So remove AV weapons all together?

Have you ever played Homefront? You don't have a clue what an OP tank is until you played that. An Apache helicopter, Hellfire missles, RPGs, and C4 attacking at once wouldn't kill a tank. That's not an exageration either. They could also be immune to EMP attacks...

...I miss that game

The 1.7 patch is not a week old, and very few of them are happy with it.

Guess what... these are the results of you constantly complaining about tanks. Now they're better, and all of you are still trying to use AV to destroy us. Well, now CCP made it so the best counter to a tank is another one. See a Madrugar with a blaster ruining infantry? Have someone call in a Gunnlogi with a missile turret. See a Gunnlogi with a blaster ruining infantry? Call in a tank with a railgun to destroy it.

What's so hard about rolling with a competent tanker? I want someone to explain that to me. Why is that so hard?

http://worldoftanks.eu/

look above for competent tankers and a very good tank game


if you want a shite tank game and easy mode stay here and tell us of balance.

militia is meant to be able to take out militia? no? think of militia swarms + militia forge gun vs militia tank when proto AV is pretty ineffective against them unless they get lucky wtf is militia meant to do moron.

ok I know I was wrong for putting any SP's into AV and yes I should have put them first into RE so that I can attach them to my LAV and ram a shield tank with hardeners down. or maybe stack a pile of RE next to a proximity mine?

all those simpletons who say tanks are not OP because I killed a tank. no shite your bount to get one or 2 of the 6 out of 7 guys going around with next to no SP's in tanks eventually. but to be honest it really does not matter at 70k a pop

people are simply not logging in so because the game is crap as things stand.

all the proof i need to say havs are not OP and can be killed by AV infantry

http://youtu.be/usS7EMgBdW4?t=5m

all the proof i need to say havs are not OP and can be killed by AV infantry

http://youtu.be/usS7EMgBdW4?t=5m

Sad, coming from a heavy. I figure you'd understand it. But alas, infantry doesn't get it. I also moonlight as a PRO forger, and do support you in your heavy cause.

Well, in Chromosome we had AVers complain tanks were too strong. Then in Uprising they were horrible and tankers complained. Now they are strong and weak. Plus I think they were going for something a little different, the best thing to take out a tank is another tank, next best is a heavy with a forge gun, and last is medium or light suits with AV. Assuming everything is perfectly balanced, that doesn't seem like a terribly bad hierarchy. Tanks being the best to take out tanks makes sense, tanks are designed to do a lot of damage and take a lot of damage, the perfect combo to take out a tank. On the other hand Heavies do almost as much damage as tanks but they don't have the ability to take a lot from tank weaponry (or even some infantry weapons but that's a different problem) so they are the next best thing. Then medium and light suits using swarms do the least damage but are still effective. This would mean tanks can fight tanks in the open but heavies can still kill tanks in roughly the same time as another tank, they just have to use their better mobility to get a positional advantage because they are much more vulnerable to return fire. Right now heavies seem to be in need of more diverse roles, and their descriptions always mention they are the only suit to be able to fight tanks on their own.

As far as a tank being the best counter to a tank there is at least one similar scenario faced by infantry. If you're playing in an all infantry match and you get shot by a sniper and want to kill him you have a few options. You could always run directly at him until you get in range, but they would probably lead to him shooting you until you die or just running before you get close. Or, you could go the long way and use cover or sneak up and ambush the sniper. However, both of those are time consuming and usually contain higher levels of death than just simply switching to a sniper fit of your own and counter-sniping.

Right now tanks are the best thing to kill a tank, but heavies and forge guns HURT, especially with hardeners off. Swarms on the other hand are much more situational, it seems instead of giving medium/light suits the ability to be dedicated AV they left that to the heavies. Now mediums and lights with swarms are more about fighting vehicles on a particular objective than being map-wide. Heavies get an additional role (I think that brings it up to two now?) with the ability to go full AV, and mediums/lights can defend themselves.

Off to bed, let the flaming begin.

You still control the whole tank.

Next

The 1.7 patch is not a week old, and very few of them are happy with it.

Guess what... these are the results of you constantly complaining about tanks. Now they're better, and all of you are still trying to use AV to destroy us. Well, now CCP made it so the best counter to a tank is another one. See a Madrugar with a blaster ruining infantry? Have someone call in a Gunnlogi with a missile turret. See a Gunnlogi with a blaster ruining infantry? Call in a tank with a railgun to destroy it.

What's so hard about rolling with a competent tanker? I want someone to explain that to me. Why is that so hard?

basically the same logic as OP, to beat rock, you bring in another rock. Paper? Yea it hurts rock, but to actually kill rock with paper you'll need to wait till rock is weak and you'll need 3-4 paper sheets.

Yea that sounds balanced. May as well take AV out the game tbh if the best way to take out tanks is with another tank.

Oh I understand fully well... I understand you like easy mode.

The bane of heavies USED to be scouts, and that's one thing I accepted, never called for a nerf because that's balance. HMGs are too weak in CQC where they're suppose to dominate, like ARs dominate at range...instead ARs dominate everywhere. That's not balanced, and tanks vs AV is not balanced either, regardless of how you try to spin it.

CCP nerfed AV then buffed tanks, and on top of it tanks are as fast as LAVs now, and you're here saying tanks are fine? C'mon man, grow a pair and admit you like the easy mode tanks are now.

Well, in Chromosome we had AVers complain tanks were too strong. Then in Uprising they were horrible and tankers complained. Now they are strong and weak. Plus I think they were going for something a little different, the best thing to take out a tank is another tank, next best is a heavy with a forge gun, and last is medium or light suits with AV. Assuming everything is perfectly balanced, that doesn't seem like a terribly bad hierarchy. Tanks being the best to take out tanks makes sense, tanks are designed to do a lot of damage and take a lot of damage, the perfect combo to take out a tank. On the other hand Heavies do almost as much damage as tanks but they don't have the ability to take a lot from tank weaponry (or even some infantry weapons but that's a different problem) so they are the next best thing. Then medium and light suits using swarms do the least damage but are still effective. This would mean tanks can fight tanks in the open but heavies can still kill tanks in roughly the same time as another tank, they just have to use their better mobility to get a positional advantage because they are much more vulnerable to return fire. Right now heavies seem to be in need of more diverse roles, and their descriptions always mention they are the only suit to be able to fight tanks on their own.

As far as a tank being the best counter to a tank there is at least one similar scenario faced by infantry. If you're playing in an all infantry match and you get shot by a sniper and want to kill him you have a few options. You could always run directly at him until you get in range, but they would probably lead to him shooting you until you die or just running before you get close. Or, you could go the long way and use cover or sneak up and ambush the sniper. However, both of those are time consuming and usually contain higher levels of death than just simply switching to a sniper fit of your own and counter-sniping.

Right now tanks are the best thing to kill a tank, but heavies and forge guns HURT, especially with hardeners off. Swarms on the other hand are much more situational, it seems instead of giving medium/light suits the ability to be dedicated AV they left that to the heavies. Now mediums and lights with swarms are more about fighting vehicles on a particular objective than being map-wide. Heavies get an additional role (I think that brings it up to two now?) with the ability to go full AV, and mediums/lights can defend themselves.

Off to bed, let the flaming begin.

Failed to comprehend my post I see. The whole point of the post was that Heavy suits (you know those suits that are supposed to be able to go toe-to-toe with vehicles?) can take on a tank single-handedly. Also, by your logic lets take sniper rifles out of the game.

I'm telling infantry to HTFU.

heavy suits take tanks out "single handedly"? hahaha... thanks for the laugh. Made everything you said in your TL;DR post sound like a joke.

basically saying "I like the easy mode currently, so HTFU"

Lol someone who has no idea how to use a heavy or a forge gun, made everything you said invalid, thanks for the laugh.

I'm sorry, but unless the tanker is a complete pleb, there's NOWAY a heavy can solo a tank now.

Nobody understands or is accepting that you actually have to play smart to kill a tank.
When a sniper continuously kills your team do you just use the same fitting and go looking for wherever he could possibly be?
No. You grab a sniper rifle and counter him.
This game isn't rock paper scissors anymore.

Head over to the Rookie Training Grounds, find a really good forge gunner, ask for some tips, and come back after you have been in a proto tank that was on the receiving end of a fully proto maxed out assault forge. Those things hurt like hell and if the only thing you can counter with is that the tank can leave too fast then that would mean only one part of tanks is broken, not the whole thing.

If you're a tanker and you got solo'd by a FG that you can see, you're a noob. Get better

Nobody understands or is accepting that you actually have to play smart to kill a tank.
When a sniper continuously kills your team do you just use the same fitting and go looking for wherever he could possibly be?
No. You grab a sniper rifle and counter him.
This game isn't rock paper scissors anymore.

If you're a FG that a tank can see you're a noob. Get better.

I've taken out the best tankers in this game sir, I've seen them all since Chromosome 8v8 scrims. Noobs die in a heart beat, good tankers know their limits.

And yet you don't know that the best weapon a FG has is concealment? Either that or the trolling is strong with this one. Also, I don't think we've ever faced off, maybe we could arrange something?