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Lorhak Gannarsein
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Posted - 2013.12.19 07:52:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Flix Keptick wrote:You crazy?!? Who the fak asked for swarms to be nerfed even more? All this bullshit makes tankers like me that want actual balance (I.e: swarms are ******* **** right now) look bad  It was referencing the people who want to make Swarm Launchers only viable against LAVs. I may not be Merriam Webster, but I think that is encompassed under the definition of "nerf". And it's also a great way to guarantee that nobody will ever use them. A win/win for pilots.
While I agree that swarms are UP right now, and could use a lock range buff and a 10% or thereabouts damage buff...
leaving them as is in no way constitutes a nerf.
I imagine that Webster (and more importantly, Oxford) would agree with me.
>Cosgar: You know, tanks are actually paper thin once their modules are in cooldown.
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Seymor Krelborn
DUST University
Ivy League
1726
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Posted - 2013.12.19 08:07:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Atiim wrote:Flix Keptick wrote:You crazy?!? Who the fak asked for swarms to be nerfed even more? All this bullshit makes tankers like me that want actual balance (I.e: swarms are ******* **** right now) look bad It was referencing the people who want to make Swarm Launchers only viable against LAVs. I may not be Merriam Webster, but I think that is encompassed under the definition of "nerf". And it's also a great way to guarantee that nobody will ever use them. A win/win for pilots. While I agree that swarms are UP right now, and could use a lock range buff and a 10% or thereabouts damage buff... leaving them as is in no way constitutes a nerf. I imagine that Webster (and more importantly, Oxford) would agree with me.
no, leaving them the way they are now constitutes the continuation of a nerf... a way over powered nerf...
I don't think a weapon that can only target vehicles should be weaker than any other AV.... just doesn't make sense.
it should either be the most powerful AV choice, or able to lock on to infantry as well.... just like the forge gun.
stop the lol bans in FW.... instead make teamkillers purple!
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129910&fi
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CharCharOdell
1749
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Posted - 2013.12.19 08:07:00 -
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tell me who and ill rip their throat out. also, i support a MLT tank speed and pg/cpu nerf.
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Speaker of the Mangrove / King of QQ / Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
4239
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Posted - 2013.12.19 08:14:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:no, leaving them the way they are now constitutes the continuation of a nerf... a way over powered nerf...
I don't think a weapon that can only target vehicles should be weaker than any other AV.... just doesn't make sense.
it should either be the most powerful AV choice, or able to lock on to infantry as well.... just like the forge gun.
That's nice. Check out the thread title:
Quote:LOLTank Brigade Wants Swarm Launchers Nerfed? Again?!
You might recognise that last word. The thread isn't about MAINTAINING a nerf, it's about nerfing AGAIN.
I'd really love to see confirmed and linked quotes from enough prominent tankers to qualify as a "brigade" which back this thread's claims. I won't say it's a lie, but it would surprise me if it really happened. |
Justicar Karnellia
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement
Caldari State
282
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Posted - 2013.12.19 09:39:00 -
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I can't agree more with what you said. I too saw this alarming trend on patch night - the zero-sum game that is the tank vs infantry debate now boils down to: because it takes multiple AV to counter a tank, you might as well counter a tank with a tank - now the person who has more tanks has the advantage because
a) a tank can counter tanks
b) a tank can counter infantry (and is virtually immune to them)
There is now no disadvantage to deploying a tank, not even cost. It's disturbing and has changed the dynamic of the game uncomfortably.
I think it's clear by now people understand that ill-informed statements like "It should take multiple AV's or a team to take down a tank" or my favourite "my tank is so expensive it should be powerful" have no place in this debate.
There is only valid argument put forward by tankers which should be looked at (assuming they rebalance AV to have a specialised AV able to counter a tank) - the fact that there is a skill point disparity between someone who wants to become "AV" and someone who wants to tank. AV simply consists of just skilling into one of the two weapons that can counter tanks and equipping AV grenades - there is no specialist suit that gives bonuses, nor specialist skills required. Perhaps the creation of an AV tree might calm these concerns. Having said that, the swarm launcher is so ineffective now that it's not really worth bringing out onto the field anymore so that leaves on effective AV weapon.
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Seymor Krelborn
DUST University
Ivy League
1726
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Posted - 2013.12.19 10:31:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:no, leaving them the way they are now constitutes the continuation of a nerf... a way over powered nerf...
I don't think a weapon that can only target vehicles should be weaker than any other AV.... just doesn't make sense.
it should either be the most powerful AV choice, or able to lock on to infantry as well.... just like the forge gun. That's nice. Check out the thread title: Quote:LOLTank Brigade Wants Swarm Launchers Nerfed? Again?! You might recognise that last word. The thread isn't about MAINTAINING a nerf, it's about nerfing AGAIN. I'd really love to see confirmed and linked quotes from enough prominent tankers to qualify as a "brigade" which back this thread's claims. I won't say it's a lie, but it would surprise me if it really happened.
read it understand it.... just spreading the word....
stop the lol bans in FW.... instead make teamkillers purple!
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Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens
League of Infamy
439
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Posted - 2013.12.19 10:56:00 -
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Flix Keptick wrote:Ok, but you're accusing the entire vehicle community... That's you falsifying information right there... Please edit
Tank Driver? Where are you finding "tanks" in Dust?
I still can't find tanks on the market. All I see are those HAVs.
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
1986
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Posted - 2013.12.19 12:41:00 -
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OP is just butthurt
I dont think any tanker has mention anything about an extra AV nerf, hell ive even said the PLC needs a buff
Intelligence is OP
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Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
377
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Posted - 2013.12.19 13:03:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:OP is just butthurt
I dont think any tanker has mention anything about an extra AV nerf, hell ive even said the PLC needs a buff
Well there are several posts floating around suggesting just this If these were made by HAV pilots is hard to tell as this is not written to your profile... |
NAV HIV
The Generals
General Tso's Alliance
631
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Posted - 2013.12.19 14:14:00 -
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2 Wyrkomi + lai dai vs Soma and Soma wins. Just saying. |
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Harpyja
DUST University
Ivy League
924
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Posted - 2013.12.19 14:20:00 -
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Return free fire on swarm launchers and it should stop most of the complaining. Just have some spread among the missiles and 220 damage per missile shouldn't be as scary as it was before free fire was removed. Also now that you have brick tanked suits with EHP much higher than it ever was, free fire shouldn't be OP.
"By His light, and His will"
- The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
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Thumb Green
Novashift
587
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Posted - 2013.12.19 15:06:00 -
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Commander Tzu wrote:drake sadani wrote:TL;DR version ,
tank players say keep nerfing AV .
AV says boost us back so we don't get owned
tank players say use better tactics .
AV says maybe you should use better tactics tankers
tank players say we don't have to . we're tanks
while mommy AV and tanker daddy fight the little 514 gamers are not getting fed and are being neglected Tankers don't use tactics, right. So why were so many AV complaining when they got killed by the infantry the tank was working with?
Infantry being around the tank is not the same as the tank working with infantry.
Never mind the president, let's overgrow the government.
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
1987
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Posted - 2013.12.19 15:37:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:Commander Tzu wrote:drake sadani wrote:TL;DR version ,
tank players say keep nerfing AV .
AV says boost us back so we don't get owned
tank players say use better tactics .
AV says maybe you should use better tactics tankers
tank players say we don't have to . we're tanks
while mommy AV and tanker daddy fight the little 514 gamers are not getting fed and are being neglected Tankers don't use tactics, right. So why were so many AV complaining when they got killed by the infantry the tank was working with? Infantry being around the tank is not the same as the tank working with infantry.
How do you know they are not working together?
Intelligence is OP
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Thumb Green
Novashift
587
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Posted - 2013.12.19 15:43:00 -
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Because most of the time the infantry aren't in the same squad with the tanker and the tanker doesn't have his voice activated in team chat.
Never mind the president, let's overgrow the government.
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
1920
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Posted - 2013.12.19 15:47:00 -
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Yes, 1.7 was the World of Tanks patch.
However I think the change to the underlaying mechanics will make balancing AV to Tanks easier.
Yes, I think AV will be buffed in 1.8. FTM tankers can enjoy themselves this Christmas. It will change in January.
Any pilot who asks for an AV nerf now gives up all credibility by doing so. Save the link to the post, because for the rest of their DUST career you will be able to say GÇ£Hay, arenGÇÖt you the guy that was asking for AV nerfs in the middle of the World of Tanks era?GÇ¥and completely invalidate their credibility.
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else, there is the Learning Coalition.
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Commander Tzu
L.O.T.I.S.
Public Disorder.
107
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Posted - 2013.12.19 18:42:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:Because most of the time the infantry aren't in the same squad with the tanker and the tanker doesn't have his voice activated in team chat.
Why be voiced in team with a bunch of randoms when you can be voiced in your squad with people you know  . Seriously though, team chat is usually either empty because people are in squad chat or full of annoying people who don't help/listen/communicate anyway. |
Kharga Lum
Xeno Labs Security
161
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Posted - 2013.12.19 19:19:00 -
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Why nerf AV? It's already pathetic.
If anyone is calling for a nerf it's pilots who are $#!7 at tanking. |
Phazoid
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
141
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Posted - 2013.12.19 19:58:00 -
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the only benefit AV has over tanks is the use of cover and the ability to get inside buildings, now i cant destroy a mlt tank, also i find amazing that no one has at least AV grenades on their fits, there are so many tanks and they heal far too fast
Ib'tuur jatne tuur ash'ad kyr'amur (Today is a good day for someone else to die).
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