IS a FPS. Once a year KEEPS PEOPLE INTERESTED. Everyone is so worried about content, RESPEC IS CONTENT. What is so wrong with that?? I mean I really don't get it. EVE fanboys keep comparing this to EVE, but WHY DO YOU THINK THERE IS A NEW FPS LIKE EVERY MONTH?????? Because that **** gets old and we want to do something different. Nuff Said
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 1541	Posted - 2014.01.09 03:53:00 - [67] - Quote Added a TL;dr to the OP to make my opinion more clear "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 754	Posted - 2014.01.09 04:58:00 - [68] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: Bethhy wrote: Leonid Tybalt wrote: No, respecs makes sense in a game that is obviously far from finished. Your argument is downright re-tarded due to the fact that it basically requires players to have magical abilities in terms of reading the future and the minds of ccp devs. Respecs don't hurt the game. Releasing a game that isn't yet fully developed hurts the game. Respecs are a remedy to that problem. Anyone with half a brain can see that. -.- Wonder how they did it in EVE. you know being in constant development for 11 years and changing things massively. without everything released, and or still released. Eve and Dust are not the same game. They don't even belong to the same genre. Comparisons are redundant and doesn't prove anything. Plus they have issued respecs in EVE. I've gotten skillpoints back several times when they changed something in regards to the skills. One example would be the attribute skills that ccp eventually removed and gave everyone back those skillpoints to spend on whatever we wanted. So yeah... They issued skill reimbursal's on tree's or skills they significantly changed. never a respec. Eve isnt the same, there you pay a monthly subscription and then spend sometimes half a year+ to get into something that gets nerfed/changed. And people take it on the chin voice their opinion and move on, not ask for a full respec(some exceptions) regardless EVE has a passive skill system unlike almost all MMO's ever, Dust has that same system, but also allows you to actively earn skill points. People just want everything now because they do, nothing more really to it.
Tectonic Fusion 948	Posted - 2014.01.09 05:47:00 - [69] - Quote What if you never got PROTOTYPE flaylock pistol and PROTOTYPE caldari logi? Hmm? What if CCP nerfed unnecessary things? Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 464	Posted - 2014.01.09 05:49:00 - [70] - Quote I'm guessing he's mad about something?

Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 477	Posted - 2014.01.09 05:57:00 - [71] - Quote Anyone that is absolutely against anything with no room for consideration to change are wrong. 1.8 promises to be a GIANT change in the game even more than 1.7 was. At least from what i am gathering from the speculation. I can also only imagine that most people hardset against respecs probably have 20+mill sp's because honestly at that point respecs wont mean a lot. To a player with only 6 mill it can mean a lot and allow them to really specialize into the role they find they like to play. I am of the mindset that partial repsecs should be automatic any time there are drastic changes even to just 1 piece of equipment.
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 1	Posted - 2014.01.09 05:59:00 - [72] - Quote I support respects only during broad sweeping changed such as this, and it should only be drop suits IMO, leave weapons out of it. All weapon respects will do at this point is have every one dumping points into rails and combat rifles, then crying for respecx when they get nerfed/changed/ something else gets buffed. Right now with all the new weapons respects should be held off on them till they are properly balanced and implemented, and out of rage I think not even then, but that's the rage talking. I just loathe to imagine the number of rail rifles on the field if a weapon respec is granted at this time. Heck I have seen plenty of people running proto suits with standard rail rifles instead of whatever they originally put sp into because their just that good right now. And all those people will be crying foranother respec when rails get nerfed/changed.... and the rage says to just let them have to deal with all the sp they dumped into it because they were purposely trying g to use an op weapon.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 1441	Posted - 2014.01.09 07:01:00 - [73] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Put me firmly in the no respec crowd, can't even guess as to how many times I said on these forums, go shove your core flaylock up your cal logis a$$, you don't get a respec. They hurt the game, they are contrary to the core tenet that your decisions matter, and the more they give them, the more people will start whining for them every patch. Don't even get me started on the idea of pay-to-win respecs, I might have a stroke.https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=121712&find=unread But... If 1.8 (or 2.0, might be more representative) actually does pull in all these new bonuses, and all the new suits, at least a dropsuit tree respec is in order. Full respec? I dunno, I mean I don't see why people need to make major changes to their core upgrades, those help everyone. Why this and not a respec of weapons with the new sidearms and the recent 2 new rifles? Well, weapons are actually the least of all of the SP sinks in the game, I mean, everyone got the new rifles to proto in like a week. Takes a lot longer than that for a suit. Choices do matter, but not if CCP forced you to make a false one because they released an incomplete game. If all I had right now was a minmatar heavy I would not be happy about it, I'd want to get that dirty duct tape covered women's self defense class target suit off me 5 minutes after the new one was released. With all the suits out, it's almost like actually being out of beta. A fresh start for people using gear they were forced to use, not chose because it was OP, is quite fair. TL;DR I hate respecs but with the massive dropsuit changes apparently coming out, it's time for at least a partial one. Discuss. I don't even bother with the respec junk anymore. Not worth my time anymore. GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride." Hunter S. Thompson
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 1441	Posted - 2014.01.09 07:03:00 - [74] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: What if you never got PROTOTYPE flaylock pistol and PROTOTYPE caldari logi? Hmm? What if CCP nerfed unnecessary things? Don't you mean tried to balance OP items? Because the Flaylock was totally perfect. GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride." Hunter S. Thompson
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1037	Posted - 2014.01.09 08:00:00 - [75] - Quote in development the definition of Beta Version is that all basic stuff is in and you can test it. Dust is according to that not even Beta every patch you get major core mechanics changes, decision to SP spend into something are made null and void by the devs. tell me again that respecs are stupid.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2816	Posted - 2014.01.09 08:44:00 - [76] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Put me firmly in the no respec crowd, can't even guess as to how many times I said on these forums, go shove your core flaylock up your cal logis a$$, you don't get a respec. They hurt the game, they are contrary to the core tenet that your decisions matter, and the more they give them, the more people will start whining for them every patch. Don't even get me started on the idea of pay-to-win respecs, I might have a stroke.https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=121712&find=unread But... If 1.8 (or 2.0, might be more representative) actually does pull in all these new bonuses, and all the new suits, at least a dropsuit tree respec is in order. Full respec? I dunno, I mean I don't see why people need to make major changes to their core upgrades, those help everyone. Why this and not a respec of weapons with the new sidearms and the recent 2 new rifles? Well, weapons are actually the least of all of the SP sinks in the game, I mean, everyone got the new rifles to proto in like a week. Takes a lot longer than that for a suit. Choices do matter, but not if CCP forced you to make a false one because they released an incomplete game. If all I had right now was a minmatar heavy I would not be happy about it, I'd want to get that dirty duct tape covered women's self defense class target suit off me 5 minutes after the new one was released. With all the suits out, it's almost like actually being out of beta. A fresh start for people using gear they were forced to use, not chose because it was OP, is quite fair. TL;DR I hate respecs but with the massive dropsuit changes apparently coming out, it's time for at least a partial one. Discuss. These changes aren't buffs or nerfs, they're complete reworks. The reasons people chose many of these suits may no longer exist. If anything these changes are more deserving of respec than the vehicle changes. Tanks are still tanks, and dropships are still dropships, but speed hackers won't exist anymore, or laser specialists, or those brave souls the sidearm gunslingers. These were viable, well balanced roles that weren't being used in an unintented or exploitative way. This isn't taking away power for the sake of game balance. This is taking away usefulness, for the sake of arbitrary games of snap. No.
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 653	Posted - 2014.01.09 09:09:00 - [77] - Quote How are we supposed to discuss anything if you're ignoring other arguments that partial respecs are as stupid as no respecs?
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 982	Posted - 2014.01.09 09:28:00 - [78] - Quote Agreed. The impatience of the people is mindboggling. It takes just few weeks to get some 600k SP, unboosted. Enough for weps, suits need a bit more. Boosters do speed up. GÇ£PATIENCE YOU MUST HAVE my young padawanGÇ¥ said someone you might know. Want to run proto from day one of new patch? Want a respec for new gear? Well save up some SP in advance. Even though there are sometimes a ton of new stuff put into game, most of time we are getting a very generous heads up on it. On general, the SP allocation really trims to worst out of FOTM. Tank spam getting onto your nerves? An improvement:
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 982	Posted - 2014.01.09 09:29:00 - [79] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: in development the definition of Beta Version is that all basic stuff is in and you can test it. Dust is according to that not even Beta every patch you get major core mechanics changes, decision to SP spend into something are made null and void by the devs. tell me again that respecs are stupid. Respecs are stupid. Play some more, then open what you want. Tank spam getting onto your nerves? An improvement:
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1037	Posted - 2014.01.09 10:42:00 - [80] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: Jack McReady wrote: in development the definition of Beta Version is that all basic stuff is in and you can test it. Dust is according to that not even Beta every patch you get major core mechanics changes, decision to SP spend into something are made null and void by the devs. tell me again that respecs are stupid. Respecs are stupid. Play some more, then open what you want. tunnelvision on a new level your credibility just went down the toilet. core mechanic changes have nothing to do with new content.

JONAHBENHUR home of the forgotten 27	Posted - 2014.01.09 11:37:00 - [81] - Quote full respec to everyone this is too big of a change for a lot of reasons none of the leaked bonuses jive with most peoples fits and they dont cruise the forums to check this kinda stuff
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 987	Posted - 2014.01.09 11:39:00 - [82] - Quote JONAHBENHUR wrote: full respec to everyone this is too big of a change for a lot of reasons none of the leaked bonuses jive with most peoples fits and they dont cruise the forums to check this kinda stuff Too bad, grow up.
Faquira Bleuetta 0uter.Heaven 144	Posted - 2014.01.09 12:10:00 - [83] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Put me firmly in the no respec crowd, can't even guess as to how many times I said on these forums, go shove your core flaylock up your cal logis a$$, you don't get a respec. They hurt the game, they are contrary to the core tenet that your decisions matter, and the more they give them, the more people will start whining for them every patch. Don't even get me started on the idea of pay-to-win respecs, I might have a stroke.https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=121712&find=unread But... If 1.8 (or 2.0, might be more representative) actually does pull in all these new bonuses, and all the new suits, at least a dropsuit tree respec is in order. Full respec? I dunno, I mean I don't see why people need to make major changes to their core upgrades, those help everyone. Why this and not a respec of weapons with the new sidearms and the recent 2 new rifles? Well, weapons are actually the least of all of the SP sinks in the game, I mean, everyone got the new rifles to proto in like a week. Takes a lot longer than that for a suit. Choices do matter, but not if CCP forced you to make a false one because they released an incomplete game. If all I had right now was a minmatar heavy I would not be happy about it, I'd want to get that dirty duct tape covered women's self defense class target suit off me 5 minutes after the new one was released. With all the suits out, it's almost like actually being out of beta. A fresh start for people using gear they were forced to use, not chose because it was OP, is quite fair. TL;DR I hate respecs but with the massive dropsuit changes apparently coming out, it's time for at least a partial one. Discuss. AND Who is stupidest with all the unbalancedness Overpowering and over nerfing 2Cand1P
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 1554	Posted - 2014.01.09 14:40:00 - [84] - Quote RKKR wrote: How are we supposed to discuss anything if you're ignoring other arguments that partial respecs are as stupid as no respecs? lolwut? You must be speaking about "arguments" someone else made, the few questions you posed I responded to to an extent. Otherwise I see nothing you've contributed but some half-assed attempts at insulting me. ("Are you a girl?" was my favorite, that's very clever) I'll try rephrasing it again one last time. I am making the argument that at least a partial respec is well in order considering all the information (much of it speculative, of course) we're seeing about what may be in 1.8. An argument could also be made for a full respec, but I don't think it's as clear-cut and may not be something CCP wants to do for a few reasons, these are some but not all of them: - No substantive weapon changes (that we know of) and the weapon tree is not nearly the SP sink as the others, which is why nobody seemed to care about overmuch about getting a respec for rifles in 1.7. - The vehicle tree just got redone and refunded 3 weeks ago. Core skills are a little more complicated. Yes, they are a big SP sink. But, with 3 exceptions (links, hives, reppers) every single one of them is valuable for virtually every class. - One argument I've heard is the much-discussed minnie logi bonus. People love their speedy hacker suits. "Oh noes now my hacking SP has been wasted". Why? How many of those people are going to take all their SP out of hacking and put it into rep tools? Not many, I'd wager. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9814	Posted - 2014.01.09 14:42:00 - [85] - Quote I like these threads because we always end up getting the respecs anyways Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
Nick Leback Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2014.01.09 17:50:00 - [86] - Quote Protocake JR wrote: You're an idiot. Your decisions do not matter in terms of gameplay (decisions really only matter in the meta game). "Your decisions matter" is a slogan CCP's marketing team came up with to make this lobby shooter look new, revolutionary and important. Your decisions matter in Dust about as much as you can "Have it your way" at Burger King. Your decisions do not matter when CCP can't figure out how to make their game. So they continue to make, remake, and remake yet again the same content over and over. They keep making these *facepalm* decisions that clearly indicate that they are out of touch with the current player base and the overall FPS player base. You honestly sound butthurt over anyone who specced into FOTM. You wanna know something? Whether we get, or don't get respecs, nothing is going to change people chasing the FOTM. I've had proto CR and RR with proficiency and sharpshooter for about a week or two already. No boosters. It's not that difficult. You wanting to deny people respecs is the equivalent of an Adult Tantrum . Saying "no more respecs" is synonymous with saying "I'm a giant tool. I think that this game should treat decisions like real life because I don't have any real responsibilities or decisions to make". Burger King.......Whopper......num num that's all I remeber reading.
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 653	Posted - 2014.01.09 18:14:00 - [87] - Quote Dear John, An insult is something like telling "if you guys want to go all nerd rage". ASKING something like "Are you a girl?" is just a question...you could have easily told me that you are not. I'm sorry I hurt your feelings, but feel free to point fingers for trying to insult someone . I see that you state that I'm referring to someone else's statements and yet you mention "I'll give you that one" later in your text. Actually what the hell does it matter if I refer to someone else or not? Nothing...so it's funny that you suddenly react to it, no? You can rephrase whatever you want, but that still doesn't make it logical to only give a partial respec instead of a full respec. If you have trouble understanding that, you should read some more respec-'whining' posts because some arguments explain it pretty well. but well let's cut all this bullshit and let me ask you this? Why are you against respecs? Because decisions matter? Some people based their decision on a specific suit/skill/bonus. Ever thought about that If those choices weren't there in the first place that people would have made other decisions? You might not be wrong that people would want those skills back, but maybe not in the same order, maybe they want to put it in other stuff first, maybe not at all? Changing stuff will steal their "decision" away...something you seem to be against, so why are you against respecs? If decision would really matter, then CCP would test things thoroughly first before implementing it (and stick with their decision to keep it like that), which they don't... I hope all you anti-respec guys finally understand that the decision thing is just a myth.
Denn Maell PIanet Express 42	Posted - 2014.01.09 18:19:00 - [88] - Quote I don't want a re-spec would probably not spend any of my SP differently anyhow. But unless certain skills are going to disappear completely from Dropsuits (like pretty much all role-specialties did from vehicles) and the entire tree is restructured, why would a full/partial respec-ing be justified? If they were to say offer a 100% SP refund in celebration of ver 2.0, that would be a good reason IMHO. My suit's specialty bonus has changed? Well lets go back to grinding.
Spartan MK420 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 55	Posted - 2014.01.09 18:21:00 - [89] - Quote respec please.
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 983	Posted - 2014.01.09 19:49:00 - [90] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: FOTM. KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: Jack McReady wrote: in development the definition of Beta Version is that all basic stuff is in and you can test it. Dust is according to that not even Beta every patch you get major core mechanics changes, decision to SP spend into something are made null and void by the devs. tell me again that respecs are stupid. Respecs are stupid. Play some more, then open what you want. tunnelvision on a new level your credibility just went down the toilet. core mechanic changes have nothing to do with new content and FOTM balance changes. comments like these atleast highlight the tunnelvisions scrubs of dust Tunnelvision? Though not quite sure what you mean by that - but hardly. All players should understand that in an online multiplayer game everything is subject to change - everything. They should see that in addition of game being expanded there's the meta in developers work trying to balance things. On balancing, if a person uses a (over)powerful feature of the game the chances are he has plenty of time to enjoy the benefits, while after a change of mechanics or direct nerf he in a way pays for it. But as the rate of patching in Dust isn't that great he probably has had plenty of time to earn his SP investment back several times. True, this is not the most new player friendly environment. Perhaps there's a need for improvement, but perhaps there's no solution to it. Respecs may be necessary in case of greater skill tree overhaul (like changing what opens what and removing skills altogether), but it doesn't change the fact that respecs are stupid and the need for them should be minimised. Tank spam getting onto your nerves? An improvement:



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