And there you have it folks. They just won't stop will they?

Pilots have made it very obvious that they want AV removed from the game. They have already proven multiple times that they will stop at nothing until their precious vehicles can go 60/0 without trying.

AV has already been nerfed, and now they want to nerf AV weapons that fall under the Light Weapon category even further. You are not safe Swarm Launcher and Plasma Cannon Users. And I guarantee that it wouldn't be to far of a stretch to say that they will come for Forge Gun users in the near future as well.

They have also already stated how they believe that AV should be required to use teamwork, yet HAVs themselves shouldn't. And at the same time they try to justify that with reasons so idiotic that even a 7 year old child could disprove it if they tried long enough.

Remember when I said that if pilots ever got their wish, then PRO AV would be so worthless that nobody would ever want to use it over a Railgun? Remember when I said that if pilots ever got their wish, then DUST 514's matches would be determined by who has the most tanks on the field at the same time?

Well nobody listed, and here is the result of that. You have this POS build where everyone would rather use an HAV or go as far as to strap Explosives on their LAVs and kill themselves, then use Anti-Vehicle weapons for Anti-Vehicle purposes.

Do you want to play a game where the match is always decided by who has the most HAVs? Do you? If so, then by all means please do allow pilots to spew lies and BS everywhere about how AV is "fine".

And to those who say, AV is fine. Please post a link of you killing a pilot with an IQ greater than 5 while using Anti-Vehicle weaponry. I'd even pay AUR to see it.

If these pilots get there way with the second SL/PLC nerf, then I'm going to take a break. And no, you scrubs will not has my ISK. You don't even need it. That would go to my corp or KING CHECKMATE.

And to the non-AV infantry, I have all but one question. "How long will you allow Tanker's "Logic" to ruin the game for you(us)?

Also, I apologize in advance to the pilots who this does not encompass, as I am sure that this doesn't describe the ENTIRE community, as there is that small minority who actually want this game balanced.

On an additional note, can anyone for the life of me please tell my why anyone should use AV over a MLT HAV? I'll give 1m ISK to the first one who can actually come up with a good reason.

-HAND.

TL;DR version ,

tank players say keep nerfing AV .

AV says boost us back so we don't get owned

tank players say use better tactics .

AV says maybe you should use better tactics tankers

tank players say we don't have to . we're tanks

while mommy AV and tanker daddy fight the little 514 gamers are not getting fed and are being neglected

there isn't any reason to not go HAV
my AV fit costs 80,000 ISK, I have to survive running at a tank,

while his fitting is cheaper than mine .....

I die 3 times in the attempt, even if I succeed I lose ....

TL;DR version ,

tank players say keep nerfing AV .

AV says boost us back so we don't get owned

tank players say use better tactics .

AV says maybe you should use better tactics tankers

tank players say we don't have to . we're tanks

while mommy AV and tanker daddy fight the little 514 gamers are not getting fed and are being neglected

And there you have it folks. They just won't stop will they?

Pilots have made it very obvious that they want AV removed from the game. They have already proven multiple times that they will stop at nothing until their precious vehicles can go 60/0 without trying.

AV has already been nerfed, and now they want to nerf AV weapons that fall under the Light Weapon category even further. You are not safe Swarm Launcher and Plasma Cannon Users. And I guarantee that it wouldn't be to far of a stretch to say that they will come for Forge Gun users in the near future as well.

They have also already stated how they believe that AV should be required to use teamwork, yet HAVs themselves shouldn't. And at the same time they try to justify that with reasons so idiotic that even a 7 year old child could disprove it if they tried long enough.

Remember when I said that if pilots ever got their wish, then PRO AV would be so worthless that nobody would ever want to use it over a Railgun? Remember when I said that if pilots ever got their wish, then DUST 514's matches would be determined by who has the most tanks on the field at the same time?

Well nobody listed, and here is the result of that. You have this POS build where everyone would rather use an HAV or go as far as to strap Explosives on their LAVs and kill themselves, then use Anti-Vehicle weapons for Anti-Vehicle purposes.

Do you want to play a game where the match is always decided by who has the most HAVs? Do you? If so, then by all means please do allow pilots to spew lies and BS everywhere about how AV is "fine".

And to those who say, AV is fine. Please post a link of you killing a pilot with an IQ greater than 5 while using Anti-Vehicle weaponry. I'd even pay AUR to see it.

If these pilots get there way with the second SL/PLC nerf, then I'm going to take a break. And no, you scrubs will not has my ISK. You don't even need it. That would go to my corp or KING CHECKMATE.

And to the non-AV infantry, I have all but one question. "How long will you allow Tanker's "Logic" to ruin the game for you(us)?

Also, I apologize in advance to the pilots who this does not encompass, as I am sure that this doesn't describe the ENTIRE community, as there is that small minority who actually want this game balanced.

On an additional note, can anyone for the life of me please tell my why anyone should use AV over a MLT HAV? I'll give 1m ISK to the first one who can actually come up with a good reason.

-HAND.

Atiim, whoever told you they still want AV nerfed is a complete and utter dumbass.

don't even give credence to what they are saying. that person is a POS and the reason this game is not as good as it could be.
i'm willing to bet even the majority of tankers would agree with this.

Tankers don't use tactics, right. So why were so many AV complaining when they got killed by the infantry the tank was working with?

AV was over nerfed, just like the flaylock. almost balanced, but not quite yet.

RIP flaylock
RIP AV

i am simply tanking a large post and making it bite sized for people who cannot read lots .

personally i have seen tanks use tactics . but not often .

now i have seen four sicas working in tandem with shield hardeners to grief MLT players . pretty sure the MLT guys left after that

AV was over nerfed, just like the flaylock. Think about it. Flaylock is OP, so we nerf flaylock and then buff other weapons by giving them aim assist. Nerfing the flaylock would have been fine, and buffing other weapons would have been fine, but instead CCP did both, and now look at the flaylock.

The same thing has happened to AV weapons. AV is OP, so we nerf it, and then buff vehicles. Nerfing AV would have been fine, and buffing vehicles would have been fine, but, once again, CCP overdid it, and look at AV vs vehicles now.

In my opinion, the vehicles are almost balanced, but not quite yet.

RIP flaylock
RIP AV

TBH I saw a long post by Atiim and figured 90% was lies or total crap so I just read your helpful summary and responded to it as I would him =D. Anyway, I got completely ****** when I first started playing tanks in chromosome, I started with MLT and got killed by proto maddys/gunnis/AV and went negative for freakin ever until I got enough SP to really round out my fit. I stayed, and lots of other people did too. I agree the new player experience needs to be 1000x better, but we can't change the whole game to pander to the people who will quit as soon as they face an uneven team, which happens sometimes in every multiplayer PvP game.

Where is the link to the tread calling for a swarm nerf? As a tanker I would very much like to rip these idiots a new one.

I should not be able to passive shield regen through a friken AV Volley

@work, but will link when I get the chance.

So, basically you're just as useless at work as you are on the forums?

And there you have it folks. They just won't stop will they?

Pilots have made it very obvious that they want AV removed from the game. They have already proven multiple times that they will stop at nothing until their precious vehicles can go 60/0 without trying.

AV has already been nerfed, and now they want to nerf AV weapons that fall under the Light Weapon category even further. You are not safe Swarm Launcher and Plasma Cannon Users. And I guarantee that it wouldn't be to far of a stretch to say that they will come for Forge Gun users in the near future as well.

They have also already stated how they believe that AV should be required to use teamwork, yet HAVs themselves shouldn't. And at the same time they try to justify that with reasons so idiotic that even a 7 year old child could disprove it if they tried long enough.

Remember when I said that if pilots ever got their wish, then PRO AV would be so worthless that nobody would ever want to use it over a Railgun? Remember when I said that if pilots ever got their wish, then DUST 514's matches would be determined by who has the most tanks on the field at the same time?

Well nobody listed, and here is the result of that. You have this POS build where everyone would rather use an HAV or go as far as to strap Explosives on their LAVs and kill themselves, then use Anti-Vehicle weapons for Anti-Vehicle purposes.

Do you want to play a game where the match is always decided by who has the most HAVs? Do you? If so, then by all means please do allow pilots to spew lies and BS everywhere about how AV is "fine".

And to those who say, AV is fine. Please post a link of you killing a pilot with an IQ greater than 5 while using Anti-Vehicle weaponry. I'd even pay AUR to see it.

If these pilots get there way with the second SL/PLC nerf, then I'm going to take a break. And no, you scrubs will not has my ISK. You don't even need it. That would go to my corp or KING CHECKMATE.

And to the non-AV infantry, I have all but one question. "How long will you allow Tanker's "Logic" to ruin the game for you(us)?

Also, I apologize in advance to the pilots who this does not encompass, as I am sure that this doesn't describe the ENTIRE community, as there is that small minority who actually want this game balanced.

On an additional note, can anyone for the life of me please tell my why anyone should use AV over a MLT HAV? I'll give 1m ISK to the first one who can actually come up with a good reason.

-HAND.

there isn't any reason to not go HAV
my AV fit costs 80,000 ISK, I have to survive running at a tank,

while his fitting is cheaper than mine .....

I die 3 times in the attempt, even if I succeed I lose ....