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Spkr4theDead
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Posted - 2013.12.17 21:03:00 -
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For someone that calls himself a tanker, you sure don't mind cutting off your hands, feet, and nose because you don't like them.
I told you you weren't a tanker. You've never defended any build of them. You need to use AV to destroy vehicles instead of your own tank. I've completely stopped using forge guns since 1.7. I could probably delete 90% of my infantry fits because now all I want to do is tank.
Stop calling yourself a tanker.
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Spkr4theDead
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Posted - 2013.12.17 21:04:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:there isn't any reason to not go HAV my AV fit costs 80,000 ISK, I have to survive running at a tank,
while his fitting is cheaper than mine .....
I die 3 times in the attempt, even if I succeed I lose ....
Sorry, CCP took out the no risk all reward aspect of AV.
And are you talking about MLT? Are you using PRO? Of course MLT will be cheaper than PRO.
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Spkr4theDead
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Posted - 2013.12.17 21:06:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Atiim wrote:And there you have it folks. They just won't stop will they?
Pilots have made it very obvious that they want AV removed from the game. They have already proven multiple times that they will stop at nothing until their precious vehicles can go 60/0 without trying.
AV has already been nerfed, and now they want to nerf AV weapons that fall under the Light Weapon category even further. You are not safe Swarm Launcher and Plasma Cannon Users. And I guarantee that it wouldn't be to far of a stretch to say that they will come for Forge Gun users in the near future as well.
They have also already stated how they believe that AV should be required to use teamwork, yet HAVs themselves shouldn't. And at the same time they try to justify that with reasons so idiotic that even a 7 year old child could disprove it if they tried long enough.
Remember when I said that if pilots ever got their wish, then PRO AV would be so worthless that nobody would ever want to use it over a Railgun? Remember when I said that if pilots ever got their wish, then DUST 514's matches would be determined by who has the most tanks on the field at the same time?
Well nobody listed, and here is the result of that. You have this POS build where everyone would rather use an HAV or go as far as to strap Explosives on their LAVs and kill themselves, then use Anti-Vehicle weapons for Anti-Vehicle purposes.
Do you want to play a game where the match is always decided by who has the most HAVs? Do you? If so, then by all means please do allow pilots to spew lies and BS everywhere about how AV is "fine".
And to those who say, AV is fine. Please post a link of you killing a pilot with an IQ greater than 5 while using Anti-Vehicle weaponry. I'd even pay AUR to see it.
If these pilots get there way with the second SL/PLC nerf, then I'm going to take a break. And no, you scrubs will not has my ISK. You don't even need it. That would go to my corp or KING CHECKMATE.
And to the non-AV infantry, I have all but one question. "How long will you allow Tanker's "Logic" to ruin the game for you(us)?
Also, I apologize in advance to the pilots who this does not encompass, as I am sure that this doesn't describe the ENTIRE community, as there is that small minority who actually want this game balanced.
On an additional note, can anyone for the life of me please tell my why anyone should use AV over a MLT HAV? I'll give 1m ISK to the first one who can actually come up with a good reason.
-HAND.
So, wait, WHO was requesting another Swarm nerf? Nobody was, and the ones that are saying it are doing it to inflame infantry and troll.
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Spkr4theDead
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Posted - 2013.12.17 21:09:00 -
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drake sadani wrote:TL;DR version ,
tank players say keep nerfing AV .
AV says boost us back so we don't get owned
tank players say use better tactics .
AV says maybe you should use better tactics tankers
tank players say we don't have to . we're tanks
while mommy AV and tanker daddy fight the little 514 gamers are not getting fed and are being neglected We've been told to HTFU by infantry for a very long time. Now, we have situations like in Chromosome again, where a tank is its own best counter, and to infantry, the game is completely broken. They say it's not fair they should have to squad with a tanker to counter tanks. They tell us to squad with slayer infantry to counter AV. Well guess what, I'm more intelligent than AV, as countless threads post-Uprising deployment have proven, that infantry was still complaining about tanks.
Now infantry is seeing what it's like to be on the other side. And they sure don't like it.
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Spkr4theDead
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Posted - 2013.12.17 21:10:00 -
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Yoma Carrim wrote:Where is the link to the tread calling for a swarm nerf? As a tanker I would very much like to rip these idiots a new one.
I should not be able to passive shield regen through a friken AV Volley These are the changes infantry forced on CCP. Be happy with them.
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Spkr4theDead
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Posted - 2013.12.17 21:14:00 -
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Dengar Skirata wrote:AV was over nerfed, just like the flaylock. Think about it. Flaylock is OP, so we nerf flaylock and then buff other weapons by giving them aim assist. Nerfing the flaylock would have been fine, and buffing other weapons would have been fine, but instead CCP did both, and now look at the flaylock. The same thing has happened to AV weapons. AV is OP, so we nerf it, and then buff vehicles. Nerfing AV would have been fine, and buffing vehicles would have been fine, but, once again, CCP overdid it, and look at AV vs vehicles now. In my opinion, the vehicles are almost balanced, but not quite yet. RIP flaylock RIP AV Infantry forced the vehicle change on CCP with their incessant whining.
If CCP didn't nerf AV at all, do you really think anybody would tank anymore? Then again, that's the end game isn't it, have the cards so badly stacked against vehicles that nobody uses them.
CCP nerfed AV commensurate with the tank nerf.
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Spkr4theDead
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Posted - 2013.12.17 21:17:00 -
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drake sadani wrote:Quote: TBH I saw a long post by Atiim and figured 90% was lies or total crap so I just read your helpful summary and responded to it as I would him =D. Anyway, I got completely ****** when I first started playing tanks in chromosome, I started with MLT and got killed by proto maddys/gunnis/AV and went negative for freakin ever until I got enough SP to really round out my fit. I stayed, and lots of other people did too. I agree the new player experience needs to be 1000x better, but we can't change the whole game to pander to the people who will quit as soon as they face an uneven team, which happens sometimes in every multiplayer PvP game. certainly it happened to me a lot on many other games . but i had some kind of recourse to at least keep my head above water . right now the game is holding new players under the surface and drowning them . any kind of recourse. as a example . i used to play battlefield . bad comp and 3 . we would get camped all the time . i would get killed 20 times in a row . but . i felt fine with that because every now and again i could take a guided rocket and put it in someones teeth . or i could get away and do something besides die . it would be difficult. but i could do it . the situation we have now is there is nothing you can do as a noob. you have a swam launcher that does nothing noticeable AV nades that somewhat help but you have to get in tankity tanks face . and we have a heavy forge but if yo go right into that you end up neglecting the skills you need to survive normal person to person combat It's all about choices, and making sacrifices to build up something strong. I sacrifice being infantry to be a tanker.
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Spkr4theDead
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Posted - 2013.12.18 03:01:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:Atiim, I'll never understand why you are so outspoken on AV vs Tanks. You think tanks are OP? Use teamwork. But he's a tankerrrrrr! He knows how tanks work!!!!! He's so good that he uses AV to destroy tanks instead of his own tank!!!!!
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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