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Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2190	Posted - 2013.12.17 19:40:00 - [1] - Quote And there you have it folks. They just won't stop will they? Pilots have made it very obvious that they want AV removed from the game. They have already proven multiple times that they will stop at nothing until their precious vehicles can go 60/0 without trying. AV has already been nerfed, and now they want to nerf AV weapons that fall under the Light Weapon category even further. You are not safe Swarm Launcher and Plasma Cannon Users. And I guarantee that it wouldn't be to far of a stretch to say that they will come for Forge Gun users in the near future as well. They have also already stated how they believe that AV should be required to use teamwork, yet HAVs themselves shouldn't. And at the same time they try to justify that with reasons so idiotic that even a 7 year old child could disprove it if they tried long enough. Remember when I said that if pilots ever got their wish, then PRO AV would be so worthless that nobody would ever want to use it over a Railgun? Remember when I said that if pilots ever got their wish, then DUST 514's matches would be determined by who has the most tanks on the field at the same time? Well nobody listed, and here is the result of that. You have this POS build where everyone would rather use an HAV or go as far as to strap Explosives on their LAVs and kill themselves, then use Anti-Vehicle weapons for Anti-Vehicle purposes. Do you want to play a game where the match is always decided by who has the most HAVs? Do you? If so, then by all means please do allow pilots to spew lies and BS everywhere about how AV is "fine". And to those who say, AV is fine. Please post a link of you killing a pilot with an IQ greater than 5 while using Anti-Vehicle weaponry. I'd even pay AUR to see it. If these pilots get there way with the second SL/PLC nerf, then I'm going to take a break. And no, you scrubs will not has my ISK. You don't even need it. That would go to my corp or KING CHECKMATE. And to the non-AV infantry, I have all but one question. "How long will you allow Tanker's "Logic" to ruin the game for you(us)? Also, I apologize in advance to the pilots who this does not encompass, as I am sure that this doesn't describe the ENTIRE community, as there is that small minority who actually want this game balanced. On an additional note, can anyone for the life of me please tell my why anyone should use AV over a MLT HAV? I'll give 1m ISK to the first one who can actually come up with a good reason. -HAND. DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2190	Posted - 2013.12.17 19:43:00 - [2] - Quote Reserved. DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 179	Posted - 2013.12.17 19:46:00 - [3] - Quote there isn't any reason to not go HAV my AV fit costs 80,000 ISK, I have to survive running at a tank, while his fitting is cheaper than mine ..... I die 3 times in the attempt, even if I succeed I lose ....
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 4117	Posted - 2013.12.17 19:46:00 - [4] - Quote Atiim wrote: And there you have it folks. They just won't stop will they? Pilots have made it very obvious that they want AV removed from the game. They have already proven multiple times that they will stop at nothing until their precious vehicles can go 60/0 without trying. AV has already been nerfed, and now they want to nerf AV weapons that fall under the Light Weapon category even further. You are not safe Swarm Launcher and Plasma Cannon Users. And I guarantee that it wouldn't be to far of a stretch to say that they will come for Forge Gun users in the near future as well. They have also already stated how they believe that AV should be required to use teamwork, yet HAVs themselves shouldn't. And at the same time they try to justify that with reasons so idiotic that even a 7 year old child could disprove it if they tried long enough. Remember when I said that if pilots ever got their wish, then PRO AV would be so worthless that nobody would ever want to use it over a Railgun? Remember when I said that if pilots ever got their wish, then DUST 514's matches would be determined by who has the most tanks on the field at the same time? Well nobody listed, and here is the result of that. You have this POS build where everyone would rather use an HAV or go as far as to strap Explosives on their LAVs and kill themselves, then use Anti-Vehicle weapons for Anti-Vehicle purposes. Do you want to play a game where the match is always decided by who has the most HAVs? Do you? If so, then by all means please do allow pilots to spew lies and BS everywhere about how AV is "fine". And to those who say, AV is fine. Please post a link of you killing a pilot with an IQ greater than 5 while using Anti-Vehicle weaponry. I'd even pay AUR to see it. If these pilots get there way with the second SL/PLC nerf, then I'm going to take a break. And no, you scrubs will not has my ISK. You don't even need it. That would go to my corp or KING CHECKMATE. And to the non-AV infantry, I have all but one question. "How long will you allow Tanker's "Logic" to ruin the game for you(us)? Also, I apologize in advance to the pilots who this does not encompass, as I am sure that this doesn't describe the ENTIRE community, as there is that small minority who actually want this game balanced. On an additional note, can anyone for the life of me please tell my why anyone should use AV over a MLT HAV? I'll give 1m ISK to the first one who can actually come up with a good reason. -HAND. So, wait, WHO was requesting another Swarm nerf? Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
drake sadani Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 103	Posted - 2013.12.17 19:46:00 - [5] - Quote TL;DR version , tank players say keep nerfing AV . AV says boost us back so we don't get owned tank players say use better tactics . AV says maybe you should use better tactics tankers tank players say we don't have to . we're tanks while mommy AV and tanker daddy fight the little 514 gamers are not getting fed and are being neglected
Yoma Carrim Situation Normal all fraked up 134	Posted - 2013.12.17 19:48:00 - [6] - Quote Where is the link to the tread calling for a swarm nerf? As a tanker I would very much like to rip these idiots a new one. I should not be able to passive shield regen through a friken AV Volley When you turn a corner and find the entire enemy team.Oh Heck Logi, Tanker, Heavy
TheBLAZZED VENGEANCE FOR HIRE 160	Posted - 2013.12.17 19:48:00 - [7] - Quote What are you talking about? Link to tankers wanting another nerf pls
Commander Tzu L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 85	Posted - 2013.12.17 19:49:00 - [8] - Quote You can't win the argument logically, so now you resort to using complete fabrications. I have not seen or heard a single vehicle user asking for another AV nerf. Obvious troll is obvious.
Commander Tzu L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 85	Posted - 2013.12.17 19:50:00 - [9] - Quote drake sadani wrote: TL;DR version , tank players say keep nerfing AV . AV says boost us back so we don't get owned tank players say use better tactics . AV says maybe you should use better tactics tankers tank players say we don't have to . we're tanks while mommy AV and tanker daddy fight the little 514 gamers are not getting fed and are being neglected Tankers don't use tactics, right. So why were so many AV complaining when they got killed by the infantry the tank was working with?
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 3817	Posted - 2013.12.17 19:51:00 - [10] - Quote Tanks complaining about AV. AV complaining about HAVs. We have once again, achieved Chromosone like vehicle balance. Hopefully tomorrow's nerf is a big enough one to stop the complaining, but I'm hoping that CCP mess up again, and give HAVs warp like speeds, y'know, just for lolz. Killmail :O

TheBLAZZED VENGEANCE FOR HIRE 160	Posted - 2013.12.17 19:52:00 - [11] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: there isn't any reason to not go HAV my AV fit costs 80,000 ISK, I have to survive running at a tank, while his fitting is cheaper than mine ..... I die 3 times in the attempt, even if I succeed I lose .... My tank is 500k+. You kill me in 3 attempts, that'd be a win. But I still see your point.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 875	Posted - 2013.12.17 19:52:00 - [12] - Quote Atiim, whoever told you they still want AV nerfed is a complete and utter dumbass. don't even give credence to what they are saying. that person is a POS and the reason this game is not as good as it could be. i'm willing to bet even the majority of tankers would agree with this. Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 492	Posted - 2013.12.17 19:52:00 - [13] - Quote drake sadani wrote: TL;DR version , tank players say keep nerfing AV . AV says boost us back so we don't get owned tank players say use better tactics . AV says maybe you should use better tactics tankers tank players say we don't have to . we're tanks while mommy AV and tanker daddy fight the little 514 gamers are not getting fed and are being neglected All the while Uncle Dropships is killing everyone. Dropship Specialist Kills- Incubus: 3; Pythons: 0; Other DS: 26; Tanks: 12 Gêå2 12/17
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4984	Posted - 2013.12.17 19:55:00 - [14] - Quote Atiim wrote: And there you have it folks. They just won't stop will they? Pilots have made it very obvious that they want AV removed from the game. They have already proven multiple times that they will stop at nothing until their precious vehicles can go 60/0 without trying. AV has already been nerfed, and now they want to nerf AV weapons that fall under the Light Weapon category even further. You are not safe Swarm Launcher and Plasma Cannon Users. And I guarantee that it wouldn't be to far of a stretch to say that they will come for Forge Gun users in the near future as well. They have also already stated how they believe that AV should be required to use teamwork, yet HAVs themselves shouldn't. And at the same time they try to justify that with reasons so idiotic that even a 7 year old child could disprove it if they tried long enough. Remember when I said that if pilots ever got their wish, then PRO AV would be so worthless that nobody would ever want to use it over a Railgun? Remember when I said that if pilots ever got their wish, then DUST 514's matches would be determined by who has the most tanks on the field at the same time? Well nobody listed, and here is the result of that. You have this POS build where everyone would rather use an HAV or go as far as to strap Explosives on their LAVs and kill themselves, then use Anti-Vehicle weapons for Anti-Vehicle purposes. Do you want to play a game where the match is always decided by who has the most HAVs? Do you? If so, then by all means please do allow pilots to spew lies and BS everywhere about how AV is "fine". And to those who say, AV is fine. Please post a link of you killing a pilot with an IQ greater than 5 while using Anti-Vehicle weaponry. I'd even pay AUR to see it. If these pilots get there way with the second SL/PLC nerf, then I'm going to take a break. And no, you scrubs will not has my ISK. You don't even need it. That would go to my corp or KING CHECKMATE. And to the non-AV infantry, I have all but one question. "How long will you allow Tanker's "Logic" to ruin the game for you(us)? Also, I apologize in advance to the pilots who this does not encompass, as I am sure that this doesn't describe the ENTIRE community, as there is that small minority who actually want this game balanced. On an additional note, can anyone for the life of me please tell my why anyone should use AV over a MLT HAV? I'll give 1m ISK to the first one who can actually come up with a good reason. -HAND. Who said this? They truly are stupid. AV isn't all that bad, I claimed a few tanks on Harkon last night, AVed two MLT Soma with Remotes, and spend more time taking down other HAV in my Soma/Maddy. Infantry is just there/around so I don't kill them unless they get in my way. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
Commander Tzu L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 85	Posted - 2013.12.17 19:56:00 - [15] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: Atiim, whoever told you they still want AV nerfed is a complete and utter dumbass. don't even give credence to what they are saying. that person is a POS and the reason this game is not as good as it could be. i'm willing to bet even the majority of tankers would agree with this. Only way he heard it from someone is if it came from one of the voices in his head, but I'm pretty sure he made it up; even they aren't crazy enough to say something like that.
drake sadani Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 106	Posted - 2013.12.17 20:03:00 - [16] - Quote Commander Tzu wrote: drake sadani wrote: TL;DR version , tank players say keep nerfing AV . AV says boost us back so we don't get owned tank players say use better tactics . AV says maybe you should use better tactics tankers tank players say we don't have to . we're tanks while mommy AV and tanker daddy fight the little 514 gamers are not getting fed and are being neglected Tankers don't use tactics, right. So why were so many AV complaining when they got killed by the infantry the tank was working with? i am simply tanking a large post and making it bite sized for people who cannot read lots . personally i have seen tanks use tactics . but not often . now i have seen four sicas working in tandem with shield hardeners to grief MLT players . pretty sure the MLT guys left after that
Dengar Skirata the third day Public Disorder. 39	Posted - 2013.12.17 20:04:00 - [17] - Quote AV was over nerfed, just like the flaylock. Think about it. Flaylock is OP, so we nerf flaylock and then buff other weapons by giving them aim assist. Nerfing the flaylock would have been fine, and buffing other weapons would have been fine, but instead CCP did both, and now look at the flaylock. The same thing has happened to AV weapons. AV is OP, so we nerf it, and then buff vehicles. Nerfing AV would have been fine, and buffing vehicles would have been fine, but, once again, CCP overdid it, and look at AV vs vehicles now. In my opinion, the vehicles are almost balanced, but not quite yet. RIP flaylock RIP AV // Author of the Dust Spec Ops Tactics Handbook // Proud Member of the Templis Dragonaurs // Caldari Loyalist
drake sadani Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 106	Posted - 2013.12.17 20:07:00 - [18] - Quote Dengar Skirata wrote: AV was over nerfed, just like the flaylock. almost balanced, but not quite yet. RIP flaylock RIP AV flay what ? -_-
Cosgar ParagonX 8837	Posted - 2013.12.17 20:08:00 - [19] - Quote Like jerkass AV, there's jerkass tankers. We need to stop listening to the jerkasses for once. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Commander Tzu L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 86	Posted - 2013.12.17 20:08:00 - [20] - Quote drake sadani wrote: Commander Tzu wrote: drake sadani wrote: TL;DR version , tank players say keep nerfing AV . AV says boost us back so we don't get owned tank players say use better tactics . AV says maybe you should use better tactics tankers tank players say we don't have to . we're tanks while mommy AV and tanker daddy fight the little 514 gamers are not getting fed and are being neglected Tankers don't use tactics, right. So why were so many AV complaining when they got killed by the infantry the tank was working with? i am simply tanking a large post and making it bite sized for people who cannot read lots . personally i have seen tanks use tactics . but not often . now i have seen four sicas working in tandem with shield hardeners to grief MLT players . pretty sure the MLT guys left after that TBH I saw a long post by Atiim and figured 90% was lies or total crap so I just read your helpful summary and responded to it as I would him =D. Anyway, I got completely ****** when I first started playing tanks in chromosome, I started with MLT and got killed by proto maddys/gunnis/AV and went negative for freakin ever until I got enough SP to really round out my fit. I stayed, and lots of other people did too. I agree the new player experience needs to be 1000x better, but we can't change the whole game to pander to the people who will quit as soon as they face an uneven team, which happens sometimes in every multiplayer PvP game.

Commander Tzu L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 86	Posted - 2013.12.17 20:12:00 - [21] - Quote Dengar Skirata wrote: AV was over nerfed, just like the flaylock. Think about it. Flaylock is OP, so we nerf flaylock and then buff other weapons by giving them aim assist. Nerfing the flaylock would have been fine, and buffing other weapons would have been fine, but instead CCP did both, and now look at the flaylock. The same thing has happened to AV weapons. AV is OP, so we nerf it, and then buff vehicles. Nerfing AV would have been fine, and buffing vehicles would have been fine, but, once again, CCP overdid it, and look at AV vs vehicles now. In my opinion, the vehicles are almost balanced, but not quite yet. RIP flaylock RIP AV Lol no offense but thats exactly what happened with Uprising, they nerfed tanks and then buffed AV so everything was ******. Honestly though wait for the speed changes tomorrow, without hardeners tanks are paper thin, when they run multi hardeners they have crap EHP and rep. So when they get slower: Tanks won't be able to get away as fast when their mods enter cooldown, and hardener tanks won't be able to get away from damage they are taking as fast so they will be whittled down to nothing. Unless you use a Forge gun, those things hurt like hell; I'm glad to see Heavies actually getting a role based on the fact they are supposed to be specialized AV.
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 850	Posted - 2013.12.17 20:15:00 - [22] - Quote what the kitten are you talking about? could you link something? "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout, tanker. CLOSED BETA VET
drake sadani Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 107	Posted - 2013.12.17 20:15:00 - [23] - Quote Quote: TBH I saw a long post by Atiim and figured 90% was lies or total crap so I just read your helpful summary and responded to it as I would him =D. Anyway, I got completely ****** when I first started playing tanks in chromosome, I started with MLT and got killed by proto maddys/gunnis/AV and went negative for freakin ever until I got enough SP to really round out my fit. I stayed, and lots of other people did too. I agree the new player experience needs to be 1000x better, but we can't change the whole game to pander to the people who will quit as soon as they face an uneven team, which happens sometimes in every multiplayer PvP game. certainly it happened to me a lot on many other games . but i had some kind of recourse to at least keep my head above water . right now the game is holding new players under the surface and drowning them . any kind of recourse. as a example . i used to play battlefield . bad comp and 3 . we would get camped all the time . i would get killed 20 times in a row . but . i felt fine with that because every now and again i could take a guided rocket and put it in someones teeth . or i could get away and do something besides die . it would be difficult. but i could do it . the situation we have now is there is nothing you can do as a noob. you have a swam launcher that does nothing noticeable AV nades that somewhat help but you have to get in tankity tanks face . and we have a heavy forge but if yo go right into that you end up neglecting the skills you need to survive normal person to person combat
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2196	Posted - 2013.12.17 20:35:00 - [24] - Quote Yoma Carrim wrote: Where is the link to the tread calling for a swarm nerf? As a tanker I would very much like to rip these idiots a new one. I should not be able to passive shield regen through a friken AV Volley @work, but will link when I get the chance. DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.
Commander Tzu L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 89	Posted - 2013.12.17 20:39:00 - [25] - Quote Atiim wrote: Yoma Carrim wrote: Where is the link to the tread calling for a swarm nerf? As a tanker I would very much like to rip these idiots a new one. I should not be able to passive shield regen through a friken AV Volley @work, but will link when I get the chance. So, basically you're just as useless at work as you are on the forums?
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 393	Posted - 2013.12.17 20:40:00 - [26] - Quote Who said this? I am on the forums a lot maybe not as much as you Atiim nut I have not seen a single tanker request an AV nerf. Tanker/Logi Tanks almost fixed.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 882	Posted - 2013.12.17 20:41:00 - [27] - Quote Commander Tzu wrote: Atiim wrote: Yoma Carrim wrote: Where is the link to the tread calling for a swarm nerf? As a tanker I would very much like to rip these idiots a new one. I should not be able to passive shield regen through a friken AV Volley @work, but will link when I get the chance. So, basically you're just as useless at work as you are on the forums? and you are? Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 367	Posted - 2013.12.17 20:54:00 - [28] - Quote Atiim wrote: And there you have it folks. They just won't stop will they? Pilots have made it very obvious that they want AV removed from the game. They have already proven multiple times that they will stop at nothing until their precious vehicles can go 60/0 without trying. AV has already been nerfed, and now they want to nerf AV weapons that fall under the Light Weapon category even further. You are not safe Swarm Launcher and Plasma Cannon Users. And I guarantee that it wouldn't be to far of a stretch to say that they will come for Forge Gun users in the near future as well. They have also already stated how they believe that AV should be required to use teamwork, yet HAVs themselves shouldn't. And at the same time they try to justify that with reasons so idiotic that even a 7 year old child could disprove it if they tried long enough. Remember when I said that if pilots ever got their wish, then PRO AV would be so worthless that nobody would ever want to use it over a Railgun? Remember when I said that if pilots ever got their wish, then DUST 514's matches would be determined by who has the most tanks on the field at the same time? Well nobody listed, and here is the result of that. You have this POS build where everyone would rather use an HAV or go as far as to strap Explosives on their LAVs and kill themselves, then use Anti-Vehicle weapons for Anti-Vehicle purposes. Do you want to play a game where the match is always decided by who has the most HAVs? Do you? If so, then by all means please do allow pilots to spew lies and BS everywhere about how AV is "fine". And to those who say, AV is fine. Please post a link of you killing a pilot with an IQ greater than 5 while using Anti-Vehicle weaponry. I'd even pay AUR to see it. If these pilots get there way with the second SL/PLC nerf, then I'm going to take a break. And no, you scrubs will not has my ISK. You don't even need it. That would go to my corp or KING CHECKMATE. And to the non-AV infantry, I have all but one question. "How long will you allow Tanker's "Logic" to ruin the game for you(us)? Also, I apologize in advance to the pilots who this does not encompass, as I am sure that this doesn't describe the ENTIRE community, as there is that small minority who actually want this game balanced. On an additional note, can anyone for the life of me please tell my why anyone should use AV over a MLT HAV? I'll give 1m ISK to the first one who can actually come up with a good reason. -HAND. I am totally with you as I fought the same fight for quite some time now. But it seems tankers will only be happy when there is no more infantry on weapons :/.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1509	Posted - 2013.12.17 21:03:00 - [29] - Quote For someone that calls himself a tanker, you sure don't mind cutting off your hands, feet, and nose because you don't like them. I told you you weren't a tanker. You've never defended any build of them. You need to use AV to destroy vehicles instead of your own tank. I've completely stopped using forge guns since 1.7. I could probably delete 90% of my infantry fits because now all I want to do is tank. Stop calling yourself a tanker. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1509	Posted - 2013.12.17 21:04:00 - [30] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: there isn't any reason to not go HAV my AV fit costs 80,000 ISK, I have to survive running at a tank, while his fitting is cheaper than mine ..... I die 3 times in the attempt, even if I succeed I lose .... Sorry, CCP took out the no risk all reward aspect of AV. And are you talking about MLT? Are you using PRO? Of course MLT will be cheaper than PRO. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.

Anmol Singh The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 556	Posted - 2013.12.17 21:04:00 - [31] - Quote Atiim wrote: And there you have it folks. They just won't stop will they? Pilots have made it very obvious that they want AV removed from the game. They have already proven multiple times that they will stop at nothing until their precious vehicles can go 60/0 without trying. AV has already been nerfed, and now they want to nerf AV weapons that fall under the Light Weapon category even further. You are not safe Swarm Launcher and Plasma Cannon Users. And I guarantee that it wouldn't be to far of a stretch to say that they will come for Forge Gun users in the near future as well. They have also already stated how they believe that AV should be required to use teamwork, yet HAVs themselves shouldn't. And at the same time they try to justify that with reasons so idiotic that even a 7 year old child could disprove it if they tried long enough. Remember when I said that if pilots ever got their wish, then PRO AV would be so worthless that nobody would ever want to use it over a Railgun? Remember when I said that if pilots ever got their wish, then DUST 514's matches would be determined by who has the most tanks on the field at the same time? Well nobody listed, and here is the result of that. You have this POS build where everyone would rather use an HAV or go as far as to strap Explosives on their LAVs and kill themselves, then use Anti-Vehicle weapons for Anti-Vehicle purposes. Do you want to play a game where the match is always decided by who has the most HAVs? Do you? If so, then by all means please do allow pilots to spew lies and BS everywhere about how AV is "fine". And to those who say, AV is fine. Please post a link of you killing a pilot with an IQ greater than 5 while using Anti-Vehicle weaponry. I'd even pay AUR to see it. If these pilots get there way with the second SL/PLC nerf, then I'm going to take a break. And no, you scrubs will not has my ISK. You don't even need it. That would go to my corp or KING CHECKMATE. And to the non-AV infantry, I have all but one question. "How long will you allow Tanker's "Logic" to ruin the game for you(us)? Also, I apologize in advance to the pilots who this does not encompass, as I am sure that this doesn't describe the ENTIRE community, as there is that small minority who actually want this game balanced. On an additional note, can anyone for the life of me please tell my why anyone should use AV over a MLT HAV? I'll give 1m ISK to the first one who can actually come up with a good reason. -HAND. Teach me who this is.... *Sagaris lover!!!* Commando <3
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1509	Posted - 2013.12.17 21:06:00 - [32] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Atiim wrote: And there you have it folks. They just won't stop will they? Pilots have made it very obvious that they want AV removed from the game. They have already proven multiple times that they will stop at nothing until their precious vehicles can go 60/0 without trying. AV has already been nerfed, and now they want to nerf AV weapons that fall under the Light Weapon category even further. You are not safe Swarm Launcher and Plasma Cannon Users. And I guarantee that it wouldn't be to far of a stretch to say that they will come for Forge Gun users in the near future as well. They have also already stated how they believe that AV should be required to use teamwork, yet HAVs themselves shouldn't. And at the same time they try to justify that with reasons so idiotic that even a 7 year old child could disprove it if they tried long enough. Remember when I said that if pilots ever got their wish, then PRO AV would be so worthless that nobody would ever want to use it over a Railgun? Remember when I said that if pilots ever got their wish, then DUST 514's matches would be determined by who has the most tanks on the field at the same time? Well nobody listed, and here is the result of that. You have this POS build where everyone would rather use an HAV or go as far as to strap Explosives on their LAVs and kill themselves, then use Anti-Vehicle weapons for Anti-Vehicle purposes. Do you want to play a game where the match is always decided by who has the most HAVs? Do you? If so, then by all means please do allow pilots to spew lies and BS everywhere about how AV is "fine". And to those who say, AV is fine. Please post a link of you killing a pilot with an IQ greater than 5 while using Anti-Vehicle weaponry. I'd even pay AUR to see it. If these pilots get there way with the second SL/PLC nerf, then I'm going to take a break. And no, you scrubs will not has my ISK. You don't even need it. That would go to my corp or KING CHECKMATE. And to the non-AV infantry, I have all but one question. "How long will you allow Tanker's "Logic" to ruin the game for you(us)? Also, I apologize in advance to the pilots who this does not encompass, as I am sure that this doesn't describe the ENTIRE community, as there is that small minority who actually want this game balanced. On an additional note, can anyone for the life of me please tell my why anyone should use AV over a MLT HAV? I'll give 1m ISK to the first one who can actually come up with a good reason. -HAND. So, wait, WHO was requesting another Swarm nerf? Nobody was, and the ones that are saying it are doing it to inflame infantry and troll. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Jason Pearson 3504	Posted - 2013.12.17 21:08:00 - [33] - Quote Post who so we can laugh. It's that simple, anyone sane doesn't want AV nerfed. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire. Buffing or Debuffing Vehicles or AV will never fix anything.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1509	Posted - 2013.12.17 21:09:00 - [34] - Quote drake sadani wrote: TL;DR version , tank players say keep nerfing AV . AV says boost us back so we don't get owned tank players say use better tactics . AV says maybe you should use better tactics tankers tank players say we don't have to . we're tanks while mommy AV and tanker daddy fight the little 514 gamers are not getting fed and are being neglected We've been told to HTFU by infantry for a very long time. Now, we have situations like in Chromosome again, where a tank is its own best counter, and to infantry, the game is completely broken. They say it's not fair they should have to squad with a tanker to counter tanks. They tell us to squad with slayer infantry to counter AV. Well guess what, I'm more intelligent than AV, as countless threads post-Uprising deployment have proven, that infantry was still complaining about tanks. Now infantry is seeing what it's like to be on the other side. And they sure don't like it. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1509	Posted - 2013.12.17 21:10:00 - [35] - Quote Yoma Carrim wrote: Where is the link to the tread calling for a swarm nerf? As a tanker I would very much like to rip these idiots a new one. I should not be able to passive shield regen through a friken AV Volley These are the changes infantry forced on CCP. Be happy with them. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Commander Tzu L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 96	Posted - 2013.12.17 21:12:00 - [36] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: Commander Tzu wrote: Atiim wrote: Yoma Carrim wrote: Where is the link to the tread calling for a swarm nerf? As a tanker I would very much like to rip these idiots a new one. I should not be able to passive shield regen through a friken AV Volley @work, but will link when I get the chance. So, basically you're just as useless at work as you are on the forums? and you are? Abso-*******-lutely.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1509	Posted - 2013.12.17 21:14:00 - [37] - Quote Dengar Skirata wrote: AV was over nerfed, just like the flaylock. Think about it. Flaylock is OP, so we nerf flaylock and then buff other weapons by giving them aim assist. Nerfing the flaylock would have been fine, and buffing other weapons would have been fine, but instead CCP did both, and now look at the flaylock. The same thing has happened to AV weapons. AV is OP, so we nerf it, and then buff vehicles. Nerfing AV would have been fine, and buffing vehicles would have been fine, but, once again, CCP overdid it, and look at AV vs vehicles now. In my opinion, the vehicles are almost balanced, but not quite yet. RIP flaylock RIP AV Infantry forced the vehicle change on CCP with their incessant whining. If CCP didn't nerf AV at all, do you really think anybody would tank anymore? Then again, that's the end game isn't it, have the cards so badly stacked against vehicles that nobody uses them. CCP nerfed AV commensurate with the tank nerf. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1509	Posted - 2013.12.17 21:17:00 - [38] - Quote drake sadani wrote: Quote: TBH I saw a long post by Atiim and figured 90% was lies or total crap so I just read your helpful summary and responded to it as I would him =D. Anyway, I got completely ****** when I first started playing tanks in chromosome, I started with MLT and got killed by proto maddys/gunnis/AV and went negative for freakin ever until I got enough SP to really round out my fit. I stayed, and lots of other people did too. I agree the new player experience needs to be 1000x better, but we can't change the whole game to pander to the people who will quit as soon as they face an uneven team, which happens sometimes in every multiplayer PvP game. certainly it happened to me a lot on many other games . but i had some kind of recourse to at least keep my head above water . right now the game is holding new players under the surface and drowning them . any kind of recourse. as a example . i used to play battlefield . bad comp and 3 . we would get camped all the time . i would get killed 20 times in a row . but . i felt fine with that because every now and again i could take a guided rocket and put it in someones teeth . or i could get away and do something besides die . it would be difficult. but i could do it . the situation we have now is there is nothing you can do as a noob. you have a swam launcher that does nothing noticeable AV nades that somewhat help but you have to get in tankity tanks face . and we have a heavy forge but if yo go right into that you end up neglecting the skills you need to survive normal person to person combat It's all about choices, and making sacrifices to build up something strong. I sacrifice being infantry to be a tanker. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 850	Posted - 2013.12.17 21:25:00 - [39] - Quote open the safe OP! tankers and AV a like have no Idea what you are talking about. deliver the link! "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout, tanker. CLOSED BETA VET
Daddrobit PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 394	Posted - 2013.12.17 21:35:00 - [40] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: They tell us to squad with slayer infantry to counter AV. Because by -Default- you as a tanker are placed in every match with infantry, even if you yourself aren't squaded with someone, you will have infantry to help you and take out the AV for you. As infantry, there is -Zero- guarantee that I will have a tanker on my own team. Spkr4theDead wrote: And are you talking about MLT? Are you using PRO? Of course MLT will be cheaper than PRO. Because that's what's required to destroy a militia tank at the moment short of RE-LAVs. To be quite honest, I really don't understand why CCP didn't take this tank "re-balance" as the time to implement the advanced and proto levels of tanks and finally be able to gauge militia to proto AV against their vehicle counterparts. Because with the way it is now, nothing will be able to stop the upper tiers when they come out and they will again be forced to do a massive "re-balance" to say nothing of when they implement the other faction variants.

Stinker Butt Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 202	Posted - 2013.12.17 21:37:00 - [41] - Quote Atiim wrote: And there you have it folks. They just won't stop will they? Pilots have made it very obvious that they want AV removed from the game. They have already proven multiple times that they will stop at nothing until their precious vehicles can go 60/0 without trying. AV has already been nerfed, and now they want to nerf AV weapons that fall under the Light Weapon category even further. You are not safe Swarm Launcher and Plasma Cannon Users. And I guarantee that it wouldn't be to far of a stretch to say that they will come for Forge Gun users in the near future as well. They have also already stated how they believe that AV should be required to use teamwork, yet HAVs themselves shouldn't. And at the same time they try to justify that with reasons so idiotic that even a 7 year old child could disprove it if they tried long enough. Remember when I said that if pilots ever got their wish, then PRO AV would be so worthless that nobody would ever want to use it over a Railgun? Remember when I said that if pilots ever got their wish, then DUST 514's matches would be determined by who has the most tanks on the field at the same time? Well nobody listed, and here is the result of that. You have this POS build where everyone would rather use an HAV or go as far as to strap Explosives on their LAVs and kill themselves, then use Anti-Vehicle weapons for Anti-Vehicle purposes. Do you want to play a game where the match is always decided by who has the most HAVs? Do you? If so, then by all means please do allow pilots to spew lies and BS everywhere about how AV is "fine". And to those who say, AV is fine. Please post a link of you killing a pilot with an IQ greater than 5 while using Anti-Vehicle weaponry. I'd even pay AUR to see it. If these pilots get there way with the second SL/PLC nerf, then I'm going to take a break. And no, you scrubs will not has my ISK. You don't even need it. That would go to my corp or KING CHECKMATE. And to the non-AV infantry, I have all but one question. "How long will you allow Tanker's "Logic" to ruin the game for you(us)? Also, I apologize in advance to the pilots who this does not encompass, as I am sure that this doesn't describe the ENTIRE community, as there is that small minority who actually want this game balanced. On an additional note, can anyone for the life of me please tell my why anyone should use AV over a MLT HAV? I'll give 1m ISK to the first one who can actually come up with a good reason. -HAND. I haven't seen the swarm nerf post yet, but I don't doubt it. I have seen a few posts from tankers saying the Ishukone Assault Forge is still too strong. It is funny to me that this and suicide are the only real ways of killing a tank and they want both nerfed. But I'm still not surprised. It's just my opinion, but I don't consider friendly tank spamming a reasonable way to try and prevent opponent tank spamming. It leads to exactly the same problems, no matter which side has them. Tomorrows "slight" speed reduction is very unlikely to be enough to make much difference. But I am glad to see CCP has eased off of the nerf sledge hammer that they are so well known for. This particular problem is going to require more than a love tap. Someone up high in CCP might be a tanker. But they don't really play their own game, so probably not.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 985	Posted - 2013.12.17 21:52:00 - [42] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: Atiim, whoever told you they still want AV nerfed is a complete and utter dumbass. don't even give credence to what they are saying. that person is a POS and the reason this game is not as good as it could be. i'm willing to bet even the majority of tankers would agree with this. Off topic: A Biscuit gains Valor by not running from the battle and that is if the Biscuit lives and does not die during that first battle. Why Biscuit? Easy to eat and chew up by enemy arrows, spears, axes and cutlasses. Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
Suanar Daranaus Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 94	Posted - 2013.12.17 21:55:00 - [43] - Quote Commander Tzu wrote: You can't win the argument logically, so now you resort to using complete fabrications. I have not seen or heard a single vehicle user asking for another AV nerf. Obvious troll is obvious. READ the forums ! it's in there....
Our Deepest Regret L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 390	Posted - 2013.12.17 22:06:00 - [44] - Quote Who is this man who says to nerf AV? PRESENT HIM! We shall hang him by his lower canal on a rusty coat hook. We shall poke him with spears, and the children shall dance under his sprinkling blood, licking it from the air like snowflakes in winter. We shall put out his eyes, and replace them with shards of glass! It's going to get real SAW 1-6 plus 3-D, up in this mother ******! But first we must know his name, Attim. WHAT IS HIS NAME?!
Driver Cole Nor Clan Combat Logistics 6	Posted - 2013.12.17 22:08:00 - [45] - Quote [/quote] My tank is 500k+. You kill me in 3 attempts, that'd be a win. But I still see your point.[/quote] You're tank cost 500k, my dropship cost 400k what modules do you have on it?
Our Deepest Regret L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 391	Posted - 2013.12.17 22:20:00 - [46] - Quote Driver Cole wrote: You're tank cost 500k, my dropship cost 400k what modules do you have on it? HAV's in the 500k range use proto turrets, and complex hardeners.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2198	Posted - 2013.12.17 22:42:00 - [47] - Quote I know what you guys want to see, so here are the links. These people want Swarm Launchers (and technically PLCs) nerfed to the point where they can only destroy LAVs. Thread #1: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129211 Thread #2: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129835&find=unread inb4 tankers saying "This seems like a good idea" DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.
Lorhak Gannarsein 740	Posted - 2013.12.17 23:05:00 - [48] - Quote Atiim wrote: I know what you guys want to see, so here are the links. These people want Swarm Launchers (and technically PLCs) nerfed to the point where they can only destroy LAVs. Thread #1: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129211 Thread #2: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129835&find=unread inb4 tankers saying "This seems like a good idea" Is your reading comprehension that bad? They're saying 'stop QQing because your swarms won't kill tanks! That's a forge's job!' And that's it. Neither mentions nerfing at all in either post. (Unnecessary line break) Guess OP was an utter fabrication after all? And who listens to Anmol anyway? (BTW Spkr, most of us don't sacrifice infantry to have a competent tank - I've got a proto logi with a full rack of proto equips on top of my proto turret'ed tank. >Cosgar: You know, tanks are actually paper thin once their modules are in cooldown.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2203	Posted - 2013.12.17 23:10:00 - [49] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Is your reading comprehension that bad? They're saying 'stop QQing because your swarms won't kill tanks! That's a forge's job!' And that's it. Neither mentions nerfing at all in either post. (Unnecessary line break) Guess OP was an utter fabrication after all? And who listens to Anmol anyway? (BTW Spkr, most of us don't sacrifice infantry to have a competent tank - I've got a proto logi with a full rack of proto equips on top of my proto turret'ed tank. This wasn't the only two times, as many other posts have actually said to nerf SLs to make it to where they can only kill LAVs. I linked those two because I am still fishing through the forums for the rest. Who should we listen to? I can pull up almost anything about what a LOLTank Brigadier said and you would probably say "Well who listens to him/her anyways. And stop with the unnecessary line breaks already! Why does everyone keep doing this. DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.
Commander Tzu L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 97	Posted - 2013.12.17 23:12:00 - [50] - Quote Atiim wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Is your reading comprehension that bad? They're saying 'stop QQing because your swarms won't kill tanks! That's a forge's job!' And that's it. Neither mentions nerfing at all in either post. (Unnecessary line break) Guess OP was an utter fabrication after all? And who listens to Anmol anyway? (BTW Spkr, most of us don't sacrifice infantry to have a competent tank - I've got a proto logi with a full rack of proto equips on top of my proto turret'ed tank. This wasn't the only two times, as many other posts have actually said to nerf SLs to make it to where they can only kill LAVs. I linked those two because I am still fishing through the forums for the rest. Who should we listen to? I can pull up almost anything about what a LOLTank Brigadier said and you would probably say "Well who listens to him/her anyways. And stop with the unnecessary line breaks already! Why does everyone keep doing this. So you give two examples of people NOT asking AV to be nerfed as evidence of all the other people asking for it? Makes total sense. /sarcasm EDIT: Line breaks can be useful if you don't want everything you say to be one homogenous blob.

Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 308	Posted - 2013.12.17 23:13:00 - [51] - Quote Wait, what smart tanker would call for that? Sounds like we just need to ignore these "Tankers" calling for a swarm nerf. Sounds like a bunch of scrubs to me. Nuff Said
Lorhak Gannarsein 740	Posted - 2013.12.17 23:18:00 - [52] - Quote Atiim wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Is your reading comprehension that bad? They're saying 'stop QQing because your swarms won't kill tanks! That's a forge's job!' And that's it. Neither mentions nerfing at all in either post. (Unnecessary line break) Guess OP was an utter fabrication after all? And who listens to Anmol anyway? (BTW Spkr, most of us don't sacrifice infantry to have a competent tank - I've got a proto logi with a full rack of proto equips on top of my proto turret'ed tank. This wasn't the only two times, as many other posts have actually said to nerf SLs to make it to where they can only kill LAVs. I linked those two because I am still fishing through the forums for the rest. Who should we listen to? I can pull up almost anything about what a LOLTank Brigadier said and you would probably say "Well who listens to him/her anyways. And stop with the unnecessary line breaks already! Why does everyone keep doing this. I Hear It Annoys you. Then you need to find those ones first, before posting irrelevant ones. I was fully prepared to believe that some of us had said that (by the way, it's something O'Dell and others have been suggesting for months). >Cosgar: You know, tanks are actually paper thin once their modules are in cooldown.
Omareth Nasadra Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 203	Posted - 2013.12.17 23:18:00 - [53] - Quote thing is theres so many god awfull tanker atm you can still kill them with AV with ease, killed something like 20+ tanks yesterday night with adv swarm and grenade, but when you face a decent tanker with a good fit, even my proto AV suit didnt bother them, and i had a proto forge support as well, its a bit unbalanced atm, we gonna see tomorrow with the speed nerf how it goes, but i definitly want my pre-1.7 damage for AV back to deal with the good tanks out there Minmatar, In rust we trust!!! Omareth Nasadra/Erynyes
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2203	Posted - 2013.12.17 23:23:00 - [54] - Quote Commander Tzu wrote: So you give two examples of people NOT asking AV to be nerfed as evidence of all the other people asking for it? Makes total sense. /sarcasm EDIT: Line breaks can be useful if you don't want everything you say to be one homogenous blob. Man, I haven't seen you since you lost that bet about me being not being a tanker. (I wasn't gonna give you pizza anyways lol) Along with that, I believe it's because your a tanker, but I just so happen to believe that my AV weapon only being able to take out LAVs is a NERF. Also, I said in the OP that this doesn't encompass everyone, but simply the radical tankers. Do you know how to read? DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 843	Posted - 2013.12.17 23:30:00 - [55] - Quote Atiim wrote: On an additional note, can anyone for the life of me please tell my why anyone should use AV over a MLT HAV? I'll give 1m ISK to the first one who can actually come up with a good reason. -HAND. I play AV instead of militia tanks because..... honor. I WILL keep those tanks in check for as long as their OPness lasts for the sake of the newberries! I am their shield against oppression! I may not be able to save them in every gun fight, but I can at least keep the tanks off of their backs! Now then, that's my good reason. If you were meaning something else, you should have been more clear. 1m Iskies PLZ! PS: MLT AV v MLT Vehicles? LOLOLolOLololOLoolOLoLOloLLolOLOolOoLoOlOloOLoOlLOLOoOlOooLoLoLOOlooLoOL!!!!!! Ulthane: Now get off of my property, 'fore more pigeons come looking an' crap on me yard! Overlord's: Ulath Bosse Zero
Commander Tzu L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 98	Posted - 2013.12.17 23:33:00 - [56] - Quote Atiim wrote: Commander Tzu wrote: So you give two examples of people NOT asking AV to be nerfed as evidence of all the other people asking for it? Makes total sense. /sarcasm EDIT: Line breaks can be useful if you don't want everything you say to be one homogenous blob. Man, I haven't seen you since you lost that bet about me being not being a tanker. (I wasn't gonna give you pizza anyways lol) Along with that, I believe it's because your a tanker, but I just so happen to believe that my AV weapon only being able to take out LAVs is a NERF. Also, I said in the OP that this doesn't encompass everyone, but simply the radical tankers. Do you know how to read? I didn't lose the bet, you never brought the pizza so it was null and void (I was totally willing to pay you too, I really wanted some Za!). As far as not being able to read, I would just ask that you read up on the English language before you jump to that assumption. You were saying that certain group of people ("radical tankers") wanted Swarms to be nerfed yes? And then you gave two examples of where they ("radical tankers") supposedly said they should be nerfed. When people read the post and mentioned that the posters ("radical tankers") never said they wanted AV to be nerfed more you said that those are just two examples of the group of people ("radical tankers") asking for a nerf. So, to recap since I am sure you are already tired of all this reading, you cannot present evidence of people not asking for an AV nerf and then assert that it proves there is a group of people ("radical tankers") asking for one. As you can, hopefully, clearly see, I have not once been speaking in regards to ALL tankers, just your idea of a group of "radicals". The fact that someone mentions something got nerfed doesn't mean they are asking for it to get nerfed again. And on that note, large blasters got nerfed too, I don't hear you crying about that. LINE BREAK LEVEL OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAANDDD!!!!! !!!!!
Commander Tzu L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 98	Posted - 2013.12.17 23:34:00 - [57] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Atiim wrote: On an additional note, can anyone for the life of me please tell my why anyone should use AV over a MLT HAV? I'll give 1m ISK to the first one who can actually come up with a good reason. -HAND. I play AV instead of militia tanks because..... honor. I WILL keep those tanks in check for as long as their OPness lasts for the sake of the newberries! I am their shield against oppression! I may not be able to save them in every gun fight, but I can at least keep the tanks off of their backs! Now then, that's my good reason. If you were meaning something else, you should have been more clear. 1m Iskies PLZ! PS: MLT AV v MLT Vehicles? LOLOLolOLololOLoolOLoLOloLLolOLOolOoLoOlOloOLoOlLOLOoOlOooLoLoLOOlooLoOL!!!!!! OY! And I suppose all my rail tanking to keep their tanks in the garbage heap is for nothing?
AP Grasshopper The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 79	Posted - 2013.12.17 23:39:00 - [58] - Quote Commander Tzu wrote: Atiim wrote: Commander Tzu wrote: So you give two examples of people NOT asking AV to be nerfed as evidence of all the other people asking for it? Makes total sense. /sarcasm EDIT: Line breaks can be useful if you don't want everything you say to be one homogenous blob. Man, I haven't seen you since you lost that bet about me being not being a tanker. (I wasn't gonna give you pizza anyways lol) Along with that, I believe it's because your a tanker, but I just so happen to believe that my AV weapon only being able to take out LAVs is a NERF. Also, I said in the OP that this doesn't encompass everyone, but simply the radical tankers. Do you know how to read? I didn't lose the bet, you never brought the pizza so it was null and void (I was totally willing to pay you too, I really wanted some Za!). As far as not being able to read, I would just ask that you read up on the English language before you jump to that assumption. You were saying that certain group of people ("radical tankers") wanted Swarms to be nerfed yes? And then you gave two examples of where they ("radical tankers") supposedly said they should be nerfed. When people read the post and mentioned that the posters ("radical tankers") never said they wanted AV to be nerfed more you said that those are just two examples of the group of people ("radical tankers") asking for a nerf. So, to recap since I am sure you are already tired of all this reading, you cannot present evidence of people not asking for an AV nerf and then assert that it proves there is a group of people ("radical tankers") asking for one. As you can, hopefully, clearly see, I have not once been speaking in regards to ALL tankers, just your idea of a group of "radicals". The fact that someone mentions something got nerfed doesn't mean they are asking for it to get nerfed again. And on that note, large blasters got nerfed too, I don't hear you crying about that. LINE BREAK LEVEL OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAANDDD!!!!! !!!!! Well put.
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 276	Posted - 2013.12.17 23:43:00 - [59] - Quote message from Godin: Whoever wants AV nerfed now are just idiots.
Harpyja DUST University Ivy League 922	Posted - 2013.12.17 23:46:00 - [60] - Quote Atiim wrote: And there you have it folks. They just won't stop will they? Pilots have made it very obvious that they want AV removed from the game. They have already proven multiple times that they will stop at nothing until their precious vehicles can go 60/0 without trying. AV has already been nerfed, and now they want to nerf AV weapons that fall under the Light Weapon category even further. You are not safe Swarm Launcher and Plasma Cannon Users. And I guarantee that it wouldn't be to far of a stretch to say that they will come for Forge Gun users in the near future as well. They have also already stated how they believe that AV should be required to use teamwork, yet HAVs themselves shouldn't. And at the same time they try to justify that with reasons so idiotic that even a 7 year old child could disprove it if they tried long enough. Remember when I said that if pilots ever got their wish, then PRO AV would be so worthless that nobody would ever want to use it over a Railgun? Remember when I said that if pilots ever got their wish, then DUST 514's matches would be determined by who has the most tanks on the field at the same time? Well nobody listed, and here is the result of that. You have this POS build where everyone would rather use an HAV or go as far as to strap Explosives on their LAVs and kill themselves, then use Anti-Vehicle weapons for Anti-Vehicle purposes. Do you want to play a game where the match is always decided by who has the most HAVs? Do you? If so, then by all means please do allow pilots to spew lies and BS everywhere about how AV is "fine". And to those who say, AV is fine. Please post a link of you killing a pilot with an IQ greater than 5 while using Anti-Vehicle weaponry. I'd even pay AUR to see it. If these pilots get there way with the second SL/PLC nerf, then I'm going to take a break. And no, you scrubs will not has my ISK. You don't even need it. That would go to my corp or KING CHECKMATE. And to the non-AV infantry, I have all but one question. "How long will you allow Tanker's "Logic" to ruin the game for you(us)? Also, I apologize in advance to the pilots who this does not encompass, as I am sure that this doesn't describe the ENTIRE community, as there is that small minority who actually want this game balanced. On an additional note, can anyone for the life of me please tell my why anyone should use AV over a MLT HAV? I'll give 1m ISK to the first one who can actually come up with a good reason. -HAND. You should stop embarrassing yourself, seriously. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32

Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation Zero-Day 40	Posted - 2013.12.18 00:03:00 - [61] - Quote Well i did finsh off a maddy today with swarms and X0 packed grenades, and when the same pilot returned with another took it down to maybe ten percent of its ormor in well timed volley and a freindly MLT tank finshed him off. Message to you Av scrubs, stop standing in the open, use some frigging cover. But no, you want to stand out in the open, facing a blaster, staying still kowing that your first volley will only take down my shields. You can no longer two shot tanks from 4 hundred meters away, and you can no longer chuck three grenades and blow one up before the tank even registered the first hit. It may be just me, but you really get logi fit, preferably a nice cheap level 1 amarr logi, with proximity mines, nanohives, swarmlauncher, sidearm, and av grenades, insead of your crap mlt ant-armor blueprint. Or Mllt heavy with a forge gun. But your not really AV. Do you remember all those modded controllers and the tactical duvolles? Do you think those guys went away? snakevenom
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 844	Posted - 2013.12.18 00:12:00 - [62] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Atiim wrote: I know what you guys want to see, so here are the links. These people want Swarm Launchers (and technically PLCs) nerfed to the point where they can only destroy LAVs. Thread #1: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129211 Thread #2: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129835&find=unread inb4 tankers saying "This seems like a good idea" Is your reading comprehension that bad? They're saying 'stop QQing because your swarms won't kill tanks! That's a forge's job!' And that's it. Neither mentions nerfing at all in either post. (Unnecessary line break) Guess OP was an utter fabrication after all? And who listens to Anmol anyway? (BTW Spkr, most of us don't sacrifice infantry to have a competent tank - I've got a proto logi with a full rack of proto equips on top of my proto turret'ed tank. Validity of the tread OP aside (I don't keep up on threads, for all I know he could be right or wrong), you are basically saying that swarms should only be good vs LAV's. They are useless against dropships and only good against mediocre tanks unless you have 3-4 swarmers firing in tandem (almost impossible with AI infantry running everywhere), so why should swarms even exist in Dust if they are only good for killing crappy tank fits and LAV's? You know, just out of curiosity. Ulthane: Now get off of my property, 'fore more pigeons come looking an' crap on me yard! Overlord's: Ulath Bosse Zero
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD Public Disorder. 407	Posted - 2013.12.18 00:40:00 - [63] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: there isn't any reason to not go HAV my AV fit costs 80,000 ISK, I have to survive running at a tank, while his fitting is cheaper than mine ..... I die 3 times in the attempt, even if I succeed I lose .... That's wrong. Maybe a milita tank, but that should be easy to blow up if your AV fit is 80K. My Madruger is 300K ISK. The militia tank problem is more than AV vs V, they need to give militia tanks their old base HP. ZionTCD Director & Ammar Loyalist Amarr Sentinel \| Amarr Logi \| *Losematar* Scout What is a signature?
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1253	Posted - 2013.12.18 00:50:00 - [64] - Quote Yoma Carrim wrote: Where is the link to the tread calling for a swarm nerf? As a tanker I would very much like to rip these idiots a new one. I should not be able to passive shield regen through a friken AV Volley Its called Heavy Assault Vehicle, the premise being that swarms and plasma cannons are Light Anti-Vehicle weaponry and therefore should only be capable of destroying LAV's. I'll see if I can find it for you! Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1253	Posted - 2013.12.18 00:53:00 - [65] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Atiim wrote: I know what you guys want to see, so here are the links. These people want Swarm Launchers (and technically PLCs) nerfed to the point where they can only destroy LAVs. Thread #1: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129211 Thread #2: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129835&find=unread inb4 tankers saying "This seems like a good idea" Is your reading comprehension that bad? They're saying 'stop QQing because your swarms won't kill tanks! That's a forge's job!' And that's it. Neither mentions nerfing at all in either post. (Unnecessary line break) Guess OP was an utter fabrication after all? And who listens to Anmol anyway? (BTW Spkr, most of us don't sacrifice infantry to have a competent tank - I've got a proto logi with a full rack of proto equips on top of my proto turret'ed tank. Validity of the tread OP aside (I don't keep up on threads, for all I know he could be right or wrong), you are basically saying that swarms should only be good vs LAV's. They are useless against dropships and only good against mediocre tanks unless you have 3-4 swarmers firing in tandem (almost impossible with AI infantry running everywhere), so why should swarms even exist in Dust if they are only good for killing crappy tank fits and LAV's? You know, just out of curiosity. Umm just saying but number 2, he say you should use a forge, otherwise you deserve to be underpowered! Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Beld Errmon The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 1138	Posted - 2013.12.18 01:07:00 - [66] - Quote An LAV with an AV death squad nailed my tank 3 times the other day, faster then I could blink but unless you can do it solo from the top of a 200m tall tower, its not good enough for some ppl. Tanks and AV are working as intended, tanks fight tanks while infantry fight each other over the objectives, its only when one side lacks 1 of these 2 elements that things get terrible, like in ambush when one side pulls tanks and the other either doesn't or can't, when both sides have tanks the battles are epic and fierce, with AV infantry able to tip the scales if positioned right to support their sides tanks. The AV guys see all the tanks that get away, as a tanker I see all the ones that don't and you'd be surprised how many tanks get killed each round.
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 850	Posted - 2013.12.18 02:09:00 - [67] - Quote neither of the listed threads called for a nerf, OP FAILED TO DELIVER! knight of 6 wrote: swarms need a buff, I'll say it, and be proud of it. swarms are light weapons yet they are no good for tanking down light vehicles. they need to be faster and have a longer range as well as a damage buff, I have always see swarms and light av as a counter to light vehicles, not heavy ones. swarms should be excellent anti-dropship and lav weapons while struggling with bigger targets. they require a small SP investment and most infantry men should have one. what about the tyranny of tanks?? heavy assault vehicle VS heavy weapon. both require a large SP investment. the notable exception is of course MLT tanks which I think need a slight adjustment to tone down their effectiveness. there is a MLT forge and heavy combo available to every merc for 0 SP, this should be the counter argument to the MLT tank requiring 0 SP, but as I have said, the MLT tank needs adjustment. any merc that doesn't have a MLT heavy w/ forge should make one. that's not me being a snobby tanker, thats just good advice, I'm a scout and I have one. semi-obviously there needs to be more heavy AV to counter tanks, ask any heavy and they'll tell you that they have been starving for new equipment for builds now. for the balance I have just laid out it is critical that more heavy AV hits the field soon. EDIT: and that heavies become viable to carry that AV as a natural counter to tanks. seriously those guys need a buff that sticks. even I have said that, and I stand by it. fail op, fail... "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout, tanker. CLOSED BETA VET
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 517	Posted - 2013.12.18 02:15:00 - [68] - Quote My biggest beef with tanks is that for no SP investment and less cost than a PC suit they can dominate a game. I can deal with the Dukes of Hazzard tanks and nerfed AV weapons but they should have at least let the ISK cost stay the same as pre-1.7.
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 2182	Posted - 2013.12.18 02:19:00 - [69] - Quote Atiim, I'll never understand why you are so outspoken on AV vs Tanks. You think tanks are OP? Use teamwork. When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE! nú+
Stinker Butt Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 205	Posted - 2013.12.18 02:26:00 - [70] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Atiim, I'll never understand why you are so outspoken on AV vs Tanks. You think tanks are OP? Use teamwork. lol, hasn't that dead horse been beat enough? Don't you already know the response that you're going to get?

Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 396	Posted - 2013.12.18 02:30:00 - [71] - Quote Atiim wrote: I know what you guys want to see, so here are the links. These people want Swarm Launchers (and technically PLCs) nerfed to the point where they can only destroy LAVs. Thread #1: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129211 Thread #2: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129835&find=unread inb4 tankers saying "This seems like a good idea" As far as the 1st thread my post is in relation to when tanks are completely released so I don't want an AV nerf far from it they could use a small buff I want what I said for proto swarms against proto tanks. Tanker/Logi Tanks almost fixed.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2211	Posted - 2013.12.18 02:37:00 - [72] - Quote So many notifications, yet so little time. Lets see how many posts I can reply too. I'm betting 5 :D DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2211	Posted - 2013.12.18 02:39:00 - [73] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Atiim, I'll never understand why you are so outspoken on AV vs Tanks. You think tanks are OP? Use teamwork. Why Patrick57, why? Why must you defile the grave of this poor, poor horse. Has it not received enough thrashings while living? DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2211	Posted - 2013.12.18 02:41:00 - [74] - Quote I guess I overexaggerated the definition of nerf. Apparently being weakened to the point of only being able to destroy LAVs is not considered a nerf. If that's not a nerf, then I honestly don't know what is. DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2211	Posted - 2013.12.18 02:43:00 - [75] - Quote Commander Tzu wrote: So, basically you're just as useless at work as you are on the forums? DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2211	Posted - 2013.12.18 02:44:00 - [76] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Who said this? I am on the forums a lot maybe not as much as you Atiim nut I have not seen a single tanker request an AV nerf. I'm not on the forums that much. DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1514	Posted - 2013.12.18 03:01:00 - [77] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Atiim, I'll never understand why you are so outspoken on AV vs Tanks. You think tanks are OP? Use teamwork. But he's a tankerrrrrr! He knows how tanks work!!!!! He's so good that he uses AV to destroy tanks instead of his own tank!!!!! Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2212	Posted - 2013.12.18 03:12:00 - [78] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: I am totally with you as I fought the same fight for quite some time now. But it seems tankers will only be happy when there is no more infantry on weapons :/. TBQH, most of them won't be happy until AV is removed from the game. Hence, why they want to make it to where SLs/PLCs can only kill LAVs. It's the perfect way to get SLs & PLCs removed without actually removing them, so why wouldn't they? Then they will go after the FG. It's a tough battle, as you end up saying the exact same thing just to have them nitpick around what they know they won't be able to argue against. Heck, most of the points I've ever made have yet to receive a "good" or "solid" argument against. But if somebody doesn't fight the battle, then pilots would ruin DUST 514 for everyone that doesn't want to drive a tank. Which is exactly why people like me, KING CHECKMATE, and Monkey Mac are here. It's a real shame though. When pilots aren't trying to ruin the game for everyone, they are actually pretty nice people. DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2212	Posted - 2013.12.18 03:16:00 - [79] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Atiim, I'll never understand why you are so outspoken on AV vs Tanks. You think tanks are OP? Use teamwork. But he's a tankerrrrrr! He knows how tanks work!!!!! He's so good that he uses AV to destroy tanks instead of his own tank!!!!! What part of "I'm sick of being forced to drive a tank and i don't want to pilot them anymore" don't you understand? Why can't you accept the fact that I am also a tanker? (pre 1.7) *I DON'T WANT TO BE FORCED TO USE A TANK AGAIN. GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK 180mm SKULL. I SHOULDN'T NOR SHOULD ANYONE, HAVE TO USE AN HAV TO DESTROY AN HAV.* DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2212	Posted - 2013.12.18 03:18:00 - [80] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: neither of the listed threads called for a nerf, OP FAILED TO DELIVER! even I have said that, and I stand by it. fail op, fail... Well that's good for you. I'm glad that you want Swarm Launchers to be removed. And that picture. It just.... I don't evem know how to describe that. Why must vehicle pilots try to ruin DUST 514 for everyone? Do they really want to go 60/0 that badly?

Lorhak Gannarsein 750	Posted - 2013.12.18 03:24:00 - [81] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Atiim wrote: I know what you guys want to see, so here are the links. These people want Swarm Launchers (and technically PLCs) nerfed to the point where they can only destroy LAVs. Thread #1: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129211 Thread #2: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129835&find=unread inb4 tankers saying "This seems like a good idea" Is your reading comprehension that bad? They're saying 'stop QQing because your swarms won't kill tanks! That's a forge's job!' And that's it. Neither mentions nerfing at all in either post. (Unnecessary line break) Guess OP was an utter fabrication after all? And who listens to Anmol anyway? (BTW Spkr, most of us don't sacrifice infantry to have a competent tank - I've got a proto logi with a full rack of proto equips on top of my proto turret'ed tank. Validity of the tread OP aside (I don't keep up on threads, for all I know he could be right or wrong), you are basically saying that swarms should only be good vs LAV's. They are useless against dropships and only good against mediocre tanks unless you have 3-4 swarmers firing in tandem (almost impossible with AI infantry running everywhere), so why should swarms even exist in Dust if they are only good for killing crappy tank fits and LAV's? You know, just out of curiosity. Not my argument, haha. I'm fine with swarms being viable AV against tanks. Usually though the logic is that swarms are for killing DSes, LAVs and (presumably) other airborne vehicles (assuming we ever get them). Whether or not they are good at killing any of those things is another point entirely. I'm just pointing out that OP's examples utterly failed to illustrate his point. >Cosgar: You know, tanks are actually paper thin once their modules are in cooldown.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2212	Posted - 2013.12.18 03:26:00 - [82] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: I'm just pointing out that OP's examples utterly failed to illustrate his point. I guess my flaw was that I assumed that making SLs only viable against LAVs would be considered as a nerf. Oh, well then. Can't win every match. Why must vehicle pilots try to ruin DUST 514 for everyone? Do they really want to go 60/0 that badly?
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 851	Posted - 2013.12.18 03:27:00 - [83] - Quote Atiim wrote: knight of 6 wrote: neither of the listed threads called for a nerf, OP FAILED TO DELIVER! even I have said that, and I stand by it. fail op, fail... Well that's good for you. I'm glad that you want Swarm Launchers to be removed. And that picture. It just.... I don't evem know how to describe that. thanks for cutting out the bit where i ask for an swarm buff, did that not fit your "all tankers are satan" model? don't quote me in a manner that it changes the meaning or perception of my post, it's not appreciated and really a rather slimy underhanded move. "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout, tanker. CLOSED BETA VET
dogmanpig black market bank 81	Posted - 2013.12.18 03:27:00 - [84] - Quote clearly the OP is on crack, hand over your crack!!!!! i need crack and tears to go on living! You hate me, I hate you. Lets keep it that way. Level 7 1/3 Forum alt. "Its worth half a penny and a reach around"
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1689	Posted - 2013.12.18 03:28:00 - [85] - Quote You crazy?!? Who the fak asked for swarms to be nerfed even more? Going to stay out of AV/V debates, better for my sanity. GÿåTank driverGÿå
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 851	Posted - 2013.12.18 03:29:00 - [86] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: You crazy?!? Who the fak asked for swarms to be nerfed even more? no one apparently, unless he quotes me again... "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout, tanker. CLOSED BETA VET
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2212	Posted - 2013.12.18 03:34:00 - [87] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: You crazy?!? Who the fak asked for swarms to be nerfed even more? All this bullshit makes tankers like me that want actual balance (I.e: swarms are ***** ** right now) look bad It was referencing the people who want to make Swarm Launchers only viable against LAVs. I may not be Merriam Webster, but I think that is encompassed under the definition of "nerf". And it's also a great way to guarantee that nobody will ever use them. A win/win for pilots. Why must vehicle pilots try to ruin DUST 514 for everyone? Do they really want to go 60/0 that badly?
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1689	Posted - 2013.12.18 03:35:00 - [88] - Quote Edit: just read your response Going to stay out of AV/V debates, better for my sanity. GÿåTank driverGÿå
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1689	Posted - 2013.12.18 03:36:00 - [89] - Quote Ok, but you're accusing the entire vehicle community... That's you falsifying information right there... Please edit Going to stay out of AV/V debates, better for my sanity. GÿåTank driverGÿå
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2212	Posted - 2013.12.18 03:39:00 - [90] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: Ok, but you're accusing the entire vehicle community... That's you falsifying information right there... Please edit Dude. Did you even read the last part of the OP? If you didn't then here you go: Atiim wrote: Also, I apologize in advance to the pilots who this does not encompass, as I am sure that this doesn't describe the ENTIRE community, as there is that small minority who actually want this game balanced. Why must vehicle pilots try to ruin DUST 514 for everyone? Do they really want to go 60/0 that badly?

Lorhak Gannarsein 773	Posted - 2013.12.19 07:52:00 - [91] - Quote Atiim wrote: Flix Keptick wrote: You crazy?!? Who the fak asked for swarms to be nerfed even more? All this bullshit makes tankers like me that want actual balance (I.e: swarms are ***** ** right now) look bad It was referencing the people who want to make Swarm Launchers only viable against LAVs. I may not be Merriam Webster, but I think that is encompassed under the definition of "nerf". And it's also a great way to guarantee that nobody will ever use them. A win/win for pilots. While I agree that swarms are UP right now, and could use a lock range buff and a 10% or thereabouts damage buff... leaving them as is in no way constitutes a nerf. I imagine that Webster (and more importantly, Oxford) would agree with me. >Cosgar: You know, tanks are actually paper thin once their modules are in cooldown.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1726	Posted - 2013.12.19 08:07:00 - [92] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Atiim wrote: Flix Keptick wrote: You crazy?!? Who the fak asked for swarms to be nerfed even more? All this bullshit makes tankers like me that want actual balance (I.e: swarms are ***** ** right now) look bad It was referencing the people who want to make Swarm Launchers only viable against LAVs. I may not be Merriam Webster, but I think that is encompassed under the definition of "nerf". And it's also a great way to guarantee that nobody will ever use them. A win/win for pilots. While I agree that swarms are UP right now, and could use a lock range buff and a 10% or thereabouts damage buff... leaving them as is in no way constitutes a nerf. I imagine that Webster (and more importantly, Oxford) would agree with me. no, leaving them the way they are now constitutes the continuation of a nerf... a way over powered nerf... I don't think a weapon that can only target vehicles should be weaker than any other AV.... just doesn't make sense. it should either be the most powerful AV choice, or able to lock on to infantry as well.... just like the forge gun. stop the lol bans in FW.... instead make teamkillers purple! https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129910&fi
CharCharOdell 1749	Posted - 2013.12.19 08:07:00 - [93] - Quote tell me who and ill rip their throat out. also, i support a MLT tank speed and pg/cpu nerf. Gùñ-é-º+¼+ò+¦GÖÑ+ú+ú+¡ GÖÑ'Ðe+ü+üGùÑ Gùú -ä>-üð+++Ç++§<-¡<-¡ Gùó Speaker of the Mangrove / King of QQ / Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4239	Posted - 2013.12.19 08:14:00 - [94] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: no, leaving them the way they are now constitutes the continuation of a nerf... a way over powered nerf... I don't think a weapon that can only target vehicles should be weaker than any other AV.... just doesn't make sense. it should either be the most powerful AV choice, or able to lock on to infantry as well.... just like the forge gun. That's nice. Check out the thread title: Quote: LOLTank Brigade Wants Swarm Launchers Nerfed? Again?! You might recognise that last word. The thread isn't about MAINTAINING a nerf, it's about nerfing AGAIN. I'd really love to see confirmed and linked quotes from enough prominent tankers to qualify as a "brigade" which back this thread's claims. I won't say it's a lie, but it would surprise me if it really happened.
Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 282	Posted - 2013.12.19 09:39:00 - [95] - Quote I can't agree more with what you said. I too saw this alarming trend on patch night - the zero-sum game that is the tank vs infantry debate now boils down to: because it takes multiple AV to counter a tank, you might as well counter a tank with a tank - now the person who has more tanks has the advantage because a) a tank can counter tanks b) a tank can counter infantry (and is virtually immune to them) There is now no disadvantage to deploying a tank, not even cost. It's disturbing and has changed the dynamic of the game uncomfortably. I think it's clear by now people understand that ill-informed statements like "It should take multiple AV's or a team to take down a tank" or my favourite "my tank is so expensive it should be powerful" have no place in this debate. There is only valid argument put forward by tankers which should be looked at (assuming they rebalance AV to have a specialised AV able to counter a tank) - the fact that there is a skill point disparity between someone who wants to become "AV" and someone who wants to tank. AV simply consists of just skilling into one of the two weapons that can counter tanks and equipping AV grenades - there is no specialist suit that gives bonuses, nor specialist skills required. Perhaps the creation of an AV tree might calm these concerns. Having said that, the swarm launcher is so ineffective now that it's not really worth bringing out onto the field anymore so that leaves on effective AV weapon.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1726	Posted - 2013.12.19 10:31:00 - [96] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: no, leaving them the way they are now constitutes the continuation of a nerf... a way over powered nerf... I don't think a weapon that can only target vehicles should be weaker than any other AV.... just doesn't make sense. it should either be the most powerful AV choice, or able to lock on to infantry as well.... just like the forge gun. That's nice. Check out the thread title: Quote: LOLTank Brigade Wants Swarm Launchers Nerfed? Again?! You might recognise that last word. The thread isn't about MAINTAINING a nerf, it's about nerfing AGAIN. I'd really love to see confirmed and linked quotes from enough prominent tankers to qualify as a "brigade" which back this thread's claims. I won't say it's a lie, but it would surprise me if it really happened. read it understand it.... just spreading the word.... stop the lol bans in FW.... instead make teamkillers purple! https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129910&fi
Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens League of Infamy 439	Posted - 2013.12.19 10:56:00 - [97] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: Ok, but you're accusing the entire vehicle community... That's you falsifying information right there... Please edit Tank Driver? Where are you finding "tanks" in Dust? I still can't find tanks on the market. All I see are those HAVs.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1986	Posted - 2013.12.19 12:41:00 - [98] - Quote OP is just butthurt I dont think any tanker has mention anything about an extra AV nerf, hell ive even said the PLC needs a buff Intelligence is OP
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 377	Posted - 2013.12.19 13:03:00 - [99] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: OP is just butthurt I dont think any tanker has mention anything about an extra AV nerf, hell ive even said the PLC needs a buff Well there are several posts floating around suggesting just this If these were made by HAV pilots is hard to tell as this is not written to your profile...
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 631	Posted - 2013.12.19 14:14:00 - [100] - Quote 2 Wyrkomi + lai dai vs Soma and Soma wins. Just saying.

Harpyja DUST University Ivy League 924	Posted - 2013.12.19 14:20:00 - [101] - Quote Return free fire on swarm launchers and it should stop most of the complaining. Just have some spread among the missiles and 220 damage per missile shouldn't be as scary as it was before free fire was removed. Also now that you have brick tanked suits with EHP much higher than it ever was, free fire shouldn't be OP. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
Thumb Green Novashift 587	Posted - 2013.12.19 15:06:00 - [102] - Quote Commander Tzu wrote: drake sadani wrote: TL;DR version , tank players say keep nerfing AV . AV says boost us back so we don't get owned tank players say use better tactics . AV says maybe you should use better tactics tankers tank players say we don't have to . we're tanks while mommy AV and tanker daddy fight the little 514 gamers are not getting fed and are being neglected Tankers don't use tactics, right. So why were so many AV complaining when they got killed by the infantry the tank was working with? Infantry being around the tank is not the same as the tank working with infantry. Never mind the president, let's overgrow the government.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1987	Posted - 2013.12.19 15:37:00 - [103] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Commander Tzu wrote: drake sadani wrote: TL;DR version , tank players say keep nerfing AV . AV says boost us back so we don't get owned tank players say use better tactics . AV says maybe you should use better tactics tankers tank players say we don't have to . we're tanks while mommy AV and tanker daddy fight the little 514 gamers are not getting fed and are being neglected Tankers don't use tactics, right. So why were so many AV complaining when they got killed by the infantry the tank was working with? Infantry being around the tank is not the same as the tank working with infantry. How do you know they are not working together? Intelligence is OP
Thumb Green Novashift 587	Posted - 2013.12.19 15:43:00 - [104] - Quote Because most of the time the infantry aren't in the same squad with the tanker and the tanker doesn't have his voice activated in team chat. Never mind the president, let's overgrow the government.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 1920	Posted - 2013.12.19 15:47:00 - [105] - Quote Yes, 1.7 was the World of Tanks patch. However I think the change to the underlaying mechanics will make balancing AV to Tanks easier. Yes, I think AV will be buffed in 1.8. FTM tankers can enjoy themselves this Christmas. It will change in January. Any pilot who asks for an AV nerf now gives up all credibility by doing so. Save the link to the post, because for the rest of their DUST career you will be able to say GÇ£Hay, arenGÇÖt you the guy that was asking for AV nerfs in the middle of the World of Tanks era?GÇ¥and completely invalidate their credibility. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else, there is the Learning Coalition.
Commander Tzu L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 107	Posted - 2013.12.19 18:42:00 - [106] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Because most of the time the infantry aren't in the same squad with the tanker and the tanker doesn't have his voice activated in team chat. Why be voiced in team with a bunch of randoms when you can be voiced in your squad with people you know . Seriously though, team chat is usually either empty because people are in squad chat or full of annoying people who don't help/listen/communicate anyway.
Kharga Lum Xeno Labs Security 161	Posted - 2013.12.19 19:19:00 - [107] - Quote Why nerf AV? It's already pathetic. If anyone is calling for a nerf it's pilots who are $#!7 at tanking.
Phazoid The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 141	Posted - 2013.12.19 19:58:00 - [108] - Quote the only benefit AV has over tanks is the use of cover and the ability to get inside buildings, now i cant destroy a mlt tank, also i find amazing that no one has at least AV grenades on their fits, there are so many tanks and they heal far too fast Ib'tuur jatne tuur ash'ad kyr'amur (Today is a good day for someone else to die).


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