And there you have it folks. They just won't stop will they?

Pilots have made it very obvious that they want AV removed from the game. They have already proven multiple times that they will stop at nothing until their precious vehicles can go 60/0 without trying.

AV has already been nerfed, and now they want to nerf AV weapons that fall under the Light Weapon category even further. You are not safe Swarm Launcher and Plasma Cannon Users. And I guarantee that it wouldn't be to far of a stretch to say that they will come for Forge Gun users in the near future as well.

They have also already stated how they believe that AV should be required to use teamwork, yet HAVs themselves shouldn't. And at the same time they try to justify that with reasons so idiotic that even a 7 year old child could disprove it if they tried long enough.

Remember when I said that if pilots ever got their wish, then PRO AV would be so worthless that nobody would ever want to use it over a Railgun? Remember when I said that if pilots ever got their wish, then DUST 514's matches would be determined by who has the most tanks on the field at the same time?

Well nobody listed, and here is the result of that. You have this POS build where everyone would rather use an HAV or go as far as to strap Explosives on their LAVs and kill themselves, then use Anti-Vehicle weapons for Anti-Vehicle purposes.

Do you want to play a game where the match is always decided by who has the most HAVs? Do you? If so, then by all means please do allow pilots to spew lies and BS everywhere about how AV is "fine".

And to those who say, AV is fine. Please post a link of you killing a pilot with an IQ greater than 5 while using Anti-Vehicle weaponry. I'd even pay AUR to see it.

If these pilots get there way with the second SL/PLC nerf, then I'm going to take a break. And no, you scrubs will not has my ISK. You don't even need it. That would go to my corp or KING CHECKMATE.

And to the non-AV infantry, I have all but one question. "How long will you allow Tanker's "Logic" to ruin the game for you(us)?

Also, I apologize in advance to the pilots who this does not encompass, as I am sure that this doesn't describe the ENTIRE community, as there is that small minority who actually want this game balanced.

On an additional note, can anyone for the life of me please tell my why anyone should use AV over a MLT HAV? I'll give 1m ISK to the first one who can actually come up with a good reason.

-HAND.

So, wait, WHO was requesting another Swarm nerf?

TL;DR version ,

tank players say keep nerfing AV .

AV says boost us back so we don't get owned

tank players say use better tactics .

AV says maybe you should use better tactics tankers

tank players say we don't have to . we're tanks

while mommy AV and tanker daddy fight the little 514 gamers are not getting fed and are being neglected

Where is the link to the tread calling for a swarm nerf? As a tanker I would very much like to rip these idiots a new one.

I should not be able to passive shield regen through a friken AV Volley

and you are?

AV was over nerfed, just like the flaylock. Think about it. Flaylock is OP, so we nerf flaylock and then buff other weapons by giving them aim assist. Nerfing the flaylock would have been fine, and buffing other weapons would have been fine, but instead CCP did both, and now look at the flaylock.

The same thing has happened to AV weapons. AV is OP, so we nerf it, and then buff vehicles. Nerfing AV would have been fine, and buffing vehicles would have been fine, but, once again, CCP overdid it, and look at AV vs vehicles now.

In my opinion, the vehicles are almost balanced, but not quite yet.

RIP flaylock
RIP AV

certainly it happened to me a lot on many other games . but i had some kind of recourse to at least keep my head above water .
right now the game is holding new players under the surface and drowning them .

any kind of recourse.

as a example .

i used to play battlefield .

bad comp and 3 .

we would get camped all the time . i would get killed 20 times in a row . but . i felt fine with that because every now and again i could take a guided rocket and put it in someones teeth .

or i could get away and do something besides die . it would be difficult. but i could do it .


the situation we have now is there is nothing you can do as a noob. you have a swam launcher that does nothing noticeable
AV nades that somewhat help but you have to get in tankity tanks face . and we have a heavy forge but if yo go right into that you end up neglecting the skills you need to survive normal person to person combat

They tell us to squad with slayer infantry to counter AV.

And are you talking about MLT? Are you using PRO? Of course MLT will be cheaper than PRO.

And there you have it folks. They just won't stop will they?

Pilots have made it very obvious that they want AV removed from the game. They have already proven multiple times that they will stop at nothing until their precious vehicles can go 60/0 without trying.

AV has already been nerfed, and now they want to nerf AV weapons that fall under the Light Weapon category even further. You are not safe Swarm Launcher and Plasma Cannon Users. And I guarantee that it wouldn't be to far of a stretch to say that they will come for Forge Gun users in the near future as well.

They have also already stated how they believe that AV should be required to use teamwork, yet HAVs themselves shouldn't. And at the same time they try to justify that with reasons so idiotic that even a 7 year old child could disprove it if they tried long enough.

Remember when I said that if pilots ever got their wish, then PRO AV would be so worthless that nobody would ever want to use it over a Railgun? Remember when I said that if pilots ever got their wish, then DUST 514's matches would be determined by who has the most tanks on the field at the same time?

Well nobody listed, and here is the result of that. You have this POS build where everyone would rather use an HAV or go as far as to strap Explosives on their LAVs and kill themselves, then use Anti-Vehicle weapons for Anti-Vehicle purposes.

Do you want to play a game where the match is always decided by who has the most HAVs? Do you? If so, then by all means please do allow pilots to spew lies and BS everywhere about how AV is "fine".

And to those who say, AV is fine. Please post a link of you killing a pilot with an IQ greater than 5 while using Anti-Vehicle weaponry. I'd even pay AUR to see it.

If these pilots get there way with the second SL/PLC nerf, then I'm going to take a break. And no, you scrubs will not has my ISK. You don't even need it. That would go to my corp or KING CHECKMATE.

And to the non-AV infantry, I have all but one question. "How long will you allow Tanker's "Logic" to ruin the game for you(us)?

Also, I apologize in advance to the pilots who this does not encompass, as I am sure that this doesn't describe the ENTIRE community, as there is that small minority who actually want this game balanced.

On an additional note, can anyone for the life of me please tell my why anyone should use AV over a MLT HAV? I'll give 1m ISK to the first one who can actually come up with a good reason.

-HAND.

Atiim, whoever told you they still want AV nerfed is a complete and utter dumbass.

don't even give credence to what they are saying. that person is a POS and the reason this game is not as good as it could be.
i'm willing to bet even the majority of tankers would agree with this.

You can't win the argument logically, so now you resort to using complete fabrications. I have not seen or heard a single vehicle user asking for another AV nerf. Obvious troll is obvious.

You're tank cost 500k, my dropship cost 400k what modules do you have on it?

I know what you guys want to see, so here are the links.

These people want Swarm Launchers (and technically PLCs) nerfed to the point where they can only destroy LAVs.

Thread #1:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129211

Thread #2:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129835&find=unread

inb4 tankers saying "This seems like a good idea"

Is your reading comprehension that bad?

They're saying 'stop QQing because your swarms won't kill tanks! That's a forge's job!'

And that's it.

Neither mentions nerfing at all in either post.

(Unnecessary line break)

Guess OP was an utter fabrication after all? And who listens to Anmol anyway?

(BTW Spkr, most of us don't sacrifice infantry to have a competent tank - I've got a proto logi with a full rack of proto equips on top of my proto turret'ed tank.

This wasn't the only two times, as many other posts have actually said to nerf SLs to make it to where they can only kill LAVs. I linked those two because I am still fishing through the forums for the rest.

Who should we listen to? I can pull up almost anything about what a LOLTank Brigadier said and you would probably say "Well who listens to him/her anyways.

And stop with the unnecessary line breaks already! Why does everyone keep doing this.

This wasn't the only two times, as many other posts have actually said to nerf SLs to make it to where they can only kill LAVs. I linked those two because I am still fishing through the forums for the rest.

Who should we listen to? I can pull up almost anything about what a LOLTank Brigadier said and you would probably say "Well who listens to him/her anyways.

And stop with the unnecessary line breaks already! Why does everyone keep doing this.

So you give two examples of people NOT asking AV to be nerfed as evidence of all the other people asking for it? Makes total sense. /sarcasm

EDIT: Line breaks can be useful if you don't want everything you say to be one homogenous

blob.

On an additional note, can anyone for the life of me please tell my why anyone should use AV over a MLT HAV? I'll give 1m ISK to the first one who can actually come up with a good reason.

-HAND.

Man, I haven't seen you since you lost that bet about me being not being a tanker. (I wasn't gonna give you pizza anyways lol)

Along with that, I believe it's because your a tanker, but I just so happen to believe that my AV weapon only being able to take out LAVs is a NERF.

Also, I said in the OP that this doesn't encompass everyone, but simply the radical tankers. Do you know how to read?

I play AV instead of militia tanks because..... honor. I WILL keep those tanks in check for as long as their OPness lasts for the sake of the newberries! I am their shield against oppression! I may not be able to save them in every gun fight, but I can at least keep the tanks off of their backs!

Now then, that's my good reason. If you were meaning something else, you should have been more clear. 1m Iskies PLZ!



PS: MLT AV v MLT Vehicles? LOLOLolOLololOLoolOLoLOloLLolOLOolOoLoOlOloOLoOlLOLOoOlOooLoLoLOOlooLoOL!!!!!!

I didn't lose the bet, you never brought the pizza so it was null and void (I was totally willing to pay you too, I really wanted some Za!).

As far as not being able to read, I would just ask that you read up on the English language before you jump to that assumption. You were saying that certain group of people ("radical tankers") wanted Swarms to be nerfed yes? And then you gave two examples of where they ("radical tankers") supposedly said they should be nerfed. When people read the post and mentioned that the posters ("radical tankers") never said they wanted AV to be nerfed more you said that those are just two examples of the group of people ("radical tankers") asking for a nerf. So, to recap since I am sure you are already tired of all this reading, you cannot present evidence of people not asking for an AV nerf and then assert that it proves there is a group of people ("radical tankers") asking for one.

As you can, hopefully, clearly see, I have not once been speaking in regards to ALL tankers, just your idea of a group of "radicals". The fact that someone mentions something got nerfed doesn't mean they are asking for it to get nerfed again. And on that note, large blasters got nerfed too, I don't hear you crying about that.

LINE BREAK LEVEL OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAANDDD!!!!!

!!!!!

And there you have it folks. They just won't stop will they?

Pilots have made it very obvious that they want AV removed from the game. They have already proven multiple times that they will stop at nothing until their precious vehicles can go 60/0 without trying.

AV has already been nerfed, and now they want to nerf AV weapons that fall under the Light Weapon category even further. You are not safe Swarm Launcher and Plasma Cannon Users. And I guarantee that it wouldn't be to far of a stretch to say that they will come for Forge Gun users in the near future as well.

They have also already stated how they believe that AV should be required to use teamwork, yet HAVs themselves shouldn't. And at the same time they try to justify that with reasons so idiotic that even a 7 year old child could disprove it if they tried long enough.

Remember when I said that if pilots ever got their wish, then PRO AV would be so worthless that nobody would ever want to use it over a Railgun? Remember when I said that if pilots ever got their wish, then DUST 514's matches would be determined by who has the most tanks on the field at the same time?

Well nobody listed, and here is the result of that. You have this POS build where everyone would rather use an HAV or go as far as to strap Explosives on their LAVs and kill themselves, then use Anti-Vehicle weapons for Anti-Vehicle purposes.

Do you want to play a game where the match is always decided by who has the most HAVs? Do you? If so, then by all means please do allow pilots to spew lies and BS everywhere about how AV is "fine".

And to those who say, AV is fine. Please post a link of you killing a pilot with an IQ greater than 5 while using Anti-Vehicle weaponry. I'd even pay AUR to see it.

If these pilots get there way with the second SL/PLC nerf, then I'm going to take a break. And no, you scrubs will not has my ISK. You don't even need it. That would go to my corp or KING CHECKMATE.

And to the non-AV infantry, I have all but one question. "How long will you allow Tanker's "Logic" to ruin the game for you(us)?

Also, I apologize in advance to the pilots who this does not encompass, as I am sure that this doesn't describe the ENTIRE community, as there is that small minority who actually want this game balanced.

On an additional note, can anyone for the life of me please tell my why anyone should use AV over a MLT HAV? I'll give 1m ISK to the first one who can actually come up with a good reason.

-HAND.