I like how this post is suposed to be unbias yet only tankers are posting... As a swarmer range has been nerf to a pulp, tankers are moving too fast for us to get a lock on, damage is too low as well, as it takes me 4 proto shot to down a militia tank, we are talking proto vs militia here, it prove that when proto tanks come out, swarm will be totally inefective. My 2 cents, I know my comment will be drowned by the masses of "unbias" tankers populating these forums.

Even if we do, tank speed still seems a little to fast. *shrugs* I say that because am running away a lot.

its a very obvious typo actually. the militia fuel injector gives 100% speed boost. The proto version gives 30% so i am betting it should only be 10%.

I like how this post is suposed to be unbias yet only tankers are posting... As a swarmer range has been nerf to a pulp, tankers are moving too fast for us to get a lock on, damage is too low as well, as it takes me 4 proto shot to down a militia tank, we are talking proto vs militia here, it prove that when proto tanks come out, swarm will be totally inefective. My 2 cents, I know my comment will be drowned by the masses of "unbias" tankers populating these forums.

I think the tank speed is an indication that we'll be getting webs in 1.8.

I am a part time AV and you can keep the crazy speed of the HAV and all the modules the way they are as long as you provide a web version of every explosive grenade and mine. We need at least a light and heavy web grenade and at least two types of mines. I would suggest that one mine be wide area that deploys instantly like a NH and a smaller version that deploys like the RE. These four things would fix any speed problems we have and create more diversity in the game.

Some of the best things ever conceived was by accident and this bug could be one of them. I vote don't change anything and just add some counters to the screw up. The forums haven't been this positive in a while and I don't see why it's a bad thing or needs changing.

Standard Web Same range and stats as a standard flux but creates a 5m bubble with a 10% drop in speed for 7s where ever it lands.

Sleek Web Same range and stats as a sleek but creates a 3m bubble with a 10% drop in speed for 5s where ever it lands.

Packed Web Same range and stats as a packed but creates a 7m bubble with a 10% drop in speed for 7s where ever it lands.

Drop Web Works like a nanohive but has a 5 second deploy time and a 12m bubble dropping speed by 25%, the web would only last for one minute 30 seconds.

Remote Web Works like a RE with the bubble being activated whenever the merc wants. The bubble would not have a deploy timer. The 10m bubble would have a speed drop of 25% and only last for 25s.

Works on friend or foe and skills would change stats like deploy time, speed drop, lifespan and bubble area. Of course my numbers are me just me throwing things out so feel free to change what is needed. I don't think it is time to nerf anything, I think it is time to drop more skills and modules along with more suits and weapons. Lets use this opportunity to gain something.

Makes for good traps and adds another role that a scout can outperform other suits. Scouts are fast tackle and I wouldn't be opposed to having a tool that drains speed or something similar. A squad of scouts could hold and destroy a vehicle with teamwork. Two tackle scouts and four PC scouts would be hard on a vehicle.

I am afraid that anything more than 20-25% speed reduction would be too much if multiple webs were used. It has to be fair to everyone and kept fun. We need fun and content, badly.

No, but 2 cplx hardeners leave only a 14 second engagement window.

I like these ideas, the more ways to engage the better, it makes intel gathering worth it as appose to "look tank, switch to my AV Swarm fit, never heard of the guy, let's roll with a STD setup" it felt good to rebuild a flux swarm fit last night. I bought a few AUR PLCs to give them a try also.

I may run out of fitting room though if we get all new grenades and equipment, I've already reached my limit.

I would like to make this suggestion though. Though I do agree that I'm here to kill vehicles, not detour them. I was in a game the night before last one peaks where two tank took the high ground above C, one was a Rail, the socket was the one where the hack point was completely exposed from that vantage point. C was unhackable on our side but the team managed to deny it to the reds also. Manus peaks, 4 - 5 minutes into the game and C is still yellow 0.o.

Anyway I knew I wasn't going to kill these fools alone, but I swapped to AV anyway and suppressed them for half the game. When 3-1, dealt over 50k damage, was the reason we were able to capture that point, was sitting like 12th on the leader board. It was boring as **** , but needed to be done.

What would be a fair way to compensate me for that that would not be exploitable? If there is an argument to be made about infantry doing there job if they are causing tanks to disengage, then we should be compensated for it, because there are times when it is the strategically correct thing to do. Thoughts there?

Another thing you didn't touch on was price. I think tanks were too expensive before, but now they are ridiculously Cheap. So cheap that it really isn't worth going after. The thing I think tankers forget is that I didn't start the game in an AV fit, by going after them I am no longer supporting my team, hacking points, or shooting reds which is what I WANT to be doing. I would never consider driving all the way to a supply depot to change out fits for a single proto merc on the field. Knowing that I am removing upwards of 500k average ISK was worth it.

We had damage-based WP many moons ago but they were removed because of WP farming. Now, however, we have a global limiter that prevents mass-WP farming so it's definitely something I'd like to add back. If it's not possible to hot-fix in I'll poke the guys about getting in for 1.8. I think it's fair enough that you get rewarded for chasing off vehicles if not being able to outright destroy them.

That said, we hot-fixed the militia fuel injector last night. And right now we're testing increased recharge times on fuel injectors and slightly reduced speed on HAVs.

We had damage-based WP many moons ago but they were removed because of WP farming. Now, however, we have a global limiter that prevents mass-WP farming so it's definitely something I'd like to add back. If it's not possible to hot-fix in I'll poke the guys about getting in for 1.8. I think it's fair enough that you get rewarded for chasing off vehicles if not being able to outright destroy them.

That said, we hot-fixed the militia fuel injector last night. And right now we're testing increased recharge times on fuel injectors and slightly reduced speed on HAVs.

Any chance on buffing REs or converting the "bugged" militia injector into a micro warp drive?

No current plans to add microwarpdrives, no .

No current plans to add microwarpdrives, no .

I personally think swarms could use a new range system. Something along the lines of the closer you are the more effective your swarms are and the farther you are the less effective you're swarms are (Kind of like the regular weapon ranges). This would allow you to not have a hard cap on range but discourage longer range combat with swarms and maybe even give a bonus to people who fight closer to combat. It could be like when you're within 25-50 meters you get a large boost to projectile speeds while when you go further out the projectile speed and damage starts decreasing. I don't know this is just something I was thinking of earlier.

Any chance on buffing REs or converting the "bugged" militia injector into a micro warp drive?

No current plans to add microwarpdrives, no .

We had damage-based WP many moons ago but they were removed because of WP farming. Now, however, we have a global limiter that prevents mass-WP farming so it's definitely something I'd like to add back. If it's not possible to hot-fix in I'll poke the guys about getting in for 1.8. I think it's fair enough that you get rewarded for chasing off vehicles if not being able to outright destroy them.

That said, we hot-fixed the militia fuel injector last night. And right now we're testing increased recharge times on fuel injectors and slightly reduced speed on HAVs.

We had damage-based WP many moons ago but they were removed because of WP farming. Now, however, we have a global limiter that prevents mass-WP farming so it's definitely something I'd like to add back. If it's not possible to hot-fix in I'll poke the guys about getting in for 1.8. I think it's fair enough that you get rewarded for chasing off vehicles if not being able to outright destroy them.

That said, we hot-fixed the militia fuel injector last night. And right now we're testing increased recharge times on fuel injectors and slightly reduced speed on HAVs.

Hello.

So as usual with most of my longer posts, CCP I must state this is a general discussion not feedback nor any other board you feel necessary to place it in, while I would like you to read and take interest in the following ideas, I would like to start a discussion with the community, most of which spend their time in GD rather than feedback.

So onto the topic of my post, the balancing of AV and Vehicles. There's a problem and a rather large problem that presents itself currently, now before anyone QQs about me being an AV scrub crying about tanks, I am an experienced Tanker and many times I have been biased in the vehicle favour and despite loving this build (am loving it) there is a line in which must admit we're strong for what we are.

In this post I suggested we look at removing the speed of the Tanks, not just their nitrous injectors, but their overall movement speed, because it's unfair to those who wait around for their hardeners to drop, timing it correctly only to have the enemy speed away.

But I don't think this will be the end of balance, and I also don't think balance can be achieved with the current items in play. You see, if AVers and Tankers continue to ***** at one another and demand nerfs and buffs to their play styles, we're going to be in a never ending tug of war, personally it's not one I'm going to enjoy if we continue this, as many of you feel throughout these nerfs and buffs. Over time we've had godly tanks, then godly AV, then other random things and now we're here, Tanks are strong, AV isn't as strong but can still kill things though not very easily. Which while Tankers will claim it's only fair because teamwork makes tanks easy kills, so? Tanks using teamwork make for easy games full stop.

So what we actually need is more content, rather than fight over the same things as of old, we need new ways to kill each other. We've got a great platform right now, you cannot deny these things are a lot more challenging and fun to fight, especially if you're smart, but still (most of the time) offer a way to kill them through vulnerabilities in their actives.

So in list format, we need things like these:

• Speed Nerfs - Tanks run away too easily, it's ridiculous
• One Hardener on a fit - imo, though I do not speak the views of everyone, two-three hardener setups are ridiculous, and if we ever get advanced/proto tanks with these it's just going to be sad
• Webifiers - EVE Desc. These things would slow tanks down to a crawl, perhaps Grenade and Mine format, allow Infantry to trigger mines (or both, I'm not your mother)
• Webifier Counters - The ability to counter a webifier mine/grenade, by activating a module that sends out a wave removing the one that hit you, long cooldowns of course.
• EMP Weaponry - Weaponry that increases cooldowns, or removes the active on at the time, or just decreases the duration left on the vehicle
• EMP shielding - more sacrifices allowing you to be immune/less affected by EMP weapons

Honestly there's a lot more we can think of if we put our heads together offering viable attacks and counters to make it fair for both parties, it increases diversity and makes the game a lot more enjoyable for all.

And before people say "CCP needs to add all these graphics and effects for this to work", you don't. For webifiers, you need a funky sound effect, and maybe something showing the vehicle slowing down, but EMPs just need flux like animations.

Again, this platform is wonderful, it's more interesting and more of a laugh, numbers don't mean **** in tank battles any more either, just timing and tactics. If anything else should be added for tanks, it should be more viability to assist one another through the use of modules that buff/debuff other vehicles.

Thank you for reading, if you read this far, for the TL;DR just read the list and then say something about it, I'll answer you back asap, that is if anyone actually interested in reading this -¼_-¼

EDIT: IMPORTANT, NITROUS GLITCH IS FIXED.
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