DUST Search - LOLTank Brigade Wants Swarm Launchers Nerfed? Again?!

knight of 6 wrote:

swarms need a buff, I'll say it, and be proud of it.

swarms are light weapons yet they are no good for tanking down light vehicles. they need to be faster and have a longer range as well as a damage buff, I have always see swarms and light av as a counter to light vehicles, not heavy ones. swarms should be excellent
anti-dropship and lav weapons while struggling with bigger targets. they require a small SP investment and most infantry men should have one.

what about the tyranny of tanks?? heavy assault vehicle VS heavy weapon. both require a large SP investment. the notable exception is of course MLT tanks which I think need a slight adjustment to tone down their effectiveness. there is a MLT forge and heavy combo available to every merc for 0 SP, this should be the counter argument to the MLT tank requiring 0 SP, but as I have said, the MLT tank needs adjustment.

any merc that doesn't have a MLT heavy w/ forge should make one. that's not me being a snobby tanker, thats just good advice, I'm a scout and I have one.

semi-obviously there needs to be more heavy AV to counter tanks, ask any heavy and they'll tell you that they have been starving for new equipment for builds now. for the balance I have just laid out it is critical that more heavy AV hits the field soon.

EDIT: and that heavies become viable to carry that AV as a natural counter to tanks. seriously those guys need a buff that sticks.

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Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation Zero-Day 40	Posted - 2013.12.18 00:03:00 - [61] - Quote Well i did finsh off a maddy today with swarms and X0 packed grenades, and when the same pilot returned with another took it down to maybe ten percent of its ormor in well timed volley and a freindly MLT tank finshed him off. Message to you Av scrubs, stop standing in the open, use some frigging cover. But no, you want to stand out in the open, facing a blaster, staying still kowing that your first volley will only take down my shields. You can no longer two shot tanks from 4 hundred meters away, and you can no longer chuck three grenades and blow one up before the tank even registered the first hit. It may be just me, but you really get logi fit, preferably a nice cheap level 1 amarr logi, with proximity mines, nanohives, swarmlauncher, sidearm, and av grenades, insead of your crap mlt ant-armor blueprint. Or Mllt heavy with a forge gun. But your not really AV. Do you remember all those modded controllers and the tactical duvolles? Do you think those guys went away? snakevenom
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 844	Posted - 2013.12.18 00:12:00 - [62] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Atiim wrote: I know what you guys want to see, so here are the links. These people want Swarm Launchers (and technically PLCs) nerfed to the point where they can only destroy LAVs. Thread #1: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129211 Thread #2: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129835&find=unread inb4 tankers saying "This seems like a good idea" Is your reading comprehension that bad? They're saying 'stop QQing because your swarms won't kill tanks! That's a forge's job!' And that's it. Neither mentions nerfing at all in either post. (Unnecessary line break) Guess OP was an utter fabrication after all? And who listens to Anmol anyway? (BTW Spkr, most of us don't sacrifice infantry to have a competent tank - I've got a proto logi with a full rack of proto equips on top of my proto turret'ed tank. Validity of the tread OP aside (I don't keep up on threads, for all I know he could be right or wrong), you are basically saying that swarms should only be good vs LAV's. They are useless against dropships and only good against mediocre tanks unless you have 3-4 swarmers firing in tandem (almost impossible with AI infantry running everywhere), so why should swarms even exist in Dust if they are only good for killing crappy tank fits and LAV's? You know, just out of curiosity. Ulthane: Now get off of my property, 'fore more pigeons come looking an' crap on me yard! Overlord's: Ulath Bosse Zero
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD Public Disorder. 407	Posted - 2013.12.18 00:40:00 - [63] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: there isn't any reason to not go HAV my AV fit costs 80,000 ISK, I have to survive running at a tank, while his fitting is cheaper than mine ..... I die 3 times in the attempt, even if I succeed I lose .... That's wrong. Maybe a milita tank, but that should be easy to blow up if your AV fit is 80K. My Madruger is 300K ISK. The militia tank problem is more than AV vs V, they need to give militia tanks their old base HP. ZionTCD Director & Ammar Loyalist Amarr Sentinel \| Amarr Logi \| *Losematar* Scout What is a signature?
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1253	Posted - 2013.12.18 00:50:00 - [64] - Quote Yoma Carrim wrote: Where is the link to the tread calling for a swarm nerf? As a tanker I would very much like to rip these idiots a new one. I should not be able to passive shield regen through a friken AV Volley Its called Heavy Assault Vehicle, the premise being that swarms and plasma cannons are Light Anti-Vehicle weaponry and therefore should only be capable of destroying LAV's. I'll see if I can find it for you! Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1253	Posted - 2013.12.18 00:53:00 - [65] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Atiim wrote: I know what you guys want to see, so here are the links. These people want Swarm Launchers (and technically PLCs) nerfed to the point where they can only destroy LAVs. Thread #1: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129211 Thread #2: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129835&find=unread inb4 tankers saying "This seems like a good idea" Is your reading comprehension that bad? They're saying 'stop QQing because your swarms won't kill tanks! That's a forge's job!' And that's it. Neither mentions nerfing at all in either post. (Unnecessary line break) Guess OP was an utter fabrication after all? And who listens to Anmol anyway? (BTW Spkr, most of us don't sacrifice infantry to have a competent tank - I've got a proto logi with a full rack of proto equips on top of my proto turret'ed tank. Validity of the tread OP aside (I don't keep up on threads, for all I know he could be right or wrong), you are basically saying that swarms should only be good vs LAV's. They are useless against dropships and only good against mediocre tanks unless you have 3-4 swarmers firing in tandem (almost impossible with AI infantry running everywhere), so why should swarms even exist in Dust if they are only good for killing crappy tank fits and LAV's? You know, just out of curiosity. Umm just saying but number 2, he say you should use a forge, otherwise you deserve to be underpowered! Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Beld Errmon The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 1138	Posted - 2013.12.18 01:07:00 - [66] - Quote An LAV with an AV death squad nailed my tank 3 times the other day, faster then I could blink but unless you can do it solo from the top of a 200m tall tower, its not good enough for some ppl. Tanks and AV are working as intended, tanks fight tanks while infantry fight each other over the objectives, its only when one side lacks 1 of these 2 elements that things get terrible, like in ambush when one side pulls tanks and the other either doesn't or can't, when both sides have tanks the battles are epic and fierce, with AV infantry able to tip the scales if positioned right to support their sides tanks. The AV guys see all the tanks that get away, as a tanker I see all the ones that don't and you'd be surprised how many tanks get killed each round.
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 850	Posted - 2013.12.18 02:09:00 - [67] - Quote neither of the listed threads called for a nerf, OP FAILED TO DELIVER! knight of 6 wrote: swarms need a buff, I'll say it, and be proud of it. swarms are light weapons yet they are no good for tanking down light vehicles. they need to be faster and have a longer range as well as a damage buff, I have always see swarms and light av as a counter to light vehicles, not heavy ones. swarms should be excellent anti-dropship and lav weapons while struggling with bigger targets. they require a small SP investment and most infantry men should have one. what about the tyranny of tanks?? heavy assault vehicle VS heavy weapon. both require a large SP investment. the notable exception is of course MLT tanks which I think need a slight adjustment to tone down their effectiveness. there is a MLT forge and heavy combo available to every merc for 0 SP, this should be the counter argument to the MLT tank requiring 0 SP, but as I have said, the MLT tank needs adjustment. any merc that doesn't have a MLT heavy w/ forge should make one. that's not me being a snobby tanker, thats just good advice, I'm a scout and I have one. semi-obviously there needs to be more heavy AV to counter tanks, ask any heavy and they'll tell you that they have been starving for new equipment for builds now. for the balance I have just laid out it is critical that more heavy AV hits the field soon. EDIT: and that heavies become viable to carry that AV as a natural counter to tanks. seriously those guys need a buff that sticks. even I have said that, and I stand by it. fail op, fail... "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout, tanker. CLOSED BETA VET
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 517	Posted - 2013.12.18 02:15:00 - [68] - Quote My biggest beef with tanks is that for no SP investment and less cost than a PC suit they can dominate a game. I can deal with the Dukes of Hazzard tanks and nerfed AV weapons but they should have at least let the ISK cost stay the same as pre-1.7.
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 2182	Posted - 2013.12.18 02:19:00 - [69] - Quote Atiim, I'll never understand why you are so outspoken on AV vs Tanks. You think tanks are OP? Use teamwork. When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE! nú+
Stinker Butt Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 205	Posted - 2013.12.18 02:26:00 - [70] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Atiim, I'll never understand why you are so outspoken on AV vs Tanks. You think tanks are OP? Use teamwork. lol, hasn't that dead horse been beat enough? Don't you already know the response that you're going to get?

Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 396	Posted - 2013.12.18 02:30:00 - [71] - Quote Atiim wrote: I know what you guys want to see, so here are the links. These people want Swarm Launchers (and technically PLCs) nerfed to the point where they can only destroy LAVs. Thread #1: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129211 Thread #2: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129835&find=unread inb4 tankers saying "This seems like a good idea" As far as the 1st thread my post is in relation to when tanks are completely released so I don't want an AV nerf far from it they could use a small buff I want what I said for proto swarms against proto tanks. Tanker/Logi Tanks almost fixed.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2211	Posted - 2013.12.18 02:37:00 - [72] - Quote So many notifications, yet so little time. Lets see how many posts I can reply too. I'm betting 5 :D DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2211	Posted - 2013.12.18 02:39:00 - [73] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Atiim, I'll never understand why you are so outspoken on AV vs Tanks. You think tanks are OP? Use teamwork. Why Patrick57, why? Why must you defile the grave of this poor, poor horse. Has it not received enough thrashings while living? DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2211	Posted - 2013.12.18 02:41:00 - [74] - Quote I guess I overexaggerated the definition of nerf. Apparently being weakened to the point of only being able to destroy LAVs is not considered a nerf. If that's not a nerf, then I honestly don't know what is. DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2211	Posted - 2013.12.18 02:43:00 - [75] - Quote Commander Tzu wrote: So, basically you're just as useless at work as you are on the forums? DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2211	Posted - 2013.12.18 02:44:00 - [76] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Who said this? I am on the forums a lot maybe not as much as you Atiim nut I have not seen a single tanker request an AV nerf. I'm not on the forums that much. DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1514	Posted - 2013.12.18 03:01:00 - [77] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Atiim, I'll never understand why you are so outspoken on AV vs Tanks. You think tanks are OP? Use teamwork. But he's a tankerrrrrr! He knows how tanks work!!!!! He's so good that he uses AV to destroy tanks instead of his own tank!!!!! Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2212	Posted - 2013.12.18 03:12:00 - [78] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: I am totally with you as I fought the same fight for quite some time now. But it seems tankers will only be happy when there is no more infantry on weapons :/. TBQH, most of them won't be happy until AV is removed from the game. Hence, why they want to make it to where SLs/PLCs can only kill LAVs. It's the perfect way to get SLs & PLCs removed without actually removing them, so why wouldn't they? Then they will go after the FG. It's a tough battle, as you end up saying the exact same thing just to have them nitpick around what they know they won't be able to argue against. Heck, most of the points I've ever made have yet to receive a "good" or "solid" argument against. But if somebody doesn't fight the battle, then pilots would ruin DUST 514 for everyone that doesn't want to drive a tank. Which is exactly why people like me, KING CHECKMATE, and Monkey Mac are here. It's a real shame though. When pilots aren't trying to ruin the game for everyone, they are actually pretty nice people. DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2212	Posted - 2013.12.18 03:16:00 - [79] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Atiim, I'll never understand why you are so outspoken on AV vs Tanks. You think tanks are OP? Use teamwork. But he's a tankerrrrrr! He knows how tanks work!!!!! He's so good that he uses AV to destroy tanks instead of his own tank!!!!! What part of "I'm sick of being forced to drive a tank and i don't want to pilot them anymore" don't you understand? Why can't you accept the fact that I am also a tanker? (pre 1.7) *I DON'T WANT TO BE FORCED TO USE A TANK AGAIN. GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK 180mm SKULL. I SHOULDN'T NOR SHOULD ANYONE, HAVE TO USE AN HAV TO DESTROY AN HAV.* DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2212	Posted - 2013.12.18 03:18:00 - [80] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: neither of the listed threads called for a nerf, OP FAILED TO DELIVER! even I have said that, and I stand by it. fail op, fail... Well that's good for you. I'm glad that you want Swarm Launchers to be removed. And that picture. It just.... I don't evem know how to describe that. Why must vehicle pilots try to ruin DUST 514 for everyone? Do they really want to go 60/0 that badly?

Lorhak Gannarsein 750	Posted - 2013.12.18 03:24:00 - [81] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Atiim wrote: I know what you guys want to see, so here are the links. These people want Swarm Launchers (and technically PLCs) nerfed to the point where they can only destroy LAVs. Thread #1: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129211 Thread #2: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129835&find=unread inb4 tankers saying "This seems like a good idea" Is your reading comprehension that bad? They're saying 'stop QQing because your swarms won't kill tanks! That's a forge's job!' And that's it. Neither mentions nerfing at all in either post. (Unnecessary line break) Guess OP was an utter fabrication after all? And who listens to Anmol anyway? (BTW Spkr, most of us don't sacrifice infantry to have a competent tank - I've got a proto logi with a full rack of proto equips on top of my proto turret'ed tank. Validity of the tread OP aside (I don't keep up on threads, for all I know he could be right or wrong), you are basically saying that swarms should only be good vs LAV's. They are useless against dropships and only good against mediocre tanks unless you have 3-4 swarmers firing in tandem (almost impossible with AI infantry running everywhere), so why should swarms even exist in Dust if they are only good for killing crappy tank fits and LAV's? You know, just out of curiosity. Not my argument, haha. I'm fine with swarms being viable AV against tanks. Usually though the logic is that swarms are for killing DSes, LAVs and (presumably) other airborne vehicles (assuming we ever get them). Whether or not they are good at killing any of those things is another point entirely. I'm just pointing out that OP's examples utterly failed to illustrate his point. >Cosgar: You know, tanks are actually paper thin once their modules are in cooldown.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2212	Posted - 2013.12.18 03:26:00 - [82] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: I'm just pointing out that OP's examples utterly failed to illustrate his point. I guess my flaw was that I assumed that making SLs only viable against LAVs would be considered as a nerf. Oh, well then. Can't win every match. Why must vehicle pilots try to ruin DUST 514 for everyone? Do they really want to go 60/0 that badly?
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 851	Posted - 2013.12.18 03:27:00 - [83] - Quote Atiim wrote: knight of 6 wrote: neither of the listed threads called for a nerf, OP FAILED TO DELIVER! even I have said that, and I stand by it. fail op, fail... Well that's good for you. I'm glad that you want Swarm Launchers to be removed. And that picture. It just.... I don't evem know how to describe that. thanks for cutting out the bit where i ask for an swarm buff, did that not fit your "all tankers are satan" model? don't quote me in a manner that it changes the meaning or perception of my post, it's not appreciated and really a rather slimy underhanded move. "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout, tanker. CLOSED BETA VET
dogmanpig black market bank 81	Posted - 2013.12.18 03:27:00 - [84] - Quote clearly the OP is on crack, hand over your crack!!!!! i need crack and tears to go on living! You hate me, I hate you. Lets keep it that way. Level 7 1/3 Forum alt. "Its worth half a penny and a reach around"
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1689	Posted - 2013.12.18 03:28:00 - [85] - Quote You crazy?!? Who the fak asked for swarms to be nerfed even more? Going to stay out of AV/V debates, better for my sanity. GÿåTank driverGÿå
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 851	Posted - 2013.12.18 03:29:00 - [86] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: You crazy?!? Who the fak asked for swarms to be nerfed even more? no one apparently, unless he quotes me again... "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout, tanker. CLOSED BETA VET
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2212	Posted - 2013.12.18 03:34:00 - [87] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: You crazy?!? Who the fak asked for swarms to be nerfed even more? All this bullshit makes tankers like me that want actual balance (I.e: swarms are ***** ** right now) look bad It was referencing the people who want to make Swarm Launchers only viable against LAVs. I may not be Merriam Webster, but I think that is encompassed under the definition of "nerf". And it's also a great way to guarantee that nobody will ever use them. A win/win for pilots. Why must vehicle pilots try to ruin DUST 514 for everyone? Do they really want to go 60/0 that badly?
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1689	Posted - 2013.12.18 03:35:00 - [88] - Quote Edit: just read your response Going to stay out of AV/V debates, better for my sanity. GÿåTank driverGÿå
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1689	Posted - 2013.12.18 03:36:00 - [89] - Quote Ok, but you're accusing the entire vehicle community... That's you falsifying information right there... Please edit Going to stay out of AV/V debates, better for my sanity. GÿåTank driverGÿå
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2212	Posted - 2013.12.18 03:39:00 - [90] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: Ok, but you're accusing the entire vehicle community... That's you falsifying information right there... Please edit Dude. Did you even read the last part of the OP? If you didn't then here you go: Atiim wrote: Also, I apologize in advance to the pilots who this does not encompass, as I am sure that this doesn't describe the ENTIRE community, as there is that small minority who actually want this game balanced. Why must vehicle pilots try to ruin DUST 514 for everyone? Do they really want to go 60/0 that badly?



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