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Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1493	Posted - 2013.12.16 08:21:00 - [121] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: I'm telling infantry to HTFU. basically saying "I like the easy mode currently, so HTFU" LOL @ tanks being considered the new FOTM. Calling them in has already slowed down, because those thinking of trying it come across people like me and get absolutely destroyed. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1493	Posted - 2013.12.16 08:22:00 - [122] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Xender17 wrote: Nobody understands or is accepting that you actually have to play smart to kill a tank. When a sniper continuously kills your team do you just use the same fitting and go looking for wherever he could possibly be? No. You grab a sniper rifle and counter him. This game isn't rock paper scissors anymore. this game hasn't been rock paper scissors since Uprising. It's been a FoTM game. Now tanks are the FoTM. Everyone thought it was gonna be Gallente + RR Something can't be FOTM if the whole team can't use it at the same time. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4631	Posted - 2013.12.16 08:23:00 - [123] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: I'm telling infantry to HTFU. basically saying "I like the easy mode currently, so HTFU" LOL @ tanks being considered the new FOTM. Calling them in has already slowed down, because those thinking of trying it come across people like me and get absolutely destroyed. Can't wait for the tank nerf or AV buff It's coming, just wait and see. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Commander Tzu L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 82	Posted - 2013.12.16 08:27:00 - [124] - Quote Too many quotes, don't feel like dealing with the code. "If you're a tanker and you got solo'd by a FG that you can see, you're a noob." That's what you said and I can only take it to mean that you think a hidden FGer is a dangerous and effective AV weapon, which is what I was trying to say, and what you were disagreeing with. Either you disagree, which your recent post would indicate otherwise, or we are actually arguing while agreeing. Either way, FGers right now are effective if used properly, if standing in the open they get slaughtered, they can dish a lot of damage but they can't out tank a tank.
echo47 Minmatar Republic 116	Posted - 2013.12.16 08:27:00 - [125] - Quote Another silly thread. This is what the discussion should be about: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129058&find=unread I would rather look bad and win, than look good and lose.
echo47 Minmatar Republic 116	Posted - 2013.12.16 08:28:00 - [126] - Quote echo47 wrote: Another silly thread. This is what the discussion should be about: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129058&find=unread A solution I would rather look bad and win, than look good and lose.
Commander Tzu L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 82	Posted - 2013.12.16 08:30:00 - [127] - Quote echo47 wrote: double post Nice.
AP Grasshopper The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 77	Posted - 2013.12.16 08:38:00 - [128] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: The 1.7 patch is not a week old, and very few of them are happy with it. Guess what... these are the results of you constantly complaining about tanks. Now they're better, and all of you are still trying to use AV to destroy us. Well, now CCP made it so the best counter to a tank is another one. See a Madrugar with a blaster ruining infantry? Have someone call in a Gunnlogi with a missile turret. See a Gunnlogi with a blaster ruining infantry? Call in a tank with a railgun to destroy it. What's so hard about rolling with a competent tanker? I want someone to explain that to me. Why is that so hard? ITs not so hard. But its wrong to HAVE to play with a tanker in order to have a Chance.Its not balance. Its stupid. like this thread. Its wrong to HAVE to play with a logi in order to have a chance. Its not balance. wah wah wambulance. someone call the wambulance.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 354	Posted - 2013.12.16 08:39:00 - [129] - Quote RydogV wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: RydogV wrote: I don't know what folks are complaining about with tanks. Other than the redonkulous speed, they are totally kill-able. I have killed more tanks in the past few days than I had in the past few months. And I am only running Advanced Swarms with zero Proficiency, and some EX-0 A/V grenades. You don't need a tank to kill another tank...you just need a couple of A/V gunners who can work together. At the very least, they are going to run off and give you some breathing room for a bit. Next best thing to a kill in my book. Heck the best games are the ones with 3 or 4 enemy tanks running around. Not only is it a target rich environment but those teams rarely can hold on to their objectives. Easy wins, every time. What do AVers get for "chasing" a tank away? Nothing. No kill means no WP. No WP means less profit. Less profit means you can't AFFORD to run the only AV that actually has an effect on vehicles(proto). Not everyone has a corporate sugardaddy. What do you get? You get the win. A win pays out more than a loss, every time. There is profit in a win. YOu do know that ISK payout is linked to WP and your position on the scoreboard? Without WP and a good place you will get nothing for the win. Infact you better do something else to get more WP and loose to make profit...instead of running AV.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 942	Posted - 2013.12.16 08:55:00 - [130] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Comes in tread to have a logical conversation Sees the guy who was complaining about proximity mines Leaves thread +1 Spkr4theDead: your credibility is rapidly going down the sewer... there was no credibility to begin with

Lea Silencio 0uter.Heaven 936	Posted - 2013.12.16 10:13:00 - [131] - Quote People remember Spkr in MAG for the rage mail he sent you everytime you killed him. Just a sad little kid. Has anyone ever seen him when he is OUT of his tank and running infantry? A blind person could put up better numbers. Seriously. Let him hide his bad FPS habits in his tank. Smdh. PurificationGäó It's what I do. Amarr Victor
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4188	Posted - 2013.12.16 10:23:00 - [132] - Quote AP Grasshopper wrote: Its wrong to HAVE to play with a logi in order to have a chance. Its not balance. wah wah wambulance. someone call the wambulance. If your squad doesn't have a Logi, you can fit an armour repper and bring your own Nanohives. If your squad doesn't have any Assault guys, one of your Logi players can bring AR/ScR/CR/RR and fill the role adequately. If your squad doesn't have any Scouts you can bring a Scanner to see the enemy Scouts coming. If your squad doesn't have any tankers... bring a tank? Oddly... yeah, that works. It's not actually too difficult to put together a half-decent Militia tank armed with a Railgun. That's pretty much all you're going to need to get rid of an enemy tank that's built for anti-infantry combat. And it doesn't currently cost too much either. Obviously, the option we SHOULD have is to bring an AV fitting, but that particular option is a bit short of the effectiveness people are used to, and AV really needs to be a primary role if you want to be good at it.
Freshticles DIOS EX. 332	Posted - 2013.12.16 10:25:00 - [133] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Tanker mentality is the reason why you don't let tankers balance gameplay. Especially Spkr threads.... *Regnum cringes Mentality, that's a big word regnum. Must have been short of it when the power of your rage in PC blew up my richter scale :P Level 9001 Forum Wizard
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1493	Posted - 2013.12.16 10:41:00 - [134] - Quote Lea Silencio wrote: People remember Spkr in MAG for the rage mail he sent you everytime you killed him. Just a sad little kid. Has anyone ever seen him when he is OUT of his tank and running infantry? A blind person could put up better numbers. Seriously. Let him hide his bad FPS habits in his tank. Smdh. Easy to say when you have Ancient Exiles carrying you, plus a squad of forge gunners camping like babies. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1493	Posted - 2013.12.16 10:44:00 - [135] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Comes in tread to have a logical conversation Sees the guy who was complaining about proximity mines Leaves thread +1 Spkr4theDead: your credibility is rapidly going down the sewer... there was no credibility to begin with Tanker mentality is the reason why you don't let tankers balance gameplay, they all want to solo entire teams with tanks that are cheaper than dropsuits. I wonder why they dont go play CoD instead, that game seems to fit their mentality well... Spkr4theDead obviously wants a reasoning that even a mouthbreathing kid full of himself understands... ok, go play rock paper scissor with a slight rule change, rocks can only be defeated by other rocks. I can also turn his stupid question around. What's so hard about rolling with a competent infantry slayer? I want someone to explain that to me. Why is that so hard? if he still does not get it now, well then he has other issues Because I don't care to run with "infantry slayers." They get in the way. Had some supposed "slayers" on my team for PCs crying that there's a tank around. "GUYS NEED A TANK HERE GOT A RED TANK!!!" "Do you have any AV grenades?" "NO GET OVER HERE!!" Infantry in my squad: "Oh see a red tank being called in!" 3 tankers in my squad: "Oh where!!" We squeal in delight at the sight of red tanks, because we're eager for that battle. It's basically the same when you see someone from here, battle them to see who comes out on top. I enjoy battling other tankers without AV interference to see who comes out on top. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1493	Posted - 2013.12.16 10:47:00 - [136] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: RydogV wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: RydogV wrote: I don't know what folks are complaining about with tanks. Other than the redonkulous speed, they are totally kill-able. I have killed more tanks in the past few days than I had in the past few months. And I am only running Advanced Swarms with zero Proficiency, and some EX-0 A/V grenades. You don't need a tank to kill another tank...you just need a couple of A/V gunners who can work together. At the very least, they are going to run off and give you some breathing room for a bit. Next best thing to a kill in my book. Heck the best games are the ones with 3 or 4 enemy tanks running around. Not only is it a target rich environment but those teams rarely can hold on to their objectives. Easy wins, every time. What do AVers get for "chasing" a tank away? Nothing. No kill means no WP. No WP means less profit. Less profit means you can't AFFORD to run the only AV that actually has an effect on vehicles(proto). Not everyone has a corporate sugardaddy. What do you get? You get the win. A win pays out more than a loss, every time. There is profit in a win. You do know that ISK payout is linked to WP and your position on the scoreboard? Without WP and a good place you will get nothing for the win. Infact you better do something else to get more WP and loose to make profit...instead of running AV. Orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.... you do anything you can to help your team win, and the payout doesn't matter. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1493	Posted - 2013.12.16 10:51:00 - [137] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: I'm telling infantry to HTFU. basically saying "I like the easy mode currently, so HTFU" LOL @ tanks being considered the new FOTM. Calling them in has already slowed down, because those thinking of trying it come across people like me and get absolutely destroyed. Can't wait for the tank nerf or AV buff It's coming, just wait and see. Can't wait for the "AV IS OP!" threads to pop back up from bad tankers. When a swarm takes out 1/3 of a tank's HP in one volley, there's a problem. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 354	Posted - 2013.12.16 10:54:00 - [138] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: RydogV wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: RydogV wrote: I don't know what folks are complaining about with tanks. Other than the redonkulous speed, they are totally kill-able. I have killed more tanks in the past few days than I had in the past few months. And I am only running Advanced Swarms with zero Proficiency, and some EX-0 A/V grenades. You don't need a tank to kill another tank...you just need a couple of A/V gunners who can work together. At the very least, they are going to run off and give you some breathing room for a bit. Next best thing to a kill in my book. Heck the best games are the ones with 3 or 4 enemy tanks running around. Not only is it a target rich environment but those teams rarely can hold on to their objectives. Easy wins, every time. What do AVers get for "chasing" a tank away? Nothing. No kill means no WP. No WP means less profit. Less profit means you can't AFFORD to run the only AV that actually has an effect on vehicles(proto). Not everyone has a corporate sugardaddy. What do you get? You get the win. A win pays out more than a loss, every time. There is profit in a win. You do know that ISK payout is linked to WP and your position on the scoreboard? Without WP and a good place you will get nothing for the win. Infact you better do something else to get more WP and loose to make profit...instead of running AV. Orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.... you do anything you can to help your team win, and the payout doesn't matter. But didn't tanker complained about the same Issue? And whats the point in winning when you don't get anything for it winning just for the win? Why shhould I when can make more profit by simply avoiding AV and do something elsse and get better payouts for loosing.
daishi mk03 BLACK-GUARD Die Fremdenlegion 512	Posted - 2013.12.16 11:07:00 - [139] - Quote Lea Silencio wrote: People remember Spkr in MAG for the rage mail he sent you everytime you killed him. Just a sad little kid. Has anyone ever seen him when he is OUT of his tank and running infantry? A blind person could put up better numbers. Seriously. Let him hide his bad FPS habits in his tank. Smdh. lol, nice, +1 To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin. The Scriptures,Book of Missions
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1493	Posted - 2013.12.16 11:12:00 - [140] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: But didn't tanker complained about the same Issue? And whats the point in winning when you don't get anything for it winning just for the win? Why shhould I when can make more profit by simply avoiding AV and do something elsse and get better payouts for loosing. And there's the entitlement problem. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.

CrotchGrab 360 565	Posted - 2013.12.16 11:29:00 - [141] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: The 1.7 patch is not a week old, and very few of them are happy with it. Guess what... these are the results of you constantly complaining about tanks. Now they're better, and all of you are still trying to use AV to destroy us. Well, now CCP made it so the best counter to a tank is another one. See a Madrugar with a blaster ruining infantry? Have someone call in a Gunnlogi with a missile turret. See a Gunnlogi with a blaster ruining infantry? Call in a tank with a railgun to destroy it. What's so hard about rolling with a competent tanker? I want someone to explain that to me. Why is that so hard? NO this is the result of YOU CONSTANTLY complaining about AV
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1493	Posted - 2013.12.16 11:31:00 - [142] - Quote CrotchGrab 360 wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: The 1.7 patch is not a week old, and very few of them are happy with it. Guess what... these are the results of you constantly complaining about tanks. Now they're better, and all of you are still trying to use AV to destroy us. Well, now CCP made it so the best counter to a tank is another one. See a Madrugar with a blaster ruining infantry? Have someone call in a Gunnlogi with a missile turret. See a Gunnlogi with a blaster ruining infantry? Call in a tank with a railgun to destroy it. What's so hard about rolling with a competent tanker? I want someone to explain that to me. Why is that so hard? NO this is the result of YOU CONSTANTLY complaining about AV If you say so. If true, however, it would be the first time CCP took our advice over infantry. Don't like it, do you. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
General John Ripper Pradox One Proficiency V. 18541	Posted - 2013.12.16 11:34:00 - [143] - Quote I am not supposed to reply to this thread. However I suck at doing what I am told, just ask CCP. My alts: DeadlyAztec11, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior.
CrotchGrab 360 565	Posted - 2013.12.16 11:39:00 - [144] - Quote So if I see a Madrguar on the field destroying everyone I just pull out my tank right? My Militia tank? Where 0 of my 12m SP has been invested into? It's OK guys, don't worry about the fact I've got a Ferrari, JUST BUY YOUR OWN FERRARI!
CrotchGrab 360 565	Posted - 2013.12.16 11:40:00 - [145] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: CrotchGrab 360 wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: The 1.7 patch is not a week old, and very few of them are happy with it. Guess what... these are the results of you constantly complaining about tanks. Now they're better, and all of you are still trying to use AV to destroy us. Well, now CCP made it so the best counter to a tank is another one. See a Madrugar with a blaster ruining infantry? Have someone call in a Gunnlogi with a missile turret. See a Gunnlogi with a blaster ruining infantry? Call in a tank with a railgun to destroy it. What's so hard about rolling with a competent tanker? I want someone to explain that to me. Why is that so hard? NO this is the result of YOU CONSTANTLY complaining about AV If you say so. If true, however, it would be the first time CCP took our advice over infantry. Don't like it, do you. Sp4kr it's like 5am for you, go to bed, your fingers need a rest.
Slag Emberforge Immortal Retribution 304	Posted - 2013.12.16 11:50:00 - [146] - Quote Speaker, please pick up a little what were putting down: 1. You have no credibility as you are a scrub. 2. No one respects you 3. Your ideas are bad, and you should feel bad. 4. Dust like EVE is Risk vs ISK, current model does not support this 4a. Militia tank cost is too low 4b. Militia tank power is to high in respect to AV (needing proto AV for MLT tanks) 4c. Av is meant to be the counter, not a deterrent 4d. Destroying tanks is the role and purpose behind AV 4e. AV is awarded based on performance, without kills there is no purpose 5. Balance does not equal rock smashing paper and scissors while only taken out by rock 6. Realism has no place in Dust, and even if it did you'd be wrong 6a. See Javelin, AT, and a sundry other variety of Anti tank weaponry (swarms) 6b. See Railguns (currently installations) made for destroying air craft carriers 7. If you can only play tanks to get kills its obvious why you are so vocal, see points 1 and 2. Get good. 8. You are only making yourself worse with these threads whining about REs and suicide LAVs, if AV was where it should be you would not see infantry going to such extremes to destroy tanks. I think that about covers it! King checkmate, atiim, etc. thoughts? Things I missed?
PEW JACKSON s i n g u l a r i t y 129	Posted - 2013.12.16 11:52:00 - [147] - Quote AV at it's finest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kfs-XZ2W_qk Makes me happy to see tanks go up in flames
BL4CKST4R warravens League of Infamy 1363	Posted - 2013.12.16 12:02:00 - [148] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: The 1.7 patch is not a week old, and very few of them are happy with it. Guess what... these are the results of you constantly complaining about tanks. Now they're better, and all of you are still trying to use AV to destroy us. Well, now CCP made it so the best counter to a tank is another one. See a Madrugar with a blaster ruining infantry? Have someone call in a Gunnlogi with a missile turret. See a Gunnlogi with a blaster ruining infantry? Call in a tank with a railgun to destroy it. What's so hard about rolling with a competent tanker? I want someone to explain that to me. Why is that so hard? AV means Anti-Vehicle. Anti: opposed to; against Vehicle: A vehicle is a mobile machine that transports passengers or cargo. It is to my assumption that the purpose of AV is to counter vehicles unless you can explain to me how Anti-Vehicle means otherwise.
BL4CKST4R warravens League of Infamy 1363	Posted - 2013.12.16 12:10:00 - [149] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: I'm telling infantry to HTFU. basically saying "I like the easy mode currently, so HTFU" LOL @ tanks being considered the new FOTM. Calling them in has already slowed down, because those thinking of trying it come across people like me and get absolutely destroyed. Can't wait for the tank nerf or AV buff It's coming, just wait and see. Can't wait for the "AV IS OP!" threads to pop back up from bad tankers. When a swarm takes out 1/3 of a tank's HP in one volley, there's a problem. If this is a proto swarm vs a proto tank I don't see a problem, specially if its a Proto assault swarm. This gives the tank about 10 seconds to take cover and recover, locate the swarmer and eliminate him, if he gets cocky he will obviously pay the penalty. That being said when a tank can be taken out this quickly obviously his tank shouldn't be worth 10x the price of the swarmer.
DootDoot Da Short Buss 133	Posted - 2013.12.16 12:23:00 - [150] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: The 1.7 patch is not a week old, and very few of them are happy with it. Guess what... these are the results of you constantly complaining about tanks. Now they're better, and all of you are still trying to use AV to destroy us. Well, now CCP made it so the best counter to a tank is another one. See a Madrugar with a blaster ruining infantry? Have someone call in a Gunnlogi with a missile turret. See a Gunnlogi with a blaster ruining infantry? Call in a tank with a railgun to destroy it. What's so hard about rolling with a competent tanker? I want someone to explain that to me. Why is that so hard? Maybe DUST is supposed to be really like this http://dust514.com/media/videos/gathering-forces/ instead of what we have had.



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