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xLuca Brasi Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 157	Posted - 2013.12.26 01:53:00 - [1] - Quote so I called and complained to sony for CCP's theft of my blueprints and they gave me a 10 dollar refund for 20k aur. I suggest to anyone else who wants their money instead of that worthless aur to call sony and let them know what pathetic gip bags ccp are and you want your money back... worked for me. SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
Kane Fyea Scions of Athra 2472	Posted - 2013.12.26 01:55:00 - [2] - Quote Haha stolen.
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 1617	Posted - 2013.12.26 01:56:00 - [3] - Quote i got such a big smile on my face when i read the subject of this thread, i knew i was in for a treat and i was not wrong. laughed pretty hard. Amarr! Try EVE Online Buying Deamon Shotgun
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2266	Posted - 2013.12.26 02:07:00 - [4] - Quote I'm suddenly in the mood to buy an extra 20K of Aurum. // Spike Lieutenant // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
fawkuima juggalo Eternal Beings 722	Posted - 2013.12.26 02:12:00 - [5] - Quote man.... seriously.... screw you. Thats great that you want to be all butt hurt for something that you agreed too but DO NOT go and ruin everyone else's time. It really does irk me that people like you think you're so damn justified, hurting other people to gain your own advantage is WRONG no matter how you slice it..... I honestly hope that a lawsuit gets filed against you for this, which is very possible. I love this game and if there is a bunch of legal crap ruining the development, then A LOT of other people are just as hurt........ LOL yea you got your 10$ back aw, some people have spent hundreds on this game and will spend more, they like this game they just want to play it. To see it be destroyed will hurt them more than it hurt the chump change you put in. Good day sir, i hope you get banned from this game and i never have to see your name in the forums again. ---OFFICIAL LOGISTICS REGISTRY BOARD/ H.O.F.----
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 3857	Posted - 2013.12.26 02:16:00 - [6] - Quote fawkuima juggalo wrote: man.... seriously.... screw you. Thats great that you want to be all butt hurt for something that you agreed too but DO NOT go and ruin everyone else's time. It really does irk me that people like you think you're so damn justified, hurting other people to gain your own advantage is WRONG no matter how you slice it..... I honestly hope that a lawsuit gets filed against you for this, which is very possible. I love this game and if there is a bunch of legal crap ruining the development, then A LOT of other people are just as hurt........ LOL yea you got your 10$ back aw, some people have spent hundreds on this game and will spend more, they like this game they just want to play it. To see it be destroyed will hurt them more than it hurt the chump change you put in. Good day sir, i hope you get banned from this game and i never have to see your name in the forums again. Fanboys are cute GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 3 \| Warframe is awesome! \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2736	Posted - 2013.12.26 02:23:00 - [7] - Quote fawkuima juggalo wrote: man.... seriously.... screw you. Thats great that you want to be all butt hurt for something that you agreed too but DO NOT go and ruin everyone else's time. It really does irk me that people like you think you're so damn justified, hurting other people to gain your own advantage is WRONG no matter how you slice it..... I honestly hope that a lawsuit gets filed against you for this, which is very possible. I love this game and if there is a bunch of legal crap ruining the development, then A LOT of other people are just as hurt........ LOL yea you got your 10$ back aw, some people have spent hundreds on this game and will spend more, they like this game they just want to play it. To see it be destroyed will hurt them more than it hurt the chump change you put in. Good day sir, i hope you get banned from this game and i never have to see your name in the forums again. The irony of of using the high road to defend shady business practices is lost on you I see. No.
xLuca Brasi Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 161	Posted - 2013.12.26 02:27:00 - [8] - Quote fawkuima juggalo wrote: man.... seriously.... screw you. Thats great that you want to be all butt hurt for something that you agreed too but DO NOT go and ruin everyone else's time. It really does irk me that people like you think you're so damn justified, hurting other people to gain your own advantage is WRONG no matter how you slice it..... I honestly hope that a lawsuit gets filed against you for this, which is very possible. I love this game and if there is a bunch of legal crap ruining the development, then A LOT of other people are just as hurt........ LOL yea you got your 10$ back aw, some people have spent hundreds on this game and will spend more, they like this game they just want to play it. To see it be destroyed will hurt them more than it hurt the chump change you put in. Good day sir, i hope you get banned from this game and i never have to see your name in the forums again. I did spend hundreds on this game you fool....or I guess im the fool for spending hundreds on this crap game... SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
ReGnYuM Imperfects 1598	Posted - 2013.12.26 02:32:00 - [9] - Quote At this point, I believe Sony just want distances itself as much as possible from this **** show of a game. Official Imperfect Title: Supreme Leader of the Endless Sunset To the Matari, I am the equivalent to the Boogie Man
Defy Gravity Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 163	Posted - 2013.12.26 02:34:00 - [10] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: so I called and complained to sony for CCP's theft of my blueprints and they gave me a 10 dollar refund for 20k aur. I suggest to anyone else who wants their money instead of that worthless aur to call sony and let them know what pathetic gip bags ccp are and you want your money back... worked for me. CCP is on there break... Your not gonna reach them no mater how hard you try.... Amarr FW Supporter. "I will melt you with my scrambler rifle Minmatar filth!"

xLuca Brasi Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 162	Posted - 2013.12.26 02:40:00 - [11] - Quote Defy Gravity wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: so I called and complained to sony for CCP's theft of my blueprints and they gave me a 10 dollar refund for 20k aur. I suggest to anyone else who wants their money instead of that worthless aur to call sony and let them know what pathetic gip bags ccp are and you want your money back... worked for me. CCP is on there break... Your not gonna reach them no mater how hard you try.... lol for a company on break they sure are locking a lot of threads tonite... and even responding to their usual puff threads... SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 315	Posted - 2013.12.26 02:53:00 - [12] - Quote So you should be good and able to quit now. I suppose you should stop posting on CCP forums as well. That'll show em! Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
xLuca Brasi Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 163	Posted - 2013.12.26 02:54:00 - [13] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: So you should be good and able to quit now. I suppose you should stop posting on CCP forums as well. That'll show em! no actually posting is what will show them.... the squeaky wheel gets the grease. SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
Vin Mora Sanguis Defense Syndicate 266	Posted - 2013.12.26 03:22:00 - [14] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: so I called and complained to sony for CCP's theft of my blueprints and they gave me a 10 dollar refund for 20k aur. I suggest to anyone else who wants their money instead of that worthless aur to call sony and let them know what pathetic gip bags ccp are and you want your money back... worked for me. I honestly hope that your account gets banned for this. But they stolen nothing from you, CCP refunded your BPO purchase(s) and you have the same exact value that you did BEFORE you purchased the BPO(s). You effectively stolen from CCP by having Sony refund you $10, which of course is going to be billed to CCP. Sanguis Defense Syndicate: Recruitment now open for players of all skill levels
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 64	Posted - 2013.12.26 03:28:00 - [15] - Quote pics or it didnt happen imagine the s#!t you can kill from a throne.... fu@#!n Rome.
xLuca Brasi Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 165	Posted - 2013.12.26 03:30:00 - [16] - Quote Vin Mora wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: so I called and complained to sony for CCP's theft of my blueprints and they gave me a 10 dollar refund for 20k aur. I suggest to anyone else who wants their money instead of that worthless aur to call sony and let them know what pathetic gip bags ccp are and you want your money back... worked for me. I honestly hope that your account gets banned for this. But they stolen nothing from you, CCP refunded your BPO purchase(s) and you have the same exact value that you did BEFORE you purchased the BPO(s). You effectively stolen from CCP by having Sony refund you $10, which of course is going to be billed to CCP. you and I differ in opinion on this. I don't think the aur is worth what it was and I think you know the argument behind that, but you chose to blind yourself to its logic so I wont bother repeating the rebuttal to your flimsy stance in this thread. but regardless of who is right, sony seems to agree with me, and that's all that really matters here isn't it? and if they continue to refund and (hopefully) bill ccp then you may have to find another game to blindly devout yourself to like some fundamentalist (insert religion here) and what really matters even more to me than who's right or whats gonna happen to dust is that I got what I wanted SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 3154	Posted - 2013.12.26 03:32:00 - [17] - Quote lololol, an other bpo refund thread. Should've read the terms and agreements before buying it Lack of content makes stuff broken... Tank driver // specialized tank destroyer
xLuca Brasi Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 165	Posted - 2013.12.26 03:33:00 - [18] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: pics or it didnt happen not only do I think that's not legal, but that would also require showing you a personal e mail with sensitive personal material...you'll just have to call them yourself and see what happens.... SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
xLuca Brasi Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 165	Posted - 2013.12.26 03:34:00 - [19] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: lololol, an other bpo refund thread. Should've read the terms and agreements before buying it lol... I got refunded.... did you read the OP..... moron SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 64	Posted - 2013.12.26 03:37:00 - [20] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: pics or it didnt happen not only do I think that's not legal, but that would also require showing you a personal e mail with sensitive personal material...you'll just have to call them yourself and see what happens.... cool post the contact info for sony imagine the s#!t you can kill from a throne.... fu@#!n Rome.

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6085	Posted - 2013.12.26 03:37:00 - [21] - Quote /popcorn Oh man, this is just gold. I'm laughing at the OP right now. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
TunRa Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 272	Posted - 2013.12.26 03:39:00 - [22] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: Flix Keptick wrote: lololol, an other bpo refund thread. Should've read the terms and agreements before buying it lol... I got refunded.... did you read the OP..... moron Remember kids everything you read on the internet IS true. Thanks CCP Foxfour
Princess Abi-Hime Pradox XVI 1042	Posted - 2013.12.26 03:40:00 - [23] - Quote stupid thread by a stupid person. /looks for other threads The Metalhead Mercenary
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6085	Posted - 2013.12.26 03:44:00 - [24] - Quote I'm curious. What exactly did you tell Sony? And I mean "verbatim". I want to understand the full context of how you approached Sony and somehow convinced them that CCP stole from you. And if you're any better than Yelsha "what's-his-name", you'll be able to answer my question. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
Vin Mora Sanguis Defense Syndicate 266	Posted - 2013.12.26 03:50:00 - [25] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: Vin Mora wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: so I called and complained to sony for CCP's theft of my blueprints and they gave me a 10 dollar refund for 20k aur. I suggest to anyone else who wants their money instead of that worthless aur to call sony and let them know what pathetic gip bags ccp are and you want your money back... worked for me. I honestly hope that your account gets banned for this. But they stolen nothing from you, CCP refunded your BPO purchase(s) and you have the same exact value that you did BEFORE you purchased the BPO(s). You effectively stolen from CCP by having Sony refund you $10, which of course is going to be billed to CCP. you and I differ in opinion on this. I don't think the aur is worth what it was and I think you know the argument behind that, but you chose to blind yourself to its logic so I wont bother repeating the rebuttal to your flimsy stance in this thread. but regardless of who is right, sony seems to agree with me, and that's all that really matters here isn't it? and if they continue to refund and (hopefully) bill ccp then you may have to find another game to blindly devout yourself to like some fundamentalist (insert religion here) and what really matters even more to me than who's right or whats gonna happen to dust is that I got what I wanted Its funny that you make all of these incorrect assumptions about me. But whatever you got your way and that is all that apparently matters here. My personal investment in Dust lasts until Destiny comes out, after that if the game isn't a better shape, I'll stop playing for a while, if not for good. Sanguis Defense Syndicate: Recruitment now open for players of all skill levels
xLuca Brasi Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 165	Posted - 2013.12.26 03:50:00 - [26] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: pics or it didnt happen not only do I think that's not legal, but that would also require showing you a personal e mail with sensitive personal material...you'll just have to call them yourself and see what happens.... cool post the contact info for sony Hi (name deleted) Thank you for your recent call to Sony Computer Entertainment America (SCEA) Consumer Services. We have reviewed your case and as a one time gesture of goodwill, your PSN Wallet / credit card has been refunded in the amount of: $9.99. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact a PlayStation specialist at 1(800) 345-7669. Our specialists are available 7 days a week from 6:00 am to 10:00 pm Pacific. that's the jist of it and thats who you contact. SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
xLuca Brasi Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 165	Posted - 2013.12.26 03:57:00 - [27] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: I'm curious. What exactly did you tell Sony? And I mean "verbatim". I want to understand the full context of how you approached Sony and somehow convinced them that CCP stole from you. And if you're any better than Yelsha "what's-his-name", you'll be able to answer my question. I explained the blue print system, how everything else is consumable, including all other items bought with aurum which can only be purchased with real money, how blueprints are no longer available, how we were promised our bpo's would not be touched, all of the unfolding history after that, and how the community's confidence in the worth of aurum is gone which , like any other currency de values it, how bpo's are no longer available, making yet again that currency worth less since the same standard of item is no longer available, and how they have even done this type of thing to their consumable aur items (contact nades) in the past.... that's as close to verbatim as you gonna get form me... they issued the credit, took 7 days or so to investigate it and I got an email, part of which I posted above.... and I can confirm the money is on my account at this moment. SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6085	Posted - 2013.12.26 03:57:00 - [28] - Quote edit: nevermind OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
Ryder Azorria Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 758	Posted - 2013.12.26 03:58:00 - [29] - Quote What the hell is wrong with you? You do realise this just makes you look like a petulant man-child right? The BPOs were not stolen, there is literally no other way to look at it - any claims to the contrary are either lies or just stupid. Plus y'know, the EULA, also known as the legally binding contract you signed - I suggest you read it next time. Angry rant over, hardly a literary masterpiece as it's around 3am for me right now - In conclusion, regardless of whether the claims in the OP are even true, go f**k yourself OP - you miserable, overly entitled, petty bastard.
xLuca Brasi Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 165	Posted - 2013.12.26 03:59:00 - [30] - Quote Ryder Azorria wrote: What the hell is wrong with you? You do realise this just makes you look like a petulant man-child right? The BPOs were not stolen, there is literally no other way to look at it - any claims to the contrary are either lies or just stupid. Plus y'know, the EULA, also known as the legally binding contract you signed - I suggest you read it next time. Angry rant over, hardly a literary masterpiece as it's around 3am for me right now - In conclusion, regardless of whether the claims in the OP are even true, go fk yourself OP - you miserable, overly entitled, petty bastard. /bow SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!**

Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 3157	Posted - 2013.12.26 03:59:00 - [31] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: Flix Keptick wrote: lololol, an other bpo refund thread. Should've read the terms and agreements before buying it lol... I got refunded.... did you read the OP..... moron Sorry, I didn't bother reading because of your stupid title... Lack of content makes stuff broken... Tank driver // specialized tank destroyer
xLuca Brasi Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 165	Posted - 2013.12.26 04:00:00 - [32] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: Flix Keptick wrote: lololol, an other bpo refund thread. Should've read the terms and agreements before buying it lol... I got refunded.... did you read the OP..... moron Sorry, I didn't bother reading because of your stupid title... apology accepted. SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6085	Posted - 2013.12.26 04:01:00 - [33] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: I'm curious. What exactly did you tell Sony? And I mean "verbatim". I want to understand the full context of how you approached Sony and somehow convinced them that CCP stole from you. And if you're any better than Yelsha "what's-his-name", you'll be able to answer my question. I explained the blue print system, how everything else is consumable, including all other items bought with aurum which can only be purchased with real money, how blueprints are no longer available, how we were promised our bpo's would not be touched, all of the unfolding history after that, and how the community's confidence in the worth of aurum is gone which , like any other currency de values it, how bpo's are no longer available, making yet again that currency worth less since the same standard of item is no longer available, and how they have even done this type of thing to their consumable aur items (contact nades) in the past.... that's as close to verbatim as you gonna get form me... they issued the credit, took 7 days or so to investigate it and I got an email, part of which I posted above.... and I can confirm the money is on my account at this moment. Hmm... interesting. Looks like you did this the easy way and actually answered my question. Now compare yourself to Yelsha who has yet to answer my question about his own case. What's funny here is that all you did was make a simple phone call to Sony to get your $10. But Yelsha for some reason decided to go take this to some British civil court which doesn't cost him anything but obviously cost quite a bit of taxpayer money. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
xLuca Brasi Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 165	Posted - 2013.12.26 04:09:00 - [34] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: I'm curious. What exactly did you tell Sony? And I mean "verbatim". I want to understand the full context of how you approached Sony and somehow convinced them that CCP stole from you. And if you're any better than Yelsha "what's-his-name", you'll be able to answer my question. I explained the blue print system, how everything else is consumable, including all other items bought with aurum which can only be purchased with real money, how blueprints are no longer available, how we were promised our bpo's would not be touched, all of the unfolding history after that, and how the community's confidence in the worth of aurum is gone which , like any other currency de values it, how bpo's are no longer available, making yet again that currency worth less since the same standard of item is no longer available, and how they have even done this type of thing to their consumable aur items (contact nades) in the past.... that's as close to verbatim as you gonna get form me... they issued the credit, took 7 days or so to investigate it and I got an email, part of which I posted above.... and I can confirm the money is on my account at this moment. Hmm... interesting. Looks like you did this the easy way and actually answered my question. Now compare yourself to Yelsha who has yet to answer my question about his own case. What's funny here is that all you did was make a simple phone call to Sony to get your $10. But Yelsha for some reason decided to go take this to some British civil court which doesn't cost him anything but obviously cost quite a bit of taxpayer money. I doubt the validity of yelsha but I wont bash him since he is on my side of the fence in this battle... I actually called them 10 days before the patch and had a ticket opened. then shortly after the patch (a few days) I called them back, gave the ticket number and spent about 30 min explaining this and answering questions. one question the operator asked me was, comparing this to diablo, since he doesn't play dust, if aur was like the use of gold vs the real money market or some such ( I didn't play diablo on PC so I don't know the finer points of it) but the meat of his question was can I get aur just by playing or is it exclusively a real money transaction. I informed him it was the latter, I also made it clear that the bpo's in question were NOT part of a package that they could only be bought on the in game dust market but only by using aur that must be purchased through psn, and that I specifically bought the aur for bpo's so an aur refund was no good since I could no longer get a bpo with aur. I refered to it as a bait and switch tactic. SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6085	Posted - 2013.12.26 04:16:00 - [35] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: I informed him it was the latter, I also made it clear that the bpo's in question were NOT part of a package that they could only be bought on the in game dust market but only by using aur that must be purchased through psn, and that I specifically bought the aur for bpo's so an aur refund was no good since I could no longer get a bpo with aur. I refered to it as a bait and switch tactic. Hmm. I see. But technically there are still other options available such as consumable gear and boosters that you can still use the refunded AUR on. So really the AUR is not entirely worthless. Also, does this mean that $10 worth of AUR was removed from your account since now you got $10 worth of PSN Store Credit given to you? I mean, that can only be fair since you see that AUR is useless to you. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 2220	Posted - 2013.12.26 04:21:00 - [36] - Quote I support BPO removal they are on the border of P2W GÇƒIf you try to fail at something and fail is it a fail or a success?" -Draxus Prime Closed Beta/EVE/MAG Vet Minja/Logi
xLuca Brasi Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 166	Posted - 2013.12.26 04:22:00 - [37] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: I informed him it was the latter, I also made it clear that the bpo's in question were NOT part of a package that they could only be bought on the in game dust market but only by using aur that must be purchased through psn, and that I specifically bought the aur for bpo's so an aur refund was no good since I could no longer get a bpo with aur. I refered to it as a bait and switch tactic. Hmm. I see. But technically there are still other options available such as consumable gear and boosters that you can still use the refunded AUR on. So really the AUR is not entirely worthless. Also, does this mean that $10 worth of AUR was removed from your account since now you got $10 worth of PSN Store Credit given to you? I mean, that can only be fair since you see that AUR is useless to you. I just logged in for the first time in about a week to check.... its still there.... guess it was just a courtesy on sony's side? just shows what trash ccp is imo, sony just earned a lot of respect from me.... SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6085	Posted - 2013.12.26 04:25:00 - [38] - Quote Draxus Prime wrote: I support BPO removal they are on the border of P2W For the record, only FOUR specific BPOs were removed. The rest are staying. Besides, it will be a technical headache for CCP to do otherwise with the others since some of the BPOs were purchased directly with cash such as the 'Templar' suits and others like the 'Toxin' AR and SMG, etc. Remember the closed-beta merc packs? Also, they were not really borderline P2W. They were just a risk to the stability of the future economy. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6085	Posted - 2013.12.26 04:26:00 - [39] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: I informed him it was the latter, I also made it clear that the bpo's in question were NOT part of a package that they could only be bought on the in game dust market but only by using aur that must be purchased through psn, and that I specifically bought the aur for bpo's so an aur refund was no good since I could no longer get a bpo with aur. I refered to it as a bait and switch tactic. Hmm. I see. But technically there are still other options available such as consumable gear and boosters that you can still use the refunded AUR on. So really the AUR is not entirely worthless. Also, does this mean that $10 worth of AUR was removed from your account since now you got $10 worth of PSN Store Credit given to you? I mean, that can only be fair since you see that AUR is useless to you. I just logged in for the first time in about a week to check.... its still there.... guess it was just a courtesy on sony's side? just shows what trash ccp is imo, sony just earned a lot of respect from me.... I wouldn't jump to that conclusion just yet. CCP does have access to that AUR of yours. It could be that they were nice enough to let you keep it despite the fact that you got your PSN store credit from Sony. Who knows? OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4257	Posted - 2013.12.26 04:32:00 - [40] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: so I called and complained to sony for CCP's theft of my blueprints and they gave me a 10 dollar refund for 20k aur. I suggest to anyone else who wants their money instead of that worthless aur to call sony and let them know what pathetic gip bags ccp are and you want your money back... worked for me. edit: slightly changed title so idiots who don't read the thread and just think its a QQ thread wont bother posting an irrelevant response. You are a trashheap, and I'd dislike you if I wasn't so busy laughing at you. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector

FAKIR REDETTa 0uter.Heaven 51	Posted - 2013.12.26 04:38:00 - [41] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: Fanboys are cute
xLuca Brasi Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 171	Posted - 2013.12.26 04:46:00 - [42] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: I informed him it was the latter, I also made it clear that the bpo's in question were NOT part of a package that they could only be bought on the in game dust market but only by using aur that must be purchased through psn, and that I specifically bought the aur for bpo's so an aur refund was no good since I could no longer get a bpo with aur. I refered to it as a bait and switch tactic. Hmm. I see. But technically there are still other options available such as consumable gear and boosters that you can still use the refunded AUR on. So really the AUR is not entirely worthless. Also, does this mean that $10 worth of AUR was removed from your account since now you got $10 worth of PSN Store Credit given to you? I mean, that can only be fair since you see that AUR is useless to you. I just logged in for the first time in about a week to check.... its still there.... guess it was just a courtesy on sony's side? just shows what trash ccp is imo, sony just earned a lot of respect from me.... I wouldn't jump to that conclusion just yet. CCP does have access to that AUR of yours. It could be that they were nice enough to let you keep it despite the fact that you got your PSN store credit from Sony. Who knows? well judging by their interactions with the community so far and the fact my main has been banned 2x now for BS, I doubt it. no im sure ccp had nothing to do with this, I am surprised I still have my aur, little good it is anyway since I wont be playing... SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
xLuca Brasi Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 174	Posted - 2013.12.26 04:52:00 - [43] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: so I called and complained to sony for CCP's theft of my blueprints and they gave me a 10 dollar refund for 20k aur. I suggest to anyone else who wants their money instead of that worthless aur to call sony and let them know what pathetic gip bags ccp are and you want your money back... worked for me. edit: slightly changed title so idiots who don't read the thread and just think its a QQ thread wont bother posting an irrelevant response. You are a trashheap, and I'd dislike you if I wasn't so busy laughing at you. so... does that mean we are still friends? SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6087	Posted - 2013.12.26 06:10:00 - [44] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: no im sure ccp had nothing to do with this, I am surprised I still have my aur, little good it is anyway since I wont be playing... Regardless, you now have two options. Either... A) Delete your account and never play this game again. or B) Just leave your character in cold storage slowly accumulating SP passively and come back a few years from now to see how much Dust has improved. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2737	Posted - 2013.12.26 13:10:00 - [45] - Quote Vin Mora wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: so I called and complained to sony for CCP's theft of my blueprints and they gave me a 10 dollar refund for 20k aur. I suggest to anyone else who wants their money instead of that worthless aur to call sony and let them know what pathetic gip bags ccp are and you want your money back... worked for me. I honestly hope that your account gets banned for this. But they stolen nothing from you, CCP refunded your BPO purchase(s) and you have the same exact value that you did BEFORE you purchased the BPO(s). You effectively stolen from CCP by having Sony refund you $10, which of course is going to be billed to CCP. It's not the exact same value if the currency has no guarantee on any of its purchases, and can no longer purchase the items it was originally intended to. No.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2737	Posted - 2013.12.26 13:14:00 - [46] - Quote Ryder Azorria wrote: What the hell is wrong with you? You do realise this just makes you look like a petulant man-child right? The BPOs were not stolen, there is literally no other way to look at it - any claims to the contrary are either lies or just stupid. Plus y'know, the EULA, also known as the legally binding contract you signed - I suggest you read it next time. Angry rant over, hardly a literary masterpiece as it's around 3am for me right now. EDIT: How much AUR did you even pay for the BPOs in the first place? Cause if you got them back in the beta days when they were 30 - 40 AUR each - you're the only thief here, plain and simple. EDIT2: Toned down a bit 'cause forum bans are annoying. If LG came into my house, took my TV, and then gave me store credit for an LG store that no longer sells TVs, I'd call that theft. No.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2737	Posted - 2013.12.26 13:17:00 - [47] - Quote Draxus Prime wrote: I support BPO removal they are on the border of P2W I make something like an extra 5% more cash because of the BPOs I run. If that's P2W, those FW boosters are a far greater concern, and PC's profitability is game-breaking. No.
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 1042	Posted - 2013.12.26 13:33:00 - [48] - Quote Good job standing your ground. I'm glad Sony had a hand in fixing this. They have always been a decent company. CCP could have taken care of it. We had a guy who mistakenly bought the $100 crap pack instead of the dren pack. Sony had to step in there too. You can't make a company be honest. It seems Sony is just cleaning up after CCP. One of the reasons they will always have my business. There was a time we fought good tankers. Now we just fight good tanks.
CrotchGrab 360 1157	Posted - 2013.12.26 13:41:00 - [49] - Quote Absolute douche I don't think the Sony rep looked into the EULA or the TOS very far to see that you were in the wrong. I'm sure that somewhere in the EULA (which you agreed to) CCP reserve the right to change anything at any time and that they (and not you) own the AUR. I hope they find a clause in the paperwork and counter-claim and sue you for being a baby. After all $10 is such a great amount of money right? They would be doing it on principle, which you think you're doing, but you're not. CCP really need to bring out a new EULA, stating "ALL SALES ARE FINAL, NO REFUNDS". That's what I would do to keep snakes like you away.
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 1042	Posted - 2013.12.26 13:48:00 - [50] - Quote Or they could make quality products that do not change. here's something else. Free lavs. We used to get them for free. Everyone was used to having one. They then took them away and charged $100 for them. We all ate it up. No one cared. This practice is known as a taste in the drug community its how kids get hooked. There was a time we fought good tankers. Now we just fight good tanks.

Ryder Azorria Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 762	Posted - 2013.12.26 14:22:00 - [51] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Ryder Azorria wrote: What the hell is wrong with you? You do realise this just makes you look like a petulant man-child right? The BPOs were not stolen, there is literally no other way to look at it - any claims to the contrary are either lies or just stupid. Plus y'know, the EULA, also known as the legally binding contract you signed - I suggest you read it next time. Angry rant over, hardly a literary masterpiece as it's around 3am for me right now. EDIT: How much AUR did you even pay for the BPOs in the first place? Cause if you got them back in the beta days when they were 30 - 40 AUR each - you're the only thief here, plain and simple. EDIT2: Toned down a bit 'cause forum bans are annoying. If LG came into my house, took my TV, and then gave me store credit for an LG store that no longer sells TVs, I'd call that theft. Yep, shame that scenario has nothing to do with what actually happened. Going with your analogy - the LG store still sells TVs, just different models. In many cases LG gave people more store credit than they spent to begin with, and while TVs cost more, other things like phones don't. Finally, it's not like LG took a functional TV from you, they replaced took an out of date model that didn't work anymore. All in all, that sounds like pretty good service - not theft.
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 1042	Posted - 2013.12.26 14:29:00 - [52] - Quote Ryder Azorria wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Ryder Azorria wrote: What the hell is wrong with you? You do realise this just makes you look like a petulant man-child right? The BPOs were not stolen, there is literally no other way to look at it - any claims to the contrary are either lies or just stupid. Plus y'know, the EULA, also known as the legally binding contract you signed - I suggest you read it next time. Angry rant over, hardly a literary masterpiece as it's around 3am for me right now. EDIT: How much AUR did you even pay for the BPOs in the first place? Cause if you got them back in the beta days when they were 30 - 40 AUR each - you're the only thief here, plain and simple. EDIT2: Toned down a bit 'cause forum bans are annoying. If LG came into my house, took my TV, and then gave me store credit for an LG store that no longer sells TVs, I'd call that theft. Yep, shame that scenario has nothing to do with what actually happened. Going with your analogy - the LG store still sells TVs, just different models. In many cases LG gave people more store credit than they spent to begin with, and while TVs cost more, other things like phones don't. Finally, it's not like LG took a functional TV from you, they replaced took an out of date model that didn't work anymore. All in all, that sounds like pretty good service - not theft. taking real money and refunding in game money while the client had no clue this would happen. Most of us are just used to getting screwed by ccp. If Sony steps in and takes care of their clients more power to them. It seems to me the eulas were changed also. I remember having to re agree to access my account and things I had previously purchased. There was a time we fought good tankers. Now we just fight good tanks.
Ryder Azorria Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 762	Posted - 2013.12.26 14:30:00 - [53] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: Or they could make quality products that do not change. here's something else. Free lavs. We used to get them for free. Everyone was used to having one. They then took them away and charged $100 for them. We all ate it up. No one cared. This practice is known as a taste in the drug community its how kids get hooked. That's the nature of online games, things change - the free LAV thing was changed to help stop the murder taxi thing, and it's not like they're expensive. Also, that $100 thing BS - there are no discrete LAV BPOs, and the ones that cane with the old Veteran and Elite packs included rather a lot of other things, including many other BPOs.
Piraten Hovnoret No Tax Scrubs 150	Posted - 2013.12.26 14:38:00 - [54] - Quote Well I buy somthing for real money then that item is mine. If a producer want to recall it due to whatever the producer can't give me somthing else insted. Simple put If I buy apples and they are rutten I should get A ; new apples B ; money back Not pears insted On a others matter CCP had a sale of bpo just before removing them from the game. Then they took away the bpo and gave you aur insted. I don't know the leagal tearm in English but it's actually somthing you can take to curt in most countries regardless of the disclaimer you sighn before starting the game. Then again who drags some one to court over 10 dollars that's wy they get away with it. Regards
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 1042	Posted - 2013.12.26 14:39:00 - [55] - Quote Ryder Azorria wrote: Darken-Sol wrote: Or they could make quality products that do not change. here's something else. Free lavs. We used to get them for free. Everyone was used to having one. They then took them away and charged $100 for them. We all ate it up. No one cared. This practice is known as a taste in the drug community its how kids get hooked. That's the nature of online games, things change - the free LAV thing was changed to help stop the murder taxi thing, and it's not like they're expensive. Also, that $100 thing BS - there are no discrete LAV BPOs, and the ones that cane with the old Veteran and Elite packs included rather a lot of other things, including many other BPOs. they did come with other things. All standard except scrambler pistol. When I bought it I got an AR to match the other five I had. A scout suit I already had. Assault suit which I had. I bought it for the lav, pistol(got took), and a heavy bpo. There was a time we fought good tankers. Now we just fight good tanks.
Ryder Azorria Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 762	Posted - 2013.12.26 14:42:00 - [56] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: Ryder Azorria wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Ryder Azorria wrote: What the hell is wrong with you? You do realise this just makes you look like a petulant man-child right? The BPOs were not stolen, there is literally no other way to look at it - any claims to the contrary are either lies or just stupid. Plus y'know, the EULA, also known as the legally binding contract you signed - I suggest you read it next time. Angry rant over, hardly a literary masterpiece as it's around 3am for me right now. EDIT: How much AUR did you even pay for the BPOs in the first place? Cause if you got them back in the beta days when they were 30 - 40 AUR each - you're the only thief here, plain and simple. EDIT2: Toned down a bit 'cause forum bans are annoying. If LG came into my house, took my TV, and then gave me store credit for an LG store that no longer sells TVs, I'd call that theft. Yep, shame that scenario has nothing to do with what actually happened. Going with your analogy - the LG store still sells TVs, just different models. In many cases LG gave people more store credit than they spent to begin with, and while TVs cost more, other things like phones don't. Finally, it's not like LG took a functional TV from you, they replaced took an out of date model that didn't work anymore. All in all, that sounds like pretty good service - not theft. taking real money and refunding in game money while the client had no clue this would happen. Most of us are just used to getting screwed by ccp. If Sony steps in and takes care of their clients more power to them. It seems to me the eulas were changed also. I remember having to re agree to access my account and things I had previously purchased. Thing is, you didn't pay real money, you used in game money so that's what you got back. Yes you bought that in game money with the real stuff - but you could have used the AUR to buy anything, and you can us the refunded AUR to buy anything still actually in the game.
Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries 503	Posted - 2013.12.26 14:45:00 - [57] - Quote Why don't you just leave? All you do is complain and ***** and generally be a self entitled ass. Why are you still here? Do you even play anymore? Seriously just gtfo nobody wants you around new eden.
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 1043	Posted - 2013.12.26 15:08:00 - [58] - Quote Ryder Azorria wrote: Darken-Sol wrote: Ryder Azorria wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Ryder Azorria wrote: What the hell is wrong with you? You do realise this just makes you look like a petulant man-child right? The BPOs were not stolen, there is literally no other way to look at it - any claims to the contrary are either lies or just stupid. Plus y'know, the EULA, also known as the legally binding contract you signed - I suggest you read it next time. Angry rant over, hardly a literary masterpiece as it's around 3am for me right now. EDIT: How much AUR did you even pay for the BPOs in the first place? Cause if you got them back in the beta days when they were 30 - 40 AUR each - you're the only thief here, plain and simple. EDIT2: Toned down a bit 'cause forum bans are annoying. If LG came into my house, took my TV, and then gave me store credit for an LG store that no longer sells TVs, I'd call that theft. Yep, shame that scenario has nothing to do with what actually happened. Going with your analogy - the LG store still sells TVs, just different models. In many cases LG gave people more store credit than they spent to begin with, and while TVs cost more, other things like phones don't. Finally, it's not like LG took a functional TV from you, they replaced took an out of date model that didn't work anymore. All in all, that sounds like pretty good service - not theft. taking real money and refunding in game money while the client had no clue this would happen. Most of us are just used to getting screwed by ccp. If Sony steps in and takes care of their clients more power to them. It seems to me the eulas were changed also. I remember having to re agree to access my account and things I had previously purchased. Thing is, you didn't pay real money, you used in game money so that's what you got back. Yes you bought that in game money with the real stuff - but you could have used the AUR to buy anything, and you can us the refunded AUR to buy anything still actually in the game. this would be a decent argument if there was another way to purchase things. If I wanted a sever suit there was no way to buy one. I had to purchase aurum then buy it. The reason I spent real money was the sever suit. Did I get real money back when they made it a racial suit. No. I got aurum. So me as a consumer had to buy a $100 pack if I wanted a bpo logistics suit I could use. Are you sensing a theme. They just keep reselling the same old garbage. And people like you allow it to happen. Me too I guess. There was a time we fought good tankers. Now we just fight good tanks.
Piraten Hovnoret No Tax Scrubs 150	Posted - 2013.12.26 15:10:00 - [59] - Quote CrotchGrab 360 wrote: Absolute douche I don't think the Sony rep looked into the EULA or the TOS very far to see that you were in the wrong. I'm sure that somewhere in the EULA (which you agreed to) CCP reserve the right to change anything at any time and that they (and not you) own the AUR. I hope they find a clause in the paperwork and counter-claim and sue you for being a baby. After all $10 is such a great amount of money right? They would be doing it on principle, which you think you're doing, but you're not. CCP really need to bring out a new EULA, stating "ALL SALES ARE FINAL, NO REFUNDS". That's what I would do to keep snakes like you away. Sorry missed this one You know that even if you agree on something like the EULA the content of the EULA can be against consumer laws. The EULA is nothing more then then companies vui of the consumer laws. In Sweden we had a guy take a gaming developer to court over something just like this. And guess what he won, even tho the company claimed the al mighty EULA. The court simply said that even if there is a EULA parts of that was against Swedish consumer law then it becomes mute even if you agree on it or not. So he won got a hell of a lot more in his walet than he original asked for plus the couple of Millions in courts/lawyer costs was al put on the company tab =ƒÿé Simply put If you and me sign a contract where you want me to kill you And I do it, I will still get life sense it's against the law regardless.

ChribbaX Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions 876	Posted - 2013.12.26 15:49:00 - [60] - Quote My first thought just is that the EULA pretty much says we don't own anything and CCP can remove/change/adjust anything as they please and as such I would never spend more real money than I am ok with CCP "taking" from me. /c DUSTBoard - Mercenary sheets DUSTSearch - DUST Forum mirror


Midas Fool Black Phoenix Mercenaries 280	Posted - 2013.12.26 15:52:00 - [61] - Quote Gee, well, that sucks. Sigh...people nowadays...in general, really... Congrats, I guess. A triumphant personal victory. Hopefully it doesn't come at our expense. I think I speak for (the majority of) the community when I say you are no longer welcome as part of it. Please attempt to muster a little bit of respect for us and kindly leave. You will be replaced. You will not be missed. Thank you for playing Eve - Dust 514. I hope we never see you again. +25 Kill Assist...+25 Kill Assist...+25 Kill Assist...NO HOW WHY
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 1044	Posted - 2013.12.26 15:54:00 - [62] - Quote ChribbaX wrote: My first thought just is that the EULA pretty much says we don't own anything and CCP can remove/change/adjust anything as they please and as such I would never spend more real money than I am ok with CCP "taking" from me. /c CCP has gotten all the money they are going to get from me. There will always be people who don't know any better, so they will still make money. There was a time we fought good tankers. Now we just fight good tanks.

ChribbaX Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions 877	Posted - 2013.12.26 16:02:00 - [63] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: ChribbaX wrote: My first thought just is that the EULA pretty much says we don't own anything and CCP can remove/change/adjust anything as they please and as such I would never spend more real money than I am ok with CCP "taking" from me. /c CCP has gotten all the money they are going to get from me. There will always be people who don't know any better, so they will still make money. And you should probably be thankful that people do give them money, else this game would not continue to be here. /c DUSTBoard - Mercenary sheets DUSTSearch - DUST Forum mirror

Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2743	Posted - 2013.12.26 16:30:00 - [64] - Quote Ryder Azorria wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Ryder Azorria wrote: What the hell is wrong with you? You do realise this just makes you look like a petulant man-child right? The BPOs were not stolen, there is literally no other way to look at it - any claims to the contrary are either lies or just stupid. Plus y'know, the EULA, also known as the legally binding contract you signed - I suggest you read it next time. Angry rant over, hardly a literary masterpiece as it's around 3am for me right now. EDIT: How much AUR did you even pay for the BPOs in the first place? Cause if you got them back in the beta days when they were 30 - 40 AUR each - you're the only thief here, plain and simple. EDIT2: Toned down a bit 'cause forum bans are annoying. If LG came into my house, took my TV, and then gave me store credit for an LG store that no longer sells TVs, I'd call that theft. Yep, shame that scenario has nothing to do with what actually happened. Going with your analogy - the LG store still sells TVs, just different models. In many cases LG gave people more store credit than they spent to begin with, and while TVs cost more, other things like phones don't. Finally, it's not like LG took a functional TV from you, they replaced took an out of date model that didn't work anymore. All in all, that sounds like pretty good service - not theft. How are TVs still available in the analogy? BPOs are no longer on sale. And the BPOs taken were not out of date, the new content we have contains equivalent modules to them. They could have easily been replaced. And LG sells phones. Seriously? You'd be happy having your TV taken away, so long as you were given access to a phone that you now know could be taken away just as easily, and that you probably didn't want in the first place? Gimme a break. No.
Midas Fool Black Phoenix Mercenaries 280	Posted - 2013.12.26 16:31:00 - [65] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: ChribbaX wrote: My first thought just is that the EULA pretty much says we don't own anything and CCP can remove/change/adjust anything as they please and as such I would never spend more real money than I am ok with CCP "taking" from me. /c CCP has gotten all the money they are going to get from me. There will always be people who don't know any better, so they will still make money. I don't really care how my money is used, especialy in a VIDEO GAME. I see all of my investment as just that...investment. The measly $100 I've put into the game is my show of support to the company and hopefully goes to further improving the game(s) I happen to enjoy. After all, it's just MONEY. There is always more of it... That does not make me a naive or uneducated consumer. It makes you guys overly self-entitled ones. It only furthers the point when you all try to act like you are having a sudden revelation when in reality you are hopping on the bandwagon. The fact that this entire scandal happened is moronic and shows just how toxic of consumers gamers really are. A huge fuss for some VIRTUAL items that were next-to-useless anyway. That passion should be put toward more useful things, but I doubt that any of you are capable of that. The only thing this is going to accomplish (and has been for a while now) is CCP and other developers are going to do their best to restrict VIDEO GAMES by putting them further beyond legal contracts and paywalls to ensure that some other jackass doesn't try to find the tiniest clause that they can use to cause damage. ...all at the expense of people trying to enjoy playing f*cking video games... +25 Kill Assist...+25 Kill Assist...+25 Kill Assist...NO HOW WHY
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2743	Posted - 2013.12.26 16:32:00 - [66] - Quote Midas Fool wrote: Gee, well, that sucks. Sigh...people nowadays...in general, really... Congrats, I guess. A triumphant personal victory. Hopefully it doesn't come at our expense. I think I speak for (the majority of) the community when I say you are no longer welcome as part of it. Please attempt to muster a little bit of respect for us and kindly leave. You will be replaced. You will not be missed. Thank you for playing Eve - Dust 514. I hope we never see you again. Translation: "F*ck you for trying to get CCP to respect its customers." No.
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4271	Posted - 2013.12.26 16:33:00 - [67] - Quote Piraten Hovnoret wrote: CrotchGrab 360 wrote: Absolute douche I don't think the Sony rep looked into the EULA or the TOS very far to see that you were in the wrong. I'm sure that somewhere in the EULA (which you agreed to) CCP reserve the right to change anything at any time and that they (and not you) own the AUR. I hope they find a clause in the paperwork and counter-claim and sue you for being a baby. After all $10 is such a great amount of money right? They would be doing it on principle, which you think you're doing, but you're not. CCP really need to bring out a new EULA, stating "ALL SALES ARE FINAL, NO REFUNDS". That's what I would do to keep snakes like you away. Sorry missed this one You know that even if you agree on something like the EULA the content of the EULA can be against consumer laws. The EULA is nothing more then then companies vui of the consumer laws. In Sweden we had a guy take a gaming developer to court over something just like this. And guess what he won, even tho the company claimed the al mighty EULA. The court simply said that even if there is a EULA parts of that was against Swedish consumer law then it becomes mute even if you agree on it or not. So he won got a hell of a lot more in his walet than he original asked for plus the couple of Millions in courts/lawyer costs was al put on the company tab =ƒÿé Simply put If you and me sign a contract where you want me to kill you And I do it, I will still get life sense it's against the law regardless. Yet another example of why the whole concept of internet commerce law is a joke. Take that big fracas between Apple and Samsung: Apple wins in the US, Samsung wins in South Korea. Just like always. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2743	Posted - 2013.12.26 16:35:00 - [68] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Why don't you just leave? All you do is complain and ***** and generally be a self entitled ass. Why are you still here? Do you even play anymore? Seriously just gtfo nobody wants you around new eden. Why don't you leave, if you can't stand the game's community? Alternatively we can actually try to contribute to the quality of the game. No.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5073	Posted - 2013.12.26 16:43:00 - [69] - Quote Your QQ is precious. I dropped more than 350 dollars on this game. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Midas Fool Black Phoenix Mercenaries 280	Posted - 2013.12.26 16:45:00 - [70] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Translation: "Fck you for trying to get CCP to respect its customers." Sigh...toxic... This entire situation is remniscent of this. Or is this not "respecting customers" either? So yeah, fck him. +25 Kill Assist...+25 Kill Assist...+25 Kill Assist...NO HOW WHY

Orenji Jiji 321	Posted - 2013.12.26 16:59:00 - [71] - Quote Got refunded in-game currency (the thing you've bought of PS Store) by CCP, then asked Sony to refund it for a second time in cash, because in-game items (non PS Store things) got removed (in accordance to EULA) and refunded with said PS Store bought currency? That's an awesome $10 scam you pulled on CCP, congrats! I hope you get banned so hard, that your children will not be able to enter New Eden. Because obviously you will not leave. You don't have balls to. You will stay here and continue to poison this community, like the rest of the self entitlement movement. DIAF. SL dumbfire, DS bumpercars, Scout beast-mode. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time.. to die.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6095	Posted - 2013.12.26 17:43:00 - [72] - Quote Ok, this thread has really devolved into a completely nonconstructive and nonproductive discussion. This is why topics like this should be locked. It causes people to act out in very irrational ways. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
Piraten Hovnoret No Tax Scrubs 153	Posted - 2013.12.26 18:18:00 - [73] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Piraten Hovnoret wrote: CrotchGrab 360 wrote: Absolute douche I don't think the Sony rep looked into the EULA or the TOS very far to see that you were in the wrong. I'm sure that somewhere in the EULA (which you agreed to) CCP reserve the right to change anything at any time and that they (and not you) own the AUR. I hope they find a clause in the paperwork and counter-claim and sue you for being a baby. After all $10 is such a great amount of money right? They would be doing it on principle, which you think you're doing, but you're not. CCP really need to bring out a new EULA, stating "ALL SALES ARE FINAL, NO REFUNDS". That's what I would do to keep snakes like you away. Sorry missed this one You know that even if you agree on something like the EULA the content of the EULA can be against consumer laws. The EULA is nothing more then then companies vui of the consumer laws. In Sweden we had a guy take a gaming developer to court over something just like this. And guess what he won, even tho the company claimed the al mighty EULA. The court simply said that even if there is a EULA parts of that was against Swedish consumer law then it becomes mute even if you agree on it or not. So he won got a hell of a lot more in his walet than he original asked for plus the couple of Millions in courts/lawyer costs was al put on the company tab =ƒÿé Simply put If you and me sign a contract where you want me to kill you And I do it, I will still get life sense it's against the law regardless. Yet another example of why the whole concept of internet commerce law is a joke. Take that big fracas between Apple and Samsung: Apple wins in the US, Samsung wins in South Korea. Just like always. That's your opinion. I kind of c it like this. Where the company is based is where they know the laws. In Sweden we have countless of foreign companies that get sued ( not only Internet business ) where they al are saying after that they belived that the laws was the same as at home. I work with things like this ( in construction ) and I can say this companies tend to be a bit ignorant when going "over seas" Is does not matter if its a us/Swedish/Korean or whatever they am have this tendency. however they learn as they grow from a domestic to a multinational company, but with al the laws and courtsystems in the world it's kind of a jungle for them. Oh and I also must say that companies also wins a lot in courts it's actually them that wins the most to be honest. Me personly don't have any problems ( in lack of a better word ) with that one can win in one country and loose in a other, it's different cultures, different perspectives, different systems, different countries, and that my friend is one of the marvelles of the world that in riches it. Regards
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2751	Posted - 2013.12.26 20:09:00 - [74] - Quote Midas Fool wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Translation: "Fck you for trying to get CCP to respect its customers." Sigh...toxic... This entire situation is remniscent of this. Or is this not "respecting customers" either? So yeah, fck him. I don't see how that relates. If you don't value your money as much as others, then you're simply not qualified to contribute anything to the discussion. No.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2751	Posted - 2013.12.26 20:11:00 - [75] - Quote Orenji Jiji wrote: Got refunded in-game currency (the thing you've bought of PS Store) by CCP, then asked Sony to refund it for a second time in cash, because in-game items (non PS Store things) got removed (in accordance to EULA) and refunded with said PS Store bought currency? That's an awesome $10 scam you pulled on CCP, congrats! I hope you get banned so hard, that your children will not be able to enter New Eden. Because obviously you will not leave. You don't have balls to. You will stay here and continue to poison this community, like the rest of the self entitlement movement. DIAF. The refund isn't worth anything if the currency has no worth left. No.
Xender17 Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 965	Posted - 2013.12.26 20:27:00 - [76] - Quote Getting a refund is ridiculous. You accepted the eula. -But you still got the refund? Also refund do the game harm. I personally enjoy the game. And getting a refund is takes away money that goes into the development of the game. Good job helping ruining the game. Prt SL, SCR, SR . ADV FGs, MDs, LaZor, KNs. Gunnlogi, Falchion, Python, Caldari LDS. (+require) Prt L. Am, Adv HVY, LGS
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 881	Posted - 2013.12.26 20:27:00 - [77] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: pics or it didnt happen Come on now, bro. Lore-wise: Calamari are my preferred. Amarricans are my despised. Importantly: Frogs n' Brutes have all my stuff...
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6098	Posted - 2013.12.26 20:29:00 - [78] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Orenji Jiji wrote: Got refunded in-game currency (the thing you've bought of PS Store) by CCP, then asked Sony to refund it for a second time in cash, because in-game items (non PS Store things) got removed (in accordance to EULA) and refunded with said PS Store bought currency? That's an awesome $10 scam you pulled on CCP, congrats! I hope you get banned so hard, that your children will not be able to enter New Eden. Because obviously you will not leave. You don't have balls to. You will stay here and continue to poison this community, like the rest of the self entitlement movement. DIAF. The refund isn't worth anything if the currency has no worth left. But the currency still technically has worth. You can still use the refund on other things like boosters and consumable gear. Of course it would be a whole lot better if Dust mercs had access to vanity items like what we have for Eve Online's Noble Exchange store. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6098	Posted - 2013.12.26 20:33:00 - [79] - Quote Honestly, OP. I feel you need to petition CCP to remove the $10 worth of AUR that is on your character. You got your $10 PSN Credit, so it's only fair that the amount of AUR similar to that value should be removed from said character. Otherwise you're technically cheating off of CCP. I know. I know. You feel that CCP cheated you too, but two wrongs don't make a right. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
MrShooter01 Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 350	Posted - 2013.12.26 20:35:00 - [80] - Quote Xender17 wrote: Getting a refund is ridiculous. You accepted the eula. -But you still got the refund? Also refund do the game harm. I personally enjoy the game. And getting a refund is takes away money that goes into the development of the game. Good job helping ruining the game. I really doubt that this of all things is going to harm the game The Sony CSR probably got bored to tears halfway through OP's explanation of how BPOs worked and pressed the "make $10 store credit appear from thin air" button while following the script of "hmm yes we understand your concerns completely" and sending him a form letter I could probably go on playstation home right now and buy a pair of glowing digital pants and call sony up to complain that I don't like how it makes my avatar's butt look fat and get the same email

Namirial Kensai Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 22	Posted - 2013.12.26 20:42:00 - [81] - Quote Piraten Hovnoret wrote: Well I buy somthing for real money then that item is mine. If a producer want to recall it due to whatever the producer can't give me somthing else insted. Simple put If I buy apples and they are rutten I should get A ; new apples B ; money back Not pears insted On a others matter CCP had a sale of bpo just before removing them from the game. Then they took away the bpo and gave you aur insted. I don't know the leagal tearm in English but it's actually somthing you can take to curt in most countries regardless of the disclaimer you sighn before starting the game. Then again who drags some one to court over 10 dollars that's wy they get away with it. Regards you ahvent bought anything with real money in DUST though. you payed CCP to allow you access to content that was specifically stated as being CCP's sole discretion of existence, you own nothing in DUST, and as long as you play DUST, you play and use CCP's property at their grace, if they want to take an item away and give you a different one, then that is their right to do so. you people shoulda been grateful to get AUR back at all, plenty of BPO's in EVE can no longer be used at ALL (such as the python Mine BPO) and the people who invested to buy it never got anythign back, they were just told "hey you got a collector item dust magnet now!"
Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries 507	Posted - 2013.12.26 21:13:00 - [82] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: Why don't you just leave? All you do is complain and ***** and generally be a self entitled ass. Why are you still here? Do you even play anymore? Seriously just gtfo nobody wants you around new eden. Why don't you leave, if you can't stand the game's community? Alternatively we can actually try to contribute to the quality of the game. You can leave too, as you seem to care more about your own personal gain over the community. The reason why Im not going to leave is I have fun playing dust. Am I to understand that this is how you contribute? Calling CCP and their game sh!t? Complaining and whining about something so trivial? Stomping your feet cause you didn't get your lollipop? I love the dust community, I can't stand self entitled idiots like you. The community would be much better off if the "bpo rights" group left. I'm sooooo sorry they took out some military mods, I'm so sorry they gave you a complete refund! I'm soooo sorry that you think the world should revolve around you, it doesn't. Grow up or get out. Your kind is the only group I would actually go up to and curse at during fan fest, everyone else I would have a great time meeting. You are the lowest of the low. Please leave.
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 329	Posted - 2013.12.26 21:51:00 - [83] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: pics or it didnt happen not only do I think that's not legal, but that would also require showing you a personal e mail with sensitive personal material...you'll just have to call them yourself and see what happens.... hahaha you didnt get a refund and youre lying hahahahhahhahahahahhahahahhahahahahhahahahhhhahah didnt happen "May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace" - Second Corinthians chapter one verse two.
fawkuima juggalo Eternal Beings 744	Posted - 2013.12.26 23:10:00 - [84] - Quote me calling you out got more likes then your own thread......VIVA LA DUST ---OFFICIAL LOGISTICS REGISTRY BOARD/ H.O.F.----
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2751	Posted - 2013.12.26 23:12:00 - [85] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: Why don't you just leave? All you do is complain and ***** and generally be a self entitled ass. Why are you still here? Do you even play anymore? Seriously just gtfo nobody wants you around new eden. Why don't you leave, if you can't stand the game's community? Alternatively we can actually try to contribute to the quality of the game. You can leave too, as you seem to care more about your own personal gain over the community. The reason why Im not going to leave is I have fun playing dust. Am I to understand that this is how you contribute? Calling CCP and their game sh!t? Complaining and whining about something so trivial? Stomping your feet cause you didn't get your lollipop? I love the dust community, I can't stand self entitled idiots like you. The community would be much better off if the "bpo rights" group left. I'm sooooo sorry they took out some military mods, I'm so sorry they gave you a complete refund! I'm soooo sorry that you think the world should revolve around you, it doesn't. Grow up or get out. Your kind is the only group I would actually go up to and curse at during fan fest, everyone else I would have a great time meeting. You are the lowest of the low. Please leave. My point was that I don't intend to leave. Apparently you missed that. You also seem to have confused the concept of entitlement and the concept of a fair trade. I haven't suffered for these changes, since the only BPOs I own are ones bought in packs, so your assessment of my objections is way off. All I am doing is advocating a higher level of business practice. I'm not calling the game sh*t, nor is this issue trivial. The game relies upon the money made from Aurum sales, and the reliability of its developers. If you're happy being treated like a chump for your custom, go right ahead and shovel more money into CCP's pockets for an inferior product. I myself have some standards thanks. No.
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 1054	Posted - 2013.12.26 23:55:00 - [86] - Quote Namirial Kensai wrote: Piraten Hovnoret wrote: Well I buy somthing for real money then that item is mine. If a producer want to recall it due to whatever the producer can't give me somthing else insted. Simple put If I buy apples and they are rutten I should get A ; new apples B ; money back Not pears insted On a others matter CCP had a sale of bpo just before removing them from the game. Then they took away the bpo and gave you aur insted. I don't know the leagal tearm in English but it's actually somthing you can take to curt in most countries regardless of the disclaimer you sighn before starting the game. Then again who drags some one to court over 10 dollars that's wy they get away with it. Regards you ahvent bought anything with real money in DUST though. you payed CCP to allow you access to content that was specifically stated as being CCP's sole discretion of existence, you own nothing in DUST, and as long as you play DUST, you play and use CCP's property at their grace, if they want to take an item away and give you a different one, then that is their right to do so. you people shoulda been grateful to get AUR back at all, plenty of BPO's in EVE can no longer be used at ALL (such as the python Mine BPO) and the people who invested to buy it never got anythign back, they were just told "hey you got a collector item dust magnet now!" what an ass kisser. There was a time we fought good tankers. Now we just fight good tanks.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1805	Posted - 2013.12.30 15:20:00 - [87] - Quote this thread was a very compelling read. I give a lot of credit to sony for treating it's customers the ccp should. the most interesting part of this thread is that he got the refund but also still has the aur, which must mean sony didn't even contact ccp, they just took care of a disgruntled customer out of their own pocket. very cool. this game makes me sad....
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 1043	Posted - 2013.12.30 15:44:00 - [88] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: So you should be good and able to quit now. I suppose you should stop posting on CCP forums as well. That'll show em! no actually posting is what will show them.... the squeaky wheel gets the grease. jagoff.
dent 308 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2219	Posted - 2013.12.30 16:14:00 - [89] - Quote Posting in an epic thread. Terrible, but the first rule of the internet is 'nobody cares'. Hail Satan
Atheor Sindromer Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 12	Posted - 2013.12.30 16:35:00 - [90] - Quote You got a refund. More power to ya, but coming on the forums and posting a thread about it is just pointless and makes you seem immature if you ***** about it. Love the sinner, hate the Sindromer.

Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2766	Posted - 2013.12.30 17:02:00 - [91] - Quote Atheor Sindromer wrote: You got a refund. More power to ya, but coming on the forums and posting a thread about it is just pointless and makes you seem immature if you ***** about it. It provides an example of how customer service can and should be done. I'll bet nobody at Sony squealed "EULA! EULA!" when they realised they were dealing with a genuinely disgruntled customer. No.
NomaDz 2K DUTY FR33 98	Posted - 2013.12.30 17:54:00 - [92] - Quote If you really got the refund then all i can say is that you deserve it and thanks for informing us that you managed to get your rights respected I personally have opened a Ticket about this since Early November when I was aware of this shady move by CCP. It took them 20 DAYS to respond, they said they would see what they can do about my request to get the BPOs EXCHANGED for other BPOs still in game. The Ticket is still open and it's been open for almost 2 months. Gratz on the OP for getting it sorted out within 7 Days and with a FULL Cash Refund And as my New Years Resolution, If CCP don't take into consideration my TICKET which has been open for around 2 MONTHS , I think i'll do the same. Peac3 DON'T SPEND CA$H ON DUST 514 CCP WILL ONLY GIVE YOU AUR AFTER THEY REMOVE YOUR BPOs WHICH U SPENT REAL MONGé¼Y ON!
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 603	Posted - 2013.12.30 17:59:00 - [93] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: so I called and complained to sony for CCP's theft of my blueprints and they gave me a 10 dollar refund for 20k aur. I suggest to anyone else who wants their money instead of that worthless aur to call sony and let them know what pathetic gip bags ccp are and you want your money back... worked for me. edit: slightly changed title so idiots who don't read the thread and just think its a QQ thread wont bother posting an irrelevant response. Power to the consumer!
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1814	Posted - 2013.12.30 19:08:00 - [94] - Quote Atheor Sindromer wrote: You got a refund. More power to ya, but coming on the forums and posting a thread about it is just pointless and makes you seem immature if you ***** about it. I am thankful he did, its good info for others who may want to get a refund for their stolen blueprints and realize the aur refund was not fair compensation, unless you were one of the lucky ones who only paid 40 aur for them. this game makes me sad....
Soldiersaint Deepspace Digital 637	Posted - 2013.12.30 21:39:00 - [95] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: i got such a big smile on my face when i read the subject of this thread, i knew i was in for a treat and i was not wrong. laughed pretty hard. I hope they take away something of value to you. Just so i can see you rage.
NomaDz 2K The Rainbow Effect 103	Posted - 2014.01.17 11:33:00 - [96] - Quote Well it appears that Sony have more consideration for us than CCP think and their EULA, this is mainly due to the fact that CONSUMER LAWS Protect us against SHADY DEALING which CCP have IMPLEMENTED in their ways of doing business towards their Clients as in Supporters, those of us which INVESTED REAL MONEY in their project. I personally tried hard to reach an Agreement with CCP, I asked them to EXCHANGE my BPOs which were being removed for 1 BPO Dropsuit which was still in game since I didn't wish to have an AUR refund forced upon me , I PAID Real Money just to obtain the BPOs in question and they said they do not intend to do this. CCP openly stating to me that I should contact Sony if I expect a CASH REFUND. The last message from CCP to me in an Open Ticket was: "Should you wish to peruse cash alternatives than I can only suggest that you contact SONY PSN as CCP have no access to customer payments for DUST 514. Regards, Lead GM Grave CCP Customer Relations \| EVE Online \| DUST 514 " Well this is exactly what I did and I too within 7 Days gained a Refund directly from Sony. Good Luck CCP in tring to MILK CASH out of people, i'll still play your game but please take time to read my Sig....and stick that up your EULA the next time you try to rip people off, remember Consumer Laws PROTECT us CCP Peac3 DON'T SPEND CA$H ON DUST 514 CCP WILL ONLY GIVE YOU AUR AFTER THEY REMOVE YOUR BPOs WHICH U SPENT REAL MONGé¼Y ON!
straya fox Sad Panda Solutions 163	Posted - 2014.01.17 11:34:00 - [97] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: so I called and complained to sony for CCP's theft of my blueprints and they gave me a 10 dollar refund for 20k aur. I suggest to anyone else who wants their money instead of that worthless aur to call sony and let them know what pathetic gip bags ccp are and you want your money back... worked for me. edit: slightly changed title so idiots who don't read the thread and just think its a QQ thread wont bother posting an irrelevant response. You are a ****!
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1597	Posted - 2014.01.17 11:40:00 - [98] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: i got such a big smile on my face when i read the subject of this thread, i knew i was in for a treat and i was not wrong. laughed pretty hard. And I knew it was some guy just raging because he thought his "rights" were hurt. Aurum for the Blueprints was the best CCP was able to do. Has nothing to do with stealing. But of course some people make enough of a fuzz to get what they want, like little children do. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
NomaDz 2K The Rainbow Effect 103	Posted - 2014.01.17 11:48:00 - [99] - Quote straya fox wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: so I called and complained to sony for CCP's theft of my blueprints and they gave me a 10 dollar refund for 20k aur. I suggest to anyone else who wants their money instead of that worthless aur to call sony and let them know what pathetic gip bags ccp are and you want your money back... worked for me. edit: slightly changed title so idiots who don't read the thread and just think its a QQ thread wont bother posting an irrelevant response. You are a **! No that person isn't a whatever you consider them because he as a CONSUMER/CLIENT/SUPPORTER invested real cash into this project as I did to sustain CCP. This is why we have Consumer Laws which protect EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US, well at least in Europe. So if you don't like what he did, as in stand up for his rights as I did also , then this really is your OWN PROBLEM if you like getting pushed around in REAL LIFE, I personally FIGHT for EVERYTHING I love and own and use EVERYTHING in my power to protect myself from such SHADY DEALINGS as that used by CCP. Then again the world is full of losers and tryhards, people which have no idea what rights they have and constantly take it from behind, yet some of us have ballz of steel and stand our ground especially when we know we are rights. Peac3 I hope one day you'll grow some ballz too and protect your rights. DON'T SPEND CA$H ON DUST 514 CCP WILL ONLY GIVE YOU AUR AFTER THEY REMOVE YOUR BPOs WHICH U SPENT REAL MONGé¼Y ON!**
NomaDz 2K The Rainbow Effect 103	Posted - 2014.01.17 11:53:00 - [100] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: i got such a big smile on my face when i read the subject of this thread, i knew i was in for a treat and i was not wrong. laughed pretty hard. And I knew it was some guy just raging because he thought his "rights" were hurt. Aurum for the Blueprints was the best CCP was able to do. Has nothing to do with stealing. But of course some people make enough of a fuzz to get what they want, like little children do. You see this is where you're seriously wrong about "he thought his "rights"" he does have RIGHTS and so does everyone here. If you consider that making a "fuzz" as in standing up for your rights is wrong, well GL in the Real World cause you seriously need it... DON'T SPEND CA$H ON DUST 514 CCP WILL ONLY GIVE YOU AUR AFTER THEY REMOVE YOUR BPOs WHICH U SPENT REAL MONGé¼Y ON!

R F Gyro Clones 4u 1049	Posted - 2014.01.17 11:57:00 - [101] - Quote I'm not sure you are allowed to post GM conversations here, so careful with that. Also, are you sure that CCP weren't simply telling you that the mechanics of a cash refund had to go through Sony? You give cash to Sony and they give cash to CCP. If you want the cash back, you get it back from Sony and they get it back from CCP. Maybe Sony contacted CCP and said "this guy wants his cash back, is that OK with you?" and they said "yep, we've already been in contact with him and it is OK". I imagine CCP lose the cash either way, and they are comfortable with this because their strategy is now to discourage BPO ownership and use. In other words, are you assuming malice where there isn't any? RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
NomaDz 2K The Rainbow Effect 103	Posted - 2014.01.17 12:14:00 - [102] - Quote R F Gyro wrote: I'm not sure you are allowed to post GM conversations here, so careful with that. Also, are you sure that CCP weren't simply telling you that the mechanics of a cash refund had to go through Sony? You give cash to Sony and they give cash to CCP. If you want the cash back, you get it back from Sony and they get it back from CCP. Maybe Sony contacted CCP and said "this guy wants his cash back, is that OK with you?" and they said "yep, we've already been in contact with him and it is OK". I imagine CCP lose the cash either way, and they are comfortable with this because their strategy is now to discourage BPO ownership and use. In other words, are you assuming malice where there isn't any? What i'm sure of is that Sony recognise Consumer Rights and provide refunds due to this reason. Another thing I am sure of based upon my Open Ticket which took CCP 20 Days to respond....is that CCP had no reason whatsoever to refund their clients/consumers/supporters/players/PAYERS on an equal level. CCP don't appear to agree on Customer Satisfaction, thus the reason they wished to FORCE their own form of refund, which is TOTALLY ILLEGAL BY CONSUMER LAWS. DON'T SPEND CA$H ON DUST 514 CCP WILL ONLY GIVE YOU AUR AFTER THEY REMOVE YOUR BPOs WHICH U SPENT REAL MONGé¼Y ON!
Karl Koekwaus 205	Posted - 2014.01.17 12:22:00 - [103] - Quote Don't be surprised if CCP bans your account. it's common to ban acounts who had a credit card chargeback, I don't see how this is different. Micheal Jackson died for my sins
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1597	Posted - 2014.01.17 12:23:00 - [104] - Quote NomaDz 2K wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: i got such a big smile on my face when i read the subject of this thread, i knew i was in for a treat and i was not wrong. laughed pretty hard. And I knew it was some guy just raging because he thought his "rights" were hurt. Aurum for the Blueprints was the best CCP was able to do. Has nothing to do with stealing. But of course some people make enough of a fuzz to get what they want, like little children do. You see this is where you're seriously wrong about "he thought his "rights"" he does have RIGHTS and so does everyone here. If you consider that making a "fuzz" as in standing up for your rights is wrong, well GL in the Real World cause you seriously need it... He bought Aurum. He used that Aurum to get the BPOs. When the BPOs got removed he got his Aurum back. Everything was perfectly fine! And then he cried because he "only bought Aurum to buy BPOs!" So what? The initial transaction was for Aurum. He just got lucky Sony had a good day. Because everything already was in order. What he did was basically the same some people do to tech support: "You had my computer last! It's your fault now I downloaded another virus!" or people arguing with the cashier that they should accept that coupon for another store. **** like that doesn't get you very far in RL. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
Leonid Tybalt Dark Knightz Corp. 156	Posted - 2014.01.17 12:29:00 - [105] - Quote R F Gyro wrote: I'm not sure you are allowed to post GM conversations here, so careful with that. Also, are you sure that CCP weren't simply telling you that the mechanics of a cash refund had to go through Sony? You give cash to Sony and they give cash to CCP. If you want the cash back, you get it back from Sony and they get it back from CCP. Maybe Sony contacted CCP and said "this guy wants his cash back, is that OK with you?" and they said "yep, we've already been in contact with him and it is OK". I imagine CCP lose the cash either way, and they are comfortable with this because their strategy is now to discourage BPO ownership and use. In other words, are you assuming malice where there isn't any? Oh? Is that why ccp went out of their way to advertise packs that contained bpo's and told us to "get them before they're off the market"? Doesn't seem very "discouraging" to me. Also to all you people who defend ccp by crying "EULA": the EULA isn't considered legal in all countries. So it Doesn't matter if you signed or agreed to something as a consumer, because if it's not recognised by the laws of the country you live in, then any kind of contract is automatically void.
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1598	Posted - 2014.01.17 12:33:00 - [106] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: R F Gyro wrote: I'm not sure you are allowed to post GM conversations here, so careful with that. Also, are you sure that CCP weren't simply telling you that the mechanics of a cash refund had to go through Sony? You give cash to Sony and they give cash to CCP. If you want the cash back, you get it back from Sony and they get it back from CCP. Maybe Sony contacted CCP and said "this guy wants his cash back, is that OK with you?" and they said "yep, we've already been in contact with him and it is OK". I imagine CCP lose the cash either way, and they are comfortable with this because their strategy is now to discourage BPO ownership and use. In other words, are you assuming malice where there isn't any? Oh? Is that why ccp went out of their way to advertise packs that contained bpo's and told us to "get them before they're off the market"? Doesn't seem very "discouraging" to me. Also to all you people who defend ccp by crying "EULA": the EULA isn't considered legal in all countries. So it Doesn't matter if you signed or agreed to something as a consumer, because if it's not recognised by the laws of the country you live in, then any kind of contract is automatically void. The EULA is legal if you can read it without having to buy anything. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
NomaDz 2K The Rainbow Effect 106	Posted - 2014.01.17 12:34:00 - [107] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: R F Gyro wrote: I'm not sure you are allowed to post GM conversations here, so careful with that. Also, are you sure that CCP weren't simply telling you that the mechanics of a cash refund had to go through Sony? You give cash to Sony and they give cash to CCP. If you want the cash back, you get it back from Sony and they get it back from CCP. Maybe Sony contacted CCP and said "this guy wants his cash back, is that OK with you?" and they said "yep, we've already been in contact with him and it is OK". I imagine CCP lose the cash either way, and they are comfortable with this because their strategy is now to discourage BPO ownership and use. In other words, are you assuming malice where there isn't any? Oh? Is that why ccp went out of their way to advertise packs that contained bpo's and told us to "get them before they're off the market"? Doesn't seem very "discouraging" to me. Also to all you people who defend ccp by crying "EULA": the EULA isn't considered legal in all countries. So it Doesn't matter if you signed or agreed to something as a consumer, because if it's not recognised by the laws of the country you live in, then any kind of contract is automatically void. ^ THIS DON'T SPEND CA$H ON DUST 514 CCP WILL ONLY GIVE YOU AUR AFTER THEY REMOVE YOUR BPOs WHICH U SPENT REAL MONGé¼Y ON!
NomaDz 2K The Rainbow Effect 106	Posted - 2014.01.17 12:44:00 - [108] - Quote Karl Koekwaus wrote: Don't be surprised if CCP bans your account. it's common to ban acounts who had a credit card chargeback, I don't see how this is different. Oh please BRING iT ON I was fair enough to ask only for a PARTIAL Refund and CCP should THANK me for this , cause I was honest enough to only request a refund based upon the amount spent to obtain said BPOs removed, a sort of "Moral Damages" Refund. The FACT is that Sony was actually willing to provide me a FULL REFUND = EVERY PACK PURCHASED for DUST So if CCP do this I will do that, NP DON'T SPEND CA$H ON DUST 514 CCP WILL ONLY GIVE YOU AUR AFTER THEY REMOVE YOUR BPOs WHICH U SPENT REAL MONGé¼Y ON!
R F Gyro Clones 4u 1049	Posted - 2014.01.17 13:00:00 - [109] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: R F Gyro wrote: I'm not sure you are allowed to post GM conversations here, so careful with that. Also, are you sure that CCP weren't simply telling you that the mechanics of a cash refund had to go through Sony? You give cash to Sony and they give cash to CCP. If you want the cash back, you get it back from Sony and they get it back from CCP. Maybe Sony contacted CCP and said "this guy wants his cash back, is that OK with you?" and they said "yep, we've already been in contact with him and it is OK". I imagine CCP lose the cash either way, and they are comfortable with this because their strategy is now to discourage BPO ownership and use. In other words, are you assuming malice where there isn't any? Oh? Is that why ccp went out of their way to advertise packs that contained bpo's and told us to "get them before they're off the market"? Doesn't seem very "discouraging" to me. Eh? Out of all I wrote you chose to pick up on "discouraging BPO ownership"? You could remove everything in that sentence after "comfortable with this" and it wouldn't affect my point at all. Quote: Also to all you people who defend ccp by crying "EULA": the EULA isn't considered legal in all countries. So it Doesn't matter if you signed or agreed to something as a consumer, because if it's not recognised by the laws of the country you live in, then any kind of contract is automatically void. By "you people" I assume you are addressing other people rather than me, so this paragraph is not in response to my post. RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
Vapor Forseti THE-TITANS 2	Posted - 2014.01.17 13:17:00 - [110] - Quote NomaDz 2K wrote: Well it appears that Sony have more consideration for us than CCP think and their EULA, this is mainly due to the fact that CONSUMER LAWS Protect us against SHADY DEALING which CCP have IMPLEMENTED in their ways of doing business towards their Clients as in Supporters, those of us which INVESTED REAL MONEY in their project. I personally tried hard to reach an Agreement with CCP, I asked them to EXCHANGE my BPOs which were being removed for 1 BPO Dropsuit which was still in game since I didn't wish to have an AUR refund forced upon me , I PAID Real Money just to obtain the BPOs in question and they said they do not intend to do this. CCP openly stating to me that I should contact Sony if I expect a CASH REFUND. Well this is exactly what I did and I too within 7 Days gained a Refund directly from Sony. Good Luck CCP in tring to MILK CASH out of people, i'll still play your game but please take time to read my Sig....and stick that up your EULA the next time you try to rip people off, remember Consumer Laws PROTECT us CCP Peac3 You're goofy. The Captain of THE-TITANS and proud Militia Pub Stomper.

NomaDz 2K The Rainbow Effect 106	Posted - 2014.01.17 13:24:00 - [111] - Quote Vapor Forseti wrote: NomaDz 2K wrote: Well it appears that Sony have more consideration for us than CCP think and their EULA, this is mainly due to the fact that CONSUMER LAWS Protect us against SHADY DEALING which CCP have IMPLEMENTED in their ways of doing business towards their Clients as in Supporters, those of us which INVESTED REAL MONEY in their project. I personally tried hard to reach an Agreement with CCP, I asked them to EXCHANGE my BPOs which were being removed for 1 BPO Dropsuit which was still in game since I didn't wish to have an AUR refund forced upon me , I PAID Real Money just to obtain the BPOs in question and they said they do not intend to do this. CCP openly stating to me that I should contact Sony if I expect a CASH REFUND. Well this is exactly what I did and I too within 7 Days gained a Refund directly from Sony. Good Luck CCP in tring to MILK CASH out of people, i'll still play your game but please take time to read my Sig....and stick that up your EULA the next time you try to rip people off, remember Consumer Laws PROTECT us CCP Peac3 You're goofy. If this is the word you use to describe a person which fights for their rights and wins, then ok fine, i can live with that. DON'T SPEND CA$H ON DUST 514 CCP WILL ONLY GIVE YOU AUR AFTER THEY REMOVE YOUR BPOs WHICH U SPENT REAL MONGé¼Y ON!
Vapor Forseti THE-TITANS 2	Posted - 2014.01.17 13:27:00 - [112] - Quote NomaDz 2K wrote: Vapor Forseti wrote: NomaDz 2K wrote: Well it appears that Sony have more consideration for us than CCP think and their EULA, this is mainly due to the fact that CONSUMER LAWS Protect us against SHADY DEALING which CCP have IMPLEMENTED in their ways of doing business towards their Clients as in Supporters, those of us which INVESTED REAL MONEY in their project. I personally tried hard to reach an Agreement with CCP, I asked them to EXCHANGE my BPOs which were being removed for 1 BPO Dropsuit which was still in game since I didn't wish to have an AUR refund forced upon me , I PAID Real Money just to obtain the BPOs in question and they said they do not intend to do this. CCP openly stating to me that I should contact Sony if I expect a CASH REFUND. Well this is exactly what I did and I too within 7 Days gained a Refund directly from Sony. Good Luck CCP in tring to MILK CASH out of people, i'll still play your game but please take time to read my Sig....and stick that up your EULA the next time you try to rip people off, remember Consumer Laws PROTECT us CCP Peac3 You're goofy. If this is the word you use to describe a person which fights for their rights and wins, then ok fine, i can live with that. That's not the case of why I'm using that word. The fact that you bumped someone else's old thread to share your own problems is goofy enough. The Captain of THE-TITANS and proud Militia Pub Stomper.
NomaDz 2K The Rainbow Effect 106	Posted - 2014.01.17 13:37:00 - [113] - Quote Vapor Forseti wrote: NomaDz 2K wrote: Vapor Forseti wrote: NomaDz 2K wrote: Well it appears that Sony have more consideration for us than CCP think and their EULA, this is mainly due to the fact that CONSUMER LAWS Protect us against SHADY DEALING which CCP have IMPLEMENTED in their ways of doing business towards their Clients as in Supporters, those of us which INVESTED REAL MONEY in their project. I personally tried hard to reach an Agreement with CCP, I asked them to EXCHANGE my BPOs which were being removed for 1 BPO Dropsuit which was still in game since I didn't wish to have an AUR refund forced upon me , I PAID Real Money just to obtain the BPOs in question and they said they do not intend to do this. CCP openly stating to me that I should contact Sony if I expect a CASH REFUND. Well this is exactly what I did and I too within 7 Days gained a Refund directly from Sony. Good Luck CCP in tring to MILK CASH out of people, i'll still play your game but please take time to read my Sig....and stick that up your EULA the next time you try to rip people off, remember Consumer Laws PROTECT us CCP Peac3 You're goofy. If this is the word you use to describe a person which fights for their rights and wins, then ok fine, i can live with that. That's not the case of why I'm using that word. The fact that you bumped someone else's old thread to share your own problems is goofy enough. Ye sure whateva kid... The point is this is an UPDATE on the situation, it's also proving that WE ALL HAVE RIGHTS, this is why SLAVERY WAS ABOLISHED - CAUSE WE HAVE RIGHTS Then again your Character is Amarr I guess U don't agree with equal rights and are all for SLAVERY Peac3 DON'T SPEND CA$H ON DUST 514 CCP WILL ONLY GIVE YOU AUR AFTER THEY REMOVE YOUR BPOs WHICH U SPENT REAL MONGé¼Y ON!
Vapor Forseti THE-TITANS 2	Posted - 2014.01.17 13:56:00 - [114] - Quote NomaDz 2K wrote: Vapor Forseti wrote: NomaDz 2K wrote: Vapor Forseti wrote: NomaDz 2K wrote: Well it appears that Sony have more consideration for us than CCP think and their EULA, this is mainly due to the fact that CONSUMER LAWS Protect us against SHADY DEALING which CCP have IMPLEMENTED in their ways of doing business towards their Clients as in Supporters, those of us which INVESTED REAL MONEY in their project. I personally tried hard to reach an Agreement with CCP, I asked them to EXCHANGE my BPOs which were being removed for 1 BPO Dropsuit which was still in game since I didn't wish to have an AUR refund forced upon me , I PAID Real Money just to obtain the BPOs in question and they said they do not intend to do this. CCP openly stating to me that I should contact Sony if I expect a CASH REFUND. Well this is exactly what I did and I too within 7 Days gained a Refund directly from Sony. Good Luck CCP in tring to MILK CASH out of people, i'll still play your game but please take time to read my Sig....and stick that up your EULA the next time you try to rip people off, remember Consumer Laws PROTECT us CCP Peac3 You're goofy. If this is the word you use to describe a person which fights for their rights and wins, then ok fine, i can live with that. That's not the case of why I'm using that word. The fact that you bumped someone else's old thread to share your own problems is goofy enough. Ye sure whateva kid... The point is this is an UPDATE on the situation, it's also proving that WE ALL HAVE RIGHTS, this is why SLAVERY WAS ABOLISHED - CAUSE WE HAVE RIGHTS Then again your Character is Amarr I guess U don't agree with equal rights and that you're all for SLAVERY "to share your own problems is goofy enough." I got REFUNDED CORRECTLY NOW, so I don't have ANY PROBLEMS but you appear to have issues and i got the tissues for U baby Peac3 I'm an Amarr who spec'd into Gallente Logistics who fights with a Minmatarian Combat Rifle who grinds with Caldari Militia dropsuits. I don't have issues. Your point is invalid. The Captain of THE-TITANS and proud Militia Pub Stomper.
Vapor Forseti THE-TITANS 2	Posted - 2014.01.17 13:58:00 - [115] - Quote NomaDz 2K wrote: Ye sure whateva kid... The point is this is an UPDATE on the situation, it's also proving that WE ALL HAVE RIGHTS, this is why SLAVERY WAS ABOLISHED - CAUSE WE HAVE RIGHTS Then again your Character is Amarr I guess U don't agree with equal rights and that you're all for SLAVERY "to share your own problems is goofy enough." I got REFUNDED CORRECTLY NOW, so I don't have ANY PROBLEMS but you appear to have issues and i got the tissues for U baby Peac3 I'm an Amarr who spec'd into Gallente Logistics who fights with a Minmatarian Combat Rifle who grinds with Caldari Militia dropsuits. I don't have issues. Your point is invalid. The Captain of THE-TITANS and proud Militia Pub Stomper.
Anarchide Greedy Bastards 1749	Posted - 2014.01.17 14:02:00 - [116] - Quote Scumbags will be scumbags. Greedy Bastards' Hate Lord
Leonid Tybalt Dark Knightz Corp. 157	Posted - 2014.01.17 14:51:00 - [117] - Quote R F Gyro wrote: Leonid Tybalt wrote: R F Gyro wrote: I'm not sure you are allowed to post GM conversations here, so careful with that. Also, are you sure that CCP weren't simply telling you that the mechanics of a cash refund had to go through Sony? You give cash to Sony and they give cash to CCP. If you want the cash back, you get it back from Sony and they get it back from CCP. Maybe Sony contacted CCP and said "this guy wants his cash back, is that OK with you?" and they said "yep, we've already been in contact with him and it is OK". I imagine CCP lose the cash either way, and they are comfortable with this because their strategy is now to discourage BPO ownership and use. In other words, are you assuming malice where there isn't any? Oh? Is that why ccp went out of their way to advertise packs that contained bpo's and told us to "get them before they're off the market"? Doesn't seem very "discouraging" to me. Eh? Out of all I wrote you chose to pick up on "discouraging BPO ownership"? You could remove everything in that sentence after "comfortable with this" and it wouldn't affect my point at all. Quote: Also to all you people who defend ccp by crying "EULA": the EULA isn't considered legal in all countries. So it Doesn't matter if you signed or agreed to something as a consumer, because if it's not recognised by the laws of the country you live in, then any kind of contract is automatically void. By "you people" I assume you are addressing other people rather than me, so this paragraph is not in response to my post. Then tell me how they "discourage" us when they purposefully advertise for us to buy bpo's? "you people" = plural = no one in specific.
Lorhak Gannarsein 1223	Posted - 2014.01.17 15:20:00 - [118] - Quote WOO WE ARE ALL INTERNET LAWYERS WHO ARE SUPER DUPER SKILLED AT INTERPRETING AND ENFORCING INTERNATIONAL CONSUMER LAW! Also, f[i]u[/]ck you, OP and all you stand for. And, I suppose, all the QQing whiners bitching about how their BPOs were 'stolen'. I notice, OP, that you haven't posted in the thread for a while; got banned? PRO tanker and proud.
Ankbar Latrommi Immortal Guides 36	Posted - 2014.01.17 15:22:00 - [119] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: Also to all you people who defend ccp by crying "EULA": the EULA isn't considered legal in all countries. So it Doesn't matter if you signed or agreed to something as a consumer, because if it's not recognised by the laws of the country you live in, then any kind of contract is automatically void. And your word is also worthless, because regardless of the legalities in your particular country, you as an individual agreed to the EULA. If you don't like it, don't agree to it and don't play the game. If you want to make an argument how EULA's should be simpler and in plain speech, I'll agree. But an agreement is an agreement, unless you support a culture of dishonesty with no real basis for trust. Reiner Knizia-"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." Eve> FPS
Ankbar Latrommi Immortal Guides 36	Posted - 2014.01.17 15:25:00 - [120] - Quote NomaDz 2K wrote: TThe point is this is an UPDATE on the situation, it's also proving that WE ALL HAVE RIGHTS, this is why SLAVERY WAS ABOLISHED - CAUSE WE HAVE RIGHTS an argument with very low critical thinking. How exactly is a "right" defined? Isn't it simply what our governments allow us? Then it's dependent upon the government, and there is no such thing as an absolute right. So get a better argument than qq'ing "rights". Reiner Knizia-"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." Eve> FPS

Ryder Azorria Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 826	Posted - 2014.01.17 15:32:00 - [121] - Quote Can we please just let this abomination of a thread die?
Leonid Tybalt Dark Knightz Corp. 157	Posted - 2014.01.17 15:50:00 - [122] - Quote Ankbar Latrommi wrote: Leonid Tybalt wrote: Also to all you people who defend ccp by crying "EULA": the EULA isn't considered legal in all countries. So it Doesn't matter if you signed or agreed to something as a consumer, because if it's not recognised by the laws of the country you live in, then any kind of contract is automatically void. And your word is also worthless, because regardless of the legalities in your particular country, you as an individual agreed to the EULA. If you don't like it, don't agree to it and don't play the game. If you want to make an argument how EULA's should be simpler and in plain speech, I'll agree. But an agreement is an agreement, unless you support a culture of dishonesty with no real basis for trust. It doesn't matter if I as an individual accepted x or y. My countrys laws takes precedence to any bullshitw counter claim of corporations saying that I agreed to their bogus "contract". If I took this to court and sued them for false and misleading advertisment then I would win. Their EULA bullshit wouldn't hold up in court at all because ccp has by definition made themselves guilty of misleading advertisment in regards to bpo's (a little fine print line in the EULA dosen't outweigh a massive marketing campaign thats obviously misleading to the customer in my country, which is how it should be) I support any culture that rightfully sticks it to corporations using dishonest and underhanded business-tactics like ccp have done. So you're not in any position of lecturing me about ethics on the matter.
Ankbar Latrommi Immortal Guides 37	Posted - 2014.01.17 16:03:00 - [123] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: It doesn't matter if I as an individual accepted x or y. My countrys laws takes precedence to any bullshitw counter claim of corporations saying that I agreed to their bogus "contract". If you feel it's okay to use any excuse to dodge personal responsibility, I don't really care what else you have to say. Your morals are far enough different than mine that it's apples and bricks. I won't support any such position, and in fact would enjoy anyone dodging personal responsibility getting screwed. What can I say, I'm a sinner. Reiner Knizia-"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." Eve> FPS
Leonid Tybalt Dark Knightz Corp. 158	Posted - 2014.01.17 16:10:00 - [124] - Quote Ankbar Latrommi wrote: Leonid Tybalt wrote: It doesn't matter if I as an individual accepted x or y. My countrys laws takes precedence to any bullshitw counter claim of corporations saying that I agreed to their bogus "contract". If you feel it's okay to use any excuse to dodge personal responsibility, I don't really care what else you have to say. Your morals are far enough different than mine that it's apples and bricks. I won't support any such position, and in fact would enjoy anyone dodging personal responsibility getting screwed. What can I say, I'm a sinner. More like corporate slave if you ask me. You can't claim "personal responsibility" if your antagonist have purposefully decieved you (like ccp has done) Corporations serve a purpose sometimes, but they are also the enemy of supreme states, and needs to be kept on a tight Leah by government and laws. The tighter, the better.
THE GREY CARDINAL PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 403	Posted - 2014.01.17 16:50:00 - [125] - Quote I love how people talk about how they have standards yet often still engage with the products of these "evil and shady corporations." Oh yeah, great integrity to those standards. If I truly felt that a company was an dodgy/shady/** I would boycott them and their services like I did with Capcom after the on disc DLC news and the destruction of many of it's key franchises. So many stupid tools on these forums talk about how the game is, how CCP are liars, crooks, useless etc...and yet they stay. Maybe they're dumbass trolls or mentally weak people who are enslaved to the monetary and/ or time investment they've made in the game and can't bring themselves to walk away from it, or maybe they stay 'for the community'. Whatever, if you aren't willing to stand behind your convictions, talking the talk but bing too much of a *** to walk the walk then kindly STFU because no one really cares to hear you waffle on about you and your opinions. So weak, idiots. Electronic Warfare GOD in the making
Leonid Tybalt Dark Knightz Corp. 159	Posted - 2014.01.17 17:06:00 - [126] - Quote THE GREY CARDINAL wrote: I love how people talk about how they have standards yet often still engage with the products of these "evil and shady corporations." Oh yeah, great integrity to those standards. If I truly felt that a company was an dodgy/shady/** I would boycott them and their services like I did with Capcom after the on disc DLC news and the destruction of many of it's key franchises. So many stupid tools on these forums talk about how the game is, how CCP are liars, crooks, useless etc...and yet they stay. Maybe they're dumbass trolls or mentally weak people who are enslaved to the monetary and/ or time investment they've made in the game and can't bring themselves to walk away from it, or maybe they stay 'for the community'. Whatever, if you aren't willing to stand behind your convictions, talking the talk but bing too much of a * to walk the walk then kindly STFU because no one really cares to hear you waffle on about you and your opinions. So weak, idiots. Aww, felt better after that pat on your own shoulder? From a meta-political view, a boycott is largely useless since a few people boycotting a company will only marginally hurt their profits. It's not a very effective strategy to make them change their ways. More effective strategies include lawsuits, disclosing information to the press, slander etc. Anything that will bring third parties into the situation and serve to discourage other people from generating profits to the company in question. It's a questio of effectiveness really. Also personally I've never said that this game is ** (in fact I recently started a thread giving some credit to the developers), that doesn't mean that I have to approve of shady business-tactics on ccp's part. If you make a really tasty cake it doesn't excuse you from stabbing a baby with a pencil. But regardless of how heinous it might be to hurt a baby, it doesen't by definition make your skill in bakery bad.
DUST 514 Player 12345678914 Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 597	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:14:00 - [127] - Quote Karl Koekwaus wrote: Don't be surprised if CCP bans your account. it's common to ban acounts who had a credit card chargeback, I don't see how this is different. As CCP have absolved themselves of all responsibility by directing the customer to Sony I would argue that it is a matter entirely between Sony and the customer at that point. If Sony believes a refund is appropriate I can't see how CCP could believe they would be in any position to take some kind of punitive action. However, I'm not a CCP tragic so I probably can't see this through your tainted view. You have a lot to answer for.
Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 433	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:40:00 - [128] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: so I called and complained to sony for CCP's theft of my blueprints and they gave me a 10 dollar refund for 20k aur. I suggest to anyone else who wants their money instead of that worthless aur to call sony and let them know what pathetic gip bags ccp are and you want your money back... worked for me. edit: slightly changed title so idiots who don't read the thread and just think its a QQ thread wont bother posting an irrelevant response. I took it as you triumphantly QQing.
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 434	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:11:00 - [129] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: Ankbar Latrommi wrote: Leonid Tybalt wrote: It doesn't matter if I as an individual accepted x or y. My countrys laws takes precedence to any bullshitw counter claim of corporations saying that I agreed to their bogus "contract". If you feel it's okay to use any excuse to dodge personal responsibility, I don't really care what else you have to say. Your morals are far enough different than mine that it's apples and bricks. I won't support any such position, and in fact would enjoy anyone dodging personal responsibility getting screwed. What can I say, I'm a sinner. More like corporate slave if you ask me. You can't claim "personal responsibility" if your antagonist have purposefully decieved you (like ccp has done) Corporations serve a purpose sometimes, but they are also the enemy of supreme states, and needs to be kept on a tight Leash by government and laws. The tighter, the better. Wait governments can be trusted? What world do you live in? Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2876	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:17:00 - [130] - Quote THE GREY CARDINAL wrote: I love how people talk about how they have standards yet often still engage with the products of these "evil and shady corporations." Oh yeah, great integrity to those standards. If I truly felt that a company was an dodgy/shady/** I would boycott them and their services like I did with Capcom after the on disc DLC news and the destruction of many of it's key franchises. So many stupid tools on these forums talk about how the game is, how CCP are liars, crooks, useless etc...and yet they stay. Maybe they're dumbass trolls or mentally weak people who are enslaved to the monetary and/ or time investment they've made in the game and can't bring themselves to walk away from it, or maybe they stay 'for the community'. Whatever, if you aren't willing to stand behind your convictions, talking the talk but bing too much of a *** to walk the walk then kindly STFU because no one really cares to hear you waffle on about you and your opinions. So weak, idiots. I think those idiots grasp the concept of trying to fix a system before bailing, rather than declaring a loss at the first opportunity and destroying any chance of improvement. No.

Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2876	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:24:00 - [131] - Quote Ankbar Latrommi wrote: Leonid Tybalt wrote: It doesn't matter if I as an individual accepted x or y. My countrys laws takes precedence to any bullshitw counter claim of corporations saying that I agreed to their bogus "contract". If you feel it's okay to use any excuse to dodge personal responsibility, I don't really care what else you have to say. Your morals are far enough different than mine that it's apples and bricks. I won't support any such position, and in fact would enjoy anyone dodging personal responsibility getting screwed. What can I say, I'm a sinner. Personal responsibility is not a factor here. Trading standards exist to guarantee a minimum level of consumer rights. Without those, there would be an entire industry built around the ambiguous wording of contracts intended to exploit consumers. Those laws ensure that, no matter what, you have a minimum level of protection you can always rely upon. When you buy something, it's yours, etc etc. No.
Leonid Tybalt Dark Knightz Corp. 164	Posted - 2014.01.19 05:10:00 - [132] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: Leonid Tybalt wrote: Ankbar Latrommi wrote: Leonid Tybalt wrote: It doesn't matter if I as an individual accepted x or y. My countrys laws takes precedence to any bullshitw counter claim of corporations saying that I agreed to their bogus "contract". If you feel it's okay to use any excuse to dodge personal responsibility, I don't really care what else you have to say. Your morals are far enough different than mine that it's apples and bricks. I won't support any such position, and in fact would enjoy anyone dodging personal responsibility getting screwed. What can I say, I'm a sinner. More like corporate slave if you ask me. You can't claim "personal responsibility" if your antagonist have purposefully decieved you (like ccp has done) Corporations serve a purpose sometimes, but they are also the enemy of supreme states, and needs to be kept on a tight Leash by government and laws. The tighter, the better. Wait governments can be trusted? What world do you live in? I trust a democratically elected government over some greedy, self-serving capitalist ******* any day of the week. The only logical conclusion of a completely "free market" without any kind of government intervention is monopoly and cartel-forming. The strongest corporate entities eventually consume and absorb the smaller, weaker ones until there is only one single Corporate entity left that owns all the means of production and all viable surface of land that supports the means of production. And without a supreme democratic government to stop them, they'll eventually dabble in "different business ventures" like corporate security, private military endavours, arms manufacturing etc. But not with the goal to safeguard public interests or maintaining a democratic process. No, they would form their own armies purely for their own interests. This is what the oh so glorified "free market" would lead to in the end. Therefore market-independent governments are needed to keep private capitalistic ambitions on a tight leash and at gunpoint. You should be allowed to build companies that facilitate goods and services to the people, but that's as far as a non-democratically elected entity should be allowed to go. Amassing capital on sovreign government soil to such an extentw that you rival with the governments capital should be strictly forbidden, and upstart individuals who attempt to do so needs to be crushed as the threat to society that they are. I elected a president, senator, parliament councilman or whatever. Regardless of how rich or poor I may be, I still had the power and a constitutional right to partake in deciding that these people got their power. We do not, however get to choose or elect the board of directors or shareholders of, for example: the major banking institutions of the world. And considering how many people have been royally buttfucked by said institutions recently, i'm sure you can understand my sentiments towards capitalist scum/"liberals" and why I am less likely to trust them over a government that I at least could take part in electing.


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